Linux-Misc Digest #243, Volume #25 Wed, 26 Jul 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Transparent desktop icons (James McIntyre)
telnet scripting (jtoy)
Re: soundblaster live driver install (Marc)
'Possible to remotely run root through telnet? ("Steve Buxton")
Re: UPS with serial port (Alex Chu)
complaints (oneal nichols)
complaints (oneal nichols)
RE: Project Management Apps ("Miguel Mart�nez")
BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 57: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion
`! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! (Peter Eddy)
frame grabber API (Ian Mortimer)
Re: X-Window must die! What's alternative? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: fido (Pete Zaitcev)
Re: 'Possible to remotely run root through telnet? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Kernel compile...it just gets worse (Martha H Adams)
Re: complaints
Re: 'Possible to remotely run root through telnet? (-ljl-)
Re: telnet scripting (Frank da Cruz)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (Jonathan Neve)
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From: James McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Transparent desktop icons
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:14:19 GMT
How do I make my dektop icons trasnparent?
TIA
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From: jtoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: telnet scripting
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:45:47 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it possible to write telnet scripts in BASH? If so, How can I write
a telnet script in bash that will execute a few commands like 'ls and
'pwd'. Are there any other solutions that are already on a basic
2.2.14-15 linux distribution?
--
Jason Toy
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://toy.eyep.net
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From: Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: soundblaster live driver install
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:52:29 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What is the normal way?
> This is my first install, just trying to get everything to work for now.
>
> thanks for the reply :)
>
> --
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> http://www.help.com/
RPM's are installed by typing rpm -ivh <package>.rpm
This usually installs the binairy(precompiled) packages to the
appropriate directories.
Gzip packages are unzipt with tar -xvfz <package>.tar.gz (or tgz).
Then read the readme/install file included.
Mostly you will have to compile it using the make and make install
commando.
good luck,
--
Marc
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From: "Steve Buxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 'Possible to remotely run root through telnet?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:50:01 GMT
I want to be able to remotely administer my Redhat workstation connected to
the internet. Can I do this through a remote shell?
Steve
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From: Alex Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: UPS with serial port
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:52:07 -0400
Brian Hall wrote:
>
> How did you get them to send you a cable? You can pay for one via the
> website, that's all I've found. I have a BackUPS 500 I bought a couple of
> years ago, and it didn't come with the cable or software. Am I entitled to a
> free Linux cable, and if so how do I get it?
>
I bought a BackUPS 500 about a week ago. It did not come with cable and
software either. I believe you have to register (or something like that)
for the product and send back some stuff or via their web site. I sent
out the registration form few days ago and haven't received anything
yet. It might take a few weeks. You might still be able to get it...
It really should come with the cable and software...
Sincerely.
Alex.
> >Make sure you get the cable that works with Linux. They have two cables and
> >have a tendency to send the Windows cable out by default without asking. Mine
> >didn't work so I called them. They sent me a Linux cable out free of charge. I
> >got it two days later and it worked like a charm after I installed it.
>
> --
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> Linux Consultant
>
> The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
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From: oneal nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: complaints
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:26:34 GMT
I was interested enough to install redhat 6.0 on my computer. I had
difficulty, but it's now in there along with Win 98. I had trouble with
setting up resolution, now after long time, got it working. Now I find
that modem won't work if it's PCI or winmodem (according to
documentation). My printer won't work either.
I installed linux to learn the system but have spent all my time just
trying to get all components to work (which don't). Even if Win 98 is
unfair monopoly, it works with comparatively little fuss.
I'm disillusioned with Linux. I'll leave it on my system (probably
difficult to even uninstall it) and tinker with it in spare time but it
just ain't what it's cracked up to be!
Oneal
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From: oneal nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: complaints
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:30:16 GMT
I was interested enough to install redhat 6.0 on my computer. I had
difficulty, but it's now in there along with Win 98. I had trouble with
setting up resolution, now after long time, got it working. Now I find
that modem won't work if it's PCI or winmodem (according to
documentation). My printer won't work either.
I installed linux to learn the system but have spent all my time just
trying to get all components to work (which don't). Even if Win 98 is
unfair monopoly, it works with comparatively little fuss.
I'm disillusioned with Linux. I'll leave it on my system (probably
difficult to even uninstall it) and tinker with it in spare time but it
just ain't what it's cracked up to be!
Oneal
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From: "Miguel Mart�nez" <miguel.mp@navegaliaPUNTOcom>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: RE: Project Management Apps
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:56:00 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi� en el mensaje de noticias
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> What project management apps are available
> for Linux and/or FreeBSD? I'm looking for
> something similar to MS Project or P3 to be
> used for construction management rather than
> software development.
>
> Greg
>
>
The only stuff currently available (I think) is QtGantt
(http://www.gumbley.demon.co.uk/qtgantt.html), which is under development,
and just provides Gantt diagrams (at the moment ;)). There is another one,
KProject (http://rs45.bv.tu-berlin.de/JOCHEN/KPROJECT/kproject.php3), which
looks "dead".
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From: Peter Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 57: elf_get_dynamic_info:
Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed!
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:59:34 -0400
I'm seeing this on RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.16-3 when I try to login.
I've even tried rebooting and same thing. I can't login remotely nor
can I login from the console. I can use other services of the machine,
such as nfs/smb with no problem.
Anyone know how to fix this? I'm kindof stuck.
Peter
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From: Ian Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.robotics.misc
Subject: frame grabber API
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:59:22 +0000
Hi all,
If anyone is interested there is an API for frame grabbing from a bt848
video card (eg. a Hauppage WinTV) under Linux and IRIX (SGI)
Just include the file in your source (C, C++ and limited Java support),
call video_grab() and it returns a pointer to the image.
Could be handy if, like me, you've been trying for weeks to figure out
how the heck to get an image from your CCD into memory !
Rgds,
Ian.
Better include the link, eh -
http://vase.essex.ac.uk (the software section contains the .tgz)
PS: Sorry for the cross post :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: X-Window must die! What's alternative?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:13:32 +0100
Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> Hello there,
> I read an article "X must die." in www.linux.com.
> Is there X-Window alternative?
I did hear that they were working on a replacement to X called "Y" a few
years ago...
No idea whatever became of that though...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Zaitcev)
Subject: Re: fido
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:31:28 GMT
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:02:17 -1000, Ron Nicholls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is a fido mail reader available for linux
Gateway it into INN with ifmail, then use slrn.
--Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: 'Possible to remotely run root through telnet?
Date: 26 Jul 2000 19:38:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:50:01 GMT, Steve Buxton wrote:
>I want to be able to remotely administer my Redhat workstation connected to
>the internet. Can I do this through a remote shell?
Of course you can, but:
0. Don't use telnet, use ssh
1. You can't directly log in as root if you're not at the console--log
in as a normal user and su to root.
ssh is available all over the place. Do a websearch on Openssh or go to
http://www.ssh.com/ for the goods. Once you've installed ssh and gotten
the sshd daemon up and running on the machine you want to connect to,
close off the telnet port as telnet is much less secure than ssh.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martha H Adams)
Subject: Re: Kernel compile...it just gets worse
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:37:00 GMT
I haven't tried to do a CD burner yet, but out of my past experience and
from following usenet, I've got a couple of comments.
Firstly, I think it's really strange that Linux which is said to be so up
to date, has used this SCSI / IDE kluge for years now to run IDE burners
rather than doing it right. *I don't know* how come this is.
Concerning the particular problems here, I believe if one computer fits
into your life, you want at least two running. Your serious work in one
of them; hassling around in the other. If you have this extra machine,
then, my third comment is,
Tear down your hardware and reassemble with a *minimum basic* setup: mboard,
video card, HD. See it work. Then add *one* item, like you throw in the
SCSI emulation: see it work. Then add *one* item, like your CD burner,
which is the principal irritant right now; see it work. As you do this,
keep a list of which interrupts you're using -- I wouldn't be surprised if
a shared interrupt is at the bottom of your problems.
There's a reason why "plug and pray" refers to "plug and play". If you have
this plug and play thing, and you can disable it, then you can set your
board interrupt manually and then *you know what it is*.
Cheers -- Martha Adams
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: complaints
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:51:36 -0400
> I was interested enough to install redhat 6.0 on my computer.
>I had difficulty, but it's now in there along with Win 98.
Strange. First time I setup Linux, it was RH 5.0 , and I wiped out NT WK
4.0 to make room for it :)
Then I Installed RH 6.0 into a computer that had w98, and w2k ( on separate
partitions). Been working perfectly. I don't use that lame boot loader that
comes along with NT . LILO works just fine without messing with the boot
sector, unlike NTLDR
>I had trouble with setting up resolution, now after long time, got it
working.
Of course. One needs a calculator to mess with the xf86config file . A
little knowledge of crt's is useful, but you get that when you read the
monitor.doc file , where it is explained how to setup screens. granted, i
spent a weekend fiddling with xvidtune to get my setup right.
>Now I find
> that modem won't work if it's PCI or winmodem (according to
> documentation).
That's because they are not following certain standards. I have no respect
for win modems that offload dsp processing into the cpu . I learnt with the
old isa 14.4 modems, so the Win modems is like using margarene instead of
real butter . The reason linux does not support them is that the
manufacturers do not provide linux drivers for them, nor do they provide the
source code or docs to write one on our own.
All the modems that I've used have worked out well with linux because they
are hardware modems ( Real ones ).
> My printer won't work either.
Well, I have a hp that works fine with windows. When I need to print, I boot
into win98 and get it done . I haven't bothered to set it up under linux .
> I installed linux to learn the system but have spent all my time just
> trying to get all components to work (which don't).
i actually understand you , because I had quite a time setting up samba to
work on the lan here, to use domain authentication.
>Even if Win 98 is
> unfair monopoly, it works with comparatively little fuss.
The monopoly drives it . you don't write for it, you are missing a large %
of the home market.
> I'm disillusioned with Linux.
Each according to their own.
>I'll leave it on my system (probably
> difficult to even uninstall it) and tinker with it in spare time
Where did you put lilo ? In the MBR ? or in linux partition ?
If the latter, use fdisk to delete the linux partition(s) , and set the
windows partition as active.
If you put lino into the MBR, I am not sure. You will have to consult some
of the Microsoft docs on what the /MBR command does . I think it restores
the mbr, but to what state ? Does it nuke the existing partition table ? I
don't know.
> but it just ain't what it's cracked up to be!
It may not be the best desk top solution , but try this with an NTserver :
1) Run a transparent proxy to share internet connection with two other
computers.
2) Provide file and print sharing services
3) Schedule programs to connect to the internet through a dial up account
a )At a particular time say 0100 dial out ( no one must be logged in )
to the isp.
b) execute some program like a scripted ftp.
c) Shut down the computer at a particular time.
4) provide a local Caching DNS
5) Do all this on an old 386/486 whose total cost today is < $40
I'd like to see (1) being done with just what is installed by the NT
installation :-) .
Also try the following with NT :
set the comp to boot no matter any errors : no keyboard, no Video card .
Just ethernet and modem cards. NT will not work (at least WK & server
won't )
Linux will .it'll boot up, start the network services and proceed as usual.
I am assuming that without the video card, and keyboard, you will not be
running X on it ( why would you ). Such a capability is good for a server.
While you use the linux comp as a gateway to our isp, start a download .
Then use telnet to go to the gateway, and proceed to prepare and mount a new
partition, without ever rebooting the comp.
another thing : If the graphical system is not working, that doesn't mean
the computer is useless. there is a command shell that is as powerful, if
not more , than the GUI .
The GUI and the OS are two separate things. The UI can be changed to what
you want.
What I am getting at is, NT and the other MS stuff is flashy and easy to
setup. But when I tried to use it for something ( like for a gateway , and
firewalling ) i had to go get software from elsewhere . Also the hardware
requirements are a bit heavy.
On the whole I have better luck working with Linux than NT, for server type
work that is .
regards,
joseph
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'Possible to remotely run root through telnet?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:36:29 GMT
In article <tpGf5.45301$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Steve Buxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to be able to remotely administer my Redhat workstation
connected to
> the internet. Can I do this through a remote shell?
Yes but _don't_, that's no secure. You'll want to use a secure
connection: think rssh will do that. There may be a secure telnet.
Remember, foil password snooping.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: telnet scripting
Date: 26 Jul 2000 20:02:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jtoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is it possible to write telnet scripts in BASH? If so, How can I write
: a telnet script in bash that will execute a few commands like 'ls and
: 'pwd'. Are there any other solutions that are already on a basic
: 2.2.14-15 linux distribution?
:
C-Kermit is a Telnet client with a built-in scripting language allowing
you to automate anything you would do by hand on a Telnet connection:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
Sample scripts can be found here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
The latest version of C-Kermit (7.0) is in some Linux distributions,
not in others. and in still others, it's an optional or extra package.
For example, in the latest Red Hat, it's in the Power Tools set.
- Frank
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From: Jonathan Neve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:42:21 +0200
Kelly and Sandy wrote:
>
> In a alt.os.linux.mandrake newsletter entitled "Operating systems for
> personal-computers?", Brice WERNET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> >> I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newsletter
> >> what viable personal computer operating systems are available today,
> >> besides your Microsoft.
> >>
> >> There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
> >That's right
> >> There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one.
> >I HATE this one. Or, I HATE KDE and enlightenment. Too heavy. Linux
> >itself is very messy. Not for average computer user.
>
> I think the KDE GUI is delightful work. In my ever-so-'umble
> opinion (IMHO), X-Windows Linux is still too geeky, hmm, that's too weak
> a word for it. Obstinate, officious, and snitty.
As someone else mentioned, that's a pretty silly way of putting it, as
KDE uses and needs X-Windows! As for X-Windows being "geeky", I don't
know: most geeks avoid using X at all. Besides, apart from the
configuration, it's very easy to use.
> However... that KDE... whew... despite it's geekdom
> 15-year-old-appealing "taskbar",
I was 15 just last year and it didn't appeal to me then!(it still
doesn't; it reminds me too much of Windozzze).
> the KDE-based Linux system is _nearly_ usable and useful to a computer
> literate (but non-"IT") person. But it's hardly something to choose for
> non-computer work. Vi and emacs might be great for computy, wizardry
> work, but it's a total F-off for someone who's got to send of 20,000 to
> their publisher by next Tuesday. (These people tend to have 100+ icons
> arrayed over their entire Windows 98 desktop.) And it's a headache for
> scientists and engineers, who have to use computers as tools, rather
> than ends in themselves.
What utter rubbish!!!!
Computers, as all tools, TAKE SOME GETTING USED TO AND LEARNING ABOUT!!
Ok, if you dream up some silly, easy-to-use interface, you can make a
computer USABLE, even to someone without any knoledge of computers; but
no scientist would expect as much of the other tools/machines he uses
every day(eg if he works in some laboratory)! Windows has presented the
general public one such intuitive interface, accompanied with a couple
simple ideas(it doesn't take much, as there isn't a lot to know about
their stupid system!), and knowing this has always been enough for them
to use the system. Then comes a better(technicaly; there's no arguing
that) ,and hence more complex system. You shouldn't act surprised if all
the ideas the general public has got used to have to change, and if they
have to relearn how to use a computer!
But once you know the system(as in, know how to use it), Linux is no
more difficult to use than Windows. Everyone is trying to make Linux as
easy to use as Windows TO SOMEONE HAVING SWITCHED FROM ONE TO ANOTHER
WITHOUT TRYING TO(NOR WANTING TO) LEARN HOW TO USE HIS NEW SYSTEM.
Because guess what: Linux IS different from Windows, and I don't see
what's wrong with that! It's only annoying if you refuse to learn the
new system. Linux IS hard to use to someone who tries to use it as he
would Windows!
But if your cheriched scientists, engineers, and writers would spend a
bit of time (it doesn't take all that much) getting to know the new
tools they are to work with, then, and only then, would they be in a
position to compare. Once they know both products, they can use the one
they like best, but they would have to be pretty daft(I'm afraid many
people must be, or else they just don't think) to use what is despised
by all the experts as a mediocre product instead of one that is reputed
to be good, on the mere basis that they can't be bothered to change
their way of doing things a bit, and learn how to use the better of the
two systems. Once they've learned what you need to learn in order to use
Unix and its utilities, they will probably find(after all, many people
tried, and it worked for them) that the Unix versions are usually
better. Besides, let alone the utilities; don't your scientists ever
find it a nuisance to have to reboot every now and then when Windows
comes crashing down with an error message of the type "Microsoft
Internet Explorer has done something terribly wrong. It(they say "it",
but they mean "Your system as a whole") will have to be shut down. If
this problem occurs again, please contact your local retailer!", or
worst still(this has actually happened, strange though it may seem), a
similar message, replacing MS IE with "Kernel32" !!!?
Use Windows if you like(or at least try to, for as long as it's willing
to run), but please don't desperately try to defend it on the grounds of
logic and commun sense. Please stop pretending there's any logical
reason to be using such junk. From then on you can do as you like, no
matter how stupid it may be!
> Many of these people are extremely competent
> programmers in their own right. The astronomer Dr Rachael Padman has
> written an article mourning the decision taken in her scientific circles
> to abandon VMS and jump onto the UNIX bandwagon, and in the process
> given a wonderfully honest appraisal of UNIX: A command-line system
> which kicks off by replying that the word 'help' is not meaningful.
>
> http://galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl/~szymon/books/requiem_unix.txt
>
> Her article has been reprinted recently, in a book (forthcoming?)
> called "The UNIX-haters handbook". My wife has already asked for it for
> Christmas! I was introduced to UNIX back in the late '70s, so I'm lucky
> that I have experiences and memories enough to combat the god-awful
> snittiness of today's computer-world and Internet newsgroups. Born of
> the '60s, Unix started off liberating computer users (Ok, we were all
> programmers then). Today it's used to rope them off and hem them in.
> Which is not surprising, considering that today, everyone seems to want
> to, or need to, encapsulate themselves in tighter and tighter boxes.
> The "I'm cool" box now being most ubiquitous.
>
What on earth do you mean by Unix "roping people off and heming them in"
?!?
Everyone's free to use whichever system they want!
> Oh dear, lots of highly inflammable material again.
Indeed, quite a bit!
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Sandy
Jonathan Neve.
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