Linux-Misc Digest #228, Volume #19 Sun, 28 Feb 99 11:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: need some application recommendations (Doug Burgess)
Re: RH5.1 Installation problem - fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel (Villy
Kruse)
Re: how to start programming in Linux (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: need some application recommendations (Brett W. McCoy)
Re: RedHat 5.2 --> 2.2 Kernel (Brett W. McCoy)
Re: Init problem ("David Z. Maze")
Re: RH vs SuSE (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: special characters in UNIX how? (Villy Kruse)
Re: Can't record sound with microphone (David Guertin)
Learning Linux
Re: What if software could think? (NF Stevens)
Problems with ALSA sound driver (David Guertin)
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (Robert
Sexton)
How to enter special characters (Rob Visser)
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From: Doug Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: need some application recommendations
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:14:28 GMT
I like FileRunner too. Works well.
As for windows manager, Afterstep is quite interesting. The desktop
is clean but quite functional. KDE gives the "look and feel" of
Win9x and seems less stable. Also, it has trouble running WordPerfect.
Of course, this is another NewBie take.
Cheers,
db
Peter Worcester wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm a Linux newbie and I am looking for some recommendations for some
> applications. I know there are bazillion applications out there so I'm
> looking for a few shortcuts.
>
> File managers...
> I'm looking for an Xwindow based file manager as much like Windows Explorer
> as possib;le ( I know, I know don't mention Windows in here but.... lets
> face it I am a Windows person and I want something familiar)
> So can anyone recommend a good file manager (better than xfm please...) I
> need to know where to get it as well.
>
> Window Manager...
> I have seen CDE, WindowMaker, FVWM2,FVW95 and KDE and a few others. I kinda
> like KDE for one. Whats everyone else think are the best ones. (Please I
> don't want to start a war here, I know these things are kind of personal but
> I'd like some advive)
>
> FAQ....
> Are there any FAQ out there ? I want info on accessing my ods/windows
> partitions, in specific
>
> Any other recomendations you all think I won't be able to live without.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: RH5.1 Installation problem - fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel
Date: 28 Feb 1999 15:21:42 +0100
In article <7b993h$5oo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Autometic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have repeatedly tried to mount my cdrom drives however the system keeps on
>giving me the message:
>
>fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel.
>
>I am using Redhat 5.1 and the installation as such went OK until the point
>where I wanted to run the cdrom drive.
>
Do you by any chance boot using a boot floppy? Some versions of RH5.1 did
have problems with any loadable modules -- including iso9660 support --
if not boot with the lilo loader.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to start programming in Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:16:03 -0600
You haven't taken any psychology courses in college yet, have you!
:-)
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Brian Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : I have found that learning programming depends to a huge degree
> : on what you are trying to accomplish. I frequently write programs
> : for various numerical applications, basically numbers in <-> numbers
> : out. I used to do this all in FORTRAN. When I switched over to
> : linux I used f2c for a while and then finally bit the bullet
> : and now do everything in C. It took a surprisingly small amount of
> : time to make the switchover. But I don't really *know* C in the
> : sense that most people mean when they say they know it. I'd
> : be totally lost trying to write a device driver or something.
>
> I use C mostly for math type stuff. For that, it's reasonably
> straighforward. For processing text, C gets harder as it gets low-level
> real quick and I lack the attention span required. I normally code for
> stdin and stdout and use shell scripts to redirect stuff. I can cause C to
> open a file, but I normally choose the lazy way. :) Here is one of my
> classic math proggies:
>
> ---begin fat.c---
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <math.h>
> float mass, height, output, ideal;
> main()
> {
> /* The Fat Programme */
> /* */
> /* The variables "mass" is your weight in pounds and "height" is in */
> /* inches. The output of the programme is your Body Mass Index. */
>
> printf("Enter your weight in Pounds:\n");
> scanf("%f", &mass);
> printf("Enter your Height in inches:\n");
> scanf("%f", &height);
> output = mass * 703 / (height * height);
> ideal = 25 * height * height / 703;
> printf("\n%f", output);
>
> /* Fun note here is the first if-then and the strategic placement of */
> /* lone printf return key afterwards. */
>
> if(output<25)
> {
> printf(" is your Official Body Mass Index! Congratulations for being");
> printf(" healthy!\n");
> printf("You're doing America a favour!");
> }
>
> printf("\n");
>
> /* Now, for an "if-then" routine that embeds a second one... */
> if(output>=25)
> {
> if(output<30)
> {
> printf("You're a Fat Slob! Lose some weight!");
> }
> }
>
> /* Now, for a simple if-then.... */
> if(output>=30)
> {
> printf("You're a fucking blimp! What have you got to say for
> yourself?\n");
> printf("Lose some god damn weight NOW!!!!");
> }
>
> printf("\n");
>
> if(output>=25)
> {
> printf("\n");
> printf("%f pounds is how much you've got to lose, slob.", mass-ideal);
> printf("\n");
> }
>
> }
> ---end fat.c---
>
> This gem is the government's official body fat formula made into a C
> proggie. It's GNU. Note the conditionals and the flames in the output. :)
> This example is an illustration of my admittedly crude coding style. I
> originally learned BASIC before I took up C. I don't know about FORTRAN,
> but I do know Linux has it. So, if you feel like coding in Fortran, go
> right ahead and enjoy. What is missing is a good QBASIC for Linux.
> However, I found a QBASIC to C translator so if I get stuck in C, I can
> code the routine in BASIC and examine the output. Then, I can edit the
> output and compile. I thus get to learn some C and get the best of both
> worlds with the QBASIC to C converter. I like the QBASIC to C converter
> idea best. It's better than a real QBASIC as it spits out C and I can edit
> the code to taste.
>
> I used the QBASIC to C converter to learn how to make the conditionals
> like in the above code. Since I use a similarly crude style in BASIC, the
> output of the converter is similar to my coding style! I'm going to have
> to try text manipulation with the QBASIC to C converter. Since translator
> proggies create crude code, they are good for learning when you're a crude
> programmer. I'm not complaining! I wouldn't be surprised if there's a
> Fortran to C converter floating around out there. With it, you can have an
> easier time changing over. Please note that proggies like this do have
> limitations. You can't get too esoteric in the original code. In my case,
> that's no problem. :)
>
> The above sourcecode is copyrighted under the GNU Public Licence by me,
> the creator.
>
> --
> CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680
> Humans never fly. They either ride a flying bus or drive it.
>
> 3566553 bytes of spam mail deleted. http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:25:21 -0600
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
<snip>
> Or the users own program could send a fake one. I do not believe that
> security is what this is for. I believe it is for copy protection. I
> suspect that MS put pressure on for such a chipid so that they could
> code their programs to the chipid making multiple use impossible.
> ( and with the new copyright laws, any attempt to get around this would
> be a criminal offense.) The next Word you buy will not be able to be
> installed or run if the ID is switched off, and there will be no word of
> this on the box(prediction).
> And buy a new computer and replace all your software as well.
You've hit the nail on the head, Bill. Remember that email shown at the
M$ trial in which Gates and friends were discussing how to get MORE
revenue from their software sales? Their solution: license the software
ANNUALLY! Combine that little ploy with the ID chip and your monopoly
is TOTAL and complete. IF the DOJ doesn't do it's job then only Linux
is left to stem the tide...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brett W. McCoy)
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: need some application recommendations
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:36:02 GMT
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:29:31 GMT, Peter Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>File managers...
>I'm looking for an Xwindow based file manager as much like Windows Explorer
>as possib;le ( I know, I know don't mention Windows in here but.... lets
>face it I am a Windows person and I want something familiar)
>So can anyone recommend a good file manager (better than xfm please...) I
>need to know where to get it as well.
>
>Window Manager...
>I have seen CDE, WindowMaker, FVWM2,FVW95 and KDE and a few others. I kinda
>like KDE for one. Whats everyone else think are the best ones. (Please I
>don't want to start a war here, I know these things are kind of personal but
>I'd like some advive)
It all depends on what you want. My preferences are Enlightenment &
GNOME, but I also like WindowMaker and AfterStep. GNOME is a desktop
environment along the lines of KDE -- you can use any window manager you
like with it. It also has file management utilities. KDE is more
developed than GNOME is, though, and at this point, probably more stable,
since it's bene around longer. If you aren't into bleeding edge
development stuff, I'd stick with the stable stuff like KDE and
WindowMaker.
--
Brett W. McCoy
http://www.lan2wan.com/~bmccoy/
=======================================================================
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsen.
=====BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Version: 3.12
GAT dpu s:-- a C++++ UL++++$ P+ L+++ E W++ N+ o K- w--- O@ M@ !V PS+++
PE Y+ PGP- t++ 5- X+ R+@ tv b+++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++ h+(---) r++ y++++
======END GEEK CODE BLOCK======
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brett W. McCoy)
Crossposted-To: cmp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RedHat 5.2 --> 2.2 Kernel
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:37:08 GMT
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:15:48 -0500, Charles Sullivan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>hmmmm... it is strange... i upgraded my RH 5.1 to 5.2, then next i
>>extract 2.2.1 to /usr/src/linux, then patched it to 2.2.2, then
>>compile - and... everything work perfect - why? :-)
>
>You obviously did something wrong! Linux is only supposed to
>install after you've been tearing your hair out for four hours. :-)
No, no that's Windows!
--
Brett W. McCoy
http://www.lan2wan.com/~bmccoy/
=======================================================================
Jim Nasium's Law:
In a large locker room with hundreds of lockers, the few people
using the facility at any one time will all have lockers next to
each other so that everybody is cramped.
=====BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Version: 3.12
GAT dpu s:-- a C++++ UL++++$ P+ L+++ E W++ N+ o K- w--- O@ M@ !V PS+++
PE Y+ PGP- t++ 5- X+ R+@ tv b+++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++ h+(---) r++ y++++
======END GEEK CODE BLOCK======
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Init problem
Date: 28 Feb 1999 10:06:23 -0500
Alexander Frolkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AF> Is there a bug in SysVinit which is stopping it from working
AF> correctly over a serial line ?
AF>
AF> I'm using version 2.76, and I have the following line in my /etc/inittab:
AF> S0:45:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 ttyS0
I've had trouble getting agetty to work well over a serial line. I've
had much better luck with gettyps.
AF> When I use my other computer to try to login, all I get is the
AF> login prompt, where I can type my login name (it _is_ echoed back,
AF> BTW) and press enter. After that, nothing happens - not even a
AF> password prompt.
Yeah, I got that too. This isn't init losing; this is something wrong
with agetty.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH vs SuSE
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:40:21 -0600
Monte Milanuk wrote:
>
> I've 'upgraded' the stock 6.0 to KDE 1.1, and kernel 2.2.2-ac5, and had
> mostly problems...wrong charset, somewhere. I think this is keeping
> alot of KDE apps from launching. And according to xload, my system is
> now under a fairly steady 30-40% load, where before an idle system was
> more like 2-5%. Any ideas?
>
> Monte Milanuk
Hi Monte,
I had to choose between a full install or an upgrade. I decided to
upgrad and chose the "everything" route. I also went back in and
installed the old libc5 packages because I have some dynamic libc5
programs. I did NOT upgrade to the 2.2.x kernel nor KDE 1.1 (but I will
when SuSE 6.1 is released).
I see messages indicating a "wrong charset - choosing ascii ...." on the
console screen after I shut down KDE 1.0, so I don't think it is a KDE
1.1 problem. I bet it is a conflict between the english ("en") setting
I selected and some config file somewhere that still has a "de" setting
in it that causes some umlaut fonts to attempt to come up. I don't have
German popping up anywhere, though.
I do have a problem running KDE under root. It hangs exiting KDE when I
have the sound enabled. Running as a user I can run KDE with sound and
not hang on exiting. So, I believe it is a confilicting config setting
somewhere. I love to run KDE with sound.
I would download the most recent version of the kernel and install it
if you still want to blaze trails.
Jerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: special characters in UNIX how?
Date: 28 Feb 1999 15:31:50 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Joel Wijngaarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>does somebody know how you can do special charters in Linux like an 'e'
>or an 'u' with two points on top. In Windows such things are done with
>the ALT xxx keys.
>
It is done by using a combination of compost-key + '"' + 'u'.
But unfortunately, the compose key is undefined after you load the US
keyboard map. Otherwise the standard compose key is 'contol period'
So you enter � by holding the control key, hit the period key, relese
the control key type "u. Similar for �, �, �, �.
Villy
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From: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.dev.sound
Subject: Re: Can't record sound with microphone
Date: 28 Feb 1999 10:23:59 -0500
Reply-To: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Komar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rob> Are you sure that you had the mike plugged into the microphone
Rob> jack and not into the line-in jack? I found with my SB16
Rob> card, I couldn't hear the music when recording through the
Rob> mike jack, and couldn't record when listening through the
Rob> line-in jack.
Thanks for the help. Actually, I did have it plugged into the in-line
jack, based on a murky recollection I had of something I read once
that said that I would get better sound that way. I switched it to the
mike jack and it started working.
Then, in an effort to get full-duplex working with my crummy old
SB16, I installed the latest ALSA driver to replace the standard
kernel sound driver. After doing that, I noticed that xmixer now
allowed me to set the toggle switch for the in-line jack to "record",
which previously it hadn't let me do. Once I switched that, now I can
record using the in-line jack and everything is hunky-dory.
Well, almost. I'm still having some nagging problems with the ALSA
driver. (See my separate post.)
Rob> I also found that the SB16 doesn't do a good job recording
Rob> music. My on-board CS4236B Crystal chip produced much
Rob> better results than the SB16. If you're serious about good
Rob> recordings, you might want to consider getting another
Rob> sound card.
Agreed! I'm saving up to get a Turtle Beach Pinnacle, but until then
I'm using the SB16 just to get familiar with the techniques and the
software. (Based on what I've read, the Ensoniq Audio PCI might be a
better cheapo alternative to my SB16 as a short-term interim solution.)
Cheers,
--
Dave Guertin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Learning Linux
Date: 28 Feb 1999 15:31:36 GMT
Hey,
I just migrated over from that other operating system [hereinafter TOOS]
that most people run on x86 boxes, and I find myself both thrilled and
frustrated. Many of you are probably unaware of the brain rot that TOOS
can cause, as the user clicks her/his life away, never having to think
about a thing.
I got into Linux primarily because I found the prospect of *learning* and
*understanding* what was going on inside my box irresistible - but I am
having a difficult time finding a good source of information. The Matt
Welsh book put out by O'Reilly was really good, but a little dated. I
also tried SAMS' 'Unleashed' book, but the writing is terrible, and too
much of that book is 'How to do this...' I want to know how this works!
Since I was actually raised on MS-DOS, the command-line is not totally new
to me, and I have some background in C, just to give you an idea of where
I'm coming from.
Any suggestions? I appreciate everybody's patience with yet another
ignorant newbie, by the way.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: What if software could think?
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:39:04 GMT
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John is arguing that free software should be allowed to be
>> thrown into bondage, and all its descendents.
>
>Actually, he feels (at least he expresses it, sorry if I am wrong here)
>that the GPL by definition does exactly what your saying he is for. All
>GPLed software, and its decendants, are in fact enbonded by the
>GPL....so that they will never be truely free.
Since software is not sentient and unlikely to be so for some
considerable time this is all hypothetical. The real difference
between John (and the other GPLophobes) and the GPLophiles
is to whom "free" software is free. John thinks freedom means
the freedom for developers to use it in other (jproprietory, money
making) works. Those on the other side want the software to be
free for users to use. These two definitions of freedom are of
course incompatible.
Norman
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From: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.dev.sound
Subject: Problems with ALSA sound driver
Date: 28 Feb 1999 10:37:55 -0500
Reply-To: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi folks,
In an effort to get my cheap old SB16 card working in full-duplex, I
replaced the standard kernel sound drivers with the ALSA drivers. The
install procedure went OK, and the modules are all loaded. (I have to
load the snd-pcm1-oss module by hand, but that's another story...)
I can cat .au files to /dev/audio, and I can listen to .au and .aifc
files using DAP. I can also record sound in DAP.
But: playing wav files with wavplay gives me:
Invalid argument: Audio block size (1024 bytes)
And trying to run multitrack for multitrack recording gives me:
Cannot open /dev/sndstat. No sounddriver loaded.
So I tried `cat /dev/sndstat' and I get:
cat: /dev/sndstat: Operation not supported by device
Also, I can no longer play audio CD's. There's no error, they're just
silent.
Have I missed something, or are these just ordinary bugs that go with
early-in-development software?
Regards,
--
Dave Guertin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Sexton)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 28 Feb 1999 15:43:48 GMT
Graffiti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: [snip]
: >There's much more. Many new linux programmers who do not have
: >Unix programming experience just do things like "#include <linux/asm.h>"
: >because it looks "kewl". Needless to say that these things are
: >usually totally unnecessary (like "linux/tcp.h" or similar, which
: >I've seen in quite a few linux programs) and completely unportable.
: If they're new to programming, then don't worry. They'll learn and
: start writing portable code if for no other reason than maintainability.
: Otherwise, well, would you really trust code from those who write code
: because it's "kewl"?
Exactly. :-)
: Since my home machine was Linux-only, I couldn't test it on non-Linux
: platforms where I do most of my development. (home)
<Snip>
: I'm sure those people would be more than happy to learn how to write
: portable code. All they have to do is spend $100000e^inf on a few
: UNIX workstations so they can run Solaris, HP/UX, SCO, AIX, MVS (Yes,
: it has UNIX branding), SINIX, ....
: While it is true many brands of UNIX and the hardware they run on are
: fairly cheap these says (used computers), expecting a lot of the
: high-school aged kids who live off a minimum-wage job or an allowance
: to go out and buy them to "learn UNIX" is a bit unrealistic. :-)
<BZZZZZZZZZZZT!>
Just because YOU don't have a Solaris box on your desk doesn't mean
you can't write code that'll run there.
Firstly, porting the software isn't necessarily your job. If the
Solaris folks want to run your code, they can port it.
Your job is to write it such that it can be ported. You
isolate Unix flavor specific stuff to simplify changes, and more
importantly, you KNOW which things are generic, and which things
aren't.
The easiest way to do this is to stop using Linux man pages as your
primary reference. For generic c stuff, you use K&R, or something
similar. For network or systems programming, get a copy of Stevens.
For X, use the REAL X docs. For now, I think we need to find the
person who implemented /proc/cmdline, and turn them over to the war
crimes tribunal.
: Quite often, the people writing non-portable, Linux-only code do it for
: one of two reasons:
: 1) They don't have access to a non-Linux mahcine.
No excuse. Get a (non-linux) book. There's lots of them out there.
: 2) They just started playing with Linux, and have no idea what
: portability is.
Those who are ingnorant of their history are doomed to re-implement
it, poorly.. (Apologies to lwall)
--
Robert Sexton - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cincinnati OH, USA
Dr. P Korman on Probability: Let's Assume that I give these 5 playing
cards to a small child, and that I get them back in a different order.
Let's also assume that nothing else happens to the cards.
Read the Newton FAQ! <http://www.kudra.com/newton/newton-faq>
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From: Rob Visser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to enter special characters
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:46:39 +0100
Hello,
I am already a LINUX user for a long time, but I still don't know how to
enter from
the keyboard special characters like an e with two dots on it:
�
Thanks in advance ??
--
Rob Visser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.wxs.nl/~robvisser
The PCD home page:
http://home.wxs.nl/~robvisser/PCD/home.html
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