Linux-Misc Digest #608, Volume #21 Tue, 31 Aug 99 01:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: VMware - wow! (Christopher Browne)
Re: HP PPA printer language, Liunux supported??? (Christopher Browne)
Re: "unknown" in uname output ? (William Burrow)
I need some help with overall stuff (Jon Jaworski)
Re: Had it with RH6 (Mike Detlefsen)
Re: new to linux (Adrian Hands)
Re: Load Average - 1.00 all the time since 2.2.12 kernel (William Burrow)
Trouble with make dep ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Migrate SCSI to IDE (William Burrow)
Re: why not C++? (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
newbie questions??? (Rotax)
Re: newbie questions??? (letdown)
about quota ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: what is the largest partition Linux file system can handle? (Mark Hahn)
Where is the X11/Netscape clipboard stored??? (Brent Miller)
Re: *nix vs. MS security (Christopher Browne)
Re: installation from CD-R ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: reverse wget ?? how to upload (William Burrow)
Migrate SCSI to IDE (Carsten Bliessen)
Logitech Soundman Wave: Step by step? (David L. Vessell)
Pixmaps and GimmickMode errors when running KDE ("Andrew Tait")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:18:11 GMT
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:28:21 +0100, Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The VM approach goes in the opposite direction; instead of having
>> fine-grained threading where you share as much as possible, you move
>> to having completely separate virtual machines, where in order to get
>> data between VMs, some Special Code needs to be invoked.
>
>Have you ever heard of uQLx? It's the linux QL emulator, and one of the
>recent additions to that is the ability to make it fork into separate copies
>of itself so you can have multiple QLs working on the same machine.
>
>I think the inter-process communication between these forks is done rather
>cleverly with the QL network emulation... This means all the virtual QLs can
>talk to each other using the standard SuperBASIC interpreter...
>
>(could be wrong though)
>
>Just thought I'd mention it because it seems to be a similar thing to what
>you were talking about.
While I was generally aware of the existance of a QL emulator, I was
not familiar with that; it sure sounds a lot like what I was
describing.
The killer question, of course, is whether or not people are writing
code for Virtual QL instances running atop Linux... :-)
--
OS/2: Why marketing matters more than technology...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: HP PPA printer language, Liunux supported???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:17:38 GMT
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:26:18 GMT, Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have an HP 712 C that uses the PPA, and it works beautifully under
>Linux using the pbm2ppa filter, except... no color. Yet. The author
>seems to think he'll have color implemented fairly soon, though.
I'm a bit surprised that HP hasn't seen fit to sponsor creation of a
Ghostscript driver that produces PPA.
That would definitely be in their interests, and HP keeps claiming to
be "Linux-friendly" these days...
--
"You'll be rid of most of us when BSD-detox or GNU comes out, which
should happen in the next few months (yeah, right)." -- Richard
Tobin, 1992. [BSD did follow within a year]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: "unknown" in uname output ?
Date: 31 Aug 1999 02:03:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:23:41 -0700,
Mike Tuxford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>:If I enter "uname -a" I get some useful information about the active kernel.
>:What does the "unknown" in the last column mean ?
>
> yes, can we get to the bottom of this? I am easily confused.
>
>burp:~# uname -a && uname -p && head -n 5 /proc/cpuinfo
>Linux burp 2.2.10 #1 Thu Jul 29 02:57:44 MST 1999 i686 unknown
The unknown is the architecture. Confusingly, the documentation
indicates that the ``hardware'' is i686 in this case (uname -m), and
that the ``processor'' is unknown (uname -p). My understanding is that
the GNU or Linux people thought that the maker of the hardware should
go in this latter field. This was discussed in the past sometime, so
my memory fades on the topic, but IIRC the idea was that one doesn't
know who manufactured a given machine, so it is unknown.
In comparison, a Sun machine I tested reported ``sparc'' for
processor. An OpenBSD Intel box reports ``i386'' for hardware and
``Intel Pentium (P54C) ("GenuineIntel" 586-class)'' for processor.
Unless I'm mistaken, I'm not sure if the uname command on Linux is
consistent in this light with other Unices. Perhaps a topic for debate
and change. (Even if I am confused on the intents of Linux developers,
for sure Linux knows what processor is in the machine and likely who
made it).
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: Jon Jaworski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: I need some help with overall stuff
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:31:03 GMT
Hi, I have to say, (even after spending the extra 100 bucks on Win98) I
want switch to Linux. Now how do I do this? Can I run my games on it? What
do I need to learn? Is Linux really a coding language or what? Will all my
other nifty programs run off it? (Netscape, Outlook, NeoPlant, Corel 8, my
scanner software, and V3 card software, all designed for win95/98)
Thanks for your help and please do respond!
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Subject: Re: Had it with RH6
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Detlefsen)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:59:26 GMT
Duy D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's something wrong with its sndconfig. The system would freezes
> solid when I ran sndconfig. It gave a resource conflict, which never
> happen in RH5.2, and shouldn't happen.
This _always_ happened to me with 5.2. With 6.0, also. I finally went
over to the OSS site and got drivers that worked correctly, with no need
to use sndconfig.
--
Sorry, but it's a bogus address in the header.
Score one for the spammers.
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new to linux
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:57:00 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Be warned, though, there's a lot of PC hardware out there that simply WON'T
> work with Linux. Check out RedHat's Hardware compatibility list
> [http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/hardware/intel/60/rh6.0-hcl-i.ld.html].
> It's pretty much applicable to most current versions of Linux.
I've done quite a few installs and haven't run across a system yet where
it didn't work eventually...well, except that old 386 laptop that only
has 2MB RAM...
I could be just lucky...
> If you're soundcard is not listed at compatible, don't even try to install
(soundcard ? surely you meant to say video card)
> Linux. You'll note that I'm posting this from my Windows machine. That's
> because my main production machine has the SiS 6326 video adapter ON THE
> MOTHER BOARD! [I would not have purchased this model had I known that the
> video was not on a card...] Until I find out how to disable the on-board
> video so I can slap in the 8MB Matrox Mystique card I have handy, I'm stuck
> using Windows.
XFree86 3.3.4 now includes support for SiS 6326.
I haven't tried it, but is listed as new in 3.3.4.
3dfx Voodoo and Trio3D too (I've tried them, they work!)
My Compaq Presario 9234 has a built-in video card. I checked the mb
jumpers, but none disabled the built-in video. I searched the ng's and
someone suggested that most mb's with built in video cards will
automatically disable the built-in card if you plug another card in. I
tried this and it worked. (The built-in card worked okay with Linux,
but not with my fixed-freq monitor.)
Your advice to check the hardware compat list is very good - I'm just
saying if it's not on the list, don't let that stop you!
DO use the list as a "shopping guide" though when buying new hardware.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Load Average - 1.00 all the time since 2.2.12 kernel
Date: 31 Aug 1999 02:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:51:36 GMT,
Robert L. Klungle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Since installing the 2.2.12 kernel (upgrade from 2.2.10) uptime or top
>> report a minimum of 1.00 for a load average. 'CPU states are low,
>> eg., 0.9% or so for both user and system. Do I need to upgrade
>> top/uptime or something up???
>FWIW, I am running a dual SMP 2.2.6 system. I also get somethig similar:
> 9:47am up 12 days, 18:13, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.02, 1.00
>
>I think the important thing is the CPU states, not the load average
>In my case I am running setiathome on one CPU, nice -19, giving 49.8
>percent on one and 49.3 percent idle.
Your load average is about one because you have one program (seti@home)
that is scheduled in the running state all the time. If you stopped
that program, your load would drop near to zero.
BTW, since you have a CPU free, why not run one of the many other
``idle'' programs out there, there are many to pick from, such as the
Mersenne numbers search, rc5 crack and so on.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Trouble with make dep
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:39:28 GMT
I have a fresh install of the 2.2.5 kernel and am trying to compile the
kernel (for ftape). Anyhow, when I run make dep I get the following
error:
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers/fc4'
Makefile:10: ../../.config: No such file or directory
make[4]: *** No rule to make target `../../.config'. Stop.
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers/fc4'
make[3]: *** [_sfdep_fc4] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers'
make[2]: *** [fastdep] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5/drivers'
make[1]: *** [_sfdep_drivers] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.5'
make: *** [dep-files] Error 2
PLEASE HELP!!!!! Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Migrate SCSI to IDE
Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:11:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:35:34 +0200,
Raymonds Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can copy the complete drive either with mc or a recursive copy,
cp -a works for me. It ignores mount points if you use the
--one-file-system option, which is a bit annoying. Some recommend tar
or cpio, but these have certain hassles that one must be aware of.
>or with dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/hda this is a good way.
No, not good at all. I once had to break to someone that their new 10
gig disk was not going to be all that useful if it had only one large
partition on it with a dd'ed image from a 1 gig drive. This case is
practically guaranteed to be as bad or similar.
>>>>>Also make sure your kernel has IDE support in it!!!<<<< Before
>restarting the system.
This is critical.
>> must configure of course and fstab (?) and what else ? Or can I work
>> with my backup ? What happend if I restore the whole System on a
>> minimal System ? Does that work ??
It should, but be sure the kernel is the new kernel with IDE support.
You might also want to take advantage of the situation and start over
again with a new distro. If you have your /usr/local and /home
partitions separate, the biggest pain is setting up /etc and /usr/lib.
(How many dumb programs install themselves in /usr/local then stuff a
library in /usr/lib? Too many.)
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:17:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, NF Stevens wrote:
[snip]
> int main (void)
> {
> char *p = NULL;
> printf ("%p\n", GetAddress (*p));
^^
> return 0;
> }
The behavior of the marked tokens is undefined. You are dereferencing a
NULL pointer; that will compile, but the behavior is known to be undefined.
In other words: the problem occurs *where you call the function*, not within
the function 10 lines down the function header (where you don't recall what
the hell was going on).
This was hashed out on c.l.c++.m some time ago.
--
Benoit Goudreault-Emond
CoFounder, KMS Group ; Student, B. Comp. Eng, Concordia University
``Being too close to a fireball can worry a man --- to death.''
-- Zeb Carter in "The Number of the Beast" by Robert A. Heinlein
Note: the "From:" address is not correct to protect myself against spam.
My actual e-mail address is: ``bgoudem AT axess DOT com''
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From: Rotax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: newbie questions???
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:31:02 GMT
i'm a newbie running phat linux (based on mandrake). and i have a k6-2
300 w/ 98mb ram and a viper v330 vcard.
1 of my ?s are, 'why does linux say i only have 64mb of ram?'.
my other 1 is, 'how kan i get a diff. rez in x-windows'? i'm using kde
and ran the 'xf86config' and set it to 800x600 but it still goes back to
640x480.
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From: letdown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: newbie questions???
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:48:40 -0400
Rotax wrote:
> i'm a newbie running phat linux (based on mandrake). and i have a k6-2
> 300 w/ 98mb ram and a viper v330 vcard.
>
> 1 of my ?s are, 'why does linux say i only have 64mb of ram?'.
>
> my other 1 is, 'how kan i get a diff. rez in x-windows'? i'm using kde
> and ran the 'xf86config' and set it to 800x600 but it still goes back to
> 640x480.
>
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fyi, x-windows is a M$ product, Linux uses the "x windows system".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: about quota
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:23:12 GMT
I installed redhat 6.0 in a machine. After I added quota on /, the
machine will die at umounting file system when I reboot. After I reset
the machine, the machine will die when I run "passwd".
Why?
Thanks for your help.
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps.comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: what is the largest partition Linux file system can handle?
Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:41:00 GMT
> trying again. never got any answer on this yet.
perhaps because you've screwed up your address.
> Any one knows what is the largest partition Linux ext2 can handle?
I presume you really mean "largest filesystem" here. as I recall,
with 4K blocks, which is a good idea, it's around 150 TB.
> But every time I reboot, I get errors on that fs (missing inodes, or
well, how are you rebooting?
> this is using SUSE 6.1, kernel 2.2.5
that's hardly a modern kernel; there may also be updates to your fsck.
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From: Brent Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where is the X11/Netscape clipboard stored???
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:17:38 GMT
I'm wondering if Linux or Netscape its self stores clipboard info
in a varialble or in a file somewhere on the drive. What I'm basically
trying to do is find a way to make it easier to use pgp with netscape
mail. I was thinking it would be cool if there was a way to copy the
text from netscape's compose window, either through netscape's copy or
via the X11 way (highlighting the text) and basically do the
following:
echo $CLIPBOARD | pgp -seatf > &CLIPBOARD
Does anybody have any suggestions on how to do this?
Thanks,
Brent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:18:20 GMT
On 30 Aug 1999 16:40:53 GMT, Philip Brown
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 28 Aug 1999 18:07:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>I added the supplemental suggestion of volunteering to research
>>computer security with a view to a syllabus that would favor neither
>>UNIX nor NT, as neither OS should be the focus of the research.
>
>it is almost impossible to do research on "security", without
>reference to a specific OS. the results would be almost completely
>meaningless.
You are quite correct that reference would need to be made to one or
more specific operating systems. I was certainly implying such.
The phrase that you quoted there merely provides the suggestion that
neither UNIX nor Windows NT be the focal points of the research.
--
Perhaps there should be a new 'quantum' datatype; you would be able to take
its address or value, but not both simultaneously.
-- Michael Shields
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/security.html>
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installation from CD-R
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:21:54 -0400
> Anyway, how can I
> install Linux from a CD-R?
God... I have GOT to get some sleep! I was starting on a
critcizing reply about software piracy... and in the middle of
the first paragraph I suddenly remembered which newsgroup I was
in. Oops.... <smile>
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: reverse wget ?? how to upload
Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:22:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 30 Aug 1999 20:11:57 GMT,
Frank da Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: I need to upload a tree to a server over multiple sessions.
>:
>: So I need something like a reverse wget that will allow:
>: 1. recursive ftp mput.
>: 2. overwite control -- ignore files already existing on the server.
>: 3. continue sending half sent files.
>: 4. good validation.
>:
>: Is there anything that does it?
>:
>Yes, C-Kermit 7.0 does all of that:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
>
>except I'm not sure what you mean about multiple sessions.
>
>You'll need C-Kermit 7.0 or the equivalent on each end. Tell the
>one on the source send to "cd xxx" where xxx is the root of the
>desired directory tree, and then "send /recursive *". The Kermit
>program on the far end should be told to "set file collision
>discard" (or "update" might make more sense: only accept incoming
>files that are newer than existing ones).
>
>If the connection is broken, do the same thing again, but this
>time tell the sender to "resend /recursive *".
>
>- Frank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carsten Bliessen)
Subject: Migrate SCSI to IDE
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:55:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi together,
I have a little problem with my Linux System.
It is actually runs as a SCSI only System, but i must migrate the
System and the Data Disk to a IDE Harddisk. What must I look for on
configuration Files or wich config files i must change to migrate it
with no big Problems ?
Can I copy the whole System from SCSI to IDE Disk ? Okay okay, LILO I
must configure of course and fstab (?) and what else ? Or can I work
with my backup ? What happend if I restore the whole System on a
minimal System ? Does that work ??
THX for every Information!!
BTW: Sorry for bad language, I hope you understand my problem ;-)
with best regards
Carsten Bliessen
at work Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
at home mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: David L. Vessell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Logitech Soundman Wave: Step by step?
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:31:06 GMT
Hello all....
I picked up a second-hand Logitech Soundman Wave. Supposedly, it is
supported by Linux. But I have no clue what the present settings are, and
the sound how-to refers to a "microfile" binary that I don't have and can't
seem to get anywhere. I've heard that these are nice cards, but frankly,
the sound docs that come with the kernel don't do a good job of telling me
exactly what kernel settings I need, and I'm not sure how I can go about
determining the interrupts, addresses, and DMAs on this thing.
I know I'm asking a lot, but if anyone can steer me towards a resource that
does a better job of getting this card working, I'd appreciate it. Also,
if there are any DOS utilities I might be able to run to determine the
current hardware settings, please let me know.
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From: "Andrew Tait" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Pixmaps and GimmickMode errors when running KDE
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:50:52 +0100
Hi,
I get the following message when running KDE - "Some pixmaps were invalid:
GimmickMode dissabled". The message appears after I have closed KDE down. It
doesn't SEEM to cause any problems. Any idea what is causing this? I'm
running SuSE 6.2. Even knowing what "GimmickMode" is would be a start!
Thanks
Andrew
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