Linux-Misc Digest #664, Volume #21 Sat, 4 Sep 99 00:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Uncompressing a *.bz2 kernel (Raul Trujillo)
Re: The optimization debate (was: why not C++?) (Carlos Moreno)
Re: Star Office 5.1: Is it just me ... (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: Linux needs AppleWorks (or something like it). (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: [Q] Editing large (~GB) files ? vi ? ("Michael Faurot")
Re: any RAMDISK programs out there? (William Burrow)
$1/Minute Phonesex Dating 40697 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Seeking step by step help with Postgres and Php in Redhat6.0 (Steve - RH Linux
User)
Re: DHCP and never-expired leases (Re-post) (CJ)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Mitchell Schoenbrun)
Re: HELP with Partioning Strategy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
com1 for mouse ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [Q] Editing large (~GB) files ? vi ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DHCP and never-expired leases (Re-post) (Jimmy Lio)
Re: amount of modems in linux... ("Duy D.")
CustomChat Re: Server Chat & Web forum software for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: amount of modems in linux... (AeonFlux�)
Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks! (AeonFlux�)
Re: Uncompressing a *.bz2 kernel (Mircea)
Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake (Jeff Goodman)
Re: Had it with RH6 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: shellscript: i need a tmp filename how get a unique one ? (Lars Christian
Wichert)
Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape ("Jamie Putnam")
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far. (Kenny McCormack)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Guy Macon)
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From: Raul Trujillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Uncompressing a *.bz2 kernel
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:09:52 -0700
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Can anyone give me simple instructions on uncompressing a *.bz2 kernel?
<p>Thanks in advance.
<p>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Carlos Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: The optimization debate (was: why not C++?)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:46:54 GMT
"Paul D. Smith" wrote:
>
> really help the situation or not... or even make it worse.
Actually, I've seen countless situations where one spends hours or
even days optimizing something to get code that runs slower!! It's
really not that rare such situation!
> Remember, slower, working
> code is always better than faster, broken code.
Furthermore, I would even say that I prefer broken but easy-to-read
easy-to-maintain, than correct-super-fast-100%-optimized-impossible-to-
read-and-maintain code... Since in 99.9% of the cases you will have
to change the code in the future anyway (unless it is *really* written
in the future tense -- but in that case, it is obviously not
pre-optimized
code!).
As someone said somewhere (I must have read that in a book, where the
author was quoting someone else ;-):
Software is never written: it is rewritten.
> ...(talking about using pointers vs. array notation)
> I actually do it because I find the
> code simpler to understand that way, but it's probably faster, too.
Dunno. Actually, most compilers produce the *exact* same assembly code
for both approaches.
Carlos
--
My correct e-mail address is moreno at mochima dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Star Office 5.1: Is it just me ...
Date: 4 Sep 1999 01:15:32 GMT
Phil Hunt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Fortunately, from 5.3 onwords, they appear to have employed a
: translator who is fluent in English.
Naaah, the 1000 monkeys behind 1000 typewriters finally got with the
program ;-)
--
Andy Purugganan
annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Linux needs AppleWorks (or something like it).
Date: 4 Sep 1999 01:22:20 GMT
Grant Edwards (grant@nowhere.) wrote:
: IMHO, one of the things that Linux sorely needs is something
: like AppleWorks.
: A nice, simple, light-weight wordprocessor, database,
: spreadsheet, drawing package. Something that will run
: comfortably on a P90 with 24M and fly on a P166 with 32M.
: Or something like WriteNow for a simple word processor.
Hey I second Grant's motion. Let's stay away from bloat for Pete's sake.
Or else all these power hungry voracious software apps will wind up with
a talking paper clip. No thanks.
--
Andy Purugganan
annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
apurugganan AT amadeuslink DOT com
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From: "Michael Faurot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Q] Editing large (~GB) files ? vi ?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 01:25:50 GMT
Christopher W. Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It looks like you are trying to "delete 5M" lines.
: Do any of these lines have something in common that
: the others do not? If so you could do a grep -v <common phrase> oldfile
:>newfile
: That would create a newfile w/o the lines that had the <common phrase>.
: You might try the "top" command to get just a piece of the file to
: work with. ^^^
I believe you mean head.
--
==============================================================================
Michael | mfaurot | Welcome to the Zoo!
Faurot | atww.net |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: any RAMDISK programs out there?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 01:34:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:15:46 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Does someone know of any programs that set up a ramdisk (i.e. portion
>of
>> >the memory that is accessed like a filesystem)?
>>
>> The Linux kernel can do that if you compile in ramdisk support.
>
>But how do I create a filesystem on the kernel-provided ramdisk?
mkfs -text2 /dev/ram
>> You really shouldn't use it for the purpose you mention -- it
>> wastes memory.
>
>No problem. Dozens of Megs spare.
You'll find some other use for it.
>> That's what the buffer cache in the file system code does.
>> Copies files into RAM as you use them, and then back to disk
>> when you're done with them. The existing system is far more
>> efficient at that than just locking a handful of files into
>> memory. Linux is a Real Operating System(tm).
>
>Nonsense. Some 30 Megs of my memory are never used (and of course,
>neither is swap, but that is not important here). If I devote part of
>the unused part of my memory to a RAMDISK then the efficiency of the OS
>is clearly not impaired. Actually, it is drastically improved, since
>normally the hard disk is accessed the first time a file is read, and
>RAM is obviously faster than a HD.
Prime the disk cache by reading the files. The following ought to get
rid of your surplus:
for file in /bin/* /usr/bin/*
do
dd if=$file of=/dev/null bs=1k
done
>Besides, the issue is not performance. I wouldn't mind even if I lost
>some. I need a system that can run for a long time without HD access.
Laptop users tend to prefer this. A ramdisk might work OK for this. I
believe there is a HOWTO about it somewhere (Laptop-HOWTO?).
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: $1/Minute Phonesex Dating 40697
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:17:57 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Steve - RH Linux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Seeking step by step help with Postgres and Php in Redhat6.0
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 02:28:15 GMT
bono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> I been to the Postgres site and try to follow the steps in the page but
> got lost completely since almost all
> of the dir location are not the same and it is really confusing. I
> would hope someone who has
> successfully installed postgres on Redhat to be able to contact me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am really
> hoping to be able to set up this in my machine. In addition I also need
> to know how to use php for webpage
> access authentication.
Isn't it on your Red Hat CD?
It was on mine (5.1) as these *.rpm files
postgresql-6.3.2-4.i386.rpm
postgresql-clients-6.3.2-4.i386.rpm
postgresql-data-6.3.2-4.i386.rpm
postgresql-devel-6.3.2-4.i386.rpm
A simple 'rpm -i pos*' installed it for me.
(of course I got busy doing other things in the
meantime and haven't gotten around to running it yet,
but at least it's installed)
--
Steve Ackman
Manager, New Age Forum http://www.delphi.com/newage
Glass Host, Arts & Crafts http://www.delphi.com/crafts
Metamorphosis Glassworks Page http://people.delphi.com/stackman
-- MSN uses Unix -- http://homepages.msn.com/hobbyct/stackman
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From: CJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,info.ncsa-telnet,hk.comp.os.linux,hk.comp.os.unix,hk.comp.pc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: DHCP and never-expired leases (Re-post)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:32:34 -0500
Jimmy Lio wrote:
>
> > How do I configure dhcpd so that it gives out leases that never expired?
> >
> > Jimmy
I'm not totaly sure I understand?
Are you trying to *not* get a new IP from your ISP?
If the answer is yes. AFAIK it can't be done. It's controlled by your
ISP.
If the answer is no. I have no idea I haven't setup dhcp yet.
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From: Mitchell Schoenbrun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.qnx
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:09:46 GMT
In comp.os.qnx Froilan P Montenegro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, take a look (if you haven't already) at the Ballista project
> at Carnegie Mellon
> ('http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/edrc-ballista/www/') in which QNX
> was found to be the least robust amongst several major POSIX compliant
> OS's (including Linux). An interesting response by QNX is also posted
> there.
Don't you just love drive by shootings like this. I took a look at
ballista. As best as I could figure out, they don't like QNX because
it aborts processes that perform memory violations.
Can someone help me out here?
--
Mitchell Schoenbrun --------- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: HELP with Partioning Strategy
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:38:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (backspace) wrote:
> Thats exactly what I encountered. My hda1 partition is a win98 4 gig.
> I have partition magic so rearangeing is not a problem. how do i go
> about creating this small boot partition (size?, do I mount /boot on
> it and if so how best to go about it?, do I make it active?etc) I have
> to boot from a floppy.
Since it basically just needs to hold the kernel, I'd say as small as
you can get away with. A kernel and the stuff that goes with it should
be under 1 Meg. You'll want at least twice that, so you can keep a
backup when installing a new kernel. On my hard drive a one track
partition is 8 meg (255 sectors X 64 heads),
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: com1 for mouse
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:35:51 GMT
Hi,
I have given a Toshiba laptop which has
nothing but redhat on it. It is a pointer that is
wearing out and i would like to use the mouse
instead. Please in simple language tell me
what and how should configure to make the
laptop work with my mouse. I think i have to
give the pointer for mouse in this case.
Please email your responses to :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Q] Editing large (~GB) files ? vi ?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 02:43:49 GMT
"Andrei A. Dergatchev" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Size of my calculations results' files approaching 1GB
> and it takes "vi" about 2 hours to make "5000000D"
> when I need it. My RAM is 640M and top reports
> that "vi" uses 500M, so I believe RAM isn't a problem.
> So why it's so loooooooong ? Is there any other
> more suitable for large files editing tool ?
>
> Rgds,
>
> Andrei
You might try sed (stream editor) or perl.
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From: Jimmy Lio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,info.ncsa-telnet,hk.comp.os.linux,hk.comp.os.unix,hk.comp.pc,alt.os.linux
Subject: DHCP and never-expired leases (Re-post)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:42:32 +0800
> How do I configure dhcpd so that it gives out leases that never expired?
>
> Jimmy
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From: "Duy D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: amount of modems in linux...
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 02:04:22 +0000
I also have 2 modems, but no problem what so ever under RH6 and Mandrake 6.
External 56K motorola + 56K LT winmodem.
Ruairi wrote:
> I posted an earlier message (below) regarding probs with external modem. I
> think I've cured it. Even though the modem was external I still had the
> original win modem inside the PC, I could only get a response from the
> external modem by taking out the internal modem. This was even after trying
> all combinations of com settings etc. I cannot set the com port in the
> intenral modem as it's plug and play.
>
> Can there only be one modem on a Redhat 5.2 Linux system? Both modems sat
> side by side ok in Windows 95/98 and NT.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ruairi
>
> ----------------------------original
> post------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello,
>
> I have one of those Intenral Winmodem which Linux does not recognise.
>
> In the meantime I purchased an externa 33.6 Micocom OfficePorte Voice modem
> on the assumption that external modems are 'real' modems and that it would
> work. I think Microcom is owned by Compaq
>
> However, I cannot get the system to recognise it. In minicom I set the
> modem up and when exiting it says 'initializing modem' and nothing at all,
> no lights or anything flash on the modem. When the words initializing modem
> disappear and the terminal screen appears but when I try and type AT on the
> keyboard nothing appears on screen. All I can do is press CTRL A Z for
> help. It does'nt matter what com port I place it on.
>
> The modem works ok in windows.
>
> Any one know if this modem can work with Redhat 5.2? I think the modem may
> be plug and play, even if a plug and play modem is external will there still
> be probs. Plug and Play is a guess, there's nothing in the modem doc to say
> plug and play.
>
> thanks,
>
> Ruairi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CustomChat Re: Server Chat & Web forum software for Linux?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 02:58:09 GMT
try www.customchat.com
In article <0_0s3.3905$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Michael Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am researching setting up a Linux server for a web site and would
like to
> set up a web forum and a chat room. Would anyone be able to point me
in the
> direction of Chat software and web forum software that would run on a
Linux
> box. I will probably be using Apache for the web server software.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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From: AeonFlux� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: amount of modems in linux...
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:09:09 -0400
On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:41:33 +0100, "Ruairi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Can there only be one modem on a Redhat 5.2 Linux system? Both modems sat
>side by side ok in Windows 95/98 and NT.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Ruairi
Windows assigned the modem the correct irq, then initialized the
winmodem on another irq and port.
The number of modems is limited by the number of serial ports and
irq's on your system. Try "ls -la /dev | grep -i cua"
AeonFlux�
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From: AeonFlux� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks!
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:14:13 -0400
On 04 Sep 1999 21:41:19 +0200, Jean-Louis Leroy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What about StarDivision's fault?
>
>Jean-Louis
Maybe Sun will get it right.
http://www.sun.com/
The news is simple: Sun has acquired Star Division, a German
software company with a great office productivity suite.
I wonder how much the paid?
AeonFlux�
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uncompressing a *.bz2 kernel
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:22:51 -0400
Raul Trujillo wrote:
>
> Can anyone give me simple instructions on uncompressing a *.bz2
> kernel?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
bunzip2 <filename.bz2>
Also, if it's a .tar.bz2 file, you can use: tar yxf <filename.tar.bz2>
And please refrain from posting in HTML!
MST
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From: Jeff Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:33:06 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ...
> It appears that Red Hat's rpm is more standardized than
> Suse's packager, which would make getting new software easier
> than with Suse. Are there any problems with, say, installing
> Suse 6.2 over RH 5.2? What are the pro's and con's of Suse
> vs. RH?
> --
> Eric Goforth | Senior Applications Programmer | SimTek, Inc.
SuSE's "packager" *IS* RPM.
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Had it with RH6
Date: 4 Sep 1999 02:40:11 GMT
Chris Campbell wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Chris Campbell wrote:
> >Man, I've had with this piece of crap. I've spent in excess of two
> >weeks trying to get everything to work right. I was using 5.2 before
> >and everything worked right, almost the first time. Now, well, it
> >seems like all the major components are broken.
>
> <snipped a bunch of my own whining>
>
> Well now. I guess my rant served a purpose. I buckelled down and voila`!
> I'm now using Red Hat 6.0, and have full sound using my SB16 PnP, I got my SCSI
> Scanner to be recognised, and it works under Star Office and other apps, I got
> Star Office loaded and working, although I'm not sure I want to use it as a
> replacement desktop or not.
> Let's see, what else. I got pppd AND Kppp working. That one surprised me.
> Ksirc. I'm posting this via the KDE News client.
> Kmail works.
> Oh yeah, my Palm III works with Star Office also. :c) Gotta have my toys.
>
> Left to figure out are PGP for unix, and figuring out whether I want to use
> VMWare or WINE to run Agent for news. (I have to be able to do that, as I post
> a flood of binaries in an emu group every month or so, and all my scripting and
> such works with Agent.)
>
> I'm now a very happy camper.
May the source be with you...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Christian Wichert)
Subject: Re: shellscript: i need a tmp filename how get a unique one ?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 14:33:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Cameron Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 30 Aug 1999, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harald Holzer) wrote:
>| How can I get a random integer or the systemtime in milliseconds to
>| create a unique filename.
>| Or is there a better way to do this.
>
>
Yes:
#> man mktemp
MKTEMP(1) UNIX Reference Manual MKTEMP(1)
NAME
mktemp - make temporary file name (unique)
SYNOPSIS
mktemp [-d] [-q] [-u] template
DESCRIPTION
The mktemp utility takes the given file name template and overwrites a
portion of it to create a file name. This file name is unique and suit�
able for use by the application. The template may be any file name with
exactly six of `Xs' appended to it, for example /tmp/temp.XXXXXX. The
trailing six `Xs' are replaced with the current process number and/or a
unique letter combination. The number of unique file names mktemp can
return are roughly 26 ** 6 combinations.
...
Christian
--
In a world without walls and fences - who needs windows and gates?
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From: "Jamie Putnam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:44:53 -0400
I never did Netscape 1 but I did do Netscape 2 on Windows 3.0 and a 386
on a 14.4 I'm not so sure it wasn't better. They didn't have the technology
to send all the ads but then there wasn't as much out there either.
Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: B'ichela wrote:
: >
: > As anyone with only 20MB of ram can tell you, running netscape
: > 4.xx on a loaded system is UgLY! swap space gets used and we all know
: > about the Netscape 4.xx Java crunch. Looking on linuxberg, my local
: > mirror is http://downcity.linuxberg.com There is two versions of
: > netscape 3.04 online. the standard and netscape-GOLD. neither comes in
: > Glibc2 versions however if you want a simple non-hogging netscape that
: > is simpler to use. grab em! This netscape works fine on my system ever
: > shrunk down to 320x200! Netscape 4.08 does Not work that well on
: > small scrreens. Also its user interface in my opinion reminds me of
: > netscape on my Windows 3.1 system (it should, its the same version!)
: > and set up is a snap. the Netscape bin file is the following size
: >
: > text data bss dec hex filename
: > 4163865 762912 57868 4984645 4c0f45 /usr/local/netscape2/netscape
: > Compare that with Netscape 4.08
: >
: > text data bss dec hex filename
: > 9138573 1008604 279320 10426497 9f1881
/usr/local/netscape/netscape
: >
: > It also appears that this earlier netscape does not have the java
: > glitch as far as I can see.
: > Plus Netscape 3.04 starts up Immediatly! No long waits. I
: > ditched Netscape 4.61 recently and switched to 4.08. Now I am
: > considering wiping out netscape 4.08 and just use netscape 3.04!
: > Oh yes, the Netscape 3.04 is Netscape gold, the othe ris
: > Netscape Communicator 4.08 in the above examples.
: > I am placing them on my FTP site which is open from 10pm to
: > 6am 7 days a week Eastern Standard Time. ftp://pinkrose.dhis.org
: > look in the /pub/DLOAD for
: > either one. Both are the Libc5 ONLY versions. these are the Export
: > netscapes. for the strong encryption versions. you are on your own ad
: > I don't use the domestic only versions here.
:
: *NEWSFLASH*
:
: Since you and probably some others aren't aware of this, Netscape
: themselves have put a server up with all their old releases right here:
:
: ftp://archive:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/archive/index.html
:
: The page, on this side of the atlantic, was slow as dirt but I can tell
: you that *ALL* versions of netscape from version 3 and up are definately
: there, and probably the ones that came before them aswell.
: Tell me, did any of you ever browse the internet with Netscape 1? It
: should be up there somewhere. No Java though. Frames? Questionable.
: Style sheets? What the f... are those? Hehehe. Nice to look at what you
: had and what you now have. Gives you a chance to see if what you lost
: was worth what you got in return.
:
: Cooper
: --
: I'd like to take this moment to ask you parents out there:
: Please close the door when being probed by aliens. Think
: of the children...
: - Taken from Squee #4 -
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Subject: Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Date: 3 Sep 1999 22:23:06 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:36:20 GMT, Barry Samuels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>I have been using SuSE since v5.2 ( now on 6.0 ) and, having heard
>>about apt-get, I thought that I would give Debian a try.
>>
>>I bought a 4 CD Debian distribution and installed alongside SuSE. I
>>managed to miss the bit about putting the second CD in first when
>>first running dselect. That instruction should really be more
>>prominent.
>>
>>The installation went well until dselect was first run. It then
>>failed because dselect could not find the file:
>>
>> 'var/lib/dpkg/methods/multicd/available'
>>
>>this was not surprising as it was actually in 'var/lib/dpkg/'. So I
>>put in a symbolic link to point to it and was then able to run
>>dselect. Not a promising start.
>
>Either something is wrong with the layout of the CDs or you've done
>something wrong earlier on in the install. I wouldn't be surprised if this
>is related to your later problems with wdm. I'd suggest a dejanews search
>just in case there is a bug in the instructions.
I got this same error message, and found that it was caused by not doing the
"Update" step. When I did Update, the 'available' file got created, in the
right place.
The other thing I found weird about the multi-cd install is that it fails
miserable unless you start with the second CD (yes, this is documented in
README.multi-cd, but it is pretty obscure). But what was particularly
weird was that, even though I did it all correctly, it didn't end up needing
the second CD. I did the "full developer's" install, which seems to be just
about everything. Makes you wonder...
Finally, during the install, I got the error message(s) shown below several
times. (The time shown is from libjpeg - but it occurred severalother times
as well) Again, very disconerting...
Setting up libjpegg6a (6a-12) ...
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtcpwrapGK.so.1 is not a symlink
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libomniORB2.so.6 is not a symlink
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libomniLC.so.2 is not a symlink
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libomnithread.so.2 is not a symlink
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Macon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 03 Sep 1999 20:41:45 PDT
In article <7qp61e$73i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Linus Torvalds) wrote:
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Birch <nospam> wrote:
>>
>>QNX does a number of things right that Linux does flat wrong (true
>>_uncrashable_ (almost) micro kernel, real time performance etc)
>
>Ehhh..
>
>Sure, teh QNX microkernel is pretty uncrashable. But have you ever asked
>yourself why? Maybe because it doesn't do all that much.
>
>Put it in a general-purpose system, do some real work with it, open it
>up to people who aren't polite, and see what happens. Not many people
>care that the microkernel hasn't crashed when everything else has.
>
>>I'm sure you're right, the problem for QNX is that few people know how
>>good it is because it is so expensive (aimed at a different market).
>
>It's good for that market. But think about that _really_ means for a
>moment. Don't make the mistake of extrapolating goodness in a very
>specialized market into goodness a more real-life and much less
>constrained market.
The strength of Linux is that it is Open Source and supported by
a large community. QNX is proprietary, expensive, and uncommon.
Linux has lot's of apps. QNX has almost none. Linux works with a
wide variety of hardware. With QNX you have to write your own
drivers for anything non-generic. Other than the very, *very*
specialized market of high reliability real-time, Linux is the
clear winner. That doesn't mean that. in theory, QNX couldn't
be everything Linux now is, but that's not the way it happened,
and that's not the market that the authors of QNX are after.
The strength of QNX is that the basic architecture is more reliable.
That's why QNX is the OS of choice wherever a situation exists where
a software failure kills someone. Not that Linux is unreliable - any
bugs in the Linux kernel get squashed *fast* - but with QNX I change my
hot-plug video hardware, watch the video driver crash, load the right
driver for the new video hardware and reboot the video subsystem, all
without a glitch in the application program that runs the heart-lung
machine. With QNX a driver change doesn't cause a fomerly harmless
bad pointer to suddenly crash the OS. Look at the architecture guide
on www.qnx.com and you will see why QNX is more reliable. Ask any
QNX programmer what the QNX equivelant of a kernel panic is - I sure
don't know, because I have never seen the QNX kernel crash.
Get Linux for your desktop and server. Get QNX for your airplane
fly-by-wire control software. Neither is much good in the other's
area of expertise. (ignoring the recent efforts towards a real-
time linux, of course - Linux is flexible enough where it might be
a real contender in the real-time market, but I think never in the
high reliability market.)
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