Linux-Misc Digest #562, Volume #21 Fri, 27 Aug 99 19:13:12 EDT
Contents:
SUMMARY AGAIN for tar hoses system ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MP3 Player (Cliff)
Re: Shutdown Problem (Peter Samuelson)
Re: VMware - wow! (steve mcadams)
Re: VMware - wow! (steve mcadams)
Re: File system repair after crash (FS)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Alan Swartz)
Re: MP3 Player (Bill Anderson)
Re: VMware - wow! (Jason Pell)
Re: need a book ("Benedikt Hochstrasser")
Re: SambA security problem or bug?! ("Benedikt Hochstrasser")
Re: Shutdown Problem (Alan Swartz)
Re: why not C++? (Phil Hunt)
Preserving Date Stamp When Downloading (Young4ert)
Re: netscape 4.51 for linux (Anita Lewis)
Re: File system repair after crash (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ ("Sreenivasa Sista")
What script executes before X11 starts? (Joshua Li)
Re: *nix vs. MS security
need a book (Kevin Phung)
telnet connects, but 'closed by foreign host' b4 prompt (matt shobe)
Re: Where is "glint" after RH6.0 upgrade?!? (Anita Lewis)
Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Re: How to uninstall package compiled by source code? (NF Stevens)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SUMMARY AGAIN for tar hoses system
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:42:47 GMT
> Have you tried tar'ing to /dev/null instead of a real device? That way
> you could possibly determine whether it was the input or output that
was
> at fault.
>
I hadn't thought about that and tried it after I read this. The error
didn't occur, pointing again to the tape drive.
Well, I "borrowed" another similar drive and it works so it was the tape
drive, even though the tape drive worked fine in a similar situation
with the same card and cable. Maybe something happened to the drive...
I appreciate the help from all; this actually forced me to learn more
about Linux, and in the process I streamlined and upgraded my kernel.
Greg
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Cliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,redhat.general
Subject: Re: MP3 Player
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:20:33 -0700
Hello,
This is pretty much the same as winamp player.
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS/x11amp-0.9_alpha3-6.i386.rpm
Cliff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Using Red Hat 6.0
>
> AMD K6 233
>
> 96 MB of ram
>
> Trying to find some way to play my mp3's and nothing is working does anyone
>
> have any suggestions on getting them to work?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> Thad
>
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> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Shutdown Problem
Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:49:39 -0500
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[stan168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> I was thinking if the user just want to turn off the power without
> doing a shutdown properly. Is there any way to prevent the checking
> (fsck) at booting time and data corruption?
Mount all your local filesystems read-only.
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:58:54 -0600
Eric deRiel wrote:
> steve mcadams wrote:
>
> > It is my understanding that the Intel x86 architecture lacks a couple of
> > instructions that make TOTAL TRANSPARENCY impossible. This is why I was
> > initially skeptical.
>
> If being a true virtual machine implies hardware-supported
> transparency, then your objection is reasonable. But if a software
> layer makes up for the missing functionality, such that the OS running
> on the vm still ends up with no knowledge of its circumstances, what's
> the difference?
If the OS running can't tell the difference, then the only disadvantage is
performance.
> As for the issue of "full processor speed" in VM/ESA, those systems
> were certainly subject to slowdowns if loaded enough. I know little
> about the architecture at work, but experienced it enough as a user
> to be quite sure on that point. :)
I suspect it depended on configuration and hardware. I certainly used systems
that were supporting over 2000 interactive users and response was fine; but
these were true big-iron systems with enough power that they had to be
water-cooled.
I always thought it was goofy as hell when they had to shut down the computer
center and call a plumber because of a cooling system problem :-)
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From: steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:15:52 -0600
It wouldn't surprise me if Intel has already done this and hasn't told anyone;
it also wouldn't surprise me if it was part of the next AMD processor. As you
say, it would be easy enough to do.
I'm running a PII-333 at home and it's fast enough for everything I expect to
do with it for years. A virtualizable processor is one of the few things that
would cause me to actually pay money for a new processor; I certainly don't
need a 400 or 500 for the things I do with it, but running NT, Linux, and BeOS
all on the same box at the same time would be so cool I wouldn't be able to
resist.
Doug DeJulio wrote:
>
> The point is that you *can't* do this perfectly on today's
> IA32-compatible systems.
>
> You can get close. You can fudge the parts you can't do by performing
> slight hacks on the OS you run on the virtualized machine (VMWare does
> this, eg. with its special X server or Windows display driver).
>
> You can switch things over to interpreting the machine code rather
> than running it directly, which will get you even closer (but then why
> not use PoewrPC or Alpha underneath, instead of a physical version of
> the virtual CPU you're emulating?).
>
> The part of this that's a shame is that it'd only take a few tweaks to
> IA32 to make virtualization really possible. I believe a non-Intel
> vendor (eg. AMD) could do those tweaks in a way that doesn't break
> compatability with any code that isn't aware of it, and build a truely
> virtualizable x86 box. But nobody appears to have done so.
> --
> Doug DeJulio | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> HKS, Incorporated | http://www.hks.net/~ddj/
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From: FS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: File system repair after crash
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:08:36 GMT
A 200bhp is a wee bit in excess don't you think?
"Stuart R. Fuller" wrote:
> Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Thanks for all the advice. I'm not sure that synchronizing my file systems
> : would be a huge help here, since I only have two -- the root and the /home.
>
> That's not what the "sync" option is. The "sync" option is to write data to
> the file system syncronously - that is, when a program writes to a file, write
> the data to the disk immediately, instead of writing it to a buffer and
> flushing the buffer to disk later.
>
> : I have no clue what a UPS is, however, so that seems to be the next area of
> : research for me!
>
> Uninterruptible Power Source. Anywhere from a little box with some batteries
> and an inverter, to a 200HP diesel generator.
>
> Stu
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From: Alan Swartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:53:12 -0400
Wolfram Gloger wrote:
> "Words are practically meaningless without context. These are Linux
> newsgroups. Everything that is considered part of the Linux system is
> supposed to be `free' at least in the sense of `freedom to modify and
> improve'; not everyone but the vast majority of Linux users and (to an
> even larger degree) Linux developers share this view. This is also
> perceived to be one of the major strengths of freeware as opposed to
> software that simply doesn't cost money.
That's right! But, I don't think that the term "freeware" is an appropriate
synonym for "free software" since the term "freeware" is definitely used in
the sense that Max Reason speaks of xbasic being free.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Alan Swartz
work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ# 15001670
Abandon Windows, Try on Linux
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,redhat.general
Subject: Re: MP3 Player
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:41:41 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Using Red Hat 6.0
> AMD K6 233
> 96 MB of ram
>
> Trying to find some way to play my mp3's and nothing is working does anyone
> have any suggestions on getting them to work?
www.freeamp.org
www.xmms.org
and one already on RH6: mpg123
Bill Anderson Linux/Unix Administrator, Security
Analyst
ESBU (ARC) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My opinions are just that; _my_ opinions.
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From: Jason Pell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: athome.users-unix,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:41:15 +1000
I installed it on my Linux 2.2.1 Redhat system and then installed Windows
95.
The OS runs nicely, although not as fast (obviously) as what it does in
its native installation. The stability of the system is _Much_ _Much_
better than Wine, probably due to the fact that vmware is a virtual machine
like :-) program while Wine is designed to provide a software API that
mimics
the one provided by Microsoft for its OS's.
I realise what you are saying about it not being truly a virtual machine,
but
the chance to have Windows 95 running where it belongs (in an X window)
is really nice.
The only problems that remain are: The license fee, Australian dollars
$160 approx (maybe more!) and the fact that I would have to throw in a new
processor to get the speed.
The other problems are the doco's that are a little sketchy/confusing. I
tried
for days to get a bridged or local host interface working so I could access
my ppp connection from Windows 95 in vmware.
Note: {Anyone with a surefire set of instructions that I could have a go at
again.}
Also I couldn't ever get the printer to work. I guess this last one makes
sense
as the /dev/lp0 is protected and only the spooler has access - vmware is
not
the spooler.
So you see, I am not of the opinion that vmware is perfect, but I like the
idea
of running another OS within my favourite platform (linux) for things like
Microsoft Word (which I need for work) and Oracle database access
(SqlNavigator sqlplus (which I also need for work.), just got to get the
network
actually working....
Cheers
Jason
steve mcadams wrote:
> Jason Pell wrote:
>
> > I was not aware that vmware was claiming to be a virtual machine _OS_,
> >
> > but just a virtual machine running _within_ an OS.
> >
> > Your thoughts.
> >
> > Jason
>
> I hope that I didn't imply that I thought it was fraudulent or
> anything. I just don't see it as very useful compared to a true virtual
> machine operating system. Its reliability will probably be on the same
> order as WINE. I'm sure there are things one could do with it, but
> personally I don't think I'd want to fiddle with it. Buying a used
> system for $300 or so would give reality and Win/Linux network easily
> enough.
>
> By all means, go for it. There are all kinds of fun things to play
> with, vmware could well be lots of fun.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/9778
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From: "Benedikt Hochstrasser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: need a book
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:36:03 +0200
Er, ain't it in your /usr/doc/... somewhere? I even have it on my Slackware
CD...
Kevin Phung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 7q6ual$fth$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Linux administrator guide by olaf kirch.
> I know it's available online for free but I can't find it.
>
> Thanks ahead of time
>
> --
> Kevin
> Icq 7952563
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From: "Benedikt Hochstrasser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: SambA security problem or bug?!
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:43:04 +0200
Raymonds.
> I have defined a service called sybase. This service uses:
> comment = Sybase development tools
> path = /opt/sybase
writable = no <- add this
> write list = @sybase
readable = no <- add this
> read list = @sybase
> oplocks = true
> force group = sybase <- yuck! you force even guests into the sybase
group?
>
You forgot to close out the 'others' - you must deny access to all and then
allow
it to certain users.
And remove the 'force group' statements.
'man smb.conf' will expain everything, and smb.conf-sample shows it as well.
Regards, Ben (bhoc at pentagroup in ch)
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From: Alan Swartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Shutdown Problem
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:03:33 -0400
stan168 wrote:
> I was thinking if the user just want to turn off the power without
> doing a shutdown properly. Is there any way to prevent the checking (fsck)
> at booting time and data corruption?
I'm curious: Why would you want to do that?
--
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work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Abandon Windows, Try on Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 99 18:27:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Timo Tossavainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Phil Hunt wrote:
> >
> >> BTW, has anyone read Stroustrup's paper where he suggests overloading
> >> the whitespace operator? It's quite an elegant idea, for example
> >> mathematicians would be able to write:
> >>
> >> v = a x + b y + c z;
> >>
> >> instead of the usual:
> >>
> >> v = a * x + b * y + c * z;
>
> I believe there is a language that uses space as an operator,
> SNOBOL,
Dunno about SNOBOL, but Awk uses space for string catenation.
> one of the more interesting artifacts of the Cambrian Explosion
> of language design back in the what? 50s, 60s?
That's a cool name for it.
> Don't remember many
> details about it though.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Preserving Date Stamp When Downloading
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:26:09 -0400
Some software packages are only distributed through webpages in which
one can only download using a web browser. If you use the netscape to
download any software package or file, chances are the date stamped on
to the file gets changed to the day and time you download the file. Is
there away to preserve the original date stamped on the file when
download through netscape?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anita Lewis)
Subject: Re: netscape 4.51 for linux
Date: 27 Aug 1999 21:38:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since you have RedHat, be sure to get rpm's. You will need both the
common and the communicator. Redhat has them in their download section
for 5.2 and 6.0.
Anita
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:18:27 GMT, slightlytwisted <slightlytwisted@thekeyboard.
com> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I have redhat 6.0 installed and it came with netscape 4.51. It's always
>> crashing whenever anything that has to do with java is on the website
>> I'm trying to access. How can I fix this. Thanks.
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>get netscape 4.61
>--
>slightlytwisted
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: File system repair after crash
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:10:00 GMT
It depends on the size of your computer room. Have you seen the computer
room, and the batteries and the diesel generator_S_ at CompuServe's facility in
Columbus or Dublin, Ohio?
FS ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: A 200bhp is a wee bit in excess don't you think?
:
: "Stuart R. Fuller" wrote:
:
: > Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > : Thanks for all the advice. I'm not sure that synchronizing my file systems
: > : would be a huge help here, since I only have two -- the root and the /home.
: >
: > That's not what the "sync" option is. The "sync" option is to write data to
: > the file system syncronously - that is, when a program writes to a file, write
: > the data to the disk immediately, instead of writing it to a buffer and
: > flushing the buffer to disk later.
: >
: > : I have no clue what a UPS is, however, so that seems to be the next area of
: > : research for me!
: >
: > Uninterruptible Power Source. Anywhere from a little box with some batteries
: > and an inverter, to a 200HP diesel generator.
: >
: > Stu
:
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From: "Sreenivasa Sista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:08:28 GMT
XDM returns you to the default login screen everytime you exit the xsession
(on your own/due to X crash).
You may want to change the default startup to runlevel 3 from runlevel 5.
Look for the following line in your /etc/inittab
id:5:initdefault
change it to
id:3:initdefault:
note: you can do this only as a root/su.
Reboot the system. On your next system startup you will go to the non-xdm
login prompt. You can login and start xsession using "startx" (without
quotes). The xsession will break as it used to do earlier. But, this time
you can see a bunch of text messages after the X crash. These messages may
provide some hint about what's going on in your system.
Sreeni
kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> DeAnn Iwan wrote:
>
> > Are you overclocking, by any chance? If so, try turning down the CPU
> > speed a bit and see if the problem goes away.
>
> Nope, not overclocking at all.
>
> - Kev
>
> >
> > kev wrote:
> > >
> > > Robin Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well it's just done it again! I'm using Red Hat 6, and every now
and
> > > > > then, it just decides to log me out, thus losing all unsaved
information
> > > > > from the apps I had open. It doesn't give any hint that anything
is
> > > > > wrong, it just logs me out. This is _very_ annoying. What was that
about
> > > > > Linux being the stablest OS there is?
> > > > >
> > > > > So I'm forced to appeal to you guys to give me some insight into
what is
> > > > > wrong. Again. I've had so many problems with RH6, I spend far too
much
> > > > > time trying to fix problems when I should be using it to be
productive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do non-Red Hat users have these problems?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > - Kev
> > > >
> > > > Anything of interest in the messages file? E.g. PANIC ...
> > >
> > > I checked as soon as I logged back in and didn't see anything
untoward.
> > >
> > > > Your description is unclear, do you just lose X or the whole system.
> > > > If X then which Window Manager?
> > >
> > > All my windows get closed and I get taken back to the login screen
(dialog
> > > box, ie X running).
> > > I use Gnome with Enlightenment.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If not it could probably be a hardware fault e.g. build up of heat.
> > > > Does the problem happen after five minutes or five hours of uptime?
> > >
> > > About once a week or so.
> > >
> > > I'm convinced there must be one underlying problem, cos Navigator
keeps dying
> > > for no apparent reason, even though I turned Java off - my NN dies if
it gets
> > > near any Java. I have posted many questions about this, received many
replies
> > > and tried every fix under the sun, but I still can't get it to like
Java.
> > >
> > > ta,
> > >
> > > - Kev
>
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From: Joshua Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: What script executes before X11 starts?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:30:58 GMT
I am trying to autoload Xfstt during boot. The FaQ says to do so I must
execute "xfstt &" few sections before X11 starts. Which initiate script
should I put this line in?
thanks
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:30:58 GMT
I STRONGLY recommend you drop the class (if it is not too late), and take
it later from another instructor. You should also make it a point to speak
to the head of the department (probably using some of the material from
this discussion along with your notes on the instructor's presentations to
make your case). You are paying for your education and you have a right to
make comments of this type.
You should DEFINITELY NOT confront the professor. Anyone who would make
such statements in the first place will have no interest in the truth (as
he did not bother to learn it beforehand). That is a debate you will not
wwin, especially if you confront him in public.
As for hard data about the real world, you have seen some of it already in
earlier posts. In particular, for the security question pay attention to
the comments about "Orange Book" certifications (the B1, C2, etc.
comments).
As for what is used in the real world, I spent seven years in Air Weather
Service: including three at USAFETAC (doing data warehousing before the
term was invented) using MVS and Unix systems (no windows), and three at
the Air Force Space Forecast Center, using OpenVMS and Unix (no windows).
The primary reasons we did not use Wintel platforms: stability and security
(if an AFSFC system went down, astronauts could die).
In the commercial world, I have consulted at telecommunications companies,
cable companies, gas companies, manufacturing companies, the state of
Colorado, and a few others whose industry is narrow enough that I would not
want to risk revealing who they are. In the vast majority of cases, these
companies used Unix flavors (AIX, HP-UX, OSF/DEC Unix, Solaris, and yes -
Linux). There were also companies using MVS, OpenVMS, and "obscure" OSes
like MPE.
Only about a third of those companies also used Wintel servers to support
their business operations, and NEARLY ALL the ones that did ALSO used an
equal number of Unix systems in their business.
In particular, NO ONE (that I have ever seen documented) runs an ENTERPRISE
database on NT (note I did not say workplace or workgroup DB - the
distinction is size and user load).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Phung)
Subject: need a book
Date: 27 Aug 1999 21:01:09 GMT
Linux administrator guide by olaf kirch.
I know it's available online for free but I can't find it.
Thanks ahead of time
--
Kevin
Icq 7952563
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From: matt shobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: telnet connects, but 'closed by foreign host' b4 prompt
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:25:56 GMT
Telnet from anywhere has suddenly gone pear-shaped for my new install
of Mandrake 6.0. (it used to work fine.) Whether I telnet to my local
IP while logged on at the console, or try from some other machine on
the net, the result is the same:
Trying x.x.x.x...
Connected to [hostname].
Connection closed by foreign host.
[shell]>
I've looked at /etc/allow.host and deny.host, and both are blank (no
entries). other posts suggested allowing my remote IP, but I've added
it and nothing's changed. the fact that i can't telnet to myself when
at console makes me think it's something else, as well. is there
another default config thing i could've changed that has muddied the
works? another 5.2 machine on our network has the same allow. and deny.
files (blank) but it works fine.
gee whiz, i'm lost. any help most appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anita Lewis)
Subject: Re: Where is "glint" after RH6.0 upgrade?!?
Date: 27 Aug 1999 21:44:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess you could pick it up at www.redhat.com downloads under 5.2. In my
Installation manual it is called glint version 2.6.1. If you get it and
try rpm'ing it, it should tell you if you need anything else for it that
they have taken away.
Anita
> >"Steve D. Perkins" wrote:
>>
>> I just finished upgrading my RedHat 5.2 system to 6.0 using the
>> "upgrade" option... and have just noticed yet another problem
>> caused by this worthless upgrade.
>>
>> I've experimented with "gnorpm" under Gnome and "kpackage" under
>> KDE... but I always go back to good ol' "glint"... my favorite
>> application for dealing with RPM packages. However, now after
>> this upgrade to RedHat 6.0... "glint" is nowhere on my system!
>> I've searched the entire filesystem... but it seems that the 6.0
>> installation program removed it for some reason (is it considered
>> obsolete these days or something?!?).
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone could tell me the name and/or location
>> of the specific RPM package containing "glint", so that I can
>> manage to get this tool back on my system again. Thanks!
>>
>> Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Subject: Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy
Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:37:24 -0400
> There is a danger that Microsoft will attempt to `absorb' Linux by
> distributing its own version which contains Microsoft only
> extensions. But they would have to be careful about how they did
> that because of the GNU Pulic License. Linux enthusiasts should
> avoid being seduced by anything Microsoft offers along these lines.
What would these Microsoft extensions look like? Would they be
GUI-like additions to make Linux look more like Windows or would they
be attempts to change the foundation (proprietary kernel modules,
"enhanced" versions of basic system utilities etc.)?
We should embrace any GUI-like extensions which do not tamper with the
foundation. These will attract the Windows crowd to Linux. We should
resist attempts to hijack the OS foundation.
Microsoft's main strength (in the business sense) is the breadth and
comprehensive nature of its proprietary offerings. If a Microsoftish
system consists of components A, B, C, ... Z, Microsoft's best defense
against a third party developing a replacement for component C is the
fact that the interface between C and the rest of the system is
obscure, so the third party replacement will never work as well as the
Microsoft original. In order to compete with Microsoft on one front,
you have to compete on all fronts.
In the best of all worlds, MS Windows evolves into a GUI running on
top of an open-source OS. Since the interfaces between Windows and
the OS must be well defined, it now becomes more feasible to write
third party/open-source replacements for individual Windows
components.
Divide and conquer.
Collin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: How to uninstall package compiled by source code?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:55:58 GMT
"Y.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi:
> I have a question, what's the best way to unistall package compiled
>by source code?
>
>Recently, I have installed ssh-2.0.13 by compiling source code on my
>slackware box because I couldn't find tkg package. However, later I
>found out ssh2 is not compatible with ssh1, so I have to downgrade to
>ssh-1.2.27. but now I have trouble unistalling ssh-2.2.13 'cause I have
>no idea where all the components went to...
>
>I was wondering if you are a big fan of source code out there. how do
>you manage to uninstall later?
A lot of packages have an uninstall option in the makefile. Try
running "make uninstall". If that doesn't work you could try
installing it to a temporary directory (i.e.
"make prefix=/tmp/somewhere install") and looking to see what
has been installed in /tmp/somewhere.
Norman
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