Linux-Misc Digest #181, Volume #21 Tue, 27 Jul 99 07:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower (Phil Ward)
Backup a huge file accross floppies (Girish Kamath)
windows dll vs. linux libraries (YamYam)
help on gcc (jievis)
Re: Problem of Soundblaster pnp 16 with redhat 5.2 (YamYam)
drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's (YamYam)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: "who" problem - more information (Ilan Finci)
Re: Backup a huge file accross floppies (Juergen Pfann)
kppp timeout for normal users. ("Cameron Gregg")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 09:36:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"JDW" == "Jeffrey D. Webster" writes:
>
>JDW>
>JDW> Floyd Davidson wrote:
>JDW>
>
>JDW> > In what way was pppd pathetic compared to maimi deluxe?
>JDW>
>JDW> PPPD is pathetic compared to MiamiDx in many ways. For one,
>JDW> PPPD is JUST PPPD. MiamiDx is TCP/IP, Firewall, IP-NAT,
>JDW> inetd, several built-in services, all TCP/IP configs, AND
>JDW> PPPD, SLIP, CSLIP, ARP, RARP, DHCP, etc. It's like all of
>JDW> the TCP/IP from Linux, PLUS the various protocols. MiamiDx
>JDW> is like Winsock done the right way... the only way.
>JDW>
>
>Excellent comparison Jeffery. Well done. Yet again another troll
>makes a complete fool out of himself. Way to go Floyd! Have you got
>your big foot out of your mouth yet?
Your mouth seems to be full of shoes, and your ability to reason
apparently is therefore somewhat limited. That "excellent comparison"
didn't compare anything at all. It just described a very unacceptable
paradigm for program construction and said nothing at all about how
either program performs its task. But that last little clip tells
it all "the only way", is patently ridiculous when applied to that
particular method (not to mention that nothing was said about how
well it is or is not implemented).
>JDW>
>JDW> > It appears to me that you are blowing more smoke in the same
>JDW> > direction as those who claimed that MS-CHAP was being used by
>JDW> > "everyone", and was required by a whole list of ISP's (who all
>JDW> > used regular CHAP and are quite compatible with Linux).
It still appears to be a lot of blue smoke.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:13:50 +0200
Michael Powe schreef:
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> >> >> Basically, you give people the choice of working and being
> >> >> sneered at, or sitting at home and being sneered at. Gee,
> >> >> tough choice.
>
> ATZ> Is it a tough choice? I've been there. Just after graduation
> ATZ> I couldn't find a job. Therefore I accepted a job in a
> ATZ> factory, yes some people sneered at me but only until I
> ATZ> explained to them why I was working. I think that if someone
> ATZ> can provide a income for his or herself, he or she should.
>
> >> Ah gee, isn't that touching. You worked in a factory for a
> >> few months. So, that makes you some kind of expert on what
> >> it's like.
>
> ATZ> NO. On both questions, and it was more than a few months. And
> ATZ> I'm not complaining it was my own choice. I strongly believe
> ATZ> that if you can provide a income for yourself (and family)
> ATZ> you should do so.
>
> >> Get back to me after you've worked in one for 20 years. And
> >> who were all those people who sneered at you until you made
> >> excuses for why you were working there? Clearly, you and they
> >> both felt that being a factory worker was demeaning, something
> >> you only did temporarily until you could get a "real" job.
>
> ATZ> Wrong. Totaly taken out of perspective. The people who
> ATZ> sneered were just one or two steps above me. And it was a
> ATZ> real job, but not for someone with my education.
>
> Right, for "someone with your education" it was just a temporary
> thing.
Yes. So what's wrong with that.
> You seem to be incapable of realizing that had you not excused
> yourself by making clear that it was "just temporary," you would have
> been the object of ridicule.
Wrong, I explained to them I did that work because I didn't want to live
supported by the community.
> Too bad. I was a forklift operator for
> more than 20 years and I know what you don't -- that the bourgeois
> like yourself do not associate with forklift drivers.
How would you know who my friends are. I only look at how somebody is. I
know a few managing directors and a few people who are unemployed, and
many between those two. I like them just the way they are, they like me
for who I am, not for what I am.
I know that driving a forklift can be demanding, so why should I look down
at you, or any other forklift driver. To be honest, I've driven a forklift
too. And no, that don't make me an expert on forklift.
> ATZ> he or she has to do everything to get a real job. For people
> ATZ> who do not succeed in getting a job social security should
> ATZ> provide an income. Our government has the policy that those
> ATZ> people who don't want to find a job get less money from
> ATZ> social security. You can't compare the situation in countries
> ATZ> the way you do, some people would call it their culture and
> ATZ> you could really insult them with what you're saying.
> >> >> I'm sure I don't know to what this refers.
> >>
> ATZ> You wrote "In some societies, where resources are scarce,
> ATZ> people are abandoned todie when they no longer can provide
> ATZ> service to the community."
>
> >> That's right and it's true. And you advocate some such
> >> process.
>
> ATZ> Nope. Again taken out of perspective. see above.
>
> >> >> >> The answer to your question is: you're the "loser," a
> >> "man" >> >> whose morals are still those of that first creature
> >> to drop >> >> from the tree and walk upright on the ground. >>
> ATZ> Do you really want to insult me for my opinion?? And yes I
> ATZ> would be a loser if I was paying to much tax.
> >> >> There's more to life than money.
>
> ATZ> Yes. Stocks, bonds, options, falcons, car, big house, love
> ATZ> and last but most certainly not least sex.
> >> You seem to have muddled up the good and the irrelevant -- it
> >> seems you can't tell the difference.
>
> ATZ> Perhaps from your point of view. But when a country would act
> ATZ> the way you want it to it's soon going to be bankrupt.
>
> Well, I'd be all for a classless society, in which "all men are
> created equal" -- and all women, too. However, such a society is an
> object of terror to the bourgeois, whose lives are based on an
> obsessive comparison of their status above and "superiority" to those
> below them -- and they control the purse strings.
I see all people as equal. But such society is indeed terrorized by some
of the bourgeois and some of the (as you might want to call it) working
class. Because some of the "working class" are very happy to play the
underdog role they think they should have.
> mp
>
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From: Phil Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:10:32 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try this one:
gawk '{print tolower($0)}' lowerlist.txt > upperlist.txt
Phil
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From: Girish Kamath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Backup a huge file accross floppies
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:31:16 GMT
Hi Friends,
I want to backup a 5MB file on to floppies. Is there any utility
on Linux ( Iam using RedHat 5.2) whcih can help me.
Is there an utility ( like "pkzip.exe" on Dos) on Linux , which can help
to backup accross floppies.
Thanks in Advance.
Girish Kamath.
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From: YamYam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:31:18 GMT
I'm wondering if there is a difference between dll files and linux
libraries, since all of that are libraries. So are dlls less stable than
linux libraries "as I really hope", or not?
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From: jievis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: help on gcc
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:31:18 GMT
Hi, All:
When I try to compile a c files, I want gcc output a middle files in
which the expression is computed and enumeration is also computed, the
output files should be also .c format. So who can tell me the switcher?
Thanx in advance
Jievis
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From: YamYam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem of Soundblaster pnp 16 with redhat 5.2
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:31:18 GMT
Tsmanlyman wrote:
>
> I had the same problem. What you need to do is play with your
conf.modules and
> isapnp.conf -- a lot. Remember, conf.modules and isapbp.conf -must-
match. Good
> luck.
Thanx for ur reply, but as a novice in hacking of Linux, what is the
meaning of "play with your conf.modules and isapnp.conf -- a lot". Do I
have to write a script, or some commands or other else to fix the problem.
Finally what is the meaning of "error in opening /dev/audio".
Note!: I can play any music on Win95, which is installed with rh5.2 now.
- markhi1
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From: YamYam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's
Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:31:17 GMT
Hi...
I want to ask about the difference in mount/umount the drivers in
linux 'is it necessary, if so why?' and the easy one in Dos-like
OS's 'e.g., Win95, Win98, ...'.
I found it very complicated for the Dos-like users to switch to linux at
this point. Is there any suggessions to make easy for that user, such as
writing a script to mount/umount the floppy and cdrom?
- markhi1.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 Jul 1999 00:54:06 -0700, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Do you have any "cites" to the contrary? I offer in evidence,
> >> the amount of whining that goes on in newsgroups ... there are
> >> no poor people in evidence here, and yet there's plenty of
> >> whining about the `gummint' taking their money.
>
> MK> Shrug. Because it's true. It _is_ their money, and the
> MK> government _is_ taking it away. Whether the individual
> MK> mismanages his money or not is _his_ problem only; when
> MK> government mismanages money (and it is routine, try to look at
> MK> European economies), everybody looses. That's group
> MK> responsibility, something that civilized people frown upon.
>And you evade the point.
In what way?
>I have no respect for bourgeois whining about
>their tax bills.
Religious statement. Identyfying enemy ("bourgeoise" stereotype),
propose action (tax'em), enjoy their discomfort (whining about
taxes).
I have no respect to those _anybody_ somehow "should" be taxed by
government. I wish I had that quote from US judge who wrote in the
verdict why paying maximum taxes is not any patriotic duty, and why
there is no moral obligation whatsoever not to use legal means to cut
one's taxes.
>The only reason they do so is because they're too
>weak to live within their means -- then, when they overspend, they
>blame it on the gov't.
Which _still_ is their problem only. Regardless whether they take
good or bad care of their money, it's not justification for government
taking it away.
>The gov't then responds by increasing the tax
>burden on the lower classes, who don't vote and therefore pose little
>threat at the polls.
Last time I checked "lower" "classes" (what a stupid Marxist term this
"class" is) had a right to vote, didn't they.
> >> Currently, the US Congress is about to pass yet another tax
> >> package for the bourgeois, the "marriage penalty" tax break,
> >> the lying lizards are calling it. If you're not married,
> >> you're already at a tax disadvantage -- and now, that
> >> disadvantage will grow.
> MK> This was a ricochet in the battle between feminists and
> MK> conservatives -- feminists wanted to get a tax funded daycare,
> MK> so conservatives fired counter-torpedo of tax cut to prevent
> MK> the bill for daycare being handed to couples with
> MK> children. Unfortunately, singles have got a part of
> MK> blast. Well, that's what happens when the government becomes
> MK> "involved" in the economy.
>Wow! There's some nice "reinterpretation."
Shrug. Check facts. That's simply what happened.
>Apparently, you're one of
>those people who think businessmen will suddenly, miraculously "play
>nice" if there are no more regulations.
Apparently, you are talking nonsense. People play more or less
similarly, it's only about weapons they have available. If one gives
minimal regulations AND ensures they can't use direct violence,
the businesses have no option whatsoever but to speak to
another person's self interest.
If you think regulations are going to make companies play nicer,
you're dead wrong. You might check for example "paper satellites"
over Europe, satellites "existing" on paper only thanks to regulations
which various organizations then exploit. Law is another weapon. The
more of it is there, the more it tempts to use it.
>Hey -- it could happen.
>Monkeys might fly out my nose, too.
Looks like laws making miracles happen fly out of your nose, too.
> >> Who does Congress represent -- the poor? Yeah, I had to inject
> >> a little humour there. After the "Tax REform Act of 1986," my
> >> taxes went up -- and the taxes went way down for people making
> >> $10K per year more than I was making. Entirely predictable.
>
> MK> Or else those people will evade the taxes (take note of
> MK> proliferation of tax havens), or if they will be absolutely
> MK> unable to pay, they will pass most of their taxes onto
> MK> customers, Sherlock. That's what happens in Europe, check
> MK> practice if you don't believe theory. Purchasing power of
> MK> hour of work, etc.
>Right, the old "give businesses a bigger tax break or they'll raise
>their prices" blackmail.
It's not blackmail, naiviete, it's 5% annual operating profit
in most of businesses. From their POV the tax is _simply_ a cost:
money flows out of company. And what do you do with costs
in company, Sherlock?
>Funny, the tax burden on US business has
>dropped more than 50% in the last 30 years ... with no appreciable
>benefit to the consumer.
Judging how the rest of economies in the world manage in comparation
with US economy now, it is idiotic statement.
>How do you tell a businessman is lying? His lips are moving.
How do you recognize religious preacher wants to show his obsession to
be there, even at cost of making society suffer, aka high unemployment
and economies having problems all the time a la Europe?
Marcin Krol
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:26:16 +0200
Michael Powe schreef:
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> >>>>> "ATZ" == A T Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> ATZ> Larry schreef:
> >> On 26 Jul 1999 02:10:22 -0700, Michael Powe
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > > Michel> For the record I am not born in a rich family. My
> >> father > Michel> had 14 children and we were very very poor. I
> >> worked hard > Michel> to pay for my college and university
> >> education, I had no > Michel> one to help me. I worked on
> >> tobacco farms in the summer, > Michel> worked night shift
> >> cleaning up floors and doing other > Michel> creasy jobs during
> >> the winter and still managed to get > Michel> good grades and
> >> am now a successfull electronic engineer. > > Michel> So all
> >> that bullshit about the poors not being able to get > Michel>
> >> out of the shit I'm sure you know where I think you should >
> >> Michel> stick up to. > > >> This does not prove that you were
> >> anything but a lucky > >> exception. Hard work does NOT
> >> guarantee success -- if you're > >> an honest man, you admit
> >> that. Most people work hard ALL THEIR > >> LIVES and never get
> >> anywhere. That's the cold hard reality.
>
> >> Hard work does guarantee success, to those who view success as
> >> being something other than money. But it is easy to see that
> >> your view of success is dependant upon how much money you have.
>
> >> You sir are a loser in life. That is easily seen from your
> >> writing, and the way you constantly complain about other
> >> people's success.
>
> >> Loser, loser, loser.
>
> ATZ> This comes close to NA NA NA NANA.
>
> ATZ> Not sure if he is a loser, it can be he is a socialist or,
> ATZ> worse, a communist. You know everyone is equal. Like a Sovjet
> ATZ> president owning 30 Rolls Royces, and the "man on the street"
> ATZ> can bearly buy a Scoda. You see, communism works, at least,
> ATZ> for the president.
>
> Under capitalism, man exploits man.
> Under communism, it's just the opposite.
> -- J.K. Galbraith
>
> ATZ> The worst thing is, he believes what he is writing.
>
> No, the worst thing is that the selfish bourgeois, among the number of
> which unfortunately we must count you, are in complete control of the
> governments of the western world. Therefore, the poor and the weak
> will continue to be objects of abuse and ridicule. I won't be around
> to see that change. I believe that western civilization is
> fundamentally corrupt. In another 50 years, the US will no longer be
> a democracy. European nations are more problematic, as they have a
> more secure historical foundation (mostly), and less obsession with
> protecting individual irresponsibility. If the EU can resist the
> economic pressures of the US, the citizens there may yet come out on
> top.
>
Once again, you don't know me. And I think you wouldn't even want to know
me. Not because I'm unpleasent or selfish or whatever tag you want to put
on me.The poor and the weak will be abused as long as they wish to be
abused. Again, some people like to be in an underdog position they can't
see anything else. I know a few.
Within a year of 40/50 the US will be under EU supervision (like it was
before), because EU market and the Euro is much bigger and stronger then
the US market and the US $. Or the US and Europe stay completely
independent as they are know. I don't have the gift of the second sight,
so the future is open to any change that might happen.
> mp
>
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> Portland, Oregon USA http://www.trollope.org
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> Amount of all stock owned by the most wealthy 1% of America: 41%
> [Economic Policy Institute]
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From: Ilan Finci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "who" problem - more information
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:22:27 +0000
Hi,
Some more information I've found out about the problem:
when I login to one of the virtual consols, it does show up in the "who"
command.
it seems that only "tty?" logins are seen, but not "pts/?" ones.
any help?
Thanks,
Ilan
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From: Juergen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup a huge file accross floppies
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:08:49 +0200
Hello,
Girish Kamath wrote:
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> I want to backup a 5MB file on to floppies. Is there any utility
>
> on Linux ( Iam using RedHat 5.2) whcih can help me.
>
> Is there an utility ( like "pkzip.exe" on Dos) on Linux , which can help
>
> to backup accross floppies.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
>
> Girish Kamath.
Sure there is !
IMHO the simpliest solution is tar with the -M option (stands for
multiple media, I believe). Suppose the file to save is called
/tmp/file, then you could do "tar -cMv -f /dev/fd0 /tmp/file" -
and tar will immediately start writing to the disk (so it has to be
already inserted !), asking for the next media if one is full.
Unfortunately that doesn't work in combination with compression,
neither with tar's -z option nor with a pipe to gzip !
You would restore such a split file by inserting floppy #1 and
issuing "tar -xv -f /dev/fd0".
Look for more details in tar's man pages and "info" documentation !
Hope that helps
Juergen
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From: "Cameron Gregg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kppp timeout for normal users.
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:32:25 +1000
Hi,
I can connect to my isp using kppp as root, but cannot as a normal user.
I have SUID'd pppd & kppp, but I keep getting the error message:
Timeout whle waiting for ppp interface to come up.
This happens after dial, while logging onto network.
Any suggestions as how to fix this?
The funny thing is, I had it going for a user. Logged in today, nothing
changed, and it starts giving me these errors!
Help much appreciated.
Cameron
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