Linux-Misc Digest #186, Volume #21 Tue, 27 Jul 99 16:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux backups & available drivers (Leonard Evens)
Re: Inheritance vs. Evolution? [Re: Marx vs. Nozick] ("robert")
Where can I get Xlib.h? (John Calla)
How do you add pseudo tty's (Bill Cripe)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Bones)
Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower (Leonard Evens)
Re: MP3 Tag Editor (Stewart Honsberger)
Whither goest the Korn shell??? (Joseph Crowe)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower (Kenny McCormack)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Black Hand")
digital microscope camera (Matthew Fleming)
Re: Numbering Xterms? (Warren Bell)
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux backups & available drivers
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:04:30 -0500
JEFF PFOHL wrote:
>
> I've recently purchased 2 machines on which I'vve installed Red Hat
> Linux 5.2. One is a HP Vectra VL Pentium 2 with 64MB. It is an IDE
> machine. The other is a Dell Workstation 410 Pentium 2 with 512MB. It
> must be SCSI. (work requires that an office space with 2 computers
> have one IDE and one SCSI so all the media are incompatible [don't
> ask]).
>
> I'm looking for ways to do backups on each machine (hard drives are 4
> to 9 GB each). I am used to using 8mm tapes with a tar -cv command. So
> I'm thinking of using an 8mm on the HP IDE machine and a 4mm on the
> Dell SCSI machine. They must be incompatible so data cannot be
> transferred between machines.
>
> So my question is, is this possible?? Does someone make the
> appropriate hardware/drivers which will allow me to pull this off?? If
> so who? Do you have an alternate suggestion?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS I do have ONE old Sun 8mm tape drive. Model #411 but am led to
> believe that this is incompatible with the PC platform.
>
> --
> JEFF PFOHL
> E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> PHONE : (505) 844-7033 work
> (505) 299-9516 home
> (505) 844-6729 fax
> http://nucalf.physics.fsu.edu/pfohl
>
> "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people:
> Those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to
> try to be in the first group; there was much less competition."
>
> - Indira Ghandi, the late Prime Minister of India
It is not clear what you want to do. If you are going to use two
separate tape drives, one on each machine, everything you need
is probably already there, depending on what drives you choose.
I think it may be possible to use a Sun tape drive (which is
certainly going to be a SCSI drive) as an external drive on your Dell
with a judicious choice of cables.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Inheritance vs. Evolution? [Re: Marx vs. Nozick]
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:56:52 +0100
Peter,
I agree with most of what you said.
But the point of the mail was to say, that the rules that apply to the
evolution of proteins are (almost) irrelevant for the evolution of
species. The factors are different. That's why the opposite applies:
the criteria of the evolution of organisms determine the evolution of
proteins. The tide has turned. Similarly, we observe that the gene
pool is irrelevant to the growth of the species of humans. Whatever
humans do, it affects the evolution of all species (i.e. plants,
animals (and humans;-)) in more than just the usual ecologic way:
because the relationship between the human species and other species
is more universal -- when the rabbits die, human don't die!--they
catch the last two rabbit and start breeding them under supervision so
that they themselves can continue to grow (or they start feeding
themselves made from flour of dried fish or whatever).
You may find something similar on the level of proteins, but the point
is, that it only works once the proteins are not merely proteins
anymore, but proteins in a very special environment: cells are
different from proteins. Organisms are different from Microorganisms.
Etc.
regards,
Robert.
Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, robert
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Richard Kulisz wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <7n72vt$q3g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> > >The discussions on whethe humans are animals or not reminds me
of the
>> > >general question of inheritance:
>
>Interesting observation because that is exactly where the proof is
that
>humans are indeed animals. It is the inheritance and shuffling of
>genetic code and mutations of that code that lead to other species.
(
>;-)
>
>
>> >
>> > In what sense?
>>
>> Well, in the sense that what we observe is, IMO, the problem of
>> composing complex classes from elementary classes, where the
complex
>
>In life forms this is most true. As we all know, the DNA carries the
code
>that makes all proteins. Proteins are well known for having domaian
>structures which as I see it is your "elementary class". Over time
>through random events, these domains get suffled around, possible
>duplicated many times or even become somewhat different thru
mutations and
>new proteins with similar but different function gets made. If the
>"alteration" is benificial in someway ( the actual way is hard to
>characterize because I am not god :-) and the actually selectable
trait
>may be quite subtle) then it is carried on and new proteins which
define a
>new creature gets created. So I think you are quite correct in your
>asssertion with reagd to the building blocks of life, proteins.
Also, it
>is believed that there are about 1000 different domains that are used
by
>all proteins from bacteria to humans. I seems that when something
works
>then nature gets creative and uses it a thousand different ways,
maybe
>more.
>
>> class 'behaves' completely differently from the sum of the
functions of
>> it's members. And more than that, some of the characteristics of
the
>> elementary classes get 'lost', i.e. are not applicable anymore. I
mean,
>> they are still applicable, as long as the elementary classes can be
>> accessed individually (out of context). But how do we describe the
rules
>> that conditionally switch old functions off and new functions on?
>
>With regards to the proteins that make up all life, then you must
learn
>what each particular domain structure is and learn how that
attributes to
>its function. Domains in a protein are lost over time because they
are
>not important to the function so they will get hit with mutations
that
>mask them till they are totally lost. For example, transcription
factors
>that turn on a gene often have several helical loops at specific
angles.
>These helical loops act to bind to the DNA in the major and minor
groove
>(think of DNA as a rope with two twines). So if you find a protein
with
>these helical loops, you should be able to predict that this might be
a
>transcription factor and then go about designing experiments to
actually
>prove it. Since helical loops can be formed many different ways
subtle
>differences would lead it to bind to different DNA sequences. So
>determining which sequence is currently beyond scientific ability.
In the
>future that could change. NMR and Visulazation have become very
>beneficial to the Molecular biologist and the true potential of this
work
>is just in its infancy.
>
>
>> Should it be possible to derive those rules from either a) the
>> characteristics of the elementary classes (in which case they would
have
>> to be extended and would carry a lot of useless information,
useless for
>> the elementary, individual existence) or b) from a different source
of
>> information, a modifier class, that describes, so to speak, the
group
>> psychology aspects of the elementary classes when they combine in a
>> complex class etc.etc.etc. -- is this too farfetched?
>
>Combinations is wildly effective way at generating diversity so one
would
>have to know how the elementary classes function and you can bet you
last
>dollar that the way they are joined (the domains)that I invision as
your
>"modifier" can greatly influence the function of the protein.
>> regards,
>> r.
>
>regards,
>
>--
>Peter
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
>" Some of you might not agree
>'Cause you probably likes a lot of misery
>But think a while and you will see...
>Broken hearts are for assholes"
> FZ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Calla)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Where can I get Xlib.h?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:02:37 GMT
I'm using RedHat Linux 5.2 and I'm getting a bit frustrated when it
comes to installing apps. Some people only release the source and so
I have to compile it myself, and this is where the problem arises. I
often get an error when running "make": can't find X11/Xlib.h.
I assume Xlib.h is one of probably many library files that programmers
use to write X apps. I've searched my system -- I don't have it. So
where can I get it? And is it part of a huge 50-meg package that I
have to install? Was it supposed to come with X11R6?
I've found that even if I want to compile a 10k program like xroach, I
have to go searching around for the necessary libraries and install
them first. (And sometimes those libraries require other libraries,
etc...)
I'm a bit new to Linux so go easy on me... :)
Thanks,
John
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From: billc@lhuabs (Bill Cripe)
Subject: How do you add pseudo tty's
Date: 27 Jul 99 18:32:14 GMT
My machine currently has ttyp1 - ttyp47 in /dev. I'd like to have at
least 100 pseudo tty's for some software that I'm testing. I've found
various information about pseudo tty's, but I can't quite get the idea
of what's the usual way of creating a bunch more of them. I suspect
that there's an easy way to do this, but I just can't seem to discover
it. Thanks in advance for the help.
Bill Cripe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bones)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:08:04 GMT
>On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:02:44 -0700, Javier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So you had to quote the entire fucking message to add that useless
>comment of yours?!?!??
Er... It's probably not a good idea to include all the previous posts
of the thread in your message when attacking another poster for
including all the previous posts of the thread in his/her message.
----
Bones
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:25:29 -0500
"Christopher B. Browne" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:05:34 -0400, Christopher R. Carlen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> >I have a zipped bunch of files downloaded from a software vendor. All
> >the files have UPPERCASE names. But the program that reads them only
> >accepts lowercase names. Thus, I must either rename them all by hand,
> >one at a time (impossible), or get some command or small script to do
> >it.
> >
> >Since I am not anymore a programmer, I think some script guru can
> >provide the needed lines in minutes, where I would require hours to cook
> >them up.
> >
> >Anybody got the answer?
>
> Take the file, let's say, UPPERLIST.txt.
>
> Run the command:
>
> tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' < UPPERLIST.txt > lowerlist.txt
>
> Voila.
> --
> When I shop for hardware I always look for the "Designed for Windows 95" logo.
> I really thank MICROS~1(TM) for encouraging manufacturers to label their
> products this way, so I know what to AVOID.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/unix.html>
tr works on the contents of a file. So the above would give a list
of file names with lower case names. I don't think this is what
was originally asked for.
One could do it in Perl something like the following. First use
ls and redirection to create the file of uppercase filenames
UPPERLIST.txt, with one file name per line. I am sure one could
create such a file by judicious use of regular expressions, but it
might be easier to use something like
ls > aaa
sort < aaa > UPPERLIST.txt
and then edit UPPERLIST.txt to delete any lower case filenames
from the file. Then one could use something like the following
Perl script. I tested this, but I don't claim I copied it
correctly or that it will work in
all circumstances or even that it won't create a disaster.
#!/usr/bin/perl
open IN, "UPPERLIST.txt";
while ($uppername = <IN>) {
chomp $uppername;
$lowername = lc $uppername;
rename "$uppername", "$lowername";
}
If this file is called say make_change, then one would
do
chmod +x make_change
and then
make_change
If one left out the open statement and replaced <IN> by
<>, then one could use redirection as in
make_change < UPPERLIST.txt
But there is probably a more direct way to do it without having
to create the listing file.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: MP3 Tag Editor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:52:18 GMT
On 25 Jul 1999 16:17:17 GMT, Patrick M. Geahan wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a good MP3 tag editor for Linux? I've got some MP3's
>that don't have tagged titles, that I'd like to have some. I'd much
>prefer if it was command-line or X11 based, and that I wouldn't have to
>install gtk or KDE or any of that fun stuff. However, I'll take any
>reocmmendations. Thanks.
Have you checked LinuxBerg? There are a few console as well as X11 tag editors
there. There are, of course, also MP3 players that can edit tags. (XMMS is
one - http://www.xmms.org).
http://www.linuxberg.com and browse through their listings.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: Joseph Crowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Whither goest the Korn shell???
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:53:43 -0500
Hi Folks,
In Redhat Linux 5.2, the Korn shell was available. In 6.0 it seems to
have vanished. Anybody know why and whether it's available elsewhere???
Joseph Crowe
http://www.io.com/~jcrowe
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:53:36 -0700
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:03:31 GMT, Jeffrey D. Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson wrote:
>
>> Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Oh yeah, i've tried PPPD on a linux machine and frankly it is
>> >PATHETIC compared to miami Deluxe. The question is that have you
>> >tried Miami Deluxe on an Amiga? I seriously doubt it, otherwish you
>> >would not continue to make a fool out of yourslelf!
>>
>> In what way was pppd pathetic compared to maimi deluxe?
>
> PPPD is pathetic compared to MiamiDx in many ways. For one, PPPD is
>JUST PPPD. MiamiDx is TCP/IP, Firewall, IP-NAT, inetd, several built-in
All this tells us that Amigans like to throw lots of only
marginally related things together. That doesn't actually
support the notion that there aren't things that pppd does
that Miami does not.
[deletia]
--
It helps the car, in terms of end user complexity and engineering,
that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
Seeking sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Subject: Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower
Date: 27 Jul 1999 14:53:50 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Phil Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Try this one:
>
>gawk '{print tolower($0)}' lowerlist.txt > upperlist.txt
Even better:
gawk '{print "mv -i",$0,tolower($0)}' lowerlist.txt > upperlist.txt
source upperlist.txt
Note how nicely the -i option to mv takes care of the "file already exists"
case. Note also that if you are using a sh-ish shell as your login shell,
you would replace the line:
source upperlist.txt
with:
. ./upperlist.txt
Notice how much nicer this is than all the ugly, complicated Perl
solutions (which are really posted as advertisements for learning Perl,
since a user really ought not run code downloaded from the net w/o
understanding what it does (at at least some minimal level)). See, the
real issue here is "How often do I have to do this? Is it a one-time
deal [the most common instance]?" Most of the time, the user is looking for
a one-shot solution (which the above is) and we write, debug, and post for
them fully optimized, production level code.
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From: "Black Hand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 09:11:42 GMT
on "26 Jul 1999 09:54:53 GMT", "Floyd Davidson" wrote:
>.....It appears to me that you are blowing more smoke in the same
>direction as those who claimed that MS-CHAP was being used by
>"everyone", and was required by a whole list of ISP's (who all used
>regular CHAP and are quite compatible with Linux).
and compatible with FreeBSD TCP stack, with the Miami and AmiTCP
Amiga TCP Stacks, the QNX stack, and the WinXX Stack. what is the
point then?
how you can measure the eficience of a tcp stack in the diverse OS
existing? size? overall speed? the compatibility is not a point, the
point is eficience....
is Linux TCP stack better than FreeBSD or QNX? is Miami (And DX)
inefficient?
--
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Black Hand/Amiga Addicts
Amiga1200/Apollo1240@28Mhz/18Mb/Hitachi1.4Gb/33.6USRobotics/no CDROM :(
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_
la belleza de lo Sencillo /||\/||| |\
El poder de la Creatividad / || |||_|| \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Fleming)
Subject: digital microscope camera
Date: 27 Jul 1999 18:49:55 GMT
Folks,
I am looking for a digital microscope camera and would like some
recommendations. Resolution does not have to be stratospheric, 1K x 1K
should do. But I would like something that would work under Linux if
at all possible. Apparently there are Linux drivers for the Polaroid
DMC (they work under sane, the Linux scanner interface) but I don't
know anything about them. There is also a collection of digital camera
drivers for Linux called gphoto, but its unclear that they work with
any microscope cameras.
Please reply to my e-mail. Thanks in advance for the info,
Matthew Fleming
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Matthew G. Fleming, MD phone : 414.456.4072
Associate Professor fax : 414.456.6518
Department of Dermatology s-mail: Dept. of Dermatology
Medical College of Wisconsin Medical College of Wisconsin
MFRC Room 4061
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milwaukee, WI 53226-4810
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:02:10 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Numbering Xterms?
Excellent and simple! Thanks!
I modified it a little to show the user. I don't know much about it so
I don't even know if it's valid code, but it works:
if [ $TERM = 'xterm' ]; then
export PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]2;"`whoami` [`basename
\`tty\`]`"\007"'
fi
If anyone knows how to stript the 'ttyp' out of there it would be
perfect. But it works pretty good now. Thanks.
> came up with this idea for my .bashrc (which works rather nicely):
>
> if [ "$TERM" = "xterm" ]; then
> echo -ne \\033]2\;xterm: `basename \`tty\``\\a
> echo -ne \\033]1\;xterm: `basename \`tty\``\\a
> fi
>
> -- Michael "Soruk" McConnell [Red Hat 6.0 Available!]
> Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amush.cx/linux/ Fax: +44-8701-600807
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