Linux-Misc Digest #223, Volume #21 Fri, 30 Jul 99 14:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Newbie needs help w/ RH 6.0 (Leonard Evens)
Re: accessing physical memory (Leonard Evens)
Re: What I think of linux. (Arthur)
qmail, mail exchanger error (bowcow)
Re: What I think of linux. (Chris Costello)
Re: Killing unkillable files ("Art S. Kagel")
propertarianism (Richard Kulisz)
Permission denied after Slack3.4->4.0 upgrade (John Forkosh)
Re: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's (Karl Heyes)
Trouble using the 'time' command - help please .... ("Eric")
updatedb / NO SETUP SIGNATURE FOUND .... ("rt")
Re: LILO and NT40 (Leonard Evens)
Problem installing Redhat 6 ("Joey")
Superuser (Darren S Paxton)
Re: CIA assassinations (John M Dow)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Power off on shutdown (BIOS problem?) (Regit Young)
Re: What I think of linux. (Tim Hanson)
Redhat Net Boot Disk (Mark Mykkanen)
Re: Need help on modem (coffee)
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie needs help w/ RH 6.0
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:46:07 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi I am new to linux and I just installed Red Hat 6.0
>
> I am kinda clueless on the whole thing. (MS-brainwashed)
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can tell what products were installed in the
> default install and where? Also how do I add apps off of the apps CD?
>
> Thanks!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Few if any of the programs on the application disk are worth
fiddling with. There are some useful programs, such as Applix,
but only in demonstration versions.
I would learn how to use the system first. Later I would also
investigate some of the packages which come with the system
which were not part of the original system. There are also
a variety of programs available over the internet as rpm
packages which you might be interested in.
You get an awful lot with the default system, and it will take
you a while to learn to use everything you have. For example,
I think you get gimp by default; if not you can add it from
the installation CD. Gimp is comparable in scope with Adobe
Photoshop, which costs more than $500.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: accessing physical memory
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:35:51 -0500
"Hung P. Tran" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a need to access physical memory (just a memory card)
> from my application program. Is there anyway to access the memory
> without writing a device driver ? If not, is there any simple driver
> available just to allow application to access physical memory
> (source code would be more helpful) ?
/dev/mem is the device for physical memory. I suppose one could
arrange to write directly to it somehow, but with a multitasking
operating system, this is likely to lead to a core dump.
I remember doing something like this with a C program (and
possibly some assembly code) when I used Coherent, a Unix
like OS, on a PC without memory management. If one were extremely
careful, one could avoid crashes at least some of the time, but
it was always a gamble.
But I'm not sure why anyone would want to do something like this.
>
> Is there anyway I can tell how much TOTAL physical memory
> linux actually see ? I tried "top" and "free" command, but they only
> show memory available after kernel usage. Does linux find out
> how much memory available by probing, or does it rely on BIOS
> function and parameters ???
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> hung
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:09:25 -0700
Robert V. Grizzard wrote:
> >33 here. Learned to program on a Cray in '78 (it's been downhill ever
> >since). Did the TRS 80 CO-CO, Timex Sinclair, Apple IIe, etc until '91
> >when I got my first PC.
> >Started Linux in 1997 and have never looked back. Got a priest to come
> >over and exorcise Bill Gates from my machine about 3 months after I
> >started using Linux.
> 38. First computing experience was with a HIS 6000 running some flavor of
> B---C. I've been playing with Linux since 1995 and have decided this is the
> summer I leave Micro$oft behind -- but whether for Linux or *BSD is unknown.
Er, 47 (blush) - although I tried Slackware in '95 when I was 45,
but didn't like it. I suppose I had to mature a little to be ready
for Linux.
I punched my first deck of cards for an IBM 1602 (1620??) in 1968.
That's not a PC - it was a mainframe with lots of blinking lights
and a typewriter console. I miss those blinking lights.
Arthur
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From: bowcow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,redhat.networking.general
Subject: qmail, mail exchanger error
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:30:30 GMT
I've setup qmail on my linux box, and am able to send mail on my internal
network and send outgoing mail. For some reason, when trying to send mail
to my network, from the outside i get the following error:
Sorry, I couldn't find a mail exchanger or IP address. (#5.4.4)
I'm able to telnet, ftp, and gain access through the web from the outside
to the computer.
anyone have some ideas?
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http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:01:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>I'm 30, and started using Linux in 1995. But from 1997 on, I'd been using
>>FreeBSD almost exclusively. It'd be interesting to have someone take a
>>survey on a web site. I think a quick guestimation would be that the
>>average age of FreeBSD users are 10 years greater than those of Linux
>>users.
> I am new to all this. <G>
> How is FreeBSD better than Linux?
> Can apps written for Linux run under FreeBSD...
> and vise versa?
Linux binaries can be run under FreeBSD.
> And.. I am guessing that FreeBSD is "free", right?
Yes. Many (myself included) would argue that FreeBSD is more
free than Linux.
> John
> ---------------
> Remove SPAMNO from address to reply
--
|Chris Costello
|If the code and the comments disagree,
|then both are probably wrong. - Schryer
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From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Killing unkillable files
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:32:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zombies are already dead and will not prevent umount from unmounting
filesystems. The only process that a kill -9 will not destroy is one which is
currently running in kernel mode, ie is in a system call. If the process is
hung in the system call, say writing to a tape drive that has stopped
responding, you may have to wait for the driver to timeout the call which may
never happen. If the process is just calling system services so furiously that
you are never catching it in user mode (SIGKILL does not queue so you have to
catch it just right) you can try sending SIGKILL (kill -9) in a loop a few
thousand times. This has worked for me on several flavors of UNIX in the past
though I have not had need to try it on Linux yet. A shell loop is usually
good enough. Something like:
for iter in /usr/bin/*; do
kill -9 12345
done
Art S. Kagel
"M. Leo Cooper" wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any insight as to how to kill dormant and zombie
> processes, the ones that a kill -9 or even a kill -15 won't terminate?
>
> This would be very helpful, as certain running processes will prevent a file
> system umount on shutdown (kernel 2.2.9, RH6.0).
>
> Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: propertarianism
Date: 30 Jul 1999 16:54:40 GMT
In article <7nqrma$cvk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I agree. My criticism of the current status quo is not that it is too
>free, but that it is not free enough, especially for those who are not
>wealthy or well-connected.
Then why are you a Propertarian? In Propertarianism, the amount of
liberty you have is directly proportional to the amount of property
you have.
>The problem that I and other libertarians face is that it is difficult
>to encourage people to pursue freedom, either for its own sake or for
<smirk> It's difficult to encourage people to pursue *YOUR* freedom.
Why do you think so many people died in revolutions if not for their
own freedom?
>the additional benefits that come as a side effect of being free, when
>they have been indoctrinated to accept repression as both normal and
>inevitable, and even beneficial. And most people, in most parts of
>the world, are indoctrinated in such a fashion. I don't know how to
>change this.
You can start by changing yourself. Why is it that you accept the
repression associated with "ownership" as both nonrmal, inevitable
and even beneficial?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Permission denied after Slack3.4->4.0 upgrade
Date: 30 Jul 1999 10:48:10 -0400
I have several versions of Slackware installed on different
partitions, along with a common /home partition that's mounted
regardless of which version is booted.
I recently installed Slackware 4.0, but am having trouble
running executables or scripts that reside on /home. I get
a "bash: permission denied" error, even when I try to run
as root. All libraries are okay -- if I cp the executable file
from /home to my Slack4 / partition, then it runs okay from there.
Also, all permissions seem okay -- entire path is 755 or "better".
Anyone know what's wrong? Thanks,
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Karl Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: drives mount in linux and dos-like OS's
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:12:04 +0100
YamYam wrote:
> Hi...
>
> I want to ask about the difference in mount/umount the drivers in
>
> linux 'is it necessary, if so why?' and the easy one in Dos-like
>
> OS's 'e.g., Win95, Win98, ...'.
>
> I found it very complicated for the Dos-like users to switch to linux at
>
> this point. Is there any suggessions to make easy for that user, such as
>
> writing a script to mount/umount the floppy and cdrom?
>
The big problem here is the manual mechanical eject button, namely on floppy
drives. This can make a mess of caching, linux caches much better than
windows.
You can do three things :-
Use supermount, (a utility I've not touched myself),
Adding "noauto,user" into /etc/fstab as options, ok but the user has to
manually
specify the mount, unmount commands explicity, an extra bit of education
really
but doesn't distinguish between users.
autofs. automatically mount/unmount filesystems on the fly. Something on
par
with DOS drive letters. For the floppy drive you will probably want a short
timeout (1s) whilst other filesystems have larger timeouts (default 60s).
I personnally use the autofs mechanisms myself.
eg
/misc/removeable - one autofs mount point for floppy cdrom
/misc/fixed - another for NFS/hard disks
/mnt/cdrom - symlink to /misc/removeable/ide-cd
/mnt/floppy - symlink to /misc/removeable/dosfloppy
The symlinks are there because the dosfloppy and ide-cd directories don't
appear
until they are used. Obviously if the floppy disk is ejected whilst an
application is
in the dosfloppy directory then odd things can happen (but then the ground
on which
you stand has disappeared!). With the cdrom the drive is locked and the
eject button
is electronic and will be ignored until it has been released.
You are right in that, it would be nice if the distributions have this
setup, ease of
installation but things are progressing, there are a few things that could
be improved
upon. eg would it correct for the autofs to kill the program accessing an
ejected disk
or for the application to handle the error condition when there's a program
with reading
and/or writing to the disk. Bear in mind the ejected disk is only one
case, an NFS
server may not be reachable..etc!.
On a side note, I think linux 2.2 handles these cases better than 2.0.
karl.
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Trouble using the 'time' command - help please ....
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:00:25 GMT
I've been trying to use the 'time' command built-into tcsh to time
processes. Although it reports the time used correctly and all, I'm trying
to following the instructions in the man page to have it also display the
amount of memory used by the process.
>From the tcsh man page:
time If set to a number, then the time builtin (q.v.) executes
auto-
matically after each command which takes more than that
many
CPU seconds. If there is a second word, it is used as a
format
string for the output of the time builtin. (u) The
following
sequences may be used in the format string:
...
%X The average amount in (shared) text space used in Kbytes.
%D The average amount in (unshared) data/stack space used
in
Kbytes.
%K The total space used (%X + %D) in Kbytes.
%M The maximum memory the process had in use at any time
in
Kbytes.
...
My problem is that I have no idea how to format this time variable. I've
tried just about everything I can think of (and then even some stuff that
others have suggested), but to no avail. I just can't seem to get the
format string to change at all - not in the slightest.
Has anyone else used this command before? Do you know how I can determine
the total/max amount of memory used by a process? In theory this time
command does just that - I just can't get it to work. And 'top' isn't an
option.
Thanks!
Eric
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "rt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: updatedb / NO SETUP SIGNATURE FOUND ....
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:55:41 +0200
Hey,
1 I have installed Red Hat 6.0 without any problem. But when I make an new
compilation of the kernel (i.e. for adding NFS support) in the good way
(make dep; make clean; make zImage) (cp
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-15)) (/sbin/lilo)
after rebooting the new compiled kernel the following message appears:
NO SETUP SIGNATURE FOUND....
I have never had this problem with the versions RedHat 5. 0 and Red Hat
5.2.
So, now with the version Red Hat 6.0 I have this problem.
2 When I run the command updatedb my computer is running fix (with RED HAT
6,0) and this was not the case under earlier versions of red hat.
Please help me. Thank you very much
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO and NT40
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:05:46 -0500
Matt Menze wrote:
>
> I have a computer with NT4.0 on one hard drive and RH6.0 on another. I
> was trying to set it up to use LILO so I could choose either linux or
> NT. I installed the boot sector on the Master Boot Record (hda)
> thinking that it would work. But now I cannot get NT to boot. I set up
>
> LILO in linuxconf but when it tries to boot from my NT harddrive it
> restarts LILO. I think that I may have overwritten the NT boot sector.
> Is there anyway to create a startup disk from another NT workstation and
>
> restore my NT boot sector?
Several people have suggested how to restore the MBR so NT
can boot: either use the NT or DOS fdisk/MBR or using dd
copy the save master boot record in /boot to the first sector
of your disk. The first option is more likely to succeed if
you are new to these things.
One person suggested using the NT boot loader to boot both
NT and Linux. This is explained in the NT+Linux Howto, but you
have to be extremely careful about how you go about it. (I
found it originally in a book about Linux by M. Koffler, and
his description was very helpful.)
Using the NT boot loader is awkward because you would probably
have to redo it every time you upgrade. We did. Also, if
you can't write to the NT partition because you are using
NTFS, you have to use an intermediate floppy. Another
somewhat more convenient method might be to get Partition Magic
and use its Boot Magic program. It is not exceptionally expensive.
The method I prefer requires that you have an available partition
on your first drive. If NT is taking up the entire drive, this
is not an option. With this method, you put lilo in the
available partition on the first drive and use the Linux fdisk
to mark this partition as the active partition. Here is how
lilo.conf looks on my machine with two SCSI disks, Windows 95
in two partitions on the first disk, Linux swap on the first
disk, and two Linux partitions on the second disk. lilo is
put in the first sector of the Linux swap partition (sda2).
(The initrd statement is not needed for an IDE disk.)
boot=/dev/sda2
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
prompt
timeout=50
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-15
label=linux
root=/dev/sdb1
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.5-15.img
read-only
other=/dev/sda1
label=win
table=/dev/sda
The master boot record has not been changed. I've got this
to work well with dual boot NT+Linux machines with a single
disk, which is a bit simpler to deal with.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "Joey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem installing Redhat 6
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:03:14 GMT
Bear with me here, I'm a Mac user working on intel hardware for the first
time trying to install Linux. :-0 Anyway, I just spent six hours trying to
install Windows 98 on Pentium 133 that had a bare hard drive and an old
single-speed Cd-Rom that I pulled from a 386 (BTW, which I had no drivers
for and didn't even know the manufacturer). Eventually I was able to get the
CDROM to mount and install windows. Who cares, right?
Well, now I'm trying to install RedHat 6. The problem is, Linux, much like
dos/windows in the beginning, can't mount my CDROM drive. Using the Redhat
boot disk I can get as far as when it asks for the source drive of the
install. I select internal IDE CDROM, select my drive vendor/type which I
now know is Mitsumi (single speed) and it polls the drive, the access light
goes on for a few seconds and then it gives me some type of configuration
error (I really wish I could remember it right now).
If I select Mitsumi (alternate) from the menu and try the same install it
tells me:
Drive failed to mount: No media
Now, before I go crazy trying to install this, I already know that the
Redhat cd, which is a non-official copy, doesn't always Mount in Windows. So
I realize that this could be one problem. I also understand that It might be
much easier for me to pick up a newer CDROM drive that I know is compatable.
But, since I got this far, is there an easy way for me to get this to mount
and install or did I just answer my own question?
Thanks,
Joey
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From: Darren S Paxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Superuser
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:09:40 +0100
How do I set up a user account with Administration capabilities. I would
like to get one set up due to the obvious dangers of running as root,
and would rather be able to run an SU account on a 'normal' user
Thanx
Darren
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From: John M Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:19:19 +0100
Randall Parker wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> > If you decide to go to the US good luck there. I may even move
> > there myself. If I do I shall take my lfet wing, socialist (communist
> > if you like) views with me....
>
> Please stay in Europe and keep your socialist views there. I don't want
> the left to ruin American like it has done to so many other parts of the
> world.
Yeah, the right is doing an excellent job of stuffing up the country
without any more help :)
J
--
John Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dow Carter Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland
http://www.dowcarter.com
Let It Run.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 30 Jul 1999 17:13:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Kulisz schreef:
>> It's been done, over and over and over and over and over at nauseum and
>> you still remain unenlightened.
>
>Where ???? If you did then it might not be clare to everyone. Still think you
>dan't have a vision other then the Robin Hood kind of doing things.
If you dismiss my vision as "the usual whining" (as you do below) then
this implies you must have known about it. So why the hell are you
complaining about a lack of vision? Hey, you may not want democracy
but plenty of people do.
>It is happening today in the Netherlands. When you inherit money you pay the
>governement a part.
I imagine the Netherlands is far better off than the USA or Canada.
If you have a national debt then something you can do is force your
central bank to monetize it to free yourself from its burden. You
can also put in wealth taxes, environmental taxes, and all the other
usual ideas.
>> What do you have against inheritance taxes for billionaires?
>
>With what right does a government claim a part of the money saved by people to
>give their children some extra. The gov. just has no right to do this. Before
>you ask: no I don't think I'm going to inherit a large som.
Are you aware that nepotism is a Bad Thing?
The government, if it is representative of society, has *every* right. Wealth
and property belongs to society and not to individual people and society can
reclaim all the wealth it loaned to an individual after he or she dies.
>I read your remark as: damn I didn't get a million or 6-100. That's all what it
>says.
All I need is 150K and I'm set; I don't see why anyone should get away with
a million (let alone a billion) when people are starving in the streets.
What's 6-100?
>> No they wouldn't. That's just a bluff propagated by corporations. They're
>> blackmailing your country and idiots like you tell everyone else to fold.
>> When you actually call their bluff, and it's been done in the past, the
>> companies stay right where they are.
>
>NO NO NO NO Raise say 20-50% additional tax and I'm sure they are going. You
What the fuck do you know? History proves otherwise.
>know who really got hit by those laws, the little businesses where the
>entrepreneur works 70-90 hours a week to make a honest living. A big company has
>the money to move. In the Netherlands this is happening, and I'm sure this also
>happens in the USA. Go and take a look in India or China where there are lots of
>possibilities to get cheap labor.
They will move only so long as you allow them to move. Corporations will
remain wherever they can make a profit, and this has been demonstrated
in the USA and Australia.
>> First step; establish democracy in the Americas.
>
>I would have expected an intelligent remark. Not the usual wining. Perhaps you
>might want to mail your president with your ideas. There are two possiblities if
We don't have a president. And why the hell would I want to mail anything,
other than a bomb, to the idiot asshole in office? Democracy isn't something
you establish by begging a parliamentarian, you achieve it by building a
massive social movement.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 30 Jul 1999 16:49:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This stuff belongs in alt.conspiracy
Are you denying that patents exist? Are you denying that technology
costs a lot of capital which very few people have access to? If not
then what the hell are you saying?
>Richard Kulisz schreef:
>> And why do you think the technology was put in place? Technology serves
>> whoever controls it. Who do you think owns technology in the USA?
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From: Regit Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Power off on shutdown (BIOS problem?)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:37:18 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does "command=" for halt in /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt says ?
Ciprian Toader wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My computer does not power off when I run 'shutdown -h now'.
>
> I have set up the right option before compiling the kernel (2.2.5) but
> to no avail. When I do a 'shutdown -h now', after printing the message
> "System halted", the system does not shutdown by itself, instead I see a
> lot of characters filling the screen. I had the exact same problem with
> the 2.0.x kernels. Someone suggested that there might be a bug in the
> BIOS but I suspect that because it works in Windows (unless MS has a
> work around for this particular BIOS problem, highly unlikely.)
>
> I have a Gigabyte GA586ATX mb and an AMD K6 CPU.
>
> So, if anybody with this motherboard managed to get "power off on
> shutdown" working, please email me.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ciprian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Hanson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:17:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
alann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You're right, somewhat. I would be curious as to the average age of Linux
>users. I'm 34. First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET.
>That was a LONG time ago. Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
51 here. My first was a Radio Shack PC-2 (still around here someplace), then an
Atari 8-bit. I got rid of my old Byte mags finally, but the first was sometime
in 1977 (I think).
>
>How many are over 40 and grew up in a generation that computers DIDN'T exist?
Yep, saw it all happen. I was around when magazine editorials fretted about the
awful cassette tape storage and wished for the promised floppy disk. I saw ads
for the Altair with those front panel switches.
>There are a lot of 8 year old's now that are more computer literate than some
>50 year olds. My son included.
The 50 year olds should know better. The whole revolution was happening all
around them.
>
>>As the second poster said, Linux was made by geeks for
>>geeks, and unfortunately it will probably always remain
>>so. I have to say that there is NO WAY Linux will ever
>>become mainstream... simply because of the lack of computer
>>savvy demonstrated by over 90% of PC users.
This was true about DOS, C64, and all the others at one time. Linux will become
mainstream when the demand for it prods someone into writing user friendly
stuff. Many are doing precisely that now.
>>
>
>Nope, your wrong. Kids now have more computer skills than most "windows" users.
>
>I see this now in my local linux user group. A lot of the members are "kids"..
>HS'ers, college kids that know thier way around
>linux as much as I *WOULD* like to.. Today's kids at 8,9,10-15 that master
>Windows are not going to be satisfied with "sh*tty software and OS's.
>
>Linux gives thier minds a chance to grow. I give M$ 10 years max.
>They might still be around, but they will be writing apps, not OS's..
>Todays kids will certainly make sure that happens.
>
>
>
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From: Mark Mykkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Redhat Net Boot Disk
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:25:12 -0500
Is there a way I can use the Red Hat network boot disk to use a network
card not listed on the disk, but located on the CD? I have a 3c523 NIC
but the driver for it is not on the network boot disk.
How can I create my own network boot disk to use my network card so that I
can install linux over FTP?
Any suggestions appreciated...
- Mark
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From: coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help on modem
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:55:35 -0400
"Chris B." wrote:
>
> I was wondering how do i setup an old internal 33.6 modem under linux red
> hat 5.2. The modem isnt plug in play cause it has jumpers on it. I set the
> junpers for com1 or 2 or something. I would like to use this modem so i can
> connect to the internet. _thanks_chris
Try setting the modem up for com3, IRq 5 and see. You should have an
idea though of what irqs and ports are taken already.
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