Linux-Misc Digest #485, Volume #18 Wed, 6 Jan 99 00:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Debian seg fault (Geoffrey Kenneth Holden)
Re: Newbie asks: why Linux? (Richard Steiner)
Re: good office package for linux (Richard Steiner)
Re: How to edit /etc/fstab to mount cdrom automatically? (Chuan Wee)
Re: Rael Player (Roger Atkinson)
Re: gcc vs egcs (Mike Stump)
Re: what are hardlinks for? (Leslie Mikesell)
Real Audio for Linux dilemna (Wallace Barnes III)
Re: HELP! Lost mouse support in X! (Codifex Maximus)
Encyclopaedia for Linux. (M Emmerson)
Re: Why I choose HP-UX over Linux (Kim G. S. OEyhus)
Re: How do I get the kernel source off the ROM CD? (Codifex Maximus)
Re: Modem vs. Sound card (RH5.2) (David Fox)
Re: K6-2 vs. P2 for g77 under Linux (KVS)
Re: Quotas ("Todd A. Wood")
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Emacs! Re: Easy UNIX editor (Richard Slobod)
Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux... (Pete Zaitcev)
Re: Why is GNOME not called a window manager? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas?= Orchard V.)
Glibc2.0.7 where is it ? (Matt)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey Kenneth Holden)
Subject: Re: Debian seg fault
Date: 6 Jan 1999 03:48:12 GMT
John Girash ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: : Geoffrey Kenneth Holden writes:
: :> My friend is running Debian 2.0 on his computer. (So am I, but I haven't
: :> had any problems) When we try to run Wordperfect 8 or Netscape, we get a
: :> segmentation fault. Has anybody else had this problem? If so, what is the
: :> solution?
: another possible problem: insufficient memory. Are you trying to run NS4 or
: WP8 on an 8MB machine perhaps? Just a guess of course. (I think the vendors
: recommend 9.5MB and 16MB minimum respectively).
: jg
: --
: "don't listen when you're told / about the best days in your life : Spirit of
: a useless old expression, it means / passing time until you die." : the West
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: -- John Girash --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://skyron.harvard.edu/ --
Nope, his machine is a PII with 64MB RAM.
We decided to try RedHat instead. Netscape and WP work fine now, but X
is having a hard time with his video card (ATI 3D Rage Pro). We can't get
better than 640x480 on it. (but we had 1024x768 with Debian)
--
Geoff/Upsilon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:43:12 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, dave dufeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>I am a Linux neophyte who is questioning whether this is the OS for
>me. Perhaps some of you could put my mind at ease as to whether or not
>Linux is an OS for programmers only.
I'm not a programmer in a PC context at this point, but having a more
technical bent helps quite a bit when installing Linux, I think.
Obviously general computing experience is also useful (the more varied
the better), with any command-line-oriented OS experience being a plus.
Programming skill/knowledge isn't really needed. But a general user
who is interested only in end-results would probably find Linux to be a
fairly trying experience, at least without a mentor.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Bigamy: too many wives. Monogamy: see Bigamy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,pl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: good office package for linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:54:01 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>There is no way in hell that could be downloaded, the line will go
>dead way before it's done. What we need is to be able to get it
>with NcFTP.
Huh? I was able to grab both the Linux and Solaris versions of it at
V.90 speeds. It's not that hard.
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-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
The secrecy of my job prevents me from knowing what I do.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:09:28 +0800
From: Chuan Wee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to edit /etc/fstab to mount cdrom automatically?
Just put this line in your fstab. You might need to change the device name
/dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 ro 0 0
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From: Roger Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: osu.sys.linux
Subject: Re: Rael Player
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:05:10 -0800
Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands wrote:
>
> Antal Tamas wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I downloaded Real Player (tm) for Red Hat 5.2. I can not use it ,
> > though. When I start it I get its window but when try to start playing
> > it finds the source but does not play. If I browse the clip I can get
> > static pictures from it. Maybe it has problem with the CPU powwer (last
> > time it had, but I then installed Linux again by other reasons)
>
> This is the same problem I've been having with RealPlayer since RedHat
> 5.0 Realplayer will fire up, the clip will load, but it won't play. It
> just
> sits there and does nothing. Skipping ahead in the file will give me
> static
> pictures, but that's it.
>
> I've asked numerous questions regarding this and I'm still no closer to
> a solution. I'd appreciate any help with such.
>
> (For the record, I also and running RedHat 5.2 on a Pentium 166)
I don't know if this will help but I downloaded RealPlayer from there
Web site, installed it as was instructed in the readme and it has been
working fine. I also have a P166 w/RH5.2, ATI Mach64 PCI video and a
sound blaster 16.
Hope this helps,
--
Roger Atkinson Unix Sys Admin (Solaris, IRIX, HP-UX, DUX)
Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux newbie and thinkin it's great !
Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: gcc vs egcs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:33:17 GMT
>There are ongoing discussions as to how to bring this about.
>A reunification now appears likely.
Not only this, but some people are actually merging in egcs into the
FSF tree.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: what are hardlinks for?
Date: 5 Jan 1999 14:32:07 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Juergen Heinzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>what are hardlinks for?
>>Where do I NEED them?
Once upon a time the only way to rename a file was to make the
second link, then unlink the first.
Suppose you had a huge file and you wanted a lot of people to
have copies of it. You can make hardlinks into their home
directories (assuming you are root or they have given you a
writable directory). Then you can remove your link and give
everyone instructions to remove theirs when they are done
(downloading, reading, or whatever). When the last link is
removed the disk space is released without additional
housekeeping.
You can also take advantage of the fact that link() is an atomic
action that fails if the target already exists (at least on
most unix filesystems other than NFS). Multiple programs can
use this for concurrency control by creating a temporary file
name, then attempting to link() to the agreed-upon name. If
the link succeeds, the process can assume that no other instance
currently exists. Once upon a time this was about the only way to
do concurrency control under unix.
Les Mikesell
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From: Wallace Barnes III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Real Audio for Linux dilemna
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 04:16:24 GMT
Hello All,
I have downloaded and installed the realaudio for Linux software.
The plugin is in the proper Netscape directory and setup through the
browser itself. When attempting to play a clip, the browser starts up
the real audio player and I'm off. So I thought. The player contacts the
host and the sits there saying it is buffering the clip but nothing is
being buffered. I checked the statistics option from the menu and it
confirms that nothing is being received. Has anyone run across this
problem ? If so, how did you fix the problem ? My environment is as
follows:
Pentium 233 MHz
96MB RAM
100MD Swap
Netscape Communicator 4.07
Slackware Linux 2.0.35
Real Audio Player 5.0
Thanks for any help !!!
Wally
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP! Lost mouse support in X!
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:38:10 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My Linux box (RH5.2) is currently stuck in X without
> mouse support, and I do not currently have anything
> onscreen except the configurator box. How can I exit
> X? I can get to another virtual console, is there an
> elegant way to stop X from there?
>
> Thanks in advance
> One-more-newbie
Also, edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config file in the mouse section.
If you have a PS/2 mouse, you may need to set it to "PS/2" and
"/dev/psaux" instead of "Microsoft" and "/dev/mouse" - your /dev/mouse
may be linked to the wrong device.
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:51:49 -0800
From: M Emmerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Encyclopaedia for Linux.
I'm very pleased with my version of Encyclopaedia Brittanica (EB) '98
for MS Windows, but
am rather less pleased with MS Windows itself. I spend 98% of my
computer time
running Linux on my laptop and would really love to have access to an
encyclopaedia
on it.
So...
1) Does anyone know of any encyclopaedia versions that run under Linux?
2) Does anyone know how to figure out the file format that EB uses so I
can write my own front-end if necessary? The CD is stamped with an
"RC4
symmetric Stream Cipher" logo, and comes with a 12-digit license key
that
is needed by the installation software (which didn't work at first, when
I
called tech support they gave me a second one, without needing to know
the
first one, so perhaps there are multiple keys to unlock it). Even
assuming
I could decrypt it, I'm still left with an undocumented format. Any
ideas/experience?
I've e-mailed Brittanica with a request for a Linux version but got back
a fairly-standard
response saying it's "designed to run only under Windows" (given that
their product
is 99% reference material and 1% front-end, this seems to miss the
point) and
they will pass my request on to the technical people (whatever that
means). I sent
them a medium-length treatise on why releasing on other platforms will
help them
compete with one of their notable rivals, Encarta by MicroSoft, who may
be able to
practically give away product but would be institutionally incapable of
recognizing other platforms. Perhaps if a few other people raised
similar points with them (http://www.eb.com/bcd/) or other vendors, we
might be lucky enough to see some action...
Martin Emmerson
Remove the fake stuff from my email address to reply, or send it to the
newsgroup.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim G. S. OEyhus)
Subject: Re: Why I choose HP-UX over Linux
Date: 5 Jan 1999 19:36:44 GMT
Ilya wrote:
> OK, I feel cold and need flames to warm me up. I want to list the reasons
> why I prefer HP-UX over Linux.
As I have singlehandedly administered all the Hp-ux machines for a large
telecomms company for 3.5 years, as well as making embedded controllers
with linux, I think I am competent to answer this.
> The main reason is the Mirror-UX utility available as an extension of the
> LVM program. The standard LVM allows one to manage disks and logical
> volumes very easily, but Mirror-UX let's one mirror disks. Have 2 disks in
> the volume group, mirrored, one crashes and you don't even notice it. If
> that is not impressive, I don't know what is. Make them both bootable. I
> don't know anything about Linux but from what I heard an analogous program
> that does not exist. Under Linux, the hard drive crashes, and you lose all
> your data unless it is backed up.
There are raid solutions for Linux. I could write software to do
a similar thing myself, by simply dumping one disk to another one on
shutdown.
> LVM, even without optional mirroring, makes filesystem management piece of
> cake. If you want to decrease or increase a logical volume such as /usr,
> /opt, /var/, /stand, /tmp/, /var/adm/crash, just bring the box to single
> user mode, unmount it, run lvextend or lvreduce and and boot back up to
> multi. There is even a way to do it in multi-user mode. How does one do
> that in Linux? Well, one can't, since everything is under "/". Fill up
> your /tmp and everything fills up. To decrease a logical volume, one has to
> rebuild the machine.
There are systems for Linux that partition the file system out to
several disks, without that unnecessary complexity of logical volumes.
Sun and Digital have similar systems. Compared to these, LVM is an
obfuscated horror. Besides, unless things have changed recently,
the probability of messing things up with LVM is very high.
I remember when I discovered that lvextend extended the file system with
another type of file system. The result was a volume partially hfs and
logged filesystem. lvreduce never worked. The menudriven system botched
a volume, forcing me to use command line instead, which actually worked
sometimes.
> Software management with SD-UX. swlist, swremove. Patches. I am not aware
> of a Linux program that does software management as well.
The limits of your knowledge is quite apparent, and it is nice of you
to admit so. Anyway, I have never had to patch a Linux system, as they
have been stable and consistent. Hp-ux has been terribly inconsistent
in my experience. Linux has several systems for patching. What is
really nice, is that one can patch the source code of the kernel,
an impossibility in hp-ux.
> Books. HPUX has dozens and dozens of support books. Every man page is also
> available via hard copy, I found that very useful when dealing with
> problematic systems in single-user mode that don't have man pages
> available. There are many books that go in depth about Unix subjects on
> the HPUX platform, unlike very entry-level Linux books I see at book
> stores. HPUX books like
>
> HPUX System Administrator Tasks - very useful
> Configuring HPUX for Peripherals
> Installing HPUX and upgrading from HP-UX 10.0x to 10.20
> HP 700/96 and HP 700/96ES HP 700/98 and HP 700/98ES
> High Availability Storage Systems
> Managing MC/Service Guard (BTW, heard of MC/Service Guard for Linux?)
> Installing and Administering NFS Services
> Installing HPUX 11.0 and Updating HPUX 10.x to 11.0
Ghastly books, with a lot of repetition and pictures of hardware.
Favourite quote from hp book:"If this happens, contact your system
administrator." Terribly irritating when one is the system administrator.
Fortunately i solved that problem, by experimenting in NetBSD at home,
and guessing the hp-ux variant of the mechanism.
> The list goes on and on and on. These are very good manuals that make
> Linux books I see look like 5-th grade learning materials. The material is
> available on a CDROM (LROM).
You have obviously not read anything significant on Linux.
> Hardware. HPUX machines are all SCSI. Most Linux machines are not, and do
> not make as stable servers as all-SCSI machines. The bargains people see in
> Walmart and the Computer Shopper are good deals, but not necessarily the
> best machines available.
With Linux you have the possibility to buy cheap machines, and expensive
ones, all with more performance and stability compared to cost than hp
machines.
> These 300-400Mhz machines might have the listed
> CPU speed, but the BUS is typically a lot slower, and that is the
> bottleneck. I heard an estimate that a 300Mhz PC is equal to a 100Mhz HPUX
> server in terms of overall speed.
No. I administered some of those, and it definitely was quite a bit slower.
(Of course I assume compare with equivalent disks and memory.)
> The HPUX workstations I have seen are so
> stable. I keep them up for months. The only reason mine crashed recently
> was because I accidently stepped on the power cord under the desk and
> unplugged it. HPUX (and Sun, and DEC) has better hardware, much better
> kick-ass monitors compared to any PC ones I have seen.
You have obviously not seen much of monitors.
They come in several price ranges and quality ranges.
You get what you pay for, except when you buy hp, which gives you
less value for your money.
> HPUX is popular. So many data centers around the country have powerful
> servers running it, if you know HPUX, you will always have a job, more jobs
> than you can handle. I don't think this statement applies to Linux.
I don't have more jobs than I can handle.
> What else. HPUX 10.20 is Y2K compliant with patches. 11.0 is a 64 bit
> operating system. Does Linux have a 64 bit OS? Is Lunix Y2K compliant? How
> do you know? Is it officially certified as being compliant?
Linux IS a 64 bit OS when run on 64 bit machines like the Alpha processor.
Yes, linux is Y2K compliant. I know this because it Unix, which don't have
that problem. The source code is available to inspekt for Y2K errors,
and people have inpected that. Real examination is better than officially
certification.
> I might give Linux a try when it evolves to the level I am comfortable
> with. I like the idea of freeware and non-proprietary hardware, but at this
> time I do not feel it is in my best interest to invest in the Linux
> platform. Feel to free to convince me otherwise. Linux is good for what it
> does: A learning platform, a way to get started. I think HPUX and Solaris
> both exceed it in every way except for price.
You should base your thoughts less on your feelings and more on
experience and facts. As I said, I have administered hp-ux for 3.5 years,
and I find Linux much stabler, friendlier, easier, more efficient, than
H-Pukes.
Kim0
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I get the kernel source off the ROM CD?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:46:02 -0600
Yan Seiner wrote:
> I am at my wit's end. I've been trying to get the kernel source off a
> RH 5.1 CD (the second one.) I can see the kernel____.src.rpm. When I
> try to use rpm (rpm -ivv kernel___.src.rpm) I get the diagnostics, it
> pauses, says it's installing a source RPM, takes some time, and the
> source NEVER APPEARS ANYWHERE. I even ran it with the cute little
> status indicator. It scrolls by, no error messages, and no source.
>
> So, i figured, I'll use glint. Downloaded the latest Xfree, compiled,
> installed, ran it, fired up glint. It tells me that the directory
> /mnt/cdrom/SRPMS contains no RPMs! I can see them, I can copy the rpms
> I want off the CD, I just can't get ANY FILES OUT OF IT AT ALL!
>
> Any help at all will be appreciated. I have to recompile the kernel.c
> and the lp.c to add support for the com and lpt ports I need, my plotter
> is down, and I can't get at the bloody source. This is driving me nuts.
>
> Yan
I believe the directory structure of the Source CD may be different from the
Installation CD. You will most likely have to hit the configure button on
the Glint main window to redirect it's search for RPM's to a different
location. By default the search is made at /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS - it'll
need changing.
By the way, the source code for the kernel is available on the RH5.1
Installation CD and by default goes to the /usr/src directory, installs the
kernel source, makes a linux link to the source dir, and installs the files
necessary to do normal compilations of kernel and other source. Make sure
you install all the *devel packages that you need for compilation. Install
all the make utilities like autoconf.
New stuff can drive you nuts until you figure it out! Then you'll have a
sore backside because you'll be kicking yourself over how easy it really
was. :)
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Modem vs. Sound card (RH5.2)
Date: 05 Jan 1999 12:34:10 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> When I first installed RH5.2, I finally got my modem working by running
> setserial to set the IRQ and making sure that the serial port speed in
> minicom matched the speed reported by setserial.
>
> Then my modem suddenly stopped working and continued to be dead after
> repeated re-installs.
>
> I think I know what my problem is, even if I'm not quite sure how to fix
> it.
>
> My modem (USR Sportster V.90 Data/Fax internal) is jumpered to COM3, IRQ5.
>
> I finally thought to look in /proc/interrupts and found that my sound card
> (SoundBlaster 16 PnP) had grabbed IRQ5! I'm pretty sure my modem stopped
> working *after* I ran sndconfig.
You need to mark irq 5 as "legacy/ISA" or somesuch in your BIOS
setup. Then your plug and play sound card won't try to grab it.
(Unless you're out of IRQs.)
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: KVS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.benchmarks,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips
Subject: Re: K6-2 vs. P2 for g77 under Linux
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:57:36 -0500
G. Hugh SONG wrote:
>
> I have seen a small benchmark indicating
> that K6-2 is actually faster than P2 at the same
> clock speed for g77 under Linux.
> However, I lost the reference where I read that result.
> Unfortunately, that was the only one benchmark
> for such a task. I am specially interested in
> the g77-under-Linux performance.
> Has anybody worked on such comparison?
Do a search of DejaNews archives, I saw it there
recently (I think it was a PPro 200 vs K6 233
comparison). The reason why the K6 (and K6-2)
appear to perform well under g77 is that it
can't optimize all that well. I get a factor
of two speed improvement on CFD type code
on the same processor using Digital Visual
Fortran 5. If your code is integer heavy
then the K6 is fine, but if you want serious
floating point performance (in the x86 domain)
then wait for the K7 or get a PII.
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:48:51 +0100
From: "Todd A. Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Quotas
Jay D Ribak wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have successfully setup quotas on my system. I have edited quotas for
> a few test users. As those users I have exceeded the soft quotas and hit
> the hard quotas. It gave the user the proper warnings in those cases (i.e.
> user quota exceeded and such). Repquota presents the proper info about
> those users when I run it. The only thing that ISN'T working is the user
> 'quota' command. When I run the command as one of the users, it says User
> quotas for username (uid xxx): none. Obviously this is false, as there IS
> a quota and the quota has even been exceeded. I would like to implement
> quotas for users, but the whole system is useless to me if the end user
> cannot check their quotas on their own.
>
> <snip>
Try using the the -v parameter... "quota -v"
i.e.
[tawood@tawman /stage]$ id
uid=500(tawood) gid=500(tawood) groups=500(tawood),0(root),100(users)
[tawood@tawman /stage]$ pwd
/stage
[tawood@tawman /stage]$ quota
Disk quotas for user tawood (uid 500): none
[tawood@tawman /stage]$ quota -v
Disk quotas for user tawood (uid 500):
Filesystem blocks quota limit grace files quota limit grace
/dev/hda6 75638 0 0 139 0 0
[tawood@tawman /stage]$ grep stage /etc/fstab
/dev/hda6 /stage ext2 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 1 3
--
[root@tawman /stage]# repquota /stage
Block limits File limits
User used soft hard grace used soft hard grace
root -- 19496 0 0 97 0 0
tawood -- 75638 0 0 139 0 0
1000 -- 98 0 0 3 0 0
18940 -- 5851 0 0 6 0 0
33108 -- 554 0 0 115 0 0
Looks like it is working same / as design as yours.. who knows.
Sincerely,
Todd A. Wood
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 6 Jan 1999 04:56:43 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> ]Linux's survival hangs on a DOJ thread. It is an interesting article and one
>> Where? What DOJ throead? What has the DOJ to do with Linux?
>nothing directly. however, microsoft does indeed have an impact on linux,
>and the DOJ may potentially have a great impact upon microsoft, and thereby
>indirectly upon linux.
And this is "hanging by a DOJ thread"? I assume it is also hanging by a
Penguin thread, since one of the Antarctic penguins might fart and open
up the Ozone hole and fry all the plantlife on earth, and Linus would
starve and then where would Linux be?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Slobod)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Emacs! Re: Easy UNIX editor
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:46:31 GMT
[followups trimmed to comp.editors as this thread is being rather
excessively crossposted]
CSO Visitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >Well, actually there is one bug/feature in vi that drove me nuts:
> > > > >To insert *ONE* character you have to type *THREE* keys: "i", the character,
> > > > >and "ESC".
> > > >
> > > > Inserting one character is a worst case proposition for vi. Whatever
> > > > time you lose in those rare instances is recouped 1000 times over
> > > > during normal use simply because it's so efficient in most other
> > > > respects.
> This is hardly a "rare instance"! I spend a good fraction of my vi
> time doing it. Is there a way to make a vi macro or somesuch to get
> around this problem?
Yes, you can map a key to " i_<esc>r" (without the quotes of course)
to get a insert-one-character command. Note that you have to enter
the "<esc>" by typing <Ctrl-V><Esc> if you're not using Vim (Vim will
accept the "<esc>" as-is).
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comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Zaitcev)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:12:43 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>In article <368e86a7.0@calwebnnrp>, Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>JFS.
>>LVM.
>>Mirroring and stuff
Ilya, check out the work of Ingo Molnar and support him.
Personally I do not agree on how he ties LVM and VFS but
he is very competent anyways.
>Does LVM do things you can't with RAID controllers like the Mylex DAC960?
>It will do the mirroring, hot spare swaps, etc. I think you can
>add drives to existing volume groups if you need to grow a partition
>but under Linux you would need to shut down and make the change
>through the card's ROM bios.
Think Big, Leslie. My workhorse system has 6GB of RAM and 56 drives
attached. Ultimately when your system grows it outgrows controller
boundaries. Then you need a software RAID to bind pieces together.
Besides, cost of hardware controllers mounts pretty quickly when
your system gets bigger. I imagine if Ilya could spare some megabucks
he spent on EMC or HP or other hardware RAID with Ingo he would
win big money in the end with software LVM.
--Pete
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas?= Orchard V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why is GNOME not called a window manager?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:14:49 -0400
How can I use the logout from gnome panel to get out of XWindows?
thanks,
MATIAS O.
"J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" escribi=F3:
> Shalu1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Is it because it runs on "top" of X11?
>
> No. For the same reason it isn't called a time machine: because it isn'=
t.
>
> You might want to check out the GNOME website (http://www.gnome.org) an=
d the
> FAQ listed there, which has an entry "What is GNOME?".
>
> HTH,
> Ray
> --
> Cyberspace, a final frontier. These are the voyages of my messages,
> on a lightspeed mission to explore strange new systems and to boldly go=
> where no data has gone before.
--
Mat=EDas Orchard V.
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ICQ: 460589
why reboot? use Linux.
Red Hat 5.2 ~ kernel 2.0.36 ~ KDE 1.0
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:25:19 -0500
From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Glibc2.0.7 where is it ?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Help,
I need to upgrade to glibc2.0.7 I have upgraded to 2.0.6 but
now I need glib2.0.7 does anyone know where I can get a download
of the locale, crypt and other files I need (like the 2.0.6 ones ?
Many thanks
Matt
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