Linux-Misc Digest #676, Volume #21 Sun, 5 Sep 99 06:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape (Chris Sorenson)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Kelly Robinson")
Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat??? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Recover deleted files? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Igor Kovalenko)
Problem to compile KOffice (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Dupoux)
Re: Bash not running executables (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Bash not running executables ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Instant messaging inside a network ("Anand Bisen")
Re: Where to get different gnome applets? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects (Niels M�ller)
Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!! (Darren Winsper)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Armin Steinhoff)
Re: News reader and email app? (Tobias Anderberg)
Re: Recommend .html editor/publisher? (Tobias Anderberg)
Re: making linux go away ("FredMaxx")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 06:36:04 GMT
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:07:03 -0500, Paul E. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Kai Henningsen wrote:
>
>> > Also, Amigans are used to being able to dynamically load and unload
>> > libraries, devices, drivers, etc., can Linux do this as well, or do
>>
>> Of course.
>
>That's not what I've read here. I have read here that one has to
>compile a driver into the kernel, or have it merged into the kernel, in
>order for it to work, and to remove such a driver requires a recompile
>and/or reboot. Since I have not tried it yet, I don't know from
>experience, but if this is not the case, it would help make Linux more
>palatable.
Five years back, all drivers were compiled into the kernel. Module
support was first introduced about four years back, and has been
getting more capable and more robust with every release.
You still have the option of compiling drivers into the kernel, and
there are one or two oddball drivers that can only be linked that
way, but the great majority of drivers can be dynamically loaded.
--
FORTRAN, "the infantile disorder", by now nearly 20 years old, is hopelessly
inadequate for whatever computer application you have in mind today: it is
too clumsy, too risky, and too expensive to use.
-- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5
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From: Chris Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 01:45:54 -0500
Cooper wrote:
> Tell me, did any of you ever browse the internet with Netscape 1?
I remember downloading Mozilla 0.9 in October 1994, when Netscape was still
Mosaic Communications.... :)
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From: "Kelly Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:37:34 -0500
Two things:
1. Expect lots of personal attacks.
2. I have not used all the software you have, but SuSE Linux 6.1 (6.2 is
latest which I'd recommend to you) is a LOT more stable than anything that
Red Slip (oops, Hat) can produce.
Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> OK, finally managed to get Linux (Redhat 6.0) installed on my PC *and*
> seeing my SDSL line (the last was the tricksy bit). Ah, at last! I shall
be
> free of the eternally crashing Windows OS and the tyranny of Chairman
Bill!
> Liberty shall be mine!
>
> Er...maybe.
>
> First off, I must be some sort of God of System Failure, as 'crashproof'
> Linux bombed on me with Gatesian frequency. A few samples:
> a)When I installed my ethernet card (using linuxconf). It nicely
installed,
> and I could then 'ping' anywhere I wanted, proving I was on the net, DNS
> was working, etc. Tried to launch Netscape. Nothing happened. Tried some
> other apps. Nothing happened. Tried to logout (this is all under Gnome,
> BTW). Nothing happened. No windows could open, it seemed. Finally had to
do
> a power-down to get out of it.
>
> b)Installed 'metacard' (a hypercard clone) off the Redhat applications CD.
> Tried to run the demo. My screen went black and my mouse decided to move
to
> the lefthand side of the screen without my hand being on it. Charming.
> Again, power-down was the only solution. (I did get the application to
run,
> but I've been afraid to try the demo since then.)
>
> c)Not quite a crash, but several times, when I have tried to go to a page
> that 404s under netscape, netscape just closes down. Charming again. (Go
to
> the Linuxberg page, go to Gnome software, go to Newsreaders, click on the
> first one, it's the only 5-penguin product. Try to go to the home page.
> Kaboom!)
>
> d)A few other crashes, I forget the circumstances. Rather than the robust
> he-man operating system I was expecting, I find I am terrified to do
> anything, for fear of having to reboot yet again. (At least when Windows
> crashes, it displays a dialog box TELLING you it has crashed. Linux just
> sits there, taunting you.) (I know, I know, "I kept my Linux box running
> for 14 months and it only stopped because the local power plant exploded."
> But let me guess -- it was running as a server, happily chugging through a
> limited set of routines. It didn't actually have a real human being
> pounding on it, running dubious shareware, mucking with config files, etc,
> did it? Aha. Didn't think so.)
>
> Now, on to software. First off, has anyone thought of putting in the
> INSTALL text file words to the effect of "you better untar this from /,
> otherwise, you'll end up creating a zillion useless directories where you
> don't want them because there's no way to tell tar to go to the root to
> start?" Apparently not. Do not assume your users intuitively know where
> software is 'supposed' to go, especially if they've been trained on OSes
> that don't give a damn.
>
> First task, of course, is to find a decent newsreader. It appears there
> aren't any, at least if I want to use something a little more
> sophisiticated than trn, tin, slrn, or other 'cat walking on the keyboard'
> inspired names. Those were lovely in 1980. This is almost 2000. I couldn't
> find anything under X to compare with Newswatcher on the Mac or Free Agent
> under Windows. Ditto, nothing to match Eudora for mail.
>
> Of course, of the software I did find, I couldn't get any of it to run. I
> attempted to install Doom (shareware version) and Gnomehack (A gnome-
> enabled version of nethack).
>
> Doom:Untarred it into my home directory. Discovered that it really wanted
> to be untarred from the root directory. Tried to copy it there, found out
I
> had to BE root to copy it to \, su'ed to root, tried it again, untarred
it,
> tried to run it...got some random 'file not found' error.
>
> Gnomehack:More-or-less the same phenomenon. Addendum:The INSTALL file for
> nethack tells you that, when you're done, to just type 'nethack' and play!
> Unfortunately, it doesn't tell you the nethack executable is buried in the
> src directory. It also didn't work.
>
> Thus far, this has been inauspicious. I'm not giving up -- I know most of
> my problems are due more to newbie cluelessness than OS problems, and I
> intend to dive in to man pages, documentation, etc, in order to figure out
> what I'm doing wrong. But there's plenty of people who won't make the
> effort, and, if you REALLY want to unseat Chairman Bill, you've got to
> think about them.
>
> A few suggestions, mostly random:
> Why the SMEG does X write output to STDOUT when you can't SEE it until you
> leave X? At the very least, the user should have the option of all error
> messages being written to an X Terminal visible on their desktop. There's
> nothing like shutting down X and seeing a screenful of error messages
which
> would have been a lot more helpful to know about WHEN I GENERATED THEM!
>
> If you are going to have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen, make sure
> the applications know it is there. Maximizing Netscape hides the taskbar,
> for example. For that matter, clicking on the various task buttons (like,
> to bring up one of my terminals) just plays a pretty 'boing' sound. I have
> to manually minimize windows to find the one I want. So what's the point?
> (Maybe some error message was displayed...on the text screen I can't see
> 'cause I'm running X!)
>
> Is it just me, or is X rather, uhm, sluggish? I have a PII 400 and the
> whole GUI felt like it was running in molasses. Is there some 'trick' to
> speeding it up?
>
> 'Samegnome' is disturbingly addictive.
>
> Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
> 'FooBar1.01-45A-intel-linux-2.0' is a *stupid* name for a directory. (Or a
> file, for that matter). Since the Macintosh, which also permits very long
> file names, is NOT afflicted with this sort of nonsense, I don't see why
> Linux has to be.
>
> More rants as the situation warrents. BTW, how good is CodeWarrior as an
> IDE? I used it on the mac and loved it, and it's for sale cheap for Linux
> at my local CompUSA...recommendations/condemnations welcome.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 07:28:03 GMT
On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:57:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) wrote:
<<stuff deleted>>
>There are a lot of subtle differences in the idiomatic and clear usage of the
>languages. People who use C++ are unlikely to appreciate the scope of utility
>of function pointers in C, because they've got "better ways to do that", and
>won't have bothered to pick up such an obscure and useless feature.
One of those better ways is the use of method pointers. Unfortunately
these arent well understood by many C++ programmers either.
>-s
>--
>Copyright 1999, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon!
>Will work for interesting hardware. http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/
>Visit my new ISP <URL:http://www.plethora.net/> --- More Net, Less Spam!
-Steve
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat???
Date: 5 Sep 1999 07:50:44 GMT
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:47:00 -0700,
: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>But windows doesn't access ext2 partitions (right?)
: There is software that will access an ext2 partition from Windows, I
: believe. Also, while it is technically possible to make Windows access
: an ext2 partition, I don't think anyone has done this.
There is actually. Though I don't remember the name or url for it.
It allows you to mount your ext/2 in windows as read-only (you don't
want windows messing around with permission).
--
Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recover deleted files?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 07:54:53 GMT
A. N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have a prob!
: I've deleted a big zip file on my Linux System, but I need it, because it's
: all my Data in...
: Is there a chance to get the file back?
: Linux SuSe 6.0,
: FS: ext2,
Try the Ext2fs-Undeletion HOWTO (http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP)
Oh and I hope you haven't reboot or done anything else on your system.
--
Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld
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From: Igor Kovalenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:44:58 -0500
Guy Macon wrote:
>
> Ask any
> QNX programmer what the QNX equivelant of a kernel panic is - I sure
> don't know, because I have never seen the QNX kernel crash.
>
Regret to say that, but do not exaggregate. I've seen QNX kernel crash 2
or 3 times in last 8 years. And I've seen NTO kernel crash once. I've
also seen NTO kernel going into the state which is not crash, but
renders the whole system zombie. Well, let's give NTO an excuse, it is
an infant yet.
To be exact however, those were not really microkernel crashes. It is
indeed so small that there is simply no space for bugs. Those were
process manager crashes, but that essentially equivalent to "kernel
panic", since you can't really restart it.
- Igor
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Dupoux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem to compile KOffice
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:01:57 +0200
Hello,
I can't compile KOffice on my Mandrake 6.0. I have successfully compiled
and installed
Qt 2.0.1, Mico 2.2.7, and a recent version of Kdelibs. There is an error
when I run the
"make all" command. It prints:
main.o: In function 'main':
main.o(.text+0xa2): undefined reference to
'QStringData::deleteSelf(void)'
main.o(.text+0xb4): undefined reference to 'QStringData::ascii(void)
const'
...
I use the 19990728 version of KOffice. I try to use the last one
(19990902), but there is
the same type of errors.
On KOffice FAQ, they said that this problem appear when we compile all
these packages
with differents compilers: "Yo are mixing compilers! Yo have to compile
Qt, KDE, Python,
Mico, Corba and KOffice with ONE compilier (EITHER egcs1.0.x OR
gcc2.8.x) ".
But I didn't install or upgrade my compiler between compiling it. I have
not changed
my configuration. I use gcc which prints:
"Reading specs from
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/pgcc-2.91.66/specs
gcc version pgcc-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 release)"
I didn't compile Python, nor Corba, which were already installed., but
QString
is a Qt class.
Thank you for help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Bash not running executables
Date: 4 Sep 1999 11:33:18 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Prince wrote:
> the offending scripts are chmod 777
> the script is rwxrwxrwx
Why do you give everyone who can access the computer the ability to
(re)write these scripts?
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bash not running executables
Date: 4 Sep 1999 15:38:16 GMT
Scott Prince wrote:
>
> Adrian Hands wrote:
> > Scott Prince wrote:
> > > From the man pages... Bash looks for a command first, if not there it
> > > assumes that it's an executable and executes if the file has the
> > > permissions and exists in the path, and finally matches on the slashes
> > > and checks the file to see if it is executable.
> > >
> > > For some reason I can no longer cd to a directory and just type the
> > > filename and have it execute. I have to do something like...
> > >
> > > 'perl /dir/script.pl'
> >
> > Let me see if I understand:
> > What you WANT to type is:
> >
> > $ script.pl
> >
> > What you HAVE TO type is:
> >
> > $ perl /dir/script.pl
> >
> > If this is the case, what you need to do is check the FIRST line of you
> > your perl script.
> > It needs to be:
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> >
> > Of course, first check to make sure /usr/bin/perl exists. Maybe it's
> > /usr/local/bin/perl or /bin/perl on your system ?
> > It HAS TO be the first line of the script.
> >
> > Also, make sure you didn't forget to:
> >
> > $ chmod a+x script.pl
>
> Thanks for the response. As I sent this out I realized that I should
> have noted that yes, the offending scripts are chmod 777 and
> #!/usr/bin/perl is always the first line of my perl scripts. I write CGI
> scripts for a living so my test server even has symbolic links for perl
> in all the usual places, /usr/bin/perl, /usr/local/bin/perl, including
> links to emulate cgi wrappers with restricted accounts. This has always
> worked quite well. But my problem is that the shell is not acting the
> way it has in the past and I'm at a loss to explain why.
>
> This sometimes occurs when logged in as root, in the dir with the
> script, the script is rwxrwxrwx, *and I type:
>
> perl /the/full/path
>
> Mostly this is a problem when using a root window in x. Anything else I
> could check for?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
Have you checked your path? When you are running as root you
should not have a :. in your path. This reduces the risk of trojan
horses. If the current directory is not in your $PATH you will have
to execute the program in the current directory by typing:
$ ./script.pl
Where as a user you can have :. in your path and execute a program in
the current directory directly. If there is a trojan horse in the
current directory for something like 'ls' you only have yourself to
mess up.
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From: "Anand Bisen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Instant messaging inside a network
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:50:35 +0530
Hello
Is it possible to run ICQ or something of that sort inside a internal
network settuped on linux (to be more precise peer to peer on BNC coaxial
cable)
if yes then please advice
thanks
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where to get different gnome applets?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 08:42:17 GMT
Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Where are there places to download cool applets for
: the gnome panel? Thanks much,
Hmmmm. Let me think about that.
.....
....
...
..
.
http://www.gnome.org
Hmmm was that hard?
--
Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels M�ller)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: C vs C++ for Open Source projects
Date: 05 Sep 1999 10:57:16 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Cline) writes:
> What are the disadvantages of using C++, instead of C, for an Open
> Source project. The only two disadvantages that I can think of are:
Well, this is an obviously religious issue. I'm a member of the 'C++
is evil'-cult. But I'll try to give some practical advise, and omit
most of the "C++ sucks"-part.
I think the largest problem with using C++ is that it is not yet a
stable language. If you get your code to compile with your compiler
and libraries, it will most likely break with anybody elses, or even
with the next version of your compiler. Things may improve in the next
few years if compilers catch up to the C++ standard, but we haven't
seen that yet.
The next issue is the religious one. Most people agree that C is a
resonable language for writing typical unix applications. Well,
perhaps we don't _like_ C, but we use it and we have learnt to live
with it. On the other hand, there are many, otherwise quite
reasonable, people, who really dislike C++, and won't touch a C++
program except possibly if they get a large pile of money from it.
So you'll have fewer potential hackers if you go with C++, even
ignoring the possibility that there are fewer people who know C++ than
C (I don't know whether or not the difference is large or relevant).
The next issue is integration with other stuff. People like to embed
functionality into their favourite tools and "script languages" (perl,
python, guile, pike, etc). In general, I think C++ makes that sort of
integration a lot more complicated, for two reasons: (1) The
interpreter is usually written in C by people who know and like C, and
(2) it may be cumbersome to map the C++ OO-structure of your project
onto the OO-framework available within the script language, mainly
because C++ contains so much cruft that is mixed up with OO but not
needed in other OO languages.
I think this point is particularly important for libraries. If you are
considering writing a library or toolkit of any kind, and you like to
do it in C++, please reconsider. Please provide a decent C interface
to the toolkit, for use by people who want to use it from plain C, or
use it in their favourite script language. Once you have a decent C
interface, you can add C++ wrappers around it to make the C++ lovers
happy. In this way, you treat C++ as just another non-C language that
some people happen to like.
For applications where you really think that this sort of embedding
will never be useful, it doesn't matter. However, it may still apply
to some parts of your application, and in that case you can apply the
above advise to those parts.
And at last, if you decide to go for C++ anyway, it's not good enough
to say "I want to use C++". You should chose a subset of C++ that
suites your needs, and that you think is portable enough, write that
down explicitly, and stick with it. Otherwise, you have the risk that
everybody involved in the project uses _their_ favourite subset of
C++, and you end up with a project in which every single feature of
C++ is used somewhere. And you _really_ don't want to maintain or port
that.
I'd also like to say something about the alternatives to using C++, if
you feel that plain C is not good enough for your project. I know of
two widely used approaches.
1. Use object oriented C. It's possible to write OO-oriented programs
in C, even if it is a little cumbersome. The gtk toolkit is one
example, and I think some (or most?) of the Gnome applications
follow this model. For a somewhat more extreme example, have a look
at my lsh programs (http://www.lysator.liu.se/~nisse/lsh).
2. Write the "low-level" stuff in C, and the rest in a reasonable
high-level language. The canonical example of this approach is
GNU-emacs. Another is the Roxen Challenger webserver, which is
written in an object oriented C-like language called Pike.
Of course, some of the problems you get when using C++ occur also with
these approaches, but to a lesser degree than with C++. I think (2) is
in most cases not appropriate for toolkits and libraries, for the same
reasons that I don't recommend C++: It makes life harder for people
who don't have the same favourite language as you.
Regards,
/Niels
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!!
Date: 5 Sep 1999 09:18:20 GMT
On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:02:56 -0700, Chad Mulligan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MS Just release LPR for Win9x so use TCP/IP all around.
What? Really? Nice! Got any URLs, I could really use it?
--
Darren Winsper - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
"Oh my god, they slashdotted Segfault! You bastard!" - somebody in Slashdot
with regard to a Segfault South Park story.
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From: Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 5 Sep 1999 01:26:09 -0700
In article <37d1912a$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Todd says...
>
>Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de> wrote in message
>news:7qrukt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <7qrou1$a1m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> says...
>> >
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >Juergen Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>x-no-archive: yes
>> >>
>> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Torvalds) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Sure, teh QNX microkernel is pretty uncrashable. But have you ever
>asked
>> >>> yourself why? Maybe because it doesn't do all that much.
>> >>
>> >>hello Linus, how much of change would the kernel need to get it
>> >>sheduling a la QNX and Kickstart ?
>> >
>> >And we would like to have that exactly why?
>> >
>> >Somebody ported lmbench to QNX, and preliminary results show QNX having
>> >rather worse scheduling latencies etc than Linux. I don't think you
>> >realize how many people have NOT used QNX, and as such there's a lot of
>> >things that people just take for granted rather than actually have any
>> >proof for.
>>
>> Ditto ... where are the numbers :-) ?
>>
>> Armin
>>
>
>Arguing over nanoseconds of latency isn't the point.
Sorry ... IT IS THE POINT!
I'm very interested for that numbers because if the new LINUX kernel is a FULLY
PREEMPTIVE MULTI THREADED one ... it must be faster than the QNX4 kernel.
Has somebody these numbers ???
Armin Steinhoff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: News reader and email app?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:19:19 +0200
>Could anyone recommend some good News reader and email app for Linux?
I use Pine for email and slrn for news. I like slrn because
it's an console app and very fast, nice scoring and so on. It
also reminds me about the good ol' Fido days :-)
Though my advise would be that you go to fresmeat.net and
serch for news and mail, and try as many of them as you
can (want) and decide which to use based on your own
preference.
--
tobias
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Subject: Re: Recommend .html editor/publisher?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:23:53 +0200
>I want to make simple web pages, with text, insetted .gifs and .jpgs,
>and links and bookmarks.
[...]
>I need something that works, and with a non-programmer interface (GUI
>preferred). I want it to be like a word processor. Just type in text,
>set the font attribute, import a graphic, and poof, out comes the .html
Have you tried the one that comes with Netscape? I havn't
tried it myself so I really can't say much about it.
--
tobias
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From: "FredMaxx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:36:09 +0200
*heheh*
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<snip>
> >and, consequently, win98 would not install. hmm
>
> Is that a problem??? ;-)
>
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