Linux-Misc Digest #190, Volume #21 Tue, 27 Jul 99 23:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Which frigging version????? (Michel Catudal)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michel Catudal)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michel Catudal)
Re: math.h problem (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: latest netscape (Michel Catudal)
Re: Cylinder number problem!? (Michel Catudal)
Re: math.h problem ("Dann Corbit")
Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower ("Christopher R. Carlen")
Re: boot without fsck? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Where can I get a pre-installd Linux box for $250? (BKrapf9811)
"unresolved" syms, modules - SMP? (Eric Welton)
Re: [MINI-HOWTO] Upgrade (Benoit SIBAUD)
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which frigging version?????
Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:51:05 -0500
Ed Wilts wrote:
>
> Zach wrote:
> >
> > As you might have guessed from the subject, I'm a major Linux newbie. I'm
> > familiar with Unix to some degree - I used it for a while on Netcom, and
> > even managed to set up a decent Procmail script, but the majority of my
> > computer time for the last several years has been on either DOS or Windows.
> > Lately, Linux has been looking more and more interesting...but there are so
> > many choices!!! I'm having a hard time dealing with that - guess I've been
> > using Windows for too long :)
> >
> > I've been reading whatever I can find on Linux, and there's almost an
> > overwhelming amount of info out there. Where can I find a review or
> > something of what all the different distributions offer? It's frustrating -
> > each time I think I've settled on one, I find out something about another
> > that makes it look like a better decision.
>
> NOTE: Distributions are like religion - there is no right or wrong
> answer, and they will be hotly debated forever. I don't think anyone
> has killed anyone else yet though.
>
> One thing you have to be aware of is that the distributions will
> leapfrog each other. Say, for example, that Caldera has a better distro
> than Redhat. The next release will likely have Redhat having a better
> distro. Then Caldera will have another better release, and so on and so
> on.
>
> Since you're just getting started, probably the easiest thing to do is
> to purchase the Redhat 6.0 release. It's what the majority of Linux
> users use, and although it might always be the best at everything (every
> distro has tradeoffs), you'll find the best support. If you don't want
> to go with Redhat initially, go with Caldera.
>
> What you're likely after now is a good stable release that you can play
> with and learn with. Go with either Redhat or Caldera, and you won't go
> to far wrong. Both are relatively easy to install if you have
> compatible hardware. If you don't, they both can be aggravating, but
> we'll try to help in the newsgroups.
>
> .../Ed
> --
> Ed Wilts
> Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually SuSE is a better choice and also cheaper, you win both
ways. $30 or so at CompUSA or Barnes and Noble.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:07:14 -0500
"A.T.Z." wrote:
>
> Within a year of 40/50 the US will be under EU supervision (like it was
> before), because EU market and the Euro is much bigger and stronger then
> the US market and the US $.
A bit dreamer are you?
Nothing better than real money, the US dollar.
> Or the US and Europe stay completely
> independent as they are know. I don't have the gift of the second sight,
> so the future is open to any change that might happen.
>
It's not a gift, it's something that happens when someone abuses
certains substances.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:42:05 -0500
Michael Powe wrote:
>
>> If you chose basket weaving in school don't blame this on
>> society. There is a limited number of opening for that
>> kind of stuff.
>
> What has that got to do with anything I wrote? Too bad your much
> vaunted university education didn't include forensic skills.
>
You bitch about the ones who are doing good in life assuming
that they didn't work for it. I've known a lot of people in
college who spent years doing courses that didn't lead anywhere.
Today they're on welfare and bitching on the net.
>
> >> You're confused. Hard work + luck == success. To say that no
> >> one ever gave you a break along the way is just foolish pride.
>
> > If you spend your life bitching that you don't get a job
> > that pays more than minimum wage and never bothered
> > getting a degree at college or university don't blame us
> > for your screw up. If you think that your commie world
> > would get you that dream job think again. Unless you're
> > one the communist leaders you're not likely to have a
> > better standard of living on such a ridiculous system.
>
> You're 'round the bend, friend. I've been working since I was 15
> years old. I know what it's like to be really poor. Whereas you
> express contempt for the poor, I have respect for them. Without them,
> you're nothing -- because you'd have nothing against which to compare
> your own `superiority.'
>
I've worked since I been a little one on the family farm. We
had a few cows, chicken and my dad only worked six months or so
in the year away from home as a lumberjack. He had 14 kids and
life was hard. They couldn't afford to buy us clothes or shoes.
My dad would make me mocassins and I would get some used shoes
when I started school. At home I never wore shoes because
shoes were too expensive to waste. My mom made our clothes out
of used clothes. After my older brother cut his foot with a chainsaw
my dad had us move way south near Montr�al and life was tougher.
It took him a long time to get a job and we lived on the 50� an
hour that one of my older sister was making for a while. He then got
a job at about the same wages. We didn't have any animals and
one of our main food was fish caught in a nearby river. Our home
was filled with rats.
One day I left home to work so I wouldn't be a burden for my dad.
There was no work in our town for me. I went to work in Montr�al
then Toronto.
And you think that I don't know what being poor is!
> I don't know where you got this `commie' name-calling crap
> - -- I guess anyone who doesn't share your `I'm alright Jack, fuck you'
> attitude must be a `commie.'
>
One who pisses on the USA and try to convince others of the good
side of communism is nothing else than a commie.
> > What is your point anyway?
>
> That a man should acknowledge his debts. Perhaps, you just haven't
> reached manhood yet.
>
Perhaps you should look in a mirror. My debts are to my mom and dad
and older brothers and sisters who work their butt off to earn a
living as I grew up. I did my share by doing my part of the burden,
I was the cook at home for many years. As for the society, the
opportunity to go to college or university exist for everyone. What
you must do is get good grades and work hard. Most people chose not
to do that and opt for leaving school early.
It doesn't matter how poor you are in America, if you go the brains
someone will be there to give you the push needed. But to get there
you must work, bitching at society because it ain't going to take
you by the hand ain't the right approach.
> Michel> If you love communism so much why not try to immigrate to
> Michel> one of those commie paradises : Cuba or North Korea
>
> If I did, I would. Perhaps, just as an exercise, you should try
> reading some of my posts before replying to them.
>
> mp
>
I go by what you are telling me on these posts, if you want to
take back your stupid comments about the USA be my guests, but whatever
you said before that can't erase that show of support for the
commies in your most resent posts.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: math.h problem
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:22:28 GMT
On 27 Jul 1999 17:03:34 GMT, Steve Summit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[crossposted; watch followups]
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(Tom Shannon) writes:
>> I'm a very new, very green self-taught C programmer. That means this
>> is probably a truly stupid question. I'm using linux with gcc.
>
>Yup. Sorry to sound smug, but based just on your Subject: line
>I was pretty sure I knew what your problem was going to be, but
>this clinches it: you're about to ask why a math function is
>showing up as undefined, even though you've #included <math.h>.
>
>> I'm really not sure if my problem is platform specific so I'll
>> start with this group and go wherever you guys advise if necessary.
>
>It's platform specific, but it shouldn't/needn't be. You've been
>burned by a historical misfeature, which is not your fault.
>
>> I need to raise b to the c power and can't seem to get the 'pow'
>> function to work... The compiler error I get is this:
>> gcc -c -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE test.c
>> gcc test.o -o test
>> test.o: In function `main':
>> test.o(.text+0x19): undefined reference to `pow'
>
>The short answer is that you need to use
>
> gcc test.o -o test -lm
>
>to explicitly request that the math library be searched.
>(The comp.lang.c FAQ list would have told you this, by the way.)
>Also, be extremely careful when naming a test program "test" on
>a Unix or Linux system, as you can get some very strange results.
>("test" is already a system program.) Best to name your program
>something other than "test".
>
>> In the past, I've solved "unresolved reference" errors by including
>> the proper headers. That's not working here.
>
>Have you? That's unusual. Usually you add an #include line for
>a forgotten header file when the *compiler* complains about an
>undeclared function or a missing prototype. Here, however, you
>have the *linker* (though I guess that's not immediately obvious)
>complaining about an undefined external reference, and you
>generally fix those by adding missing libraries. (See also the
>comp.lang.c FAQ list, question 13.25.)
>
>> The stdio.h header is in the same directory as math.h
>> (/usr/include) so it should be able to see the file.
>
>Absolutely, and in fact the compiler *is* able to see that file.
>(But that's not the problem.)
>
>
>It's time for my semiannual plea to the GNU C and Linux
>development communities: *PLEASE* bite the bullet and put the
>math functions into libc, already! Why subject Tom Shannon
I disagree. The GNU C and Linux communities didn't invent this convention.
Whereas it well within the glibc maintainers' grasps to trivially fix this
problem, I don't think that they should.
The -lm kludge is just another way in which Linux is compatible with other UNIX
operating systems. The -lm means that Makefile rules from other platforms work
on Linux. And conversely, Linux programmers are forced to adopt a convention
that will work on many other UNIX-like operating systems, so that it's one
less detail to worry about when porting. There are certain basic things
you can count on when programming on any randomly chosen UNIX; like -lm
for the math library, -O for optimization, and -D_HPUX_SOURCE to
indicate that you are using a brain-dead OS. Just joking there. :) :)
Look on the bright side; at least it's not as bad as Microsoft.
Want sockets? Okay, that will be winsock.lib. No wait, wsock32.lib.
Or should that be ws2_32.lib? Does this program need gdi32.lib?
Or advapi32.lib?
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: latest netscape
Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:56:00 -0500
Anita Lewis wrote:
>
> Since you are using RedHat, it would be best to go to
> ftp://updates.redhat.com for that rpm. Then you can rpm -e the old and
> bring in the new one. I used the binaries because I did not know this. You
> would use glibc if you want to go that route.
>
> Anita
>
The problem is that RedHat doesn't have the correct version of
Netscape. You can get the secure version only at Netscape.
You go to netscape and choose the 128 bits high encription
version. They have a 4.61 version.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cylinder number problem!?
Date: 27 Jul 1999 21:11:22 -0500
"Coklin, Zarko [CAR:SC69:EXCH]" wrote:
>
> I spent last two weekends trying to install Red Hat Linux 5.2.
> After many hours and problems (I have 13 Gbytes hard drive if that
> indicates you to possible problems) I came to an interesting point.
> Here is the scenario what happened.
>
> I partitioned my HD using ordinary FDISK from DOS on 2 partitions
> C: (around 7 Gb and it is less thab 900 cylinders) and D: (around 5 Gb).
>
> Formatted both partitions, and then installed W98 on C one.
> After that I tried to install Linux, and when I booted PC using
> Linux CD ROM I started installation. Everything was quite fine
> untill I had to create partitions for Linux. OK, I deleted D DOS
> partition and tried to create all necessary partitions for Linux.
> But all of sudden I was surprised with message: Free space
> error!
> It take me few miliseconds to realize that Linux FDISK is
> aware of only 1024 cylinders on my HD. That is not a true value.
> The true value is 1583. I entered Expert mode in FDISK and
> tried to change that cylinder number to correct one. It ack-ed
> it, but when I quit FDISK and entered again, the number was still
> set to 1024. The same story is with Disk Druid. It is obvious that FDISK
>
> didn't apply the changes that had been made (from 1024->1583).
>
> To add some more flavour to this problem, I tried partitioning
> from Partition Magic 4.0. It recognized 1583 cylinders, it created
> partitions. Everything seemed to be bright. Once I got back
> to Linux installation process and when I wanted to verify partitions
> again with FDISK, it just complained about overlaping partitions.
> It seems it counted up to 1024 cylinder, and everything over it
> overlap with the partitions that started from cylinder #1.
>
> As I am not experienced in this stuff and because I took this Linux
> installation problems to personally, I woud like to get some answers
> ASAP.
>
> Thanks,
> Zarko
>
> p.s. You may reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drive D: you say. This means that you have an extended partition
that is partly past the 1024 cylinders.
Since you have partition magic this should be easy to fix.
Make a small partition, primary that is right after you winblows
partition. Make it about 15M and ext2. You can make all your other
partition the way you want, just keep in mind that you need an
extended partition if you want more than 4 partitions. And remember
that Dos will only see 1 of the primary partition. Make sure that
the winblows partition is the one that is active.
You can have 4 primary partitions but for more partitions one
of these primary partitions is the extended partitions which has
the logical partitions.
If you want to boot another Linux you would have to make sure that
you make another small partition below the 1024 cylinder. This
is what I did here and I boot on two different versions of Linux.
Your small partition will have /boot since the bios can't see
past the 1024 cylinder and /boot is read during boot time when
the bios is the boss. Past the boot Linux couldn't care less
wether or not the bios can recognize the drive.
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From: "Dann Corbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: math.h problem
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:48:51 -0700
Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip]
> I disagree. The GNU C and Linux communities didn't invent this convention.
> Whereas it well within the glibc maintainers' grasps to trivially fix this
> problem, I don't think that they should.
>
> The -lm kludge is just another way in which Linux is compatible with other
UNIX
> operating systems. The -lm means that Makefile rules from other platforms
work
> on Linux. And conversely, Linux programmers are forced to adopt a
convention
> that will work on many other UNIX-like operating systems, so that it's one
> less detail to worry about when porting. There are certain basic things
> you can count on when programming on any randomly chosen UNIX; like -lm
> for the math library, -O for optimization, and -D_HPUX_SOURCE to
> indicate that you are using a brain-dead OS. Just joking there. :) :)
Just ignore the -lm flag if present [FCOL]
> Look on the bright side; at least it's not as bad as Microsoft.
> Want sockets? Okay, that will be winsock.lib. No wait, wsock32.lib.
> Or should that be ws2_32.lib? Does this program need gdi32.lib?
> Or advapi32.lib?
The presence of a demonstrable horrid kludge does not justify the existence
of another.
I found 800 DejaNews posts on -lm in news:comp.lang.c and 16000 on all
Usenet technical groups. It seems like there might be some kind of actual
problem here...
I just don't think it is a good idea to keep doing something stupid because
grandpa did it that way.
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From: "Christopher R. Carlen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need script to convert filenames from UPPER to lower
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:42:23 -0400
Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> >Take the file, let's say, UPPERLIST.txt.
> >
> >Run the command:
> >
> >tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' < UPPERLIST.txt > lowerlist.txt
>
> As I read the problem, we have a lot of files to rename, not a
> file whose contents need translation.
>
> find . -type f -print | while read name
> do
> echo $name
> mv $name `echo $name | tr A-Z a-z`
> done
Thank you very much for a simple strightforward soluton. While the perl
solutions are compelling and perhaps more general, they would also
require a lengthy investment of my time to understand. This shell
script, however, while I couldn't have created it myself without having
spent a few hours in my Bash book, I can understand it just by looking
at it for a few minutes.
And it works fine.
_____________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My OS is Linux 2.0.29
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: boot without fsck?
Date: 28 Jul 1999 01:50:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Grimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I need a system in a place where there is not always a constant power
>supply. (The trunk of a car) How can I set it up so shutting down by
>removing power won't cause damage and fsck won't run on bootup? Could I
>just remount with the hd as ro?
You could do that, but the system is then un-usable.
I would suggest a small UPS hooked up with automatic shutdown on
power failure hardware. The UPS only needs to last long enough
to allow the system to shut its self off properly, and you can
have a timer that then powers down the UPS. It will reboot when
power is restored and will operate normally.
Now of course, this raises the question of what interesting
things you might have a computer doing in the trunk of your
car???
Floyd
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BKrapf9811)
Subject: Re: Where can I get a pre-installd Linux box for $250?
Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:31:02 GMT
>Subject: Where can I get a pre-installd Linux box for $250?
>From: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Mon, 26 July 1999 01:32 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7ni649$qfq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Hello,
>Is there any companies out there ont he web that are selling Linux
>boxes (Intel-based) running Redhat 6 for about $250? I heard somthing
>about some kind of consumer boxes being pushed by Prodigy sometime soon;
>but these sounded like more client boxes: I want to run a web and mail
>server.
>If not for $250, what's the cheapest boxes on the net?
>Thanks
>for any info.
Much more exciting to build it yourself. Hit the classifieds for some used
stuff:
486: $100
More RAM: $30
CD Drive: $20
Monitor: $50
Modem: $40
Keyboard, Mouse: $10
Linux CDs: $3
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$253
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From: Eric Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: "unresolved" syms, modules - SMP?
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:32:27 GMT
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From: Benoit SIBAUD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [MINI-HOWTO] Upgrade
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:39:43 +0200
Bruno Barberi Gnecco wrote:
>
> Try to add some explicit support for Slackware. I read some time ago
> that someone was doing update scripts in alt.os.linux.slackware; try to
> contact him.
I can't access to newsgroups alt.os.* . My news provider don't let me
access to them.
I think (and I hope Greg Louis agrees with me) that the Update
mini-HOWTO isn't only for Slackware distrib, but for all Linux
distributions. It isn't possible to give scripts for all distrib. The
main purpose of the Upgrade mini-HOWTO is to give the guidelines.
--
"Rule 1: ALWAYS read the manual. It's written in the manual."
--
Benoit Sibaud - In placement at CNET Issy DAC/OAT/MCT
LUG Linux-Arverne (http://www.linux-arverne.org)
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