Linux-Misc Digest #243, Volume #21 Sun, 1 Aug 99 14:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I think of linux. (James Knott)
won't umount /usr (Kevin Breit)
Re: Word Perfect filters in SO 5.1? ("R.K.Aa")
PHP MySQL support with RPMs ("John Rappold")
Re: detailed step setting up email for dial-up (Bob Koss)
Re: CD-ROM not playing audio CDs (Matthias Kilian)
Re: Unix2dos (Leonard Evens)
Re: Lilo, I just erased it and I want it back!!! (Leonard Evens)
Re: Looking for a good email client ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries (Duncan Simpson)
Re: screen, the program (Duncan Simpson)
Re: IDE vs scsi? (Stefan Ehlen)
Create time ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What I think of linux. ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: PKZIP Cracker? (Duncan Simpson)
DHCP (host 255.255.255.255 route) how? ("Dennis Naerebout")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 10:35:03 -0400
Reply-To: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>alann wrote:
>
>> You're right, somewhat. I would be curious as to the average age of Linux
>> users. I'm 34. First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET.
>> That was a LONG time ago. Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
>
>I'm 44 and although I'm not a computer professional by any
>means (no formal "computer" classes at all despite a couple
>college degrees) my first exposure to computers was in Math
>in my senior year of high school (1972) when we learned some
>Fortran programming. As the high school didn't have any
>computer facilities we would write our programs in spiral
>notebooks and then after school go to the local college to
>use their keypunch machines to punch them onto cards. We'd
>put the cards in the job queue to be run overnight on their
>IBM 1620 and our teacher would pick up the greenbar printouts
>the next morning on the way to school. We'd go over them in
>class, make the needed corrections in our notebooks and then
>go back to the keypunches again after school to make another
>run. In college I did a little BASIC programming on the
>college's PDP-11/20 (teletypes instead of keypunches -- with
>paper tape readers, no less! yeee-haw!) but these were
>special-purpose programs for a population biology class
>I was taking. Then a several year hiatus with no computers
>until I bought a CP/M machine when my wife was in graduate
>school.
I'm 45. My first programming experience was also Fortran in Gr 12 in
high school. (1970/71). We used those pencil mark cards, which the
teacher took to the board office, to be compiled. He never actually
ran the programs, so we could write an absolute garbage program, so
long as it compiled!!! ;-)
>> How many are over 40 and grew up in a generation that computers DIDN'T exist?
>> How many users used a computer with Windows for their "virgin" computer
>> experience?
>
>I didn't try Windows until 1993 and that was already v3.1.
>Only spent a year or so in Windows before switching to
>OS/2. Picked up linux a little over a year ago. Set up a
>three machine LAN (two OS/2 machines and one linux) at home
>this past winter. Sometimes an old dog can learn new
>tricks...
I have never owned a Windows only computer. The only time I obtained
a copy of Windows, was when OS/2 Warp 3 came out, without built in
Windows and you had to have a copy to run Win apps.
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The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Breit)
Subject: won't umount /usr
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:09:38 GMT
Hey,
I have four partitions on my hard drives. I have my fat32 system on
hda1. I have Linux Native on hda2 and hdb1 and then Linux swap on hdb2.
Anyways, I have hda2 set as /usr and have all of /usr on the disk.
When I try to shutdown, it ALWAYS says that it can't unmount /usr because
it's in use. Although, I thought that Linux killed it. How do I go about
fixing
this? It's really annoying because it runs a 5 min. fsck everybootup on the
5GB partition.
Thanks
Kevin
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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Word Perfect filters in SO 5.1?
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:18:19 +0200
Richard Hinton wrote:
> Has anyone found an ftp site that has Word Perfect filters in 5.1.
> I saw somewhere that there were WP filters in SO 5.1?
This is probably not at all helping..but according to the filterlist
found at
http://www.stardivision.com/sales/mig_filter.html
there are filters included in SO5.1 for WP 6.1, 6, 5.1,5, 4.2, 4.1
Not sure whether they mean import or import/export filters. Have you
tried opening a WP document with StarWriter 5.1 at all?
It may also be that they're referring to the *possible* filters
available. They sell something called a FilterUpgrade ServicePack - see:
http://www.stardivision.com/shop/servicepack/
Hear with them if the filters apply to the Linux version before you
decide whether to buy. ($14.95)
K
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From: "John Rappold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: PHP MySQL support with RPMs
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:29:47 -0400
I have PHP running fine with Apache (on RH 6.0) but need to add support for
MySQL with PHP. MySQL is installed with the latest RPM and working fine as
well. After checking the PHP FAQ I downloaded the PHP source RPM and
followed all of the steps exactly as written (uninstalled my original PHP
RPM).
I added the following line to the PHP RPM SPEC file:
--with-mysql=/usr \
Now, every time I do the following command:
rpm -bb /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/mod_php3.spec
I get an error telling me that the mysql=.usr \ file or directory doesn't
exist.
I'm new to Linux, and want to use RPMs as I thought it would make for easier
installations, but this is driving me nuts. How do I get this to work?
Thanks,
John
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From: Bob Koss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: detailed step setting up email for dial-up
Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:53:35 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kurt Hindenburg) writes:
> Anyone know of a detailed help for setting up email for a one user
> machine that uses ppp for dialing out.
> I've seen some general help, but not specifily for this config.
> Kurt
You didn't say which distribution you're using.
If you're using RedHat, use netcfg to specify your phone number,
login name, and password. That's all there usually is to it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Kilian)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: CD-ROM not playing audio CDs
Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:17:49 GMT
> CD, though, it doesn't come through the soundcard. I can plug
> headphones into the CD-ROM itself and hear the audio CD being played.
> I have a cable that I bought a while back that connects the CD-ROM to
> the soundcard. Playing audio CDs through the CD-ROM used to work
> fine, but now just doesn't. It doesn't work under Windows, either, so
Try to replace the cable. Check the audio connector of CD-ROM and soundcard.
Those connectors are pretty sensible to hard pulling, so if you've bad luck,
the connector or even the copper layer on the card or CD-ROM may be broken
(the latter happened on my second-hand CD-ROM).
Kili
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unix2dos
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:19:40 -0500
Bob Martin wrote:
>
> Scott Galloway wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone out there know of an easy way to convert
> > linux text files to dos text files?...that is, replace the newlines
> > with ctrl-M followed by newlines (I think that is the correct format).
> > I've tried tr but that doesn't seem to work for unix2dos...it works
> > fine for dos2unix. Much thanks in advance,
> >
> > Scott
>
> You can use the mtools utility, copy the text file to a dos floppy and
> the translation is automatic.
To repeat my answer to another question, try the Perl script
below, which would be called unix2dos in this case
#!/usr/bin/perl
while ($line = <>) {
chomp $line;
print "$line\r\n";
}
chmod it to be executable and then use it as follows
unix2dos < unixfile > dosfile
If you want to avoid redirection and just enter the filenames
on the command line, study Perl to find out how to read
command line arguments, to open files, read lines from them,
etc. It will be good for you.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo, I just erased it and I want it back!!!
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:49:39 -0500
Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\" wrote:
>
> Well, I did something stupid, I accidentally erased Lilo from my main SCSI
> drive when I was trying to erase Lilo on another removable drive. I tried
> booting from my floppy with the boot disk with no luck. How do I restore
> Lilo again? I don't want to reload Linux again if I don't have to. Thanks.
>
> Ed
>
> BTW>Is it possible to boot Win98, Linux, or NT4 with Lilo on the same
> machine?
I'm surprised you can't boot from your floppy. If you are using
RH5.1 or beyond, the boot floppy made by mkbootdisk has its own
lilo boot loader. But perhaps you messed up the first sector of
your master boot record or the first sector of the root partition.
(You don't say what you did to remove lilo.) If you have one
of those versions of Linux, you may be able to solve the
problem by booting from the boot floppy using rescue mode.
(You type rescue at the lilo prompt from the floppy, and
insert the rescue disk, which can be made by copying the image
from the CD. It is in images, and can be copied using rawrite.exe
under DOS or Windows. See the documentation on the CD.) Or
if you can't, use an installation disk and before beginning
the actual installation, use Alt-F2 to get a bash prompt.
You can then mount your root file system say on /mnt
mount /mnt/sda5 /mnt (assuming it is on sda5)
You are doing this on a ramdisk version of Linux so you may
have to first create a /mnt directory by
mkdir /mnt
Then something like
/mnt/sbin/lilo -r /mnt -C /mnt/etc/lilo.conf
should work provided your original lilo.conf file is there.
If not you may have to edit it, but you have few available
editors. (I usually resort to using ed, but few people
know how to use it. vi might work by something like
cd /mnt/etc
/mnt/usr/bin/vi lilo.conf
Before doing this, you might want to run fdisk to check
that your partitioning information is correct.
If you somehow blasted the crucial first sectors which contain
partitioning information, I don't know what you can do. When
you run lilo, it does keep a record of the previous state of
the sector where it puts the new boot loader. This is in
/boot. If you can mount the file system containing /boot
and if you ran lilo more than once so you have a previous
version to restore, you may be able to recover as follows.
Suppose you have found the the relevant copy and it is
called boot.0800. Then get in rescue mode as above and use
mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
dd if=/mnt/boot/boot.0800 of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
to restore the previous contents of the master boot record.
(To be safe, you might want first to save the sector you are
copying to by
dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/boot.sv bs=512 count=1)
If this contains the correct partition information, then
you can run lilo as described above.
I hope others will supplement this with more detailed
information. I am afraid that I can't remember all the
details, although I've done it on several occasions in
the past.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a good email client
Date: 1 Aug 1999 11:56:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I like mh because I can keep track of my mails without having to go
>into a separate email program. I've never tried mutt, but exmh
>wouldn't run on my system and I've always preferred mh-e/emacs,
>anyway.
Mutt is great!
Adam
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Adam Finkelstein
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: 1 Aug 1999 16:57:51 GMT
Hmm... if it is not possible to keep multiple versions of the same
library on a system at once and Linux has the same dll upgrade jepody,
.e. installing something upgrades or downgrades a dll cuasing other
stuff to fail, then my system must be a freak. I have libc 4, 5 and 6
(glibc 2) installed. BTW glibc 2.1.x uses ELF versions, so where changes
would break things nothing happens.
I am not sure I have much still linked to libc 4 but I know I have
things linked ot both libc 5 and libc 6, and binaries linked to both
libraries work. There *have* been problems like GNU make, which
depended on a libc bug and broke when the bug was fixed. When the bug
in GNU make was fixed that problem went away. This would seem to
contrast with M$ dll's.
As for intefaces have you read enough CS? If the inferace remains the
same you should not care about the internals. I disagree with the
strong version of this statement---the implementation determines what
is effient and sensible. IF someone replaces hyper-quick sort with
sample sort it is not something that matters (both sorts are designed
for distributed memory parallel machines).
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: screen, the program
Date: 1 Aug 1999 17:11:02 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otavio Exel) writes:
>hello all,
>I'm looking for info on the terminal multiplexer program called screen;
>it it totally impossible to find info on it using web/usenet searches
>because screen is such a common word; I'd apreciate if someone could
>point me to any of:
<rest snipped>
I *know* there is a GNU version of screen. Not sure if any other
versions are around anywhere. Can I direct your nose in the diretcion
of your favorite GNU mirror and suggest you sniff (wild guesswork
suggests "cd pub/gnu/screen" will get you to somewhere close).
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ehlen)
Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
Date: 1 Aug 1999 17:17:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner) writes:
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ehlen)
> spake unto us, saying:
>
>>The fastest SCSI and the fastest EIDE drives are really close together.
>
> How can this be when the fastest commonly available SCSI drives are all
> usually 10000rpm drives and the fastest commonly available EIDE drives
> are only 7200?
>
Good point... In fact, those 10000rpm drives are a lot faster. On the
other hand, they are noisy and - AFAIK - all of them need an extra fan, so
nobody recommends them for use in a desktop computer.
CU
Stefan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Create time
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:30:25 GMT
Hello all,
I am having a problem here. I can't figure out how to get a file's
create time. ls will only give me modified (changed) time and accessed
time. How can I get create time? Thanks in advance.
- Mujtaba Ali
P.S. I know this is not possible on FreeBSD and some other *nix. I hope
ext2 stores this info somewhere.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:40:32 -0500
James Knott wrote:
> I'm 45. My first programming experience was also Fortran in Gr 12 in
> high school. (1970/71).
I am also 45, but I got a late start: my first computational experience was with an
Apple ][ around 1980, and I bought my own a few months later. I sprang for the 48K
system, but didn't even have a floppy at first. I did a little BASIC, but soon
bought the Language Card and spent my hobbyist years writing Pascal to run under
the UCSD p-code interpreter. (Java fans are sometimes surprised to hear about that
system.)
In 1988 I took my first job in the field, playing jack-of-all trades in a VAX/VMS
environment.
By 1992 my Apple ][ had been fulminated, and I was thinking about coming back to
school, so I bought my first PC on the excuse of using it to write papers. This
was the Clone Wars period, and the company I bought from folded the same week they
shipped my order. This was also the period in which I learned to despise
MicroSoftware, because I ran a high risk of hanging my system if I so much as moved
the mouse while waiting for the results of the previous click. (Yeah, yeah, I
know: it was the hardware, or the drivers, or the guy moving the mouse, or
something.)
In the summer of '97 I bought a nice PC at the Dell Factory Outlet, and since by
then I was in a graduate research group with an all-Linux lab, I installed Linux on
it as well. Two years later I was hardly using Windows enough to justify the disk
space (an occasional game, or dialup on my bank's proprietary software), so I blew
that partition away and am now flying Linux-only.
Our research group, by the way, works with simulated neural networks and genetic
algorithms, so we consume enormous amounts of CPU time. One guy has supposedly
trained the world's largest neural network (as of a year ago, at any rate), but he
did that on a Cray. The majority of our work is done on Linux systems, either on
our desktops or else by using DQS to steal idle time in the undergraduate labs,
where there are something like 100 PCs running Linux.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: PKZIP Cracker?
Date: 1 Aug 1999 17:03:41 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger) writes:
>On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:18:40 -0400, David Mcilroy wrote:
>>I have some files I compressed from Winblows with a password, and I've
>>forgotten the password. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good
>>linux-based zip-cracker?
>IIRC, if you view it with a standard text viewer, you'll see the password
>near the beginning of the archive stored as plain-text.
>PKZIP isn't very secure.
I did not think it was quite that bad. However cracking encrypted ZIP
archives is something that could be done with a few hours on an aplle
II, or something like that, given some known plain text; easy things
to know include magic numbers. Consult your local crypto archives for
a suitable program. The FBI and its ilk crack encrypted zip archives
routinely.
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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From: "Dennis Naerebout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DHCP (host 255.255.255.255 route) how?
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:20:16 +0400
Reply-To: "Dennis Naerebout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I have just started using RedHat5.2 for 7 weeks
Configured almost everything but have still 1 problems.
My DHCP server running on the Linux box is configured according the
DHCP-mini-HOWTO.
and is working, but not after startup.
now I found that it is only working when I type:
route add -host 255.255.255.255 dev eth0
(this also explained in the DHCP-mini-HOWTO)
This because the win98 box wants to get its DHCP-IP from 255.255.255.255 as
far as I understood.
But how to do this fully automatic with the startup.
I 've tried it with network configurator from X as this gives me a nice
overview, but I
am not able to route 255.255.255.255 as HOST in there.
Is there somebody who can help me out?
Thanks in advance,
Dennis.
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