Linux-Misc Digest #228, Volume #21 Sat, 31 Jul 99 02:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: helping the Third World (Bev)
Re: How to rm file with special chars? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Linux as a dial-up gateway (John Burg)
Re: CIA assassinations (Donovan Rebbechi)
Errors reading BIG DVDs (Tom Harrison)
Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver (John Burg)
Re: helping the Third World (Phillip Lord)
Re: math.h problem (Michael Rubenstein)
NIS problem on Linux machines (Dave Wick)
Re: Linux has finally crashed (brian moore)
Kernel compile errors
dselect/dpkg corrupting /var/lib/dpkg/* (Otavio Exel)
Re: Posting MS Project 98 schedules on GNU/Linux +Apache (Christopher Browne)
Re: Buy vs Download Difference: Documentation Only? (Christopher Browne)
Re: downloading linux (John Hasler)
Re: Scripting Question (John Hasler)
Re: Magic SysRq (was Re: Linux has finally crashed) (Christopher Browne)
Re: Red Hat 6.0 and passwd command (Lindoze 2000)
Re: What I think of linux. (Christopher Browne)
Re: What I think of linux.
Re: "You have new mail" (david grant)
Re: Download and burn Debian and slackware. (John Hasler)
Re: Did SUSE 6.1 egcs lose C++??? (Heeeeeeeez back!)
Re: What I think of linux. (Ian Smith)
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:37:11 -0700
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On 30 Jul 1999 17:21:04 GMT, Richard Kulisz wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
> >The only way to actually do anything is to work collectively. Yet
>
> So why don't the socialists "work collectively" ? Do they want to
> redistribute, or are they more interested in coercing others to do
> so ?
Uhh, I just got here, so I must have missed a lot. Is somebody trying
to collect old linux CDs for distribution in 3rd world countries, or is
somebody going to STEAL them from us to send there? Seems like more
trouble than it's worth, frankly. Why not just ask for money and work
out a deal with Cheapbytes or somebody and send current stuff?
> >and left-wingers "Why don't you change the world all by yourself?"
> >so in fact they *do* expect others to do the blatantly impossible
> >before they stop being selfish assholes.
>
> No, they expect the loopy left to put their money where their mouths are.
> ie don't pretend to be altruistic if you're not.
Hey, don't get snotty, I'll be happy to send some of my old ones to you
if you provide an address. Or a buck or so. Whatever.
Jeez, some people take EVERYTHING so seriously...
--
Cheers,
Bev
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Linux: The penguin is mightier than the sword
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: How to rm file with special chars?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 17:28:33 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bruce wrote:
> Obviously a newbie ?. I created a file starting with --. How can I rm it
> (w/o starting X)? TIA.
One way is
$ rm ./--blahblahblah
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Burg)
Subject: Re: Linux as a dial-up gateway
Date: 31 Jul 1999 03:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:18:36 -0300, Jose Alcino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi, people. This is kind of a basic question, but, as I do not have enough
>time to do extensive research, I would like to know if someone here can give
>me some basic directions, so I can focus more on studying the problem and
>not wasting time reading every kind of document.
>
You should be able to set it up pretty easily using the info provided here:
http://members.home.net/ipmasq/
John Burg
--
#!/bin/sh -
set - `type $0` 'tr "[a-zA-Z]" "[n-za-mN-ZA-M]"';while [ "$2" != "" ];do \
shift;done; echo 'frq -a -rc '`echo "$0"| $1 `'>$UBZR/.`rpub signature|'`\
echo $1|$1`'`;rpub "Jr ner fvtangher bs obet. Erfvfgnapr vf shgvyr!"'|$1|sh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 30 Jul 1999 18:44:59 -0400
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:29:09 +0200, A.T.Z. wrote:
>Richard Kulisz schreef:
>> Corporations will remain wherever they can make a profit, and this has been
>> demonstrated in the USA and Australia.
>
>Nonsense. It is happening. Where have you been the last few years. Companies
>using the possibilities there are. Perhaps the head-office in Washington and
>the factory in Argentina.
Ah yes, of course. All the companies are moving out of the USA and
Australia.
<SARCASM>The evidence for this is a huge reduction in the nations GDP per
capita, the end result being a massive recession in both countries,
resulting in triple digit unemployment and mass starvation</SARCASM>
Not.
This urban legend might be able to stir up some sentiments, but the fact
remains that the US ( and Australia for that matter ) aren't experiencing
the massive recessions that would accompany the kind of exodus that you
just described.
--
Donovan
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From: Tom Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Errors reading BIG DVDs
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:30:33 GMT
I am experiencing errors when trying to access some files on large
(>4GB) DVDs. On an older version of Linux, it blows up the kernel.
On a recently downloaded and installed Redhat-6.0, I get errors
indicating unexpected buffer sizes (x802 or x808 instead of x800),
then filenames -- and the subsequent command line prompt -- become
garbled. Under Win95, the disc is readable all the way through. I
am suspicious of a addressing error or some such, but wonder if
anyone has already seen this, and perhaps fixed it....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Burg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver
Date: 31 Jul 1999 03:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:31:12 -0400, Andre Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
> I also have a new install of RH6.0 and I cannot get the PP Zip working
>either, (even though it works fine on my Debian Linux Installation on
>another machine).
>I tried 'modprobe ppa' as G-man suggests. The computer responds with.
>
> /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.0: init_module: Device or Resource Busy
>
Yes, I've had exactly the same experience before. I eventually gave up, since I
couldn't get the PP zip drive to work on that machine under NT either. I just
assumed that the PP was broken or something.
John Burg
--
#!/bin/sh -
set - `type $0` 'tr "[a-zA-Z]" "[n-za-mN-ZA-M]"';while [ "$2" != "" ];do \
shift;done; echo 'frq -a -rc '`echo "$0"| $1 `'>$UBZR/.`rpub signature|'`\
echo $1|$1`'`;rpub "Jr ner fvtangher bs obet. Erfvfgnapr vf shgvyr!"'|$1|sh
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: 30 Jul 1999 22:45:02 +0100
>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> Can I ask why any of this is showing up in comp.os.linux.misc?
Matt> Or comp.os.linux.advocacy? Or gnu.misc.discuss? What does it
Matt> have to do with any of it?
It was relevant at the begining, but its kind of threaded its
way out of existance.
My previous experience has been that its almost impossible to
stop these discussion deliberately, but that they usually fissle
out. I do apologize for my part in keeping it going, but suggest that
in the mean time I suggest that you kill file the subject...
Cheers
Phil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Rubenstein)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: math.h problem
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:18:21 GMT
On 30 Jul 1999 21:17:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don
Secrest) wrote:
>Every program in the c library is
>called by some other program in the c library.
I've got to ask. Which program in the c library calls gets()?
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From: Dave Wick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NIS problem on Linux machines
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:41:48 -0600
I'm running RHAT 6.0 on both my server and client machines. I've stated
the NISDOMAIN on both machines in their /etc/sysconfig/network files,
but whenever I attempt to ypcat from the client machine, I get this
message:
can't ypbind: Reason: Domain not bound.
Can anyone help me with this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: 31 Jul 1999 04:39:05 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:06:43 +0200,
De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jon Skeet wrote:
> > Isn't there some new file system on the horizon using B-trees which is
> > journalling and yet faster than ext2fs?
>
> Where can i find more info ?
This sounds like sgi's XFS, which they have announced they will donate
to Linux. Last I heard from them, they were still investigating
precisely how to do that and ensure it remains open. (An ideal reason
to use the GPL, IMHO: they don't want to compete against their own
product made proprietary, and it will be trivial to deal with in the
kernel with a GPL.)
See http://www.sgi.com/Technology/xfs-whitepaper.html for how it works,
and http://linuxtoday.com/stories/6107.html for their announcement.
Pretty slick stuff, but it's a ways off yet.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel compile errors
Date: 31 Jul 1999 02:41:22 GMT
What I have:
ASUS P5A WOA
AMD K6-III 450
128 MB CAS2 RAM
I think something is buggy with the hardware. Here is the result of three
different compiles without changing the configuration. I'm hoping someone
has seen these errors and can give me a hint as to what might be causing
my troubles.
Cheers,
Gary
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes
-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -malign-loops=2
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o scsi.o scsi.c
gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4
make[3]: *** [scsi.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers/scsi'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers/scsi'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_scsi] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers'
make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2
[root@space linux]# {standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:2222: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline
inserted
{standard input}:3250: Error: no such 386 instruction: `m'
cpp: output pipe has been closed
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes
-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -malign-loops=2
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o ide-disk.o
ide-disk.c
gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4
make[3]: *** [ide-disk.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers/block'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers/block'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_block] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers'
make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2
[root@space linux]# {standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:0: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline
inserted
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes
-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -malign-loops=2
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o vt.o vt.c
gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4
make[3]: *** [vt.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers/char'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers/char'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_char] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.10/drivers'
make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otavio Exel)
Subject: dselect/dpkg corrupting /var/lib/dpkg/*
Date: 31 Jul 1999 03:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi all,
today I started dselect and got some segfaults; after some snooping I
found that /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/available were
corrupted! 90% of the errors were "J"s instead of "\n"s and "`" instead
of " "s; anyone seen something like this? I'm now telnet'ing from home so
I can't go into maintenance mode to do some e2fsck'ing but I don't think
it has to do with disk errors: the pattern s/\n/J/ and s/ /`/ leads me
to think that probably dpkg and/or dselect are the ones to blame..
any help welcome!
beers,
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Posting MS Project 98 schedules on GNU/Linux +Apache
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:13:34 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:56:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have just put together a Linux server for the office. Email, Samba
>and apache works well, but... I can't find any way to enable Microsoft
>Project 98 to "share" our projects on the server. I've tried to use the
>web options of the program but it doesn't work.
>
>Is it possible to solve this problems or I'm forced to use a MicroSoft
>server ??
This Makes Things Make More Sense...
A user at my office has been having desparate problems with MS Project
98 files that load in seconds if served off a local disk, but which
take the better part of an hour to load off a Novell Netware server.
Rumor has it that MSFT has introduced some nifty facilities in some of
their latest software that implements "compound documents in a file,"
and which reputedly may be extremely slow on other than MS's own
filesystems.
This may be the beginning of the Anti-SAMBA movement at MSFT...
--
You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend too much time
reading stupid fortune messages.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Buy vs Download Difference: Documentation Only?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:13:33 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:57:34 -0400, Young4ert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ahmad S. Ammar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I was wondering if there is a difference in the actual amount of
>> software you get if you buy a CD instead of downloading.
>>
>> For example, RedHat 6.0 and SuSE 6.1 come with StarOffice Personal
>> Edition; would you get that even if you download these distributions or
>> do you have to buy the official CD to get it.
>
>StarOffice just recently has released version 5.1 and it is free. You can
>go to https://www.stardivision.com and download the full blown of
>StartOffice 5.1 after you have completed the free registration.
This is probably a good way of displaying the difference between a CD
and a downloaded copy:
StarOffice comes in Very Large download files.
If you try to download it, you are likely to spend many hours
downloading data, and have problems with connections timing out along
the way.
In contrast, CDs Don't Time Out...
--
You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend too much time
reading stupid fortune messages.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: downloading linux
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:31:28 GMT
Noah Roberts writes:
> There are distributions which are split into more reasonable catagories
> so that one can download a certain group of related files and leave out
> the stuff they don't need. SuSE and Slackware are the only ones that I
> am currently aware of that do this.
With Debian you can download the install floppies and the base system (fits
on 8 floppies), install the base, and then install individual packages over
the Net. apt handles the dependencies automatically.
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: msn.computingcentral.os.linux
Subject: Re: Scripting Question
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:26:59 GMT
Jeff Grossman writes:
> I need to keep the last 5 versions of a file.
savelog does just about exactly what you want. You should look at rcs as
well.
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Magic SysRq (was Re: Linux has finally crashed)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:13:39 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:16:12 -0700, Tom Emerson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>To make the long story above short, I found out that when our application
>makes the initial connection, it isn't really connected to "the mainframe",
>but rather to the "logical terminal controller" [or whatever IBM calls it];
>to "get the system's attention" and actually start a session, a user would
>press the SYS REQ key on a real IBM terminal. (our program simply sends the
>relavent key information "as if" a user pressed the key...) Once inside the
>application on the mainframe, pressing the SYS REQ key again could do a
>variaty of things, including returning to the initial "unconnected/un-owned"
>screen...
An interesting thing about this is that the net effect of all of this
is that the user does not actually communicate directly to the
mainframe; all communications goes through that "terminal controller"
proxy.
This architecture permits *incredible* scalability compared to
"interrupt-driven" things like Curses or, "worse still," X.
With mainframe systems, changes are collected up at the "client end."
That 327x terminal is "smart enough" to allow you to do a fair bit of
editing of text and so forth aboard the terminal.
When you press "RETURN," all of those changes are collected together
into a single block of data.
That block is sent to the terminal controller, which collects together
lots of such blocks.
The TC then passes the blocks (perhaps with further processing;
dunno...) on to the mainframe.
By doing all of this "blocking," you don't have the situation where
every time you move the mouse, the machine in the bunker has to do
work. Rather, it can shuffle data in larger quantities, not doing
"piddly little things" like responding to user interrupts.
And that's where the monstrous I/O abilities come from.
In the UNIX world, things like TP monitors and message queueing
middleware represent a logical equivalent that are far more
application-oriented...
Neat thing of the day: a GNU message queueing package, Isect, has just
been released.
<http://pweb.netcom.com/~tgagne/index.html>
--
As of next Tuesday, all terminal input will be line-at-a-time.
Please update your programs.
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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6.0 and passwd command
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:33:29 -0400
stop telling people to read the man pages.
that should be obvious. its insulting.
Daniel Forester wrote:
>
> Lindoze 2000 was talking... AGAIN...
> : how the heck do you use adduser/useradd properly?
>
> Try man useradd. It's pretty much, as root,
>
> $useradd [options] [username]
>
> Some options I often use are the -G (that's from memory; might be wrong),
> to specify a Group name, and such. I recommend Linux in a Nutshell, an
> O'Reilly book. ;-)
>
> --
> Daniel E. Forester
> Georgia Institute of Technology
> http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte061f/
>
> Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:13:27 GMT
On 29 Jul 1999 21:54:38 -0400, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>
>> "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which
>> differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are
>> even incapable of forming such opinions." (Albert Einstein)
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/freeecon.html>
>
>allright, i just *have* to ask it... did you pick this sig on purpose for
>this article, or did the synchronicity-meter just peg?
Completely a result of random selection, in this case.
I occasionally pick one to suggest/underline a point, but this
situation wasn't a case of this...
--
Including a destination in the CC list that will cause the recipients'
mailer to blow out is a good way to stifle dissent.
-- from the Symbolics Guidelines for Sending Mail
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 31 Jul 1999 05:21:47 GMT
29. First computer used was a TRS-80. First one I owned was a
Commodore 64. Believe it or not I've still got an old Apple //e sitting
in my closet...I treat that baby like a model-T.
Robert
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:15:40 -0500, Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>DanH wrote:
>>
>> Donn Miller wrote:
>> >
>> > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, alann wrote:
>> >
>> > > You're right, somewhat. I would be curious as to the average age of Linux
>> > > users. I'm 34. First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET.
>> >
>> > Same here. I can't remeber what year, must have been 1981 or 1982. What
>> > processor did the PET have, and how much memory did it have? It seems
>> > like it was like the 64, with Microsoft Basic built in, embedded like.
>> >
>> > > That was a LONG time ago. Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
>> >
>> > I'm 30, and started using Linux in 1995. But from 1997 on, I'd been using
>> > FreeBSD almost exclusively. It'd be interesting to have someone take a
>> > survey on a web site. I think a quick guestimation would be that the
>> > average age of FreeBSD users are 10 years greater than those of Linux
>> > users.
>> >
>> > It would be interesting to do a survey, and compare the age of FreeBSD vs.
>> > Linux users, complete with mean and std. deviation.
>>
>> 33 here. Learned to program on a Cray in '78 (it's been downhill ever
>> since). Did the TRS 80 CO-CO, Timex Sinclair, Apple IIe, etc until '91
>> when I got my first PC.
>>
>
>33 - 21 = 12 !!! You were programing a Cray when you were 12?
>
>I'm 58. Fortran on a Honeywell 200 and a CDC 6600 in 1967. Then an
>analog computer in 1974 for the physics class I was teaching... An
>Apple II+ in 1978, a PC in 1983. About a dozen languages. My favorites
>are: Forth, Turbo Pascal 3.02a, BASIC, Prolog... I hate COBOL, RPG...
>
>
>--
>
>JLK
>Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is
>right.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david grant)
Subject: Re: "You have new mail"
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:19:09 GMT
I should have made it clear that I am using a standalone PC and that
these are internally generated messages. Can you help?
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:21:24 -0500, Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I don't think you want to do anything to sendmail on your machine.
>What you need to do is to tell your mail server to keep mail
>on it rather than forwarding it to your machine. This will
>probably have to be done by the system administrator of that
>machine---unless you happen to be doing it by a .forward
>in your directory on the mail server. Then, assuming
>pop service is set up on your mail server, you can use fetchmail
>and use it to download your mail, which you can read by any
>of the many mailer readers provided by Linux. Alternately,
>you can read your mail using Netscape Communicator, which can
>be set up as a pop mail client. You can also use Netscape to
>send your mail, as I am now doing since I use it to read news.
>(With Netscape you don't need to run fetchmail, since Netscape
>gets your mail from the server for you.) You might prefer
>Netscape since it is vaguely Eudora like.
David Grant
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Download and burn Debian and slackware.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:34:03 GMT
oistein writes:
> Is there any bootable cd images of those two linux distributions
> (slackware 3.9 and debian) out on the internet.
There are bootable CD mages of the Debian Official CD's available. I can't
give you a URL off the top of my head, but you should be able to find them
by poking around on www.debian.org .
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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did SUSE 6.1 egcs lose C++???
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:10:36 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Michael Hasenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Graham Ashton wrote:
>> >First, would you please be so kind and NOT quote lots of lines of the
>> >previous posting(s) ...
>>
>> is it just me, or did you totally fail to follow your own advice?
> It is just you.
Nope. You definately quoted about 40 lines of unneeded text at the end of
the article...
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From: Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:33:38 +0000
uRBaN_WeaSeL wrote:
>
> Gotta admit, me too. Even though I can (barely) navigate at the command
> prompt, and maybe write a very simple shell script (if one dare call it even
> that), I find myself 99% of the time in X-Windows.
Even if at a very slow rate, you will be able to build your skills over
time in a way impossible with the shifting interfaces of M$.
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