Linux-Misc Digest #483, Volume #21 Sat, 21 Aug 99 00:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: pppd in 'setuid-root' mode (John Hasler)
/usr busy on shutdown (john connolly)
Re: Can't get SCO binary to execute on RH 6.0 Linux (Cokey de Percin)
Quicken like program for Linux (BJW7TOAEM)
Re: WordPerfect on 24 bit visual? (Rod Smith)
sound config (Larry Clark)
Re: What I think of linux. (James Knott)
Re: why not C++? (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: Upgraded Processor ("inferno")
Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions) (Christopher Browne)
Why filesystem crash? (Doug Bryant)
Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Problem with an ATAPI CD-RW (Habibi4me)
adobe software (Gerald Willmann)
Re: Linux file-size limit? (Christopher Browne)
Re: DFW area Linux User Groups?? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux vs. Unix (Christopher Browne)
Linux User Group of Davis - August 24th - Firewalls (William Kendrick)
Re: 3com ISA cards and linux (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: Comparison needed: *BSD vs. Linux (Christopher Browne)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: pppd in 'setuid-root' mode
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:14:13 GMT
I wrote:
> Users do not have to be able to to write to the port. Pppd on Debian
> works just fine without it.
Clifford Kite writes:
> Only if Debian configures pppd for use in a special way.
No, it is pretty much stock.
> If the ones using pppd are members of a group that includes the device
> file group then they could open it (with rw group permissions). Or,
> perhaps, the pppd privgroup option is used and they are members of that
> group. Users that are not a member of the group will not be able to
> explicitly invoke pppd without "other" read/write permission for the
> device file. Of course if the only use for pppd is a single ISP
> connection then pppd can be run with the demand option, in which case all
> the permissions of the device file can be turned off - including those
> for root.
None of the above. From the SETUP file in ppp-2.3.8:
The recommended way to set up to dial an ISP is for the system
administrator to create a file under /etc/ppp/peers, named for the ISP
that you will be dialling. For example, suppose the file is called
/etc/ppp/peers/isp. This file would contain something like this:
cua0 # modem is connected to /dev/cua0
38400 # run the serial port at 38400 baud
crtscts # use hardware flow control
noauth # don't require the ISP to authenticate itself
defaultroute # use the ISP as our default route
connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chat-isp'
If there are any other pppd options that should apply when calling
this ISP, they can also be placed in this file.
The /etc/ppp/chat-isp file named in the last line contains the script
for chat(8) to use to dial the ISP and go through any username/
password authentication required before PPP service starts.
This, of course, is just what Debian does (chatscripts go in
/etc/chatscripts. but that is minor). With this system you can have as
many isp's as you want, and the users do not access to any ports.
You don't need to edit any files to set this up on a Debian system:
pppconfig takes care of that via a whiptail UI. It also takes care of DNS.
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From: john connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: /usr busy on shutdown
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:29:12 +0000
I installed a 3rd hard drive some time ago and moved /home and /usr to
it. The system works fine but on shutdown the message /usr busy comes
up. Consequently e2fck runs on bootup and that takes forever. The
system is a much-modified older Slackware distribution using kernel
2.0.33. Is there a newer version of the shutdown script available which
will take care of this?
Thanks,
JWC
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From: Cokey de Percin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't get SCO binary to execute on RH 6.0 Linux
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:08:21 +0000
Richard Gintz wrote:
>
> I am trying to execute a binary generated on SCO on a Linux RH6.0 system. I
> get "cannot execute binary file" on the Linux system. I have compiled in on
> SCO using "cc" and also "gcc" to see if that made a difference. I get the
> same message in either case (however, the resultant file using "gcc" is 1/2
> the size of the "cc" version). I did an rpm -qa on the Linux system and it
> shows that I have "kernal-ibcs-2.2.5-15" installed.
>
> 1. Is there something I need to do special on SCO in the "make" of this
> program?
>
> 2. Is there perhaps something more that needs to be done on the Linux
> system to execute these programs?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> thx,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try doing /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/<kernel-release>/misc/iBCS (note
there is no .o and then try you SCO binary. iBCS must be loaded
before you run SCO binaries.
Best
Cokey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BJW7TOAEM)
Subject: Quicken like program for Linux
Date: 21 Aug 1999 02:24:49 GMT
I am trying to migrate to Linux for all of my computer tasks (simply because
Linux is better than any other operating system.) but there are some programs I
use almost daily that I need a linux program that does the same thing for me.
One is Quicken, so if anyone knows of a freeware or cheap linux program that is
like Quicken. Hope someone can help and thanks in advance. :)
Twinkling Of An Eye Ministries Web Site
http://members.aol.com/BJW7TOAEM/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect on 24 bit visual?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:36:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
grant@nowhere. (Grant Edwards) writes:
> I decided to try out WordPerfect, and overall it seems decent.
>
> However, I normally run 24bpp at home (ATI Rage 128 w/ SVGA
> server) and none of the bitmaps work (buttons just have gray
> hash on them). At work it runs fine with a 24 bit visual (ATI
> Mach32 w/ mach32 server).
>
> Why does WP work on one X server and not the other, when
> they're both set up as 24 bpp truecolor?
It's a bug in WP that interacts with the way 24-bit mode is handled in
certain X servers. Most XFree86 servers are affected, but I'm told that
Accelerated-X is immune to this problem. Also, XFree86 4.0 should also be
immune to the problem.
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Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que
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From: Larry Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sound config
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:34:26 -0700
I have a sound blaster vibro16....I know it work cuz I tried OSS to
config it.....now I want to config it myself with the mod's that came
with caldera...I Use COAS to try to config it and I use the Command
prompt too......everything loads except the SB.O mod.....help ....is
there another mod I should find such as SBPNP ?? thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:50:35 -0400
Reply-To: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <7pg5a1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Allen Berge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yeah, I know those big drum hard drives. You can actually see the hard-disk
>platters stacked inside.
>Hard drives sure have gotten smaller. Used to break down those old computer
>systems for salvage back in the early 80's.
>They actually spun those drives with a huge 220V 3 phase electric motor and
>a belt pully system. Always think of those things when I'm holding a PCMCIA
>HD card in my hand. :)
Several years ago, at a company I used to work for, we had this system
made by Collins back in the mid '60s. The disk drives were housed in
a cabinet about the size of a compact car. The disk were about 4 feet
across and made of 3/8" thick magnesium. The heads were about the
size of a silver dollar. The disks were mounted on a horizontal shaft
about 5" in diameter. It took a 3 HP motor to turn the disks and
hydraulic servos to position the heads. (the hydraulic oil created
a real stink, when the system leaked) Maximum capacity of one
cabinet, 80 MB. The CPU use 16K words x 32 bit core memory. The
system was water cooled. When we ran diagnostics on the disk drives,
the whole floor shook! Incidentaly, this was one of the first
computer networks. Instead of packets, as are used today, it used
time slots on a coaxial cable ring. A device sending data to another,
would "own" a time slot for the transfer and the other device would be
told to listen to that slot. Also, there were no integrated circuits
in that system. All circuits were made with discrete transistors,
resistor etc, mounted on small plug in circuit boards.
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:03:36 +1000
Randall Parker wrote:
>
> It is not a concocted problem.
>
> I've run into this sort of situation when dealing with writing interfaces
> to a set of embedded devices which each had slightly different ways of
> formatting their packets for serial communication.
>
> I solved the problem by declaring pointers to functions where each
> function had a different way of formatting output or of interpreting
> input. I could make up a description for how to communicate to a
> particular embedded device by selecting a set of pointers that together
> worked with that device.
Yep, function pointers in C are really cool for problems where
you want to avoid a switch statement which has to be evaluated
over and over again.
Erik
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From: "inferno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,msn.computingcentral.os.linux
Subject: Re: Upgraded Processor
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:37:50 -0700
Just to add:
you may not see too much extra performance but it will be fun :-)
Jerry Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:30:26 -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote:
> >Hello,
> >I was running Redhat 6.0 on a Pentium 133 with 32 megs of ram. I just
> >upgraded the motherboard and installed a Pentium II 350. I installed 64
> >megs of ram on this motherboard. I was wondering, now that I am running
a
> >Pentium II, should I recompile my programs and/or the kernel? Will I see
> >more of an increase with the programs recompiled?
>
> You can recompile the kernel and other apps using the 686 processor
> type, but you won't really see much, if any difference in performance.
>
>
> --
> Jerry Gardner | "Bill Clinton has all the steely resolve
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | of a kamakaze pilot on his 37th mission."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:50:51 GMT
On 19 Aug 1999 16:43:45 -0400, Doug DeJulio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I thought "the whole translator thing" was there in the first place
>to avoid exactly this.
That's more or less right.
The problem is that something like C-TAX is neither "fish nor fowl."
It's not really C; it's not really Scheme.
It's not unlike the situation way back when Bourne shell was written,
where (if the apocryphal tales are correct) Mr. Bourne created a set
of C macros that basically allowed the gentle programmer to write C
using a syntax that looked rather similar to Pascal/Algol.
This unfortunately made the code nearly unmaintainable, as it wasn't
recognizable as either C *or* Pascal.
The Casbah project (<http://www.casbah.org/>) was planning to create
an infrastructure that would emulate/rewrite Perl code into Scheme
that would be executed using DrScheme. This proved impractical; the
language that would result would not really be Perl, but rather a
language-that-gets-transformed that-somewhat-resembles-Perl. And for
some purposes, it would be preferable to work with the "original
Perl," and for others, the Scheme that gets generated.
Better to say: "Guile *is* a Scheme implementation" and be done with
it...
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From: Doug Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Why filesystem crash?
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:13:56 GMT
hello all.
I have been running linux on an AMD 266 home brew with a 2-3 year old 2
gig Western digital ide hard drive.
This morining I downloaded the jdk and unzipped it into /usr/local/
Half way through the file unzipping process, the screen locks. I could
not do anything to get it to unstick, so I hit the power button. A
quick run through startup, an the box is back up and running.
At lunch, I telneted into the box from work to cotinue setting up what I
did not get to finish this morning. Same procedure, same tar file, and
it happened again.
When I got home, after guessing something was wrong with the tar file, I
downloaded another jdk version and unzipped it into the same location.
Well it happened again. I was logged into the console as root at the
time and telneting from my other computer configuring it.
This time, the console was take over with a recursive scrolling message
about not being able to write to inode. Sorry I did not write the exact
message down. it was giving me the inode message and the address of the
crash on the disk.
A hard reboot and this time i had to manually run fsck to get the
computer back up and running.
Could anyone tell me why or what could be causing this. I suspect a bad
spot on the disk but would like a second opinion. Is there a way to fix
the disk if this is the case? I have been running this maching as a
gateway to the internet and it stays running basically all the time.
I really appreciate any feedback. Thanks very much for your time.
Doug Bryant
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:08:17 GMT
George Eastlick wrote:
> > > > MS doesn't need to get into the Linux buzz. What for? NT is the most
> stable operating system I ever used, even more so than Linux, in my humble
> opinion.
> > > >
> NT is NOT the most stable -- Unix is the most difficult and it is infinitely
> more stable than NT. It takes a LOT of research and a bit of trial and
> error, but once you get it working, it works better than it would in NT
> (performance wise) and it stays working. Many NT apps lock the machine
> and/or require rebooting the server after a period of time -- this is not
> stable. There are many things that Linux/Unix allow you to do that you
> could only dream of doing in NT.
>
> > > > Perhaps, some day, Linux may earn its place among the big boys. Until
> then, I won't hold my breath. MS products are good. Love IE5 -- the best
> browser ever --and MS-Office. Those who can't see the quality of the above
> mentioned, are in the bottom of a deep damp cave struggling to get out while
> blaming Bill Gates for their misfortune.
> We are comparing applications to O/S! I too like IE5 and MS-Office and
> wouldn't mind seeing some version of them ported to Unix. Linux or actually
> Unix already has a place -- the master of the big boys -- but as a server --
> for user apps and workstations where performance isn't nearly as big an
> issue as easy set-up and ease of use ... windows rules! If MS ever get
> their hands on the open source of Linux -- the O/S will be doomed and Gates
> will indeed rule the world! If this ever happens, I will buy every Unix box
> I can get and go live in a deep damp cave :-).
UNIX is indeed the most stable... yet I wouldn't confuse Linux with commercial
UNIX systems. Linux is not in that league yet.
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From: Habibi4me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problem with an ATAPI CD-RW
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:47:50 -0400
I have an ACER-6206A CD-RW drive with SuSE-6.1 Linux distro. Mounting
an iso9660 CD is a snap while the "cdrecord -scanbus" (cdrecord-1.6.1)
reports seeing the CD-RW. Lately, I have upgraded the Linux kernel to
2.2.11 with gcc-2.95 and glibc-2.1. After the upgrades,
I need two separate kernels to be able to mount an iso9660 CD and
perform a CD writing. In other words, if I booted a kernel that support
the CD-RW so that I can mount an iso9660 CD, the "cdrecord -scanbus"
reports an error message (cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot
open SCSI driver.). If I reboot with another set of Linux kernel that
works for the "cdrecord -scanbus", mounting an iso9660 process will fail
with an error message (/dev/hdc is not a block device). I tried
different kernel configurations suggested by the CD Writing HOWTO (ed.
April 1999) to no avail.
I am wondering if anyone can shed some light helping me to configure the
Linux-2.2.11 kernel so that my CD-RW can be properly addressed.
TIA.
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: adobe software
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:44:39 -0700
Most of us have Adobe's Acrobat Reader installed but have you ever noticed
that (at least to the best of my knowledge) Adobe offers none of their
other programs for linux. Would be a simple matter of compiling it for us
and rumor has it that they have done so internally but ...? Strange that
a company that boasts "cross platform" in their PDF ads does not offer a
way to produce such files (I'm especially after distiller) for the most
rapidly growing platform. If you feel the same and can spare a minute
please fill out the feature request form on their website (www.adobe.com
-> send feed back). I have done so but so far no reply.
thanks, Gerald
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Linux file-size limit?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:50:48 GMT
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:33:43 +0200, Sascha Bohnenkamp
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>ext2, in particular, can support file sizes up to 1T, since files are
>>segmented.
>upto 16TB ... with huge inodes
Perhaps so.
>>b) You can't read all of it using standard C file manipulation
>>functions on 32 bit architectures because the "FILE *" structure only
>>allows addressing the first 2^31 bytes of the file.
>well with solaris or unixware your ARE able to do that on 32b mashines
But this is comp.os.linux.*, and Linux doesn't use an identical LIBC
to Solaris or UnixWare.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: DFW area Linux User Groups??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:50:06 GMT
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:22:58 GMT, William B. Cattell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know of any Dallas-Ft. Worth area Linux User
>Groups? There use to be one that would meet at the Infomart
>on third Sat. each month.
Possibly NTLUG?
This month's meeting takes place this Saturday morning (e.g. -
Aug. 21st) at the Nokia offices right by McArthur & HWY 161.
Things start at about 10am; see <http://www.ntlug.org> for more
details...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Unix
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:50:24 GMT
On 19 Aug 1999 14:52:13 GMT, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson) wrote:
>>>Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this the same Barrow, Alsaka that's the Northernmost city in
>>>>> America?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No. Barrow (which is the northermost city in the US) is not the
>>>>one in America. That would go to Alert, Canada, (if we can call
>>>>these cities...) which is way north of the (magnetic) north
>>>>pole.
>>>
>>>Alert, Canada??? I've never heard of it!
>>
>>It's a radar base at the most northern tip of Canada, and about as far
>>north as you can get anywhere in the world and still have solid land
>>under your feet. There's only a very small bit of land further north
>>than it anywhere. Take a look at a globe sometime and you'll find it
>>right beside the north end of Greenland, about 500 miles south of the
>>north pole.
>
>Radar sites (i.e., LRR, SRR, BMEWS and DEWLINE) are something I
>am very familiar with, but I still have never heard of this city
>called Alert, Canada.
It's got the international station code YLT on SABRE.
There do not exist scheduled flights to that station; it is
nonetheless a well-known CF base of operations.
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graph an edge that creates a cycle, not just an additional node."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Kendrick)
Crossposted-To:
sac.announce,sac.general,sac.internet,sacramento.internet,ucd.general,ucd.life,ucd.cs.club
Subject: Linux User Group of Davis - August 24th - Firewalls
Date: 21 Aug 1999 03:59:56 GMT
WHAT:
=====
LUGOD: The Linux User Group of Davis
TOPIC:
======
Firewalls
WHEN:
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Tuesday, August 24th, 1999
6:30pm - 9:00pm
Pre-meeting at 6:00. Topic: LUGOD logo and t-shirt
WHERE:
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Location
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LampPost Pizza ("West Lake" shopping center, in West Davis)
1260 Lake Blvd # 113
Davis, CA 95616
1-530-758-1111
Directions
----------
* From downtown Davis, take Covell or Russell west (going past hwy 113).
* From hwy 113 headed north, exit at Covell or Russell and turn left.
* From hwy 113 headed south, exit at Covell or Russell and turn right.
* From Russell, turn right onto Lake. West Lake will be on your right.
* From Covell, turn left onto Lake. West Lake will be on your left.
* LampPost is on the right side of the large Ray's store.
WHY:
----
Agenda:
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* Introduction to new members
* News, announcements and open forum
* Committess:
UCD Resnet HOWTO
UCD PPP HOWTO
Social Tax Exempt Group Status
Highschool Project
Ambassador to other LUGs
Financial Report
* Topics:
The new "vox-announce" mailing list.
The new "#lugod" IRC channel.
LUGOD's bylaws.
Davis Community Network.
Davis Farmer's Market.
* Seminar:
"FIREWALLS": LUGOD member Zach White will demonstration setting
up firewalling on a Linux box.
WHO:
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LUGOD is open to all members of the public.
HOW:
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For more information about LUGOD, please visit our website:
http://www.lugod.org/
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To:
at.linux,aus.computers.linux,be.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3com ISA cards and linux
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:16:21 GMT
On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:19:56 +0200, Kalkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>However, it seems that it is not possible for me to use Linux, since I use
>cable modem with a 3com ISA card. More precisely, I use 3com EtherLink III
>ISA (3C509/3C509b) network interface card, and there are no drivers which
>will support my card in Linux.
Nonsense! This is a fairly old card that has been well supported for quite a
while. I have one in a 486 Linux box at work. Look for the file 3c509.o
in your drivers directory. If you don't have the compiled driver, then
configure your kernel and build the module.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Comparison needed: *BSD vs. Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:50:08 GMT
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:46:45 +0200, Sasa Babic
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am new in non Micro$oft OS area. As I was learning about Linux, I found
>out about *BSD.
>
>I am wondering what are the differences between FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD
>and Linux. You know, good sides and bad sides. Anyone with some spare
>time?
- They don't use the GPL. That's either good or bad, depending on
one's Point Of View.
- They use a different TCP/IP stack, in which they have great pride.
At one point, it was *vastly* better than the Linux TCP/IP code; the
difference in quality has diminished over time, but may still
persist. Whether that is significant depends again on one's Point
Of View.
- I think the BSD's all use named CVS for management of the sources
for their kernels, unlike the situation with Linux where Linus
Torvalds is the arbitrator of what goes into the kernel. Whether
that is significant depends on (no surprises here) one's Point Of
View.
- Linux has over 140 distinct distributions, whereas the BSD's
basically have three. Whether good or bad? P.O.V.
- The BSD's have a common "Ports" system that is somewhat analagous to
RPM or the Debian package system. Ports is almost certainly better
crafted than RPM as a source code-oriented package management
system; the comparison with DPKG is less clear. Again... P.O.V.
- There has been much flaming back and forth about who's got the best
filesystems. Again, P.O.V. issues come in.
- Much flaming comes in over BSD's being "truly UNIXes," whilst Linux
isn't. The arguments are somewhat abtruse; it is reasonably that
some Linux will be certified as an Officially Branded UNIX(tm)
before this happens to any of the *BSDs, and on that day, there will
doubtless be *massive* flamage that those that are wise will avoid.
- Many makers of Linux distributions have worked hard to try to make
it "friendly even to the moderately computer illiterate." The BSD's
have largely eschewed this; they're a bit off-putting to newbies.
This puts off those that are Not Serious, which has some tendancy to
result in "Linux being for Dummies," whilst there are few "dummies"
running *BSD.
- Some of the BSD projects appear to have been plagued by personality
conflicts, and there are some "very strong personalities" in those
communities. In contrast, Linus, the "dictator" of Linux,
occasionally swears at people, which tends *not* to be taken badly.
If you try to evaluate this in a formal way, contradictions *leap*
out of the woodwork; it just doesn't all make sense...
There are people that very happily run {Net|Open|Free}BSD; there are
people that can't abide them.
Probably the most "novice-friendly" is FreeBSD; it's well worth going
through the experience of installing one of the BSD's and looking to
see how they compare at some point.
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