Linux-Misc Digest #181, Volume #24 Mon, 17 Apr 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: HOW to set dynamic library path in RH 6.1? (Hernan Gonzalez)
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Christopher
Browne)
Re: Wanted: driver for Apple LaserWriter IIg ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Hard Disk Upgrade Mini How-To: New Version (Michael Meissner)
Re: EIDE CD-RW kernel panic can't mount root (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: Upgrading a RH 6.0 to 6.2? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Eric Peterson")
Re: Can't tar (Carl Fink)
Re: multifile editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newbie - Help with Installing Star Office (Stuart Herd)
Re: bash prompt (Floyd Davidson)
Re: which flavour for a 486 (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Re: Upgrading a RH 6.0 to 6.2? ("David ..")
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From: Hernan Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HOW to set dynamic library path in RH 6.1?
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:09:45 -0300
See
/etc/ld.conf
and
'man ldconfig'
lu ming wrote:
>
> Hi every one,
> Is there a way to let program know where is the dynamic library path? I
> have a program require some dynamic library file, I do have this file,
> but the program also complain that it can't find it. Thanx very much for
> help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:26:23 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when David Steuber would say:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
>' > Fucking GOTO's all over the place.
>'
>' Have you looked at the source for the linux kernel?
>
>david@Interloper:> pwd
>/usr/src/linux
>david@Interloper:> find . -name '*.c' -exec grep ' goto ' {} \; | wc
> 580 2212 19404
>
>Color me surprised. Some of those are in comments, BTW. This is the
>2.2.14 kernel from kernel.org.
What you are failing to realize is that GOTO is not _inherently_ evil;
it is only evil when layered, like chunky peanut butter, into code.
GOTO is _perfectly_ acceptable to use when it diminishes the complexity
of code.
--
Would-be National Mottos:
Tibet: "It's all downhill from here!"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wanted: driver for Apple LaserWriter IIg
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:17:18 GMT
Pia Gronqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently installed RedHat 6.1. We adopted a printer, Apple LaserWriter
> IIg, but it doesn't seem to be supported by RH 6.1. Does anyone happen
> to have an idea how to get around to being able to use this printer with
> Linux?
According to
http://www.info.apple.com/info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf?cat=printer&RID=20
it is a Postscript printer and supports Ethernet, LocalTalk and serial
interfaces.
You may want to try to find a manual. Try http://www.info.apple.com.
I found it at
ftp://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/printers/0305701ALWIIFIIGOWNRSMAN.PDF
--
Shawn D'Alimonte - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Faster processors are nice, but they are not truly revolutionary. And
neither are colors." - Jim Collas, Amiga Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up
Date: 17 Apr 2000 03:48:30 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : > Where is intelligence being insulted? What are you on about? And people
> : > respond to challenge, not to being patronized!
>
> : Your learning style, being able to read and understand manuals, is
> : common to about 12% (NT) of the general population according to
> : Myers-Briggs. The three other learning styles are: learn by doing (SP),
> : learn by repetition (SJ), and learning through interaction with others (NF).
> : They compromise the other 88% of the general population. I suspect that
>
> Any person learns through a combination of all these styles. And more.
> You've left out learning by thinking: thought experiments, constant
> "what if's". You''ve also left out learning by experiment, which is
> subtly different from learning by doing, as it involves formulating
> questions and devising means to settle them.
>
> I mentioned that I learned by trying everything. That's doing.
> I was also looking for sources of info .. I read all the readable
> scripts as soon as I found how to find them. I read all the man pages
> when I found how to read them. I tried everything I could. The man
> pages are excellent but one doesn't read through them .. one greps, one
> hunts, one glances. For one thing, looking at their names tells you
> what someone thought worth documenting! Looking at their organization
> tells you what the major abstract system modes are. And so on ...
> this is just "research". The kind of research a person does when
> buying a new fridge. Nothing more.
>
> : the general programming population is skewed slightly toward NT. But not
> : completely.
>
> What do these initials mean? NT? Natural Talent? NonTactile? SJ has
> me particularly puzzled! What could a J mean! I suspect these aren't
> english words, but they have to be if they are scientific terms at all.
>
The initials stand for behavioral preferences according to Meyers-Briggs
(a mother/daughter team of psychologists). Their findings are used widely
in team training (this includes programmer teams). I used to think that
psychology was B.S. until I learned a bit about it. Very useful stuff when
dealing with people:
ltr description example: "Have a nice day!" means:
-- ------------------- ---------------------------------------
NT - intuitive thinker Have an interesting day.
NF - intuitive feeling Have an inspiring day.
SJ - sensible judgmental Have a productive day.
SP - semsible perceptive Have a fun day.
Yes we all have these traits. But we also have preferences for which
behavior we choose as individuals. This makes us quite different.
These preferences don't begin to describe the full richness of a person.
But they are quite useful in understanding and dealing with other people.
For example, have you ever observed two people arguing some point
(violently), and not even realize they were on the same side? I have,
it's the typical N-S (intuitive vs. sensible) communication barrier.
The team training I received changed my life (for the better I'm told).
At any rate it gives you a feeling for how absolutely differently people
perceive and interact with the world around them. A good book on the
subject is "Please Understand Me", I have lent my copy out and don't
have the ISBN handy.
I am an NT, extreme NT actually. It took me a while to appreciate where
other folks were coming from. And not to overload them with intellect or
judge them for lack thereof (yes I have a genius IQ, Mensa and all that,
but that doesn't mean squat if it isn't used effectively, and effectively
in organizations usually involves getting along *well* with others, and
not expecting them to be like you).
We each have a gift. The secret to a plesant and productive existence is
to use our gift wisely, and appreciate others for theirs.
So what does this have to do with haranging newbies to get them to RTFM?
Just remember that not everyone has your gift for intellect. They can't
"get it" as easily as you. Does this make them any less valuable as
people? Not hardly. While an insult might challenge you to prove the
SOB wrong, it can devastate others. There are shy and sensitive folks
around you know. A little appreciation of that just might win Linux,
open source, and you a friend. It might also get us some great doc
writers. NT's typically don't like to document. They would rather move
on once they understand something, let others "clean up". Some people
really like to tidy up (SJ).
I have drifted pretty far afield from Linux (comp.os.linux.misc).
Have a good life ...
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Hard Disk Upgrade Mini How-To: New Version
From: Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Apr 2000 23:50:29 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown) writes:
> What does cpio do that tar does not? I've always used tar because cpio
> seemed to leave out too many obvious choices that were tar defaults. I
> realize tar has limitations, such as path-name length, userid maximum, etc,
> but I assumed that cpio probably had similar limits.
Cpio can dump things like the directory entry but not all of the files in the
directory (in tar if you mention a directory, it dumps everything in the
directory). Cpio can dump out longer pathnames than tar. GNU cpio has an
option for doing a checksum on the files. However, with cpio, you have to use
find to get the file names to dump, while with tar you put it on the command
line by default.
--
Michael Meissner, Cygnus Solutions, a Red Hat company.
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA
Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +1 978-486-9304
Non-work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +1 978-692-4482
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,com.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: EIDE CD-RW kernel panic can't mount root
Date: 17 Apr 2000 03:53:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan Schaumann allegedly wrote:
>Eugene wrote:
>>
>> You probably disabled IDE HD support when you compiled the kernel. That is
>> not a good idea ;-)
>>
>
>Yeah, okay, okay - not so smart...
>
>Now I recompiled and seem to have done everything correctly. it boots
>nicely and recognizes the cd-rw and all. However, when it comes to
>"finding module dependencies" it hangs. I have to interrupt with Ctrl-C.
>It continues to boot and all systems function normally. Only, I lost
>sound.
>I have the cd-rw as a slave to my normal cd-rom, which is connected to
>the soundcard.
>
>Any further hints?
Yeah, take the darn thing off your soundcard. Attach it as a slave to
your HD, performance gains will follow....Also, about the module dependencies
are there any error messages?
--
"The UNIX philosophy is to provide some scraps of metal and an enormous
roll of duct tape. With those -- and possibly some scraps of your own
-- you can conquer the world." -- G. Sumner Hayes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Upgrading a RH 6.0 to 6.2?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:54:08 GMT
On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:20:23 GMT, Mike Strock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Newbie question here. Is it possible to upgrade a RH 6.0 install (that is
>working perfectly) to a RH 6.2 version without having to do a re-install and
>reconfigure?
What you want is the 'upgrade' option. If not careful, you can wind up
doing a reinstall that hoses your existing partitions. But upgrading
safely is definitely an option. Some config files get replaced. The old
ones should be saved as *.rpmsave (or is it rpmorig?).
>Are there a group of RPMs I can download to do the upgrade, or do I
>have to download the ISO image of 6.2, burn it onto CD and then do an
>upgrade install that way?
There are any number of ways to do this. They are probably on redhat's
website somewhere.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
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From: "Eric Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:58:32 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KVsK4.2459$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hank Shiffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > Eric Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:HxrJ4.2775$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > The aforementioned mouse.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, but I saw a similar mouse advertised in the late 80s.
> > > > It failed because it was too expensive, but MS did NOT innovate it.
> > >
> > > Interesting. Nobody else in the universe except for you has seen this
> > > mythical mouse. You have no names and no way to prove your
statements.
> > > Name the mouse and manufacturer or retract your statement.
> >
> > Nonsense. I too remember articles about this mouse, although it may
> > have appeared in the very early 90s. I was at Sun from 1988 and using a
> > more traditional optical mouse at the time. So your statement about
> > "nobody else in the universe" is now demonstrably false.
>
> Demonstrably? Simply because multiple people claim to vaguely remember
> something that they can not name or produce any proof of?
>
> There are thousands of people that claim to have been abducted by aliens
as
> well. Does that make it demonstrably true?
>
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Alien abduction is
considered an extraordinary claim and so requires more proof than several
people's say-so.
The existence of a particular type of mouse during a particular time frame
is not an extraordinary claim, though you may believe otherwise. Hence, I
consider several people saying "I remember seeing that" as perfectly
adequate evidence. Still, the word "demonstrably" might be a little strong.
Eric F. Peterson
Politically Incorrect and Proud!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Can't tar
Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:50:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Apr 2000 16:45:15 GMT Bastian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hmm, I'd prefer spending ten minutes on reading an inadequate manpage to
>buying a *good* Linux book (which certainly takes a huge time to read and
>a huge amount of money).
I haven't read all the way through any Linux books, but the section
on tar is actually usable, unlike . . .
> . . . Anyways, the "inadequate" manpage is sufficient to squeeze
>some minimal info out of it: the original question was how to untar
>a simple archive, which is covered by the document.
No, it isn't. At best the man page is a useful memory jogger if one
*already* knows how to use tar.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: multifile editor
Date: 17 Apr 2000 04:11:04 GMT
Charles Esson wrote:
>
> I know I should be using "vi" "find" and "grep".
>
> I would however like an editor that.
>
> 1) displays the line number.
> 2) allows me to search all file in the directory and sub directory with
> a couple of clicks and a sting entry.
> 3) allow me to have multiple windows open.
>
> Can anyone suggest a nice simple to use option for a ex Visual C++
> editor user.
Perhaps you should learn to use "vi", or more precisely "vim".
1) :set nu
2) ^Wn:r!grep -n match_string *.c
3) gvim -o *.c
Also, try to filter the next 21 lines in a C program using perl
while you are editing it with Visual C++:
:.,+20!perl -ne 'print uc($_'
vi is difficult to start using. It not intuitive until you fingers
learn. And it can be a pain. But it will reward you enormously
with pure, unadulterated power if you persist ...
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From: Stuart Herd <crashed#@#firstlinux.net>
Reply-To: The, Newsgroup
Subject: Re: Newbie - Help with Installing Star Office
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:13:31 GMT
try tar -xvf /mountpointofcdrom/pathoftarfile
Robert Kendall wrote:
> I'm having some difficulty and would appreciate some advice with
> installation of Star Office. Here is some info and what I've tried so far:
>
> System:
>
> PII 450
> 128mb ram
>
> Dual-boot using Partition Magic:
>
> Windows 98
> Linux 6.0
>
> StarOffice for Linux is on a CD that came with the Star Office for Linux
> Bible by IDG books. The CD contains several utilities as .tar files.
> I have viewed the files using windows on my e:/ drive and among others they
> include:
>
> e:/Internet/communicator-47-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar
>
> I boot to Linux and open xterm and then from root I mount the CD Rom.
>
> The install instructions in the book says to:
>
> Open another terminal window and unpack the files with the command: tar xvf
> access_path_and_name_of_the_archive
>
> I tried this from the root prompt but perhaps I'm not getting the string
> correct after "xvf"
>
> Somehow, I'm just not getting to the files on the cdrom. Any and all
> suggesstions will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bash prompt
Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:41:15 -0800
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Arlan" == Arlan Lucas de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > Arlan> Hi What should I do to change my PS1 variable in a xterm
>> > Arlan> window?
>> >
>> > Arlan> According the Bash-Prompt-HOWTO, PS1 string should be set
>> > Arlan> in .bashrc. It's dont work to me. I try also in
>> > Arlan> .bash_profile and .xinitrc. However, if I start another
>> > Arlan> shell session from a xterm window the prompt is set
>> > Arlan> correctly to this second shell session.
>> >
>> >Yes, typically all your environmental stuff should go into ~/.bashrc,
>> >which is invoked in ~/.bash_profile. The xterm must be started with
>> >the -ls option, which makes it a login shell. Otherwise, it won't
>> >read the login files. It sounds like the first one is not a login
>> >xterm, but the second one is.
>>
>> You might want to invoke xterm with the -ls option for other
>> reasons, but it is not necessary in order to cause ~/.bashrc
>> to be sourced by bash started by an xterm.
>>
>> Bash sources the ~/.bashrc file all non-login interactive
>> shells. For non-interactive shells the BASH_ENV variable (or
>> ENV for older versions of bash) points to a file to be sourced.
>> Login shells source /etc/profile and then the first of
>> ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile that is found.
>
>> Hence, to cause ~/.bashrc to be sourced by a login shell it is
>> necessary to put that into ~/.bash_profile (or which ever file
>> is used if not that one). It is also convenient to set ENV and
>> BASH_ENV at the same time, so that non-interactive subshells
>> also source ~/.bashrc. Typically almost the only things
>> required to be in a ~/.bash_profile are PATH (and MANPATH etc.)
>> plus,
>>
>> export BASH_ENV=~/.bashrc
>> export ENV=~/.bashrc
>> . ~/.bashrc
>
>you are correct. you must source .bashrc in .bash_profile for
>it to run in the login shell. however i feel that .bashrc
>should contain interaction specific commands. therefore, make
>BASH_ENV point to a different file, e.g., .bashenv. then you
>can alias stuff like ls in .bashrc without having all your
>scripts suddenly break.
There are several ways to approach setting up a user's
environment, and certainly the one you advocate is a very
reasonable one.
I'd rather keep it all in one file, hence what I commonly do is
use the full path name in scripts, thus avoiding the accidental
use of aliases. That seems to be a fairly common method, and is
also commonly done like this:
LS=/bin/ls
...
${LS}
There is an added advantage of also avoiding confusion between
local versions (binaries in /usr/local/bin for example) and
distribution versions (binaries in /bin for example). It no
longer depends on the exact PATH variable.
>> The various PATH variables should be set only in login shells
>> because then constructs like PATH=~/bin:$PATH can be used
>> without adding another "~/bin:" to the PATH for each depth of
>> subshell execution.
>
>yes. i set every environment variable in .bash_profile. PS1
>is not (necessarily) an environment variable. i would set PS1
>in .bash_profile, but it gets clobbered -- see below.
PS1 is a shell variable, not an environment variable.
>> However, while not necessary, it would not be wrong to set
>> environment variables and define functions in ~/.bash_profile
>> because they will be passed to all subshells. Usually they are
>> just put into ~/.bashrc and redefined for every subshell.
>>
>> Aliases must be defined in ~/.bashrc, as they are not
>> automatically passed to subshells. Since that is true of
>> aliases, most people put functions and variables into
>> ~/.bashrc also just to have everything in one file for
>> easy editing.
>
>also PS1 gets clobbered by non-interactive shells. notice that
>startx is a non-interactive shell invocation. thus children of
>X do not inherit PS1. this is why i advocate setting PS1 in
>.bashrc. it is, after all, a purely interactive setting.
It is also clobbered by su, which is possibly even more of a
problem than startx.
The significant point here is that there are more ways than one
to arrange the initialization files for bash. The differences can
be more complex than most new or even just casual users want to
deal with, but systems administrators who set up shell
environments for other users should be familiar with all of the
potential differences in order to best suit the needs of any
given user.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Subject: Re: which flavour for a 486
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:32:30 GMT
In article <8cuupi$ndt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> This message has been posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave
>Ewart)
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:13:47 -0500, Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Peet Grobler wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the Caldera Openlinux CD... Installed fine on my 486, though a bit
>>> slow (but what would you expect?)
>>> It actually supports 386 as well. (Don't go there - I did. Too damn slow)
>>>
>>> see www.calderasystems.com
>>>
>>> Dafydd Prichard wrote in message ...
>>> >I want to try out Linux on an old 486 (I 'normally' use Mac OS and a little
>>> >Windows). I've tried both Corel and Mandrake and neither will install from
>>> >the CDs I have as they don't appear to support 486s'. Is Slack the answer?
>>> >Will I have any difficulty buying/downloading a compatible version? Pls
>>> >advise many thanks
>>> >>Daf
>>> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>There are some people out there with Linux distros based on the 2.0.x series
>>kernel, which would be packaged with software from the same era as 486's. For
>>example, I have a copy of RedHat 5.2, but I won't part with it yet. You may be
>>able to download the whole thing, or buy a CD from some vendors still. I'm
>>pretty sure you could get it piecemeal from www.rufus.w3.org .
>
> I agree with your statement about RH 5.2 - it works really nice on a 486,
> although I do have 32MB RAM in the box. You can really improve things if
> you (a) don't install X and (b) compile a custom kernel after everything
> basically works. Be warned that compiling a kernel on a 486 can take
> several hours, but it is worth it in the long run ...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
Redhat 4.x works really good on 486's. I ran it for quite some time on my
old 16 meg system, even with Xwindows, in 16 megs & *LOTS* of swap.
I'm assuming the 6.0 version works good on it too, since it's still
packaged as 'i386.rpm' rather than i586 & up.
Yes, it'll be slower than your mother in law with compiles, but if you
have a Pentium-class machine handy, and the files are small, run make
config in your /usr/src/linux directory and tell it you want everything
compiled to be compatible with a 486. Then either shoot it over the
network card (if you've networked the two machines) or sneakernet it on a
floppy.
Keven
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading a RH 6.0 to 6.2?
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:30:42 -0500
Mike Strock wrote:
>
> Newbie question here. Is it possible to upgrade a RH 6.0 install (that is
> working perfectly) to a RH 6.2 version without having to do a re-install and
> reconfigure? Are there a group of RPMs I can download to do the upgrade, or do
> I have to download the ISO image of 6.2, burn it onto CD and then do an upgrade
> install that way?
>
> Email replies appreciated.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mike Strock
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I found that many of the mirror sites I use don't have all the files
that you need for 6.2 and without them it will not be friendly to say
the least. The first time I tried to upgrade it formatted my partitions
and then installed the packages and then crashed!! Had to do a clean
install after that. I ended up having to get the download directly from
RedHat. Hope this saves a headache. ;o)
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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