Linux-Misc Digest #387, Volume #21               Fri, 13 Aug 99 14:13:17 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Project Management software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: expect scripts and setting passwords (Jon Skeet)
  Re: prinitng a man page (toby)
  Optimizing vmware (Ketil Z Malde)
  Re: ATI RAGE PRO (Doug DeJulio)
  Sound at half the speed ("Kerry J. Cox")
  Re: crontab problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Questions (Johanna White)
  Sound module failed ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: What I think of linux. (Groman)
  Re: I need Quicken and Outlook replacements for Linux (Stuart R. Fuller)
  MP3 with Linux (Benjamin Jungbluth)
  Cd Recording with Linux (Benjamin Jungbluth)
  suse 6.0 converting file ("Reinhold Just")
  Re: public health VS. medical research (Marco Anglesio)
  how to install an application (root)
  Re: How do I remove a hard drive? (John Thompson)
  Re: crontab problems ("Dave Ewart")
  Re: What is Applixware? (John Forkosh)
  Re: Cd Recording with Linux (Philipp Maier)
  Get your political discussions outta here! ("Christopher R. Carlen")
  Internet connecting - DHCP instead of DNS (Philip Morgan)
  Re: What I think of linux. (David Mitchell)
  Re: CIA assassinations (Martin R. Green)
  Re: telnet question (Frank da Cruz)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Project Management software
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:01:24 GMT

Advanced Management Solutions makes a suite of project management
software (planning, resource management, cost management and
timesheets) that runs on multiple platforms including Linux.

They are on the web at www.amsrealtime.com.



In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Sergey Gribov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anybody knows any Project Management software under Linux?
> Something like MSProject...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> //====================================================================
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>         Sergey Gribov                   |   A specialist is someone
who
>  E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]                | learns more and more about
less
>          [EMAIL PROTECTED]              | and less, and ends up
knowing
>  WWW: http://www.sergey.com/            | everything about nothing...
>
>      Head of Software Projects          Compugen Inc.
>
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>
>


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: expect scripts and setting passwords
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:21:37 +0100

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We have since gone to Red Hat 6.0 Linux on a PII-400 for email.  The
> expect rpm was installed by default during the install so I have not
> done anything with it.  I have attempted to use the same scripts that
> we used on our SUN with little success.  The add accounts script is
> working fine, but the EXPECT script is not.

<snip>

Well, I thought I'd give it a whirl on my RedHat 5.1 (or 5.2 - can't 
remember) system... and it worked first time. Sorry about that...

FWIW, rpm -q expect gives:
expect-5.24-16

-- 
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/

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From: toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: prinitng a man page
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:47:39 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Mahmood Ezad Butt wrote:

> What command do we give to print a man page ???

man <cmd> | lpr -P<printer>

toby


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Crossposted-To: comp.emulators.misc
Subject: Optimizing vmware
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:13:33 GMT


Hi

VMware looks great, although I haven't gotten around to testing it on
a "real" computer yet, only a meagre P133 over a slow network, and
with neither floppy nor CD to boot an OS from.

I might use it to run a bunch of instances of Windows in order to test 
programs, and one thing that worries me, is the memory consumption.
Booting more vmware inststances than I could fit into physical memory, 
seemed like a really poor idea - the computer went from a brisk pace
to a crawl in no time.

Does anybody have any experience booting several instances of NT with,
say, 16Mb each, and leaving it to Linux to manage virtual memory for them?
(I.e. I'd expect any VMware/NT instance that needed a lot of memory
intensively to swap like mad, but Linux should quickly have the
necessary parts of the VM's disk image in cache anyway, and the
swapping should be a lot faster than going to disk.)

Any experimental data here?  Suggestions to optimum memory allocation
for various Windows versions?  Any benchmarks or estimates on how much
swapping to Linux' disk cache costs?

-kzm
-- 
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug DeJulio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: ATI RAGE PRO
Date: 13 Aug 1999 09:30:06 -0400

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dave  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Am using SuSe 6.1 which lists ATI Rage Pro as unsupported but i have 
>configured linux/xserver to use the driver for ATI Mach 64 which seems ok 
>but my screen looks to be thining at one end am i imagining it? or is 
>there a driver fo the ATI Rage Pro. Many thanks from a newbie.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't "Mach 64" describe the 2d chipset and
"Rage Pro" describe the 3d chipset on the same card?

I've got a Rage Pro based card (XPert @Work), and it works with the
XFree86 Mach 64 driver without a hitch -- but no 3D acceleration is
available.  It also works with the Mach 64 kernel framebuffer driver.
-- 
Doug DeJulio      | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HKS, Incorporated | http://www.hks.net/~ddj/

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From: "Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound at half the speed
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:26:22 -0600

I have a generic SB 16 sound card.  When I do a  "play message.wav"  it
sounds great and works fine, but when I do a "cat message.wav >
/dev/dsp" it plays at half the speed, and then when I do a "cat
message.wav > /dev/audio" it play at half the speed and is garbled.
Anyone know why.  I am using sox-12.16 and it's the very latest
version.  Is there another sound program that I need to upgrade to as
well?
I'm using RH 6.0 with the 2.2.11 kernel with the sound configured
manually, not as modules in the kernel.  IRQ is 5, etc.  CD-ROM plays
audio CDs just fine, but MP3s play at half the speed also.
Thanks.
KJ

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| [EMAIL PROTECTED]         Systems Administrator           |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: crontab problems
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:37:34 GMT

Hmmm... I was afraid you'd say that.
My script is just one big comment.  It does absolutely nothing.
But, I'll double check again.

Thanks for the suggestion.

-Godwin DaVinci
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hello.
> >
> >I have SuSE 6.1 and I've been getting some strange errors using
> >cron.  I'm hoping you can help me.
> >
> >As root, I 'crontab -e' and put the following entry:
> >[at 3am everyday]  /path/myscript.ksh
> <snip>
>
> It sounds like the problem is in the script, not cron.
>
> Gergo
>
> --
> Thus spake the master programmer:
>       "Without the wind, the grass does not move.  Without software,
>       hardware is useless."
>               -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"
>
> GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
> PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
>


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johanna White)
Subject: Questions
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:44:16 GMT

- When will the DEC C compiler for Linux be available?
- Is there a limit to the number of user IDs, and/or the number of
groups, in Linux?  I heard that the limit for UIDs was 2^15.
- Is Linux incompatable with large automount tables?
- Does Linux have NFS 2 performance problems, or a need for NFS 3?, or
what is the performance on Linux, with respect to the SPEC NFS
benchmark, and what is the NFS 3 availability?
ANY ideas, thoughts, answers would be helpful!
Thanks, 
Johanna

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Sound module failed
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:41:37 GMT

Hi folks,

  I have a Sound Blaster 16 sound card and it worked fine with
  RehHat 5.1, however, I have recently upgraded to RH6.0 and
  the midi interface has stopped working.

  I used sndconfig to configure the card, although the first sound
  clip came out ok (a guy talking), when it tried to test
  a midi clip, it says something like " the test has failied due
  to the following error:", but nothing was indicated, which
  left me clueless about what happened.

  There is one thing that is worth mentioning, I got a red [FAILED]
  message saying "sound: Device is busy" when it tried to load
  somekind of module during the boot up process.

  Could some kind soul out there shed some light on this,
  thanks a million



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From: Groman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:49:55 -0700

still remember prince of persia? I still have and play  prince of persia 1(I hate pop
2)


Mith wrote:

> Tim Hanson wrote:
> >
> > alann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >You're right, somewhat.  I would be curious as to the average age of Linux
> > >users.  I'm 34.  First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET.
> > >That was a LONG time ago.  Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
> >
> > 51 here.  My first was a Radio Shack PC-2 (still around here someplace), then an
>
> Ya'll are makin me feel really young... 16... first computer experience
> was a Apple IIe I believe.... first computer owned was a 286... (later
> down the road I did own an XT though... I still rememeber Prince of
> Persia... hehe.. that game kicked! and the gui it had was sooooo much
> better than windows... I cant remember what it was the system is at a
> freinds) I never had the pleasure of using a C64... I used DOS over
> windows religiously until Win95 came out (had to play those games!!!)...
> In '97 I fooled around with slackware but never really got the system
> stable and switched back to winblowz... But once again I've gotten sick
> of M$ (and the fact that my computer likes to spontaniously reboot
> itself?) and as soon as my dad gets a shipment of writeable cds @ work
> I'm installing RH6.0 (because I got hooked last week when I had to goto
> work with him)...




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: I need Quicken and Outlook replacements for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:10:01 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I need to locate descent Quicken and Outlook replacements for Linux.
: Does anyone know if Inuit is developing a Linux version?

Intuit might know.  Did you ask them?

        Stu

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From: Benjamin Jungbluth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MP3 with Linux
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:11:14 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi!
   Does anybody know a MP3- Player for Linux which can handle the
playlists of the Winamp 2.20 correctly?

Bye
   Benjamin Jungbluth


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From: Benjamin Jungbluth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cd Recording with Linux
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:09:04 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi!
   Does anybody know where to get a good program to burn cd's. Maybe
something like WinOnCD?

Bye
   Benjamin Jungbluth


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From: "Reinhold Just" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: suse 6.0 converting file
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:07:45 +0200

hi
i have a dos text file (notepad from windows). i want to sort it in linux
suse 6.0. when i open the file it says on the bottom dos format. where is
the difference and how can i convert it.

thanks RJ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: public health VS. medical research
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:03:12 GMT

On 13 Aug 1999 10:32:45 GMT, Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Not that either system is optimal, but most americans can't afford the
>>fruits of the US's vast expenditures on medical research, either. Believe
>>it or not, good public health is a matter of promoting some relatively
>>inexpensive fundamentals. 
>
>Like public hygience, stopping tuberculosis, or the bubonic plague. These
>are problems only in the USA. Compared to these things, research is utterly
>irrelevant.

No, they're problems everywhere. Look at TB in prisoner or aboriginal
populations in Canada, for example. There is a significant and serious
rate of infection.

The difference is that in most other first world states, especially those
with socialized health systems, more or less emphasis is put on correcting
them as a matter of the public good rather than on a user-pay basis. (And
that isn't to blame on the US's public health efforts, either, which have
done good work; they're merely, if merely is the word, chronically
underfunded, relatively unsupported, and quite often politically suspect
for legislators).

marco

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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to install an application
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:54:54 +0000


Can anybody teach me how to install an application in LINUX please...??
Every time I type ./configure then I get message like :

--error gcc .........(etc)
--error cc ............(etc)

And if you download a free software, can i just put it under root
directory ? Or will it settle by itself during installation process....?

Thanks in advance.

(linux user just one hour ago....!!)


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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How do I remove a hard drive?
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:22:21 -0600

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have installed RedHat 6.0
> I have 3 hard drives in my machine.
> hda1 is the Win98 drive
> hdb1 is unused
> hdc1 has RedHat 6.0 on it.
> 
> I've installed lilo. I can boot to Windoze or Linux.
> Here's the problem. I want to remove hdb1 so I can stick it in another
> machine. If I go into the BIOS and tell the system that this drive
> does not exist then lilo will not boot the system. It displays a bunch
> of L1 and L0 characters but won't boot.
> hdb1 is not listed in fstab or lilo.conf.

First, make sure you have some working linux boot
diskettes.  When you removed hdb, what was hdc became hdb
and lilo was not able to find your kernel anymore.  That's
why it craps out when you try to reboot.  So, boot from your
linux boot floppies and edit /etc/fstab to change references
to hdc to hdb instead, edit /etc/lilo.conf to tell lilo to
look for the kernel on hdb instead of hdc.  Re-run lilo to
write the changes and reboot.

-- 

-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: "Dave Ewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: crontab problems
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:05:06 +0100

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7p1e3u$24u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hmmm... I was afraid you'd say that.
> My script is just one big comment.  It does absolutely nothing.
> But, I'll double check again.

Is the script executable?

Dave.

--
Dave Ewart, Computing Manager
Imperial Cancer Research Fund (Cancer Epidemiology Unit), Oxford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Re: What is Applixware?
Date: 13 Aug 1999 10:58:39 -0400

Gerald Willmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On 12 Aug 1999, John Forkosh wrote:

: > : I have experience with both
: > snip
: > : The solution I finally settled on was the real Word and Excel running with
: > : vmware.  This works well as long as you don't have to go to really
: > : heavy loads where the vmware performance hit becomes more evident.
: > : This is more likely to happen with very big spreadsheets or documents
: > : with very heavy graphics, say 7 or 8 large figures (half to full page).
: > 
: > Thanks, Tom.  Your solution speaks volumes.  Sounds like you made
: > diligent effort with both, but concluded that neither provided
: > sufficiently transparent workalike functionality for serious work.
: > Too bad, but your recommendation sounds like the only way to go at
: > the present time.  Thanks again,
: > John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

: well, I bought Applixware in 96 and have used it ever since for my work
: and don't have any complaints. Doesn't look as colorful and fancy as the
: new M$/Star Office but certainly does the job and is much lighter memory
: wise.
Oh, yeah, I agree.  My problem is other peoples' work with MS Word,
and integrating my own work with it.  I can't dictate what features
they'll use, and therefore need _real_good_ compatiblity.

: As for imports/exports, they only work up to some degree (although I
: was really amazed the other day to see that Staroffice even imports M$
: equations).
Import/export is a sine qua non for my purposes.  No one will be happy
if I corrupt their work during an import/modify/export cycle.

: In the end, it's always a bad idea to let yourself be locked
: in by some proprietary format (be it .doc, .aw, or .wp)
I couldn't agree more.  The S/W review of Applixware mentioned that
all its native file formats are (printable) ascii, rather than
even more cryptic binary, which I consider an advantage.  Of course,
you'd still need an independent parser/interpreter, but at least
the file is a little more portable.

: but it's a bit cumbersome to write every little thing using tex.
Here I disagree.  Personally, I use LaTeX as much as possible,
whenever possible.  It's more portable to more platforms than
anything else ... far, far more portable.  And the commitment of
the TeX community is far more comforting than that of any
commercial vendor I've ever seen.  Their "attitude" is also more
comforting, e.g., consider the outstanding backward compatibility
of LaTeX2e with the earlier LaTeX 2.09.
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

And Brian wrote:
:Not for me!  Star Office 5.1 has no compatability problems with M$ Office 
:(up to and including 97) that I have found.  It's also free for personal use, 
:where vmware certainly isn't.  There isn't the same performance degradation, 
:either.
:It will cost you NOTHING to try SO 5.1, and I'd strongly suggest you do so. 

Yeah, I'd like to try it.  But for me, the freeness isn't so much
related to the package's cost, but rather to the time spent climbing
its learning curve in order to evaluate it.  Since I usually spend
a fair amount of time per session with MS Word, the overhead of
dual-booting between NT (for documentation, communication, etc)
and Linux (for program development) isn't usually prohibitive.
But it's sometimes a pain in the neck that I'd just as soon avoid
if avoiding it doesn't cause even more pain.
Thanks for remarks,
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: Philipp Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cd Recording with Linux
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:31:28 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Benjamin Jungbluth wrote:
> 
> Hi!
>    Does anybody know where to get a good program to burn cd's. Maybe
> something like WinOnCD?

XCDRoast. Should come with your distribution (at least SuSE has it),
otherwise try
http://www.fh-muenchen.de/home/ze/rz/services/projects/xcdroast/e_overview.html

PM
-- 

Psion Serie 5mx Pro, SuSE Linux, Sylt and Maerklin mini-club:

www.crosswinds.net/~pmaier

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From: "Christopher R. Carlen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Get your political discussions outta here!
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:07:40 -0400

This newsgroup is for discussing Linux.

Please take political discussions to a political newsgroup.

Thanks.
-- 
_____________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
My OS is Linux 2.0.29

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Morgan)
Subject: Internet connecting - DHCP instead of DNS
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:12:35 GMT

Windows doesn't need DNS numbers to connect (it uses DHCP?). Why does
Linux (and BeOS for that matter) need DNS numbers then?

(My ISP insists it's possible to set up under DHCP)

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From: David Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:22:21 +0100

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nick Ruisi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Im 25
>First computer was an Atari 400 (16 KB ram, 1.76Mhz, audio cassete based 
>storage)
>
>
>Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> Bud Rogers wrote:
>> >
>> > Mith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > Tim Hanson wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > alann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >You're right, somewhat.  I would be curious as to the average age of 
>Linux
>> > > > >users.  I'm 34.  First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore 
>PET.
>> > > > >That was a LONG time ago.  Right now there are a gazillion Windows 
>users.
>> > > >
>> > > > 51 here.  My first was a Radio Shack PC-2 (still around here someplace), 
>then an
>> > >
>> > > Ya'll are makin me feel really young... 16... first computer experience
>> > > was a Apple IIe I believe.... first computer owned was a 286... (later
>> > > down the road I did own an XT though...
>> >
>> > 48.  TRS-80 -- remember those?  I had a Level II with Expansion
>> > Interface.  A whopping 48 KB of memory and *two* 5.25" floppies.  Then
>> > a Color Computer, XT clone, [234]86 clones, couple of pentiums and a
>> > PII.
>> >
>> > DOS 3 to 6.22, OS9, Win3.x, Slackware, SuSE, Debian...
>>
>> I'm 43
>> I still own (and sometimes use) my first personal computer
>> (I used many others before purchasing one). It's a Cromemco
>> Z2 (4 MHz Z-80, 48Kb memory, 2 8" floppy disks, 300 baud modem)
>>
>> I've advanced since then.
>>
>> --
>> Lew Pitcher
>>
>> Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
>
>
>

My first computer was an abacus.

But you try telling the youth of today that.

-- 
==========================================================================
David Mitchell             =====  A life spent making mistakes is not only
================================  more honourable but more useful than a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] =====  life spent doing nothing. - GBS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin R. Green)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:27:04 GMT

On 13 Aug 1999 07:01:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:

>>SCNR, but it's like that. Not all companies that deserve to lose lose.
>>We should know that.
>
>Some people do. Some people have moved beyond this and understand
>that those companies that succeed almost always deserve to lose.
>It has to do with the fact that success is tied to Power and if
>you focus on power then you deserve to lose.

Well, there you have it folks, our friend from Carleton U, believes
that success itself is wrong. No wonder he is so full of shit. BTW,
Communists ALWAYS have to resort to power to maintain their position,
since in a free society, any system that rewards everyone equally
(that is, poorly), regardless of their contribution would eventually
collapse when the high performers finally get sick of being sucked
dry.

Communism, and to a lesser extent, Socialism, thrive on the lowest
common denominator. Not only is excellence discouraged, but
individuals are ridiculed and harassed if they show any sign of
raising their head above the crowd.

And one of the primary examples of this...

Demonize success!

If you don't believe this, try and increase your output in any
strongly unionized company. I guarantee you you will be visited
quietly by the shop steward and "shown the light". And yes, this has
happened to me, so I know whereof I speak.

An award-winning business analyst, economist and Baptist preacher here
in NA said a few years ago that the only place left in the world where
Communism is taken absolutely seriously is on the University campuses
of North America. Ain't it the truth!


CIAO - Martin.

PS. Richard, may you enjoy the lifetime of poverty and hardship that
your twisted viewpoints will earn you at the hands of us "filthy
capitalist pigs".

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: telnet question
Date: 13 Aug 1999 15:19:30 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, me  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is there a way to transfer files from a computer i've telnetted to, to
: my own computer ?
: 
: eg. if i telnetted to server abc.com, is there a way to copy files
: directly from that computer (ie. abc.com) to my computer (ie localhost)?
: 
The obvious answers are ftp, rcp, scp, etc etc.  If you are asking this
question because you don't know about them, then the other responses have
already answered you.

If you are really asking: "can I transfer files over my Telnet connection?"
the answer is "yes, if you use a Telnet client that includes file transfer
capability", such as Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

which is available for Windows, Linux, UNIX in general, DOS, and many other
platforms.

- Frank

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