Linux-Misc Digest #562, Volume #18 Sun, 10 Jan 99 22:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: ppp with isdn ("Jeremy L. Buchmann")
Re: USB modems (Kyle Dansie)
Re: .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Eric)
Re: Joystick in Linux (Kyle Dansie)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Robert Barnes)
Re: compiling question. (Yon Han CHONG)
Re: Linux fails to boot after dual-booting Windows 95;Reinstall LILO and it works
again!? (Chris)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ("Omni�")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeremy Crabtree)
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From: "Jeremy L. Buchmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.linux.isp,;,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ppp with isdn
Date: 11 Jan 1999 01:02:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi I'm really new to Linux and need a little help.
: I just bought RedHat 5.2 and installed it on my Pentium200.
: Installation went flawlessly. X windows is up and running. Now I
: want to connect to the internet.
: I have a 3com Impact IQ external ISDN adapter connected to com2.
: I've been using the control panel utility to configure my computer in
: X. I used the modem utility to configure the modem on com2. I then
: added the device 'ppp0' in network devices. I then entered my
: username and password for my ISP for this device.
: Now what? How do I connect to my ISP?
Tom,
There is an unmaintained how-to at:
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/unmaintained/mini/PPP-over-ISDN
Basically, you run pppd and chat to handle your connection. Also read the
PPP docs that came on the CD. I don't know where they are in RH, but look
for something like /usr/doc/pppd. There, you should find a reference for
all the arguments to pppd.
Hope That Helps.
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Jeremy Buchmann "Those who trade freedom for safety deserve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] neither freedom nor safety." -- Ben Franklin
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:42:24 -0700
From: Kyle Dansie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB modems
I think the USB driver is still in development state. For more info see
http://peloncho.fis.ucm.es/~inaky/USB/news.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED](Eric)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: 11 Jan 1999 02:38:21 GMT
>why's that
>you selling yours?
>how old are you kid?
>I get replies like that on alt.2600.newbies
oh, how cute. old enough to know how to mount /dev/cdrom /mnt
yeah, i had a 2600 when i was your age, but i knew how to put the cart
in a turn on the power.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:48:07 -0700
From: Kyle Dansie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joystick in Linux
Brady Bonnette wrote:
>
> Hi all! I have a question that hopefully someone out there knows the
> answer to.
>
> Ok, Im wanting to get my joystick set up in Linux (kernel 2.0.35). The
> joystick is a PantherXL (made by MadCatz),
On this page it says this joystick is supported. Check it out.
http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~vojtech/joystick/
Cheers,
Kyle
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:46:21 GMT
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:46:16 +1300, Con / Tiki
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
wisdom:
>Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>
>> On 08 Jan 1999 01:57:01 +0100, David Kastrup
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
>> all with this bit of wisdom:
>>
>> >"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> >> The consumer has spoken, but will this affect Penfield Jackson�s
>> >> rulings? Of course not, a biased and angry Penfield will rule
>> >> against Microsoft on every count and impose the most severe penalty
>> >> he believes possible. But not to worry, there is a contingency plan
>> >> in place regardless the DOJ trial and appeals outcome. Long live
>> >> Microsoft.
>> >
>> >Well, in *our* country court cases are decided by the law, not by
>> >public votes, but of course, in the land that has made lynching
>> >popular the procedures might be different.
>>
>> Do I understand this right? A German citizen wants to name call based
>> on a countriy's past? A [******] GERMAN wants to go down that road?
>> Were you absent on the day they went over your country's history, in
>> say the 1940's? You might want to go look it up before you start this
>> kind of [****].
>
> Please don't put your foot in your mouth. The USA has done many things
>that were not very ....... too.
The US has never committed genocide. Trying to compare anything
anything in US history to the Holocaust is just plain absurd.
>Being racist towards Germans won't help any
>countries p.r. one bit either.
Firstly one cannot be racist towards Germans. German is a nationality
not a race. Secondly I wasn't condeming German. Goofball was trying to
say that ther 600 whop have lynched in US history (About 1/3 were
white too.) is equivalent to the 11 million that the Nazis
slaughtered. I was objecting to that.
>
> Forget that, it's MS that is being talked about.
> That the majority of the public thinks one way doesn't make it *right*.
I actually agree with that.
> MS spends a vast amount of money on marketing - don't forget that. They
>are really buying support. Remember that false grass-roots complain they
>were planning?
This kind of tactic is common in politics. Most of the supposed
protests are done by rent-a-mobs.
>
> Much of what people complain about in MS's marketing strategies can only
>be understood by technical people (imo).
Like it or not this case is political not technical. Almost everyone
canunderstand the underlying issue - Should the government be allowed
to impose the kind of draconian, idiotic and inflexible regulations on
the computer industry rthat it has saddled most other industries with?
It doesn't take any technical skill to get ahold of that.
> Now, according to this poll, more
>people support MS than own a computer (in the USA). - So do these people
>who don't own a computer understand API's, OS's, OEM lisenceing,
>Integration & the other issues - I think maybe not.
They just need to understand that freedom is preferable to slavery. I
believe that most do. For whatever reason you seem to prefer slavery.
>
>thanks,
>bye.
>
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:51:51 GMT
On 10 Jan 1999 15:52:07 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose
to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>> Windows is priced in line with other commercial OSs.
>
>redhat linux goes for $50 from the redhat people. that is a
>*commercial* (although not proprietary) OS.
You're geting ripped off. My local Best Buys has it for $37.
The difference is that is has almost no developement costs. Its done
by volunteers. That's why I said it was silly to compare it to a
commercial OS. I guess I really meant a commercially developed OS.
Red Hat doesn't have anywhere near the investment in Linux that
Microsoft has in Windows.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: 11 Jan 1999 02:44:03 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Omni� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
eloquently scribe:
: I wasnt asking you
: are you the local showoff here?
: and fyi every new gen of an intel cpu has
: different instructions
: besides dipshit i wasnt asking for an asm routine
: I was asking the dude for machine instructions
OOOOO. Picky picky picky.
: since when can a cpu understand "%" as anything but text
Since when did a CPU understand the concept of text?
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From: Robert Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:58:20 -0500
jedi wrote:
>
> On 10 Jan 1999 15:52:07 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
> >> Windows is priced in line with other commercial OSs.
> >
> >redhat linux goes for $50 from the redhat people. that is a
> >*commercial* (although not proprietary) OS.
>
> Actually, that version sells at retail for $30.
>
Actually, Redhat is free if you have the download time :)
(I prefer to buy the CDs)
Doesn't anyone in this thread remember the IBM "monopoly"
in the '60s? They had over 60% (60%! not 90%) of the market and
the DOJ came down on them so hard that the court case lasted
for over 10 years.
The final solution was for IBM to separate their OS from their
applications divisions.
Trivia question: Did you know that IBM used to give out their
OS source code to help developers write appications for their
computers.
-bob
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From: Yon Han CHONG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling question.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:41:19 +0100
dan pellerin wrote:
>
> I was wondering if I was doing this right.
> On Redhat 5.2. I recompile the kernel as follows.
> From the /usr/src/linux directory
> make mrproper
> make menuconfig (choose the modules and such)
> make dep
> make clean
> make zImage
>
> boot with the new kernel.
>
> cd to /lib/modules
> remove the old modules.
> move the modules to modules.old
> cd to /usr/src/linux
How did you remove the old modules? You should move /lib/modules to
/lib/modules.old. You should remove /lib/modules/2.x.xx to get ride of
the old modules. Currently I am using Kernel 2.1.125 and have following
directories:
$ ls /lib/modules/
2.1.122/ 2.1.125/
>
> make modules
> make modules_install
>
> reboot.
>
> on reboot it seems the modules are not found.
>
> Did I miss a step or do something out of order?
>
> thanks for any ideas or advice.
> dan pellerin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux fails to boot after dual-booting Windows 95;Reinstall LILO and it
works again!?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 03:06:20 GMT
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:31:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric
Hardwick) wrote in comp.os.linux.hardware:
>So the order of events is like this:
>1. Turn on machine; Get LILO boot: prompt.
>2. Choose Windows 95; Win95 boots correctly.
>3. Shut down Win95; Reboot machine; Get LILO boot: prompt.
>4. Choose Linux; Watch boot messages (gets past HDD detection,
>mounting drives, fsck)
>5. Machine reboots itself when loadable modules line is displayed
>(Loading vfat...), right after vfat item is displayed.
Is your Win95 partition FAT or FAT32? There is a known bug in Linux (as
of 2.0.36) which *may* cause the kernel to crash if you mount a defective
filesystem. To the FAT12/16 code, a FAT32 filesystem *is* defective.
Next time you get a successful Linux boot, edit the fstab file so that the
Win95 filesystem does not auto-mount. You may find that this cures the
problem.
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From: "Omni�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:07:24 +1100
Tim Trainor wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
Omni� wrote:
>
> I did that
> and it all checks out at boot
> but what is the damm command to connect to the net!!!!
> as I didnt set it for auto connect , thats not what i want
> i like to connect when I want to - its a control thing
> like in win98 I just click an icon
> do I have to type 100 or so characters with foward slashs every so often
> just to log on?
. Or, a veteran C programmer like
yourself should have no trouble writing a short shell script to run chat
and pppd, right?
I think thats premature , don't you?
> >And of course the first time you sat in front of a M$ loaded machine you
> >just digged in and type "copy con" to get a new file, right ? The command
> >is so intuitive that a retarded movie star on crack could figure it out,
> >right ?
>
> I guess I'm quick to forget
> I remember peter norton was a big help
> wish he'd write a linux primer
If you could cd /usr/doc (Hey! isn't that the same as DOS?!!), you would
find many, many files explaining damn near EVERYTHING. If you could get
that pesky ppp link working, you would find megabytes more all over the
Net.
thanks I checked that out
> >Did M$ make since the first 50 times you used it ? Is "dir" a more
obvious
> >command than "ls" ? Give it a little time and you'll find yourself doing
>
> actually I smiled when dir (enter) worked
> kinda felt at home
> and yes dir is more obvious
> however "list" would be better
>Isn't "ls" even better than "list"?
yeah I guess it is
> >actual compuring instead of pointing and clicking. And of course the main
> >benefit is that you'll finally get rid of the pathetic Blue Screen, the
>
> funnily enough , after 9 years of using windows I dont get that blue
screen
> anymore
So, obviously you *did* get it at one point or another. funnily enough,
the more I used windows, the more often I got BSOD.
>
> >obnoxious "please install IE 4 to proceed", the "please reboot your
system
>
> I dont use IE , I prefer doing all my tasks manually
> telnetting to the the appropiate port
> believe it or not
> I dont use a mouse in win except to log on :)
BS. I don't believe this for a moment. What fun is it reading
unformatted html? FTP doesn't work over telnet, either, so really, what
is left? telnetting to sendmail and attempting to forge your address? Or
NOT using telnet, and reading/posting news with Outlook Express?
I said that I dont have http service , but it is done , if all you want is
txt
and I can ftp with telnet you just need 2 sessions going simualtanously,
ports 20 & 21
ever tried it?
> >to get this new mouse driver working"....the list goes on and on.
>
> uhm PnP doesnt require a reboot for a mouse
> (sorry to get technichal)
Every driver I've ever installed in Windows needed a reboot afterwards.
> >LOL. Now here's a statement worth arguing about, but since you're so hot
in
> >programming, try recompiling the NT kernel to leave out support for
PCMCIA
> >cards. It can be a little tricky, but since you're such a programmer it
> >shouldn't be a problem.
>
> would you like some help in that dept?
> its not as hard as you think
> once your used to it
> I guess the same arguement goes for unix
So you are implying you've done this? More BS. Where did you get the
source?
no of course not , I never mentioned source
but NT is configuarable , you just need to know how
Grow up and stop pretending ,
who's pretending , I tell it like it is
and please DO use that spell-checker.
why should I?
I wont learn how to spell that way
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 11 Jan 1999 03:09:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mayor Of R'lyeh allegedly wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:46:16 +1300, Con / Tiki
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
>wisdom:
>
>>Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>>
>>> On 08 Jan 1999 01:57:01 +0100, David Kastrup
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
>>> all with this bit of wisdom:
>>>
>>> >"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> The consumer has spoken, but will this affect Penfield Jackson�s
>>> >> rulings? Of course not, a biased and angry Penfield will rule
>>> >> against Microsoft on every count and impose the most severe penalty
>>> >> he believes possible. But not to worry, there is a contingency plan
>>> >> in place regardless the DOJ trial and appeals outcome. Long live
>>> >> Microsoft.
>>> >
>>> >Well, in *our* country court cases are decided by the law, not by
>>> >public votes, but of course, in the land that has made lynching
>>> >popular the procedures might be different.
>>>
>>> Do I understand this right? A German citizen wants to name call based
>>> on a countriy's past? A [******] GERMAN wants to go down that road?
>>> Were you absent on the day they went over your country's history, in
>>> say the 1940's? You might want to go look it up before you start this
>>> kind of [****].
>>
>> Please don't put your foot in your mouth. The USA has done many things
>>that were not very ....... too.
>
>The US has never committed genocide. Trying to compare anything
>anything in US history to the Holocaust is just plain absurd.
The American Indian...case closed.
[SNIP]
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difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts that are
not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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