Linux-Misc Digest #485, Volume #21 Sat, 21 Aug 99 03:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNOME ppp applet solution (Mark Ferraretto)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick ("Gabriel")
lilo or loadlin timing= ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: No core file ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: helping the Third World ("Gabriel")
Compiling Sound support for Sounder Blaster 16bit PnP (Mark Buckle)
Re: MARK in messages (Paul Kimoto)
Re: helping the Third World ("Gabriel")
2.2.6 kernel is too big (Wlmet)
Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 ("George Eastlick")
Re: 3com ISA cards and linux (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Re: setting timezone ? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? (Richard Steiner)
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? (Richard Steiner)
(no subject) (Alleyoop Sam)
Re: sound for users (Dave)
Cannot start X = Please help ("Jaideep Tibrewala")
Install on Mac with X Linux (Rory C-L)
Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:57:51 +0930
From: Mark Ferraretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME ppp applet solution
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You know what would be _really_ nice? If I could kick off kppp and have it
dock in the gnome taksbar. Is that possible?
Mark
Steve Gage wrote:
> Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote:
> >
> > Tweezak wrote:
> > [.....]
> > > After discovering that (thanks to usenet info), I decided to make my own
> > > applet to run ifup and ifdown. It turns out there is a second ppp
> > > applet that comes with GNOME. It is better concealed but it seems to
> > > work for all users. Here's how you get to it:
> > >
> > > 1. RIGHT click on an open space on the panel (taskbar, whatever)
> > >
> > > 2. Move your mouse up until "Add applet >" is highlighted.
> > >
> > > 3. Move your mouse over and down to "Network."
> > >
> > > 4. Select "PPP Dialer"
> > >
> > > An icon will be added to your panel that looks like a play/pause and
> > > stop button. Click on the "play" button and your modem should dial.
> > > Click on the "stop" button and it should disconnect. This is assuming
> > > that you had working ppp in X before installing GNOME.
> > [.....]
> >
> > Also give a consideration to the "Modem Lights" applet. It has several
> > more advantages:
> >
> > - Extensive configuration (via Properties) : You can make it use any
> > program to connect/disconnect (I use kppp, though I work in Gnome)
> >
> > - Modem receive & transmit lights in real-time.
> >
> > - Short term traffic history
>
> Except I can't modem lights to recognize my ppp connection. It will
> successfully dial and connect, but the applet always says "not
> connected". Any idea how to fix it?
>
> - Steve
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
From: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:06:42 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:38:15 GMT, Ketil Z Malde wrote:
>Redistribution of wealth is not antithetical to capitalism. People
>starve in communist, socialist and just about any system you could
>care to mention. Stalins planned economy SU starved millions, not
>unlike the plan economy North Korea today.
very true, but neither is capitalism necessarily the same
as
a market economy. While communism is not the answer for
any serious question, we don't need to stop looking
just because we have no ready made solutions. A little more
inventiveness and thinking out of the box could go a long
way.
A society that can come up with ebay.com and sticky notes
( not to mention Linux ) can surely come up with something
better
than our stinking social system.
Gabriel
PS. I guess it's the wrong forum but I couldn't resist. I,m
off
to do my penance.
=======================================================
Gabriel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: lilo or loadlin timing=
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:38:55 GMT
I've heard that the video timing for a frambuffer device could be
specified in either lilo or loadlin. I believe I saw the setting start
with timing=... but I can't find that post anymore. Can anyone help me
with this.
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: No core file
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:57:23 GMT
I agree with you Paul, being a deveoper core files give very
useful information.
However, do you agree that commercial applications for Linux
should dump core if an unexpected, and not really manageable
error occurs?
Godwin DaVinci
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> %% IceLava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> i> what do u mean by 'stripped'?
>
> "Stripped" means that all the debugging info has been removed from the
> application. You do that by running the "strip" program:
>
> $ strip myapp
>
> Also, if you've not compiled the appliation with debugging enabled
(the
> -g option) then there won't be much debugging info there even if you
> haven't run strip on it.
>
> Stripping an application makes the on-disk size much smaller
(sometimes
> less than half as big). But note this is disk space savings only:
> even if your app is unstripped the debugging information isn't loaded
> into memory when your app is run, so the app won't run any faster or
> take any less memory if you strip it.
>
> i> wat r the capabilities of gdb? I've not used it b4, & am trying
to
> i> recall how to use the debugging features in xwpe
>
> GDB is the GNU project's source-level debugger: it's got about all the
> capabilities you'd want _but_ it's a text-based debugger. No GUI, no
> mouse, nothing like that. If you like things like xwpe, VC, etc. you
> probably won't like it.
>
> There are many graphical interfaces to GDB; there's one built into
> Emacs, and there are a few X-based ones. The most advanced one is
> probably ddd (the Data Display Debugger).
>
> But, that doesn't really matter. Every debugger on Linux will be able
> to process a core file. I'm sure xwpe can do it, too. I don't know
how
> offhand but surely there're some docs somewhere.
>
> --
>
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> Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management
Development
> "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad
Scientist
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
From: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:31:43 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:49:05 GMT, MK wrote:
>
>GDP measures no such thing. GDP measures output. There are differences
>of order of magnitude between GDPs of different countries; does it
>mean that rich countries invested 10x more labor? They did not, they
>just exploited working smarter, economy of scale and automation,
>thus _reducing_ amount of labor embedded in a single unit of
>production, not increasing it.
>
Sorry, you don't get the labor theory of labor, please
reread your Marx.
the issue is not raw labor but socially necessary labor,
i.e. labor at the
highest given productivity level. So the GDP does relate
to a country's
total amount of labor
Gabriel
=======================================================
Gabriel
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From: Mark Buckle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compiling Sound support for Sounder Blaster 16bit PnP
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:20:27 +0000
Hi, since I switched my old 16bit Value SB card for a new PnP model,
sound has refused to work for me on Linux, on any version of the kernel
from 2.0.27 up to present 2.0.37. I've used the IRQ, and I/O addresses
and DMA values etc from my Win95 installation which dual boots with
Linux, as I have no other info to rely on for these values when
compiling the kernel. Any-one any ideas, or can point me towards tools
to probe the sound-card. The damn-thing won't work under NT3.51 either,
but I'm not looking for help for that here :)
Cheers, Mark.
PS Pls mail replies if possible as well as posting.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: MARK in messages
Date: 21 Aug 1999 00:50:34 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[de.* newsgroup elided: isn't that a German-speaking group?]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Oliver Gebele wrote:
> Does anybody know who is writing these
> MARK's to my /var/log/messages
> -file every 15 minutes (SuSE6.1) ???
> Aug 1 21:16:13 Xpc64 -- MARK --
> Aug 1 21:36:13 Xpc64 -- MARK --
(20 minutes, actually.) This is the system logger itself. See the
man page for sysklogd(8).
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
From: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:46:55 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:31:35 GMT, MK wrote:
>>Marx
>>saw the problem but was wrong about the solution. I think he deserves
>>some credit.
>
>Marx deserves no credit whatsoever. He created belief system
>consistent and closed philosophically. Aka religion.
>
This is what philosophers did those days, you know, and
very few people succeed
in creating anything let alone "a consistent and closed
belief system."
by your own standards Marx must be one of the most
intelligent persons
ever. Which he was even though his philosophy is not really
consistent as
you claim. you however must be a real bigot ( and not very
intelligent
either ) if you can't
appreciate someone's towering intellect just because you
don't agree
with him.
Though not agreeing with someone you haven't read is a
little like
using uninitialized variables ( an analogy just for a
semblance of relevance)
Gabriel
=======================================================
Gabriel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wlmet)
Subject: 2.2.6 kernel is too big
Date: 07 Aug 1999 20:38:38 GMT
I have been trying to recompile the 2.2.6 kernel which came with slackware 4.0.
I only wanted to add an ethernet card. At the end of compilation I get the
error message that the kernel is too big for zImage, try bzImage.
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From: "George Eastlick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:26:36 -0500
> > > MS doesn't need to get into the Linux buzz. What for? NT is the most
stable operating system I ever used, even more so than Linux, in my humble
opinion.
> > >
NT is NOT the most stable -- Unix is the most difficult and it is infinitely
more stable than NT. It takes a LOT of research and a bit of trial and
error, but once you get it working, it works better than it would in NT
(performance wise) and it stays working. Many NT apps lock the machine
and/or require rebooting the server after a period of time -- this is not
stable. There are many things that Linux/Unix allow you to do that you
could only dream of doing in NT.
> > > Perhaps, some day, Linux may earn its place among the big boys. Until
then, I won't hold my breath. MS products are good. Love IE5 -- the best
browser ever --and MS-Office. Those who can't see the quality of the above
mentioned, are in the bottom of a deep damp cave struggling to get out while
blaming Bill Gates for their misfortune.
We are comparing applications to O/S! I too like IE5 and MS-Office and
wouldn't mind seeing some version of them ported to Unix. Linux or actually
Unix already has a place -- the master of the big boys -- but as a server --
for user apps and workstations where performance isn't nearly as big an
issue as easy set-up and ease of use ... windows rules! If MS ever get
their hands on the open source of Linux -- the O/S will be doomed and Gates
will indeed rule the world! If this ever happens, I will buy every Unix box
I can get and go live in a deep damp cave :-).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Crossposted-To:
at.linux,aus.computers.linux,be.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3com ISA cards and linux
Date: 20 Aug 1999 22:16:59 -0700
"Kalkas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However, it seems that it is not possible for me to use Linux, since I use
> cable modem with a 3com ISA card. More precisely, I use 3com EtherLink III
> ISA (3C509/3C509b) network interface card, and there are no drivers which
> will support my card in Linux.
Excuse me? I've been using 3C509's of all sorts with Linux for years.
The driver most definitely exists, it's in the module
/lib/modules/preferred/net/3c509.o
source in
/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/3c509.c
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setting timezone ?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:04:36 -0500
dja7 wrote:
>
> I have two linux machines, redhat 2.0.36 and slackware 2.0.30
>
> How do I set the timezone on them ? Do I have to reconfigure the
> kernel to do that ? the only place I saw the timezone setting was in
> the intial setup configuration
Under RH5.2, you can run the program timetool. There may be
a similar tool for Slackware. If not, it is handled by a symbolic
link called /etc/localtime which you can set to the appropriate
value directly.
Under RH5.2, there is a bug in the US/Central link. You
use Canada/Central instead. This is fixed in RH6.0
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Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:39:51 -0500
Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Baden Kudrenecky)
spake unto us, saying:
> Besides being stable, Solaris has a total 'out of the box'
>experience, and the CDE includes almost everything you would
>want and need to do as a user. I believe that the KDE is
>modelled after the CDE.
No, KDE and CDE share little more than initials, though it's possible
that the virtual desktop button layout in KDE was influenced by CDE.
>The CDE is slick, functional, and stable, has much more polish
>than the KDE, and everything works.
Wow, I seriously disagree with your assessment. :-) It's subjective
and not that big a deal (since I don't expect people to share my point
of view), but I think CDE absolutely sucks even compared to some of the
older free window managers like AfterStep 1.0.
Yes, CDE has some nice things, amongst them the fact that it uses Motif
widgets (as a user I like Motif), but the whole thing is so clunky in
some ways compared to the newer KDE releases that I can hardly stand to
use it here. Someday I'll install XFree86 on the Solaris partition.
The WPS beats them both, of course.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
The universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:46:30 -0500
Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Brad BARCLAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
> Linux != OS/2 + more hype. Linux has more hype, has things that OS/2
>doesn't have, and is missing alot of functionality that OS/2 does have.
>The trick is to determine what functionality you need, and then use the
>OS that fits it best. It's that simple.
Very well stated. :-) They're different OSes (quite different) which
have very different characteristics, and I think they tend to appeal to
different types of users. Some of us are running both, yeah, but that
doesn't mean that we use each OS for the same thing. I know I don't.
> And if one is unsure - well thats what BootManager was invented for! :)
Or System Commander if one feels more abusive. <hehehe>
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-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
Corduroy pillows: They're making headlines.
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From: Alleyoop Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (no subject)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:50:02 +0800
Follow the help file in the Documentation folder, and it helps~!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave)
Subject: Re: sound for users
Date: 20 Aug 1999 20:24:02 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:07:40 +0100, Marco Jost wrote:
>Hallo
>
>can someone help me?
>I compiled my Kernel 2.2.7 for debian linux with sound support, made a
>new device audio and now I can use the soundmixer of gnome and get
>sound. There is only the problem that I must be root.
>If I login as a simple user I get the message "no mixer support" .
>What have I do to get sound as user.
I can think of two things to try: (1) take a look at the file
permissions of the device in the /dev directory and make sure that a
simple user has access to the device; (2) a more dangerous option is
to use chmod to set the SUID bit of the soundmixer file to root.
I'd go with the /dev permissions first.
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From: "Jaideep Tibrewala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Cannot start X = Please help
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:50:47 -0500
Hi
I have a Pentium 133 with RH6.0
I am not sure what I did, but now I cannot logon. As soon as my system
starts up and tries to go to init level 5, I get the following error:
"according to /var/run/gdm.pid, gdm.pid was already running,
but seems to have been murdered mysteriously"
and the screen keeps flickering. Please give me suggestions ASAP as to what
I should do.
Also, I am trying to load my kernel with my boot disks and on loading the
2nd disk it says,
"try passing init= to the kernel". I tried init=1 but same thing happens. So
how can I boot to single user mode?
Please cc your reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you
Jaideep
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Jaideep Tibrewala
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rory C-L)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Install on Mac with X Linux
Date: 20 Aug 1999 16:42:10 GMT
I'm reposting this in the hopes of some responses. Sincere apologies to
anyone who has read this twice due to the new title.
I've downloaded some software to install Linux on my iMac rev B using the
. Using the X Linux Installer as recommended in the
linuxppc-guide-990714.pdf. Do I need anything else for a basic install?
I'd like to use Linux for text editing and programming in C/C++. What's
recommended - Emacs and GCC?
I've used Perl quite a bit, so I imagine I can just get the latest
distribution version of that - would that need to be compiled with the
compiler?
RedHat:
base:
base:
comps
comps.prep
hdlist
hdlistinfo
install3.tr
old.stage2.img
stage2.img
cksums:
cksums:
SRPMS.cksum
SRPMS.md5sum
debug.log
hdlistinfo
install:
maps:
build.master
install.master
order.master
sort.master
instimage:
instimage:
lib:
ld-2.1.1.so
libc-2.1.1.so
libcom_err.so.2.0
libcrypt-2.1.1.so
libdb-2.1.1.so
libdl-2.1.1.so
libe2p.so.2.3
libext2fs.so.2.4
libm-2.1.1.so
libnsl-2.1.1.so
libnss_compat-2.1.1.so
libnss_dns-2.1.1.so
libnss_files-2.1.1.so
libproc.so.1.2.6
libresolv-2.1.1.so
libtermcap.so.2.0.8
libutil-2.1.1.so
libuuid.so.1.2
usr:
bin:
ash
badblocks
bash
cp
df
e2fsck
fdisk
fsck
fsck.ext2
grep
ifconfig
install2
ldd
ln
ls
mke2fs
pdisk
ping
ps
route
rpm
runinstall2
wc
etc:
install2.tr
maps:
maps:
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install.master
order.master
sort.master
ppc
redhat.image.gz
RPMS:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:45:07 GMT
My humble opinion:
Telling bad things about someone else's product doesn't make our own any better. I use
AIX, OS/2, NT 4.0, Win98/95 and now trying to learn Linux. The most impressed I was
with AIX. Its power and ease of installation/use are unparalled. NT is also great, I
love it, and I never had any trouble running IE5 on it. OS/2 was great too (too bad
it's gone). Windows 9x may not have a lot of power but its compatibility with just
about everything out there and ease of use make it a pretty good thing to have.
Computers are no longer the privilige of a few techies, they must be available for
everyone. Not everyone has the time to "write their own device drivers." Also, if my
company's
clients send me MS Office files, I better have MS Office myself, or I'll be out of
business before long (food for thought).
Linux fans could do Linux a favour by giving up the "Linux is tops, everything else is
crap" attitude. As a new Linux user I am happy about the increasing popularity of
Linux and I hope one day, after much more development, it will have a much bigger
market share.
What prompted me to write all this:
I just wasted 2 days trying to install a D-Link 220P ISA Ethernet card on Linux. All
my attempts failed eventually it crashed and I was forced to reinstall the OS. The
card is still not working. I am now looking for a PCI card.... For comparison:
installing the same card on the same machine under Windows 98 took 10 minutes
(including the
reboot) and didn't require any user input. It works like a charm, while Linux is dead
in the water. If it had happened at work it would be 2 days+ downtime against 10
minutes. Go ahead, calculate the hidden cost.... then tell me again why Linux is
superior....
Forgive my ramblings... I am frustrated.
Regards,
gt
David Frantz wrote:
> loatherier wrote:
>
> > Rado Faletic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > I use IE5.
> > >
> > > Me too. I find it MUCH more stable than any of the Netscape builds. Pity
> > > MS doesn't get into the Linux buzz, I'm sure many people would still use
> > > MS-Office under Linux, and IE.
> > >
> > > Not that open source is no good... but MS do have some reasonable
> > > products and I think we could all benefit from some of them (like IE5).
> >
> > MS doesn't need to get into the Linux buzz. What for? NT is the most stable
>operating system I ever used, even more so than Linux, in my humble opinion.
> >
> > Perhaps, some day, Linux may earn its place among the big boys. Until then, I
>won't hold my breath. MS products are good. Love IE5 -- the best browser ever --and
>MS-Office. Those who can't see the quality of the above mentioned, are in the bottom
>of a deep damp cave struggling to get out while blaming Bill Gates for their
>misfortune.
> >
> > Incidentally, Mac users make the same mistake.
>
> What a crock of sh**
>
> MS-Office especially the latest version and excluding EXCEL is one of the buggest
>most convoluted application around. Installing that or IE5 on any NT machine is
>going to destabilize the machine.
>
> dave
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Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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