Linux-Misc Digest #445, Volume #21 Wed, 18 Aug 99 06:13:10 EDT
Contents:
broken X Font server - can no longer boot up ("Shaniellys Varyne Seet")
looking for a news picture sucker (Xavier SERPAGGI)
Re: What I think of linux. (James Knott)
Re: tn3270 questions; need help (Raymonds Doetjes)
Re: accessing windows files under linux ("Christopher Lu")
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? (Phillip Deackes)
Slackware vs SuSE vs Debian vs Redhat vs .... ("Johan Hartzenberg")
Re: vmware + fdd (Luis Paulo)
Re: a HUGE problem (help please!!) (Sergey Smirnov)
Kernel 2.3.6 boot-failure ("Holger Linge")
Re: netscape (Holczhammer Mark)
Re: Troll (was: why not C++?) (Timo Tossavainen)
Re: Troll (was: why not C++?) (Stephan Houben)
Re: More kind words from M$. ("Mindspring News")
Re: double-sided printing queue (James Stafford)
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From: "Shaniellys Varyne Seet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: broken X Font server - can no longer boot up
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:48:29 +1000
The XFree86 that came with RedHat 6.0 was giving me funny problems in the
back scenes. I can only see them when I exit back to console :
VGA: Using XAA (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture)
(--) SVGA: XAA: Solid filled rectangles
(--) SVGA: XAA: Screen-to-screen copy
(--) SVGA: XAA: Using 10 128x64 areas for pixmap caching
(--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and non-transparent stipples
(--) SVGA: XAA: Horizontal and vertical lines and segments
** WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost.
SetKbdSettings - type: 2 rate: 5 delay: 500 snumlk: 0
SetKbdSettings - Succeeded
Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0
Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0
xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0
xscreensaver disabling server builtin screensaver.
xscreensaver: you can re-enable it with "xset s on".
Prefix is "/gmc-rw05qE/panel 1/"
xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"
xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"
waiting for X server to shut down
This is just an example of a quick start & exit. it'll be worse if I use X
for long periods, & funny things will happen like Netscape quitting by
itself. It's pretty annoying not knowing what's causing those, & I thought
overwriting it with XFree86 3.3.4 would work. I installed as instructed but
now both XF86Setup & Xconfigurator will fail. XF86Setup tells me I should
use the other terminal since the program is using another virtual terminal
(what????). This never happened to me when I used RedHat 5.2. I can get
3.3.4 to work back then.
when I reboot, it fails to start up now because 1 of the services the kernel
starts up is X Font Server (where did that come from?). I guess I've
overwritten it. do I have to reinstall everything again??? :(
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From: Xavier SERPAGGI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: looking for a news picture sucker
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:56:14 +0200
Hi,
Everything's in the title I guess...
More precisely I'm looking for a software able to take a newsgroup in
entry,
and then download all of the pictures it can find in it. Something like
picturesucker under Windows9X.
Thanks
--
Xavier SERPAGGI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Labo. d'Images de Synth�se de St Etienne Tel: 04 77 42 66 40
Centre SIMADE / E.N.S.M-S.E. Fax: 04 77 42 66 66
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:04:26 -0400
Reply-To: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) wrote:
>Been there, done that... Never understood the concept of delay loops
>though. My programs always went a tad fast (on a spectrum's 3.5Mhz Z80b).
Delay loops were used to make the cpu wait for something. For
example, in early computers, serial ports were often implimented with
one bit of a paralell port and a "software UART". On receive, the cpu
would watch that bit for a "space", then wait 1/2 a bit time to verify
a space, and if so, at i bit intervals, check that bit to receive that
character. The bit & 1/2 bit intervals were accomplished with a delay
loop.
--
E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.
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From: Raymonds Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.aix,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: tn3270 questions; need help
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:22:42 +0200
What kinda terminal srever do you have?
Raymond
"J. Otto Tennant" wrote:
> This is a question about tn3270 in general, not about the particular
> operating system it is running on.
>
> There is a central computer and several remote terminals. (They
> happen to be IBM 3101s, but they could be anything, even an ADM-3a.)
> The remote terminals are connected to a "terminal server" which
> has an IP address (192.168.10.2, just to be definite.) The several
> remote terminals respond to ports 2000, 2001, 2002, and so on as
> telnet sessions.
>
> When I boot up the central computer, I want to treat these remote
> terminals as 3270s and splash a legacy logon screen to them.
>
> I also need to hook them up to a daemon which receives requests,
> processes them, and responds to them.
>
> I have exhausted my knowledge of networking, although I'm fairly
> certain the solution must be straightforward.
>
> In principle, if I could write:
>
> tn3270 host port <192.168.10.2:2000 >192.168.10.2:2000
>
> it would work like magic (I think).
>
> What I need to do is associate a pty with the remote IP/port.
>
> (The terminal server also provides ports 3000, 3001, etc. which
> are more "raw" than a telnet port, but I've forgotten the name
> of the service.)
>
> I'm not certain I have explained the problem well enough for
> anyone to comment.
>
> --
> J.Otto Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit.
> Charter Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
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From: "Christopher Lu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,athome.users-unix,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: accessing windows files under linux
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:22:33 GMT
> >2) Can someone offer some advice on the 539680446 gazillion packages
> >available when doing a custom installation in redhat or mandrake? I
> With the huge HD's available these days, just install everything, then
> you can see what you DO and Don't want and like about linux software.
I'm subscribed to cable modem service atm.
When I get linux running the first thing that I'll do is hopefully get my
internet connection reconnected via my cable isp.
If I install all the packages and IF I get my internet connection, wouldn't
I be at risk since I installed ftp, sendmail, etc? Obviously I don't feel
confident about how to go about setting up a firewall yet.
Would you recomment I disable those type of programs for security reasons?
Thanks for the help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Deackes)
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Date: 18 Aug 1999 09:08:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Donald E. Stidwell wrote:
>Zephyr Q wrote:
>
>> Or, more importantly, how can I make the switch with as
>> little grief as possible?
>>
>> For example, I'm already playing with RH 5.2 (waiting for
>> SuSe 6.2 to come out) and have been playing with AfterStep.
>> I'm looking for a WM or Xserver (am I showing my newbiness?)
>> that most approximates the Work Place Shell on OS/2.
>
>I'm an OS/2 refugee, having used Linux for almost 2 years after having
>used OS/2 for about the same period. I don't think you're going to find
>anything in Linux that really comes close to the WPS - this is a unique
>environment that I've never seen duplicated on any other OS. That said,
>I find KDE to be quite usable and with proper configuration, quite
>satisfying.
>
>Programs galore - it seems to me that Linux has many more productivity
>apps and other goodies than OS/2 ever had during the 2 years I used (and
>loved) it.
Same here, I loved my OS/2 and would have been delighted to see it
succeed. However, I made the move to Linux and have been happy since.
I think you would like the IceWM window manager and dfm. The author of
IceWM has an OS/2 theme, and dfm, a file manager, has been inspired by
the OS/2 WPS. dfm puts icons on the desktop, you click on them and get a
window opening which shows the files in that folder. You can open
windows to give a structured or detailed view of the contents too. Fully
drag and drop compliant - your desktop effectively becomes ~/.dfmdesk/
Clicking on datafiles starts up the mother application with that file
open, but the configuration of apps is totally unlike OS/2 in that you
have to work with extensions. In the file ~/.dfmext you set up the icon
for each data type, and the app which owns it. You can set a 'default'
app, just like with OS/2, which will open if no other has been set.
This, for most of us, would be a text app like Nedit.
Combined with 9menu, dfm offers enormous flexibility.
I personally use Window Maker. I don't like KWM (The K Window Manager)
although I use the version of Window Maker which is KDE aware because I
use some KDE apps. I can't get to grips with the philosophy of Gnome
because it duplicates things the WM provides. I can't get my head round
two menu structures, for example, that of the window manager and that of
Gnome. I wish Gnome had gone the whole way and provides a full
environment including a window manager.
--
Phillip Deackes
Debian Linux (Potato)
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From: "Johan Hartzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Slackware vs SuSE vs Debian vs Redhat vs ....
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:34:52 +0200
Hi Everyone.
Is there anywhere I could find a comparative summary of the different
distributions of Linux?
A web-site or FAQ doc or any other resource would be great if you could
point me in the right direction.
What I want to know is what are the main differences between the distro's to
help me eliminate at least some before I start experimenting to find the
right one for me.
Thanx in advance,
_Johan
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From: Luis Paulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vmware + fdd
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:22:53 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am using vmware with MS-DOS and WFW3.11 under SuSE6.2 host OS.
>
> Always when I try to read a Floppydisk I get a read error or device not
> present! (?)
>
> I found out, that after formating a disk or doing a chkdsk I do have access
> to the fd0 device (from guest OS).
> Does anybody know a better way????
>
You should have access to the "removable devices" (floppy and cd-rom) as
long as they are checked under "Settings - Removable devices" in your
virtual window. I never had any problem accessing those devices under
any VM guest os. If your problem continues, I suggest you post it in one
of the groups of the VMware newsserver (nntp://news.vmware.com), where
you can get a lot of support from all the people who's enjoying VM.
Luis
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From: Sergey Smirnov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a HUGE problem (help please!!)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:21:13 +0400
When my HD crashed and I lost bash, dpkg ...
I boot from floppy and ftp these packages from Debian.
Then I unpacked its manually and replaced lost files.
Dave Howland wrote:
>
> i'm using the debian distribution of linux. i decided to update to the
> most recent "unstable" release today , using apt-get to do this. but a
> very large problem ended up developing. after finishing the download of
> all the new packages (one of which was an update to bash) it began the
> setup process. it very kindly removed my old version of bash, and unpacked
> a replacement, unfortunately it had some sort of problem in the config and
> exited. well, obviously this leaves me in a bit of a pickle, without a
> working version of bash i can't install a working version. i tried
> downloading the source but of course i can't generate the makefile without
> bash to run the configure shell script. anybody have any suggestions? or
> could someone possibly send me a Makefile for bash 2.03? i've got a pretty
> standard system so i could probably use someone else's makefile. thanks in
> advance!
>
> Dave Howland
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----------------------------------------
> RC5-Moo - Hey, 400 KKeys/sec isn't a heck
> of a lot... unless you multiply
> it by 100,000...
>
> http://www.distributed.net
--
Regards,
Sergey Smirnov.
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From: "Holger Linge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel 2.3.6 boot-failure
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:45:01 +0200
Hello
I just compiled a monolithic 2.3.6-Kernel for my PII-PC, using a SUSE 6.1 as
base.
Initial Kernel was 2.0.36.
Compiling was fine. I booted and, while calling INIT, received this:
INIT: entering runlevel 2
bash: error in loading shared libraries
libncurses.so.4: cannot map file data: cannot allocate memory
/sbin/mingetty: error in loading shared libraries
.
.
.
Some more errors like this where produced. After 8 or 9 failed library-loads
the system just hangs, no kernel panic.
Had to make a cold boot (yuck!)
Any suggestions ?
Thanks anyway
Holger Linge, Hamburg, Germany
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From: Holczhammer Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.x.general,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: netscape
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:30:49 GMT
thanx
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http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: Timo Tossavainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Troll (was: why not C++?)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:39:34 +0300
Stephan Houben wrote:
> So you mean that the OS is implemented in Lisp but more or less hides this
> fact. Well, that might work, except that I feel that Lisp is not
> really suited for this job. Common Lisp shares the problem with C++
> that it relies on big standard libraries. Scheme is probably too
> minimalistic, and call/cc makes efficient implementation nontrivial.
>
> Nevertheless, a specially designed for kernel work Lisp type of language
> could do the job.
IIUC Common Lisp is sometimes implemented on top of a low level lisp, which is a bit
like
C in that it can access pointers and handle other low level stuff and is of course as
unsafe as C. Basically a lisp system could go from Common Lisp all the way down to the
assembler level just the same as C++ goes from high level of abstraction to
inline-assembler.
> But frankly, you might know much more about this subject than I do, so
> perhaps I should stop talking now. ;-)
Probably not, I'm just a hobbyist in these things.
Timo
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From: Stephan Houben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Troll (was: why not C++?)
Date: 18 Aug 1999 11:01:46 +0200
Timo Tossavainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Stephan Houben wrote:
>
> > Timo Tossavainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Well, I think the lisp machines had specialized chips to evaluate lisp and were
> > > quite proprietary. I think a modern open Lisp OS would be a good idea.
> >
> > I disagree. It's a bad idea to have a Lisp OS, a C++ OS, a Java OS,
> > and basically any X OS where X is a programming language. Why?
> > Because a general purpose OS should *never* force a particular
> > programming language upon its users. No language is perfect.
> > Every language sucks, if confronted with the "right" (i.e. the wrong)
> > application area.
>
> Who ever said anything about general purpose ? I didn't mean to exclude other
> languages, just the design and the internals of the OS (including the GUI and audio)
> would be done using a Lisp mindset and a Lisp compiler rather than the C mindset and
> a C compiler, it would at least be more extensible if done right and safer if the
> safety checks would be left on.
So you mean that the OS is implemented in Lisp but more or less hides this
fact. Well, that might work, except that I feel that Lisp is not
really suited for this job. Common Lisp shares the problem with C++
that it relies on big standard libraries. Scheme is probably too
minimalistic, and call/cc makes efficient implementation nontrivial.
Nevertheless, a specially designed for kernel work Lisp type of language
could do the job.
> Using Lisp in Linux is harder than using C/C++
> because the internals and the libraries are in C and the Lisp way of doing things is
> different.
You are talking ordinary application development now?
Frankly, I don't use Lisp enough to comment.
However, I *do* use Python, which is != C, and which is very easy to
use on Linux, despite that fact.
> No language is perfect, but some languages are more perfect than others
> =) No seriously, the need to communicate with C is taking away some of the
> expressive power of Lisp and forcing it to live at least partially in the static
> world of C. For instance, it's probably practically impossible to build fine-grained
> source code level parallel processing which is possible in functional languages on
> top of C-style threads. That would probably require linking the kernel scheduler to
> the lisp evaluator.
IIRC, the "standard" solution is to have lots of user-level threads
that are piggybacked upon a limited number of kernel threads.
Similar approaches are used for a lot of languages when fine-grained
paralellism is required, even for C. So I wonder whether this is a Lisp issue.
But frankly, you might know much more about this subject than I do, so
perhaps I should stop talking now. ;-)
Greetings,
Stephan
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From: "Mindspring News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: More kind words from M$.
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:59:35 -0400
Charles Sullivan wrote in message <7o8bp9$n9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>While waiting to be selected for jury duty I found a copy
>of the "Microsoft Internet Developer" magazine inexplicably
>included in the stack of mostly ladies magazines in the
>waiting room. This is the August 1999 issue.
>
>On Page 6, "Editor's Notes", is found the following:
>
> "What starts off hot, gets unpleasantly sticky after
> awhile, starts to stink like a minty goat soon after
> that, and ends up making you wish you never experienced
> it? No, we're not talking about the experience of
> getting Linux actually working on your machine. It's
> summer in New York City! ...".
>
He's just an AOL employee posing as a microsoft developer to further AOL's
insidious purposes. He used the words "unpleasantly" and "experienced". A
real microsoft programmer can't use words more than 8 letters in length ;)
--Ilan
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From: James Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: double-sided printing queue
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:04:02 -0700
Torsten Howard wrote:
>
> Kuang-chun Cheng wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > How to setup a double-sided printing queue for a network
> > postscript printer (for example, HP 4050). Using printtool or linuxconf
> > can only setup single-sided printing queue and Printing-HOWTO doesn't
> > help neither. Thanks.
> >
> > Kuang-chun Cheng
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Now that you mention it, I have seen
> a usitiity that will take PostScript pages
> and automatically make them print first one
> side, then another. You have to manually
> flip the pages.
> Can't remember the name of it, though.
>
> Sorry, if you have a duplex printer, don't know
> how to make it work.
>
> torsten
Have you tried gv, not the ghostview that's usually installed with
Linux. With gv you click one button and it marks and prints all the odd
pages, click another button and it umarks the odd pages, click another
button it marks and prints all the even pages. This is how I print
double sided.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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