Linux-Misc Digest #676, Volume #18 Mon, 18 Jan 99 09:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux on Mac... (Graeme Fowler)
Re: NT won't let me repartition HD (Tom Gerrard)
Re: Share netscape 4.5 files between linux and nt4 (Hans Wolters)
Re: SAP-GUI (hamid misnan)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(Rick Moen)
Re: Really weird samba problem (Anton Dischner)
Re: X server conection ? (Athan)
Re: lilo stalls at LI ! (carl)
gcc vs egcs (Micha)
Re: Samba -StarOffice (Charles Mulks)
No setup signature... ("Kay Liesenfeld")
Display problems in X-windows ("Steve Sanyal")
Re: X-terminal setup for remote clients on Linux? ("Steve Sanyal")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Chris Allen)
Re: Multi booting (Ulf Bohman)
kword v. Frame maker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Chris Allen)
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From: Graeme Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux on Mac...
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:54:59 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 1. Do I need to reinitialize my hard drive to install/run linux?
>
> 2. What is the best solution available for the Macintosh?
1. Yes, in a nutshell.
You have to reformat the drive to include at least two AUFS (Apple Unix)
partitions, one for / and one for swap. Note that the new versions of drive
setup shipping with G3s won't do it, you'll have to create the partitions and
format them with something else. Instructions at mklinux,apple.com are a good
help.
2. Two choices: LinuxPPC (http://www.linuxppc.org) and MKLinux
(http://www.mklinux.apple.com)
There are others, but these are the most common.
I've got MKLinux DR3 running on my Powerbook G3 series 233 quite happily.
Graeme
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From: Tom Gerrard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NT won't let me repartition HD
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:05:23 +0000
The easiest way to get rid of an NT partition is boot to a floppy, either
95/98 or
linux and run fdisk from there - that's what I always find anyway.
As for your bluescreen - what STOP codes are you getting?
Tom
���� wrote:
> I was about to install SuSe linux 5.3 when I encountered a problem in
> that Win NT will not allow me to repartion the HD.
>
> Background:
>
> Last week I installed a 2nd HD with the intention of a) relieving
> congestion on my C: drive and b) installing linux.
>
> Upon intial installation, I successfully partioned the second drive as
> follows:
>
> 4.3gig drive with one 2.14gig extended partion allocated to two logical
> drives. D: 2gig and X: 140Mb for NT pagefile.sys. Remainder left as Free
> Space for eventual linux install.
>
> After some re-thinking, I decided I wanted to redo the partitioning
> scheme.
>
> First oddity encountered: I discovered that there was no pagefile.sys on
> the X: drive.
>
> Second oddity, both locigal drives contained Recycle Bins which I could
> not delete. At one point, I performed a MOVE taking them over to the C:
> drive. They no longer appeared in the Window explorer screen. But as
> soon as I closed the screen and re-opened it, they were there again!
>
> As a result, I cannot repartion to the second drive.(or do ANYTHING -- I
> also tried reformatting them. No go!)
>
> Follow-up:
> I do not know if it is related, ut along with this problem, I now cannot
> read anything from my floppy drive A: either. When I insert a diskette,
> the system tells me that it is an unrecognizable media. Clicking on
> retry literally crashes the system (I mean DEAD...as in the screen goes
> blue and fills up with Intel postmortem dump!)
>
> Advice and assistance DESPERATELY needed and GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> "Mathematics is the foundation of all science and those who are
> profficent in it become the builders of society."
>
> The Honorable Ellijah Mohammed
>
> "A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems."
>
> Paul Erdos
> Mathematician
>
> "1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
> 2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through
> numbers.
> 3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge.
> 4) Therefore, there are pattterns everywhere in nature."
>
> The Assumptions
> from the movie "Pi"
>
> "We need to protect ourselves, not with laws but with mathematics."
>
> Bruce Schneier
> Author of "Applied
> Cryptography"
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From: Hans Wolters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: netscape.public.general
Subject: Re: Share netscape 4.5 files between linux and nt4
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:46:21 +0000
"Jesus M. Salvo Jr." wrote:
>
> I'll give soft links a try, when I can find the Communicator menu (it's
> missing!!!). See my other posts.
>
As I wrote before. My ISP expired all news items a few weeks ago and I
can't read the whole thread. I t might be happening again today.
Hava you tried copying the inbox folder (or some other one) to the Linux
version?
--
Java Search Engine Front End
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/
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From: hamid misnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SAP-GUI
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:20:58 +0800
Christopher Browne wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:20:12 +0100, Karl Esau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >the only thing that I still miss is a Linux SAP-GUI for SAP R/3.
> >SAP delivers X/GUIs for nearly every commercial Unix.
> >
> >Is there either a Linux SAP-GUI or is it possible to emulate X11
> >for AIX, HPUX or DIGITAL Unix binaries on Linux?
>
> I have run the Digital UNIX binaries on an OSF/1 box, and exported the
> display to a Linux box. That's not the answer you wanted; the straight
> answer is that *none* of the existing Motif-based binaries will run on
> Linux. The packaging tools that SAP AG uses don't run happily on Linux;
> that notably includes any attempt to run the Digital UNIX version on
> Linux/Alpha. (I haven't had opportunity to try Linux/SPARC :-).)
>
> There is rumor of someone getting a Windows version of SAPGUI running
> atop WINE; I haven't had success thus far.
There should be a Java version of SAP-GUI which should work across OSes.
But I have not seen any in production just yet and wondering where can I
download that version. In SAP homepage, they were saying that the Java
version need to be connected to a Unix server (HPUX/DigitalUx/Sun) but
will probably won't run on Linux.
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From: Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Date: 18 Jan 1999 08:21:20 GMT
[Followups set]
In comp.os.linux.setup MalkContent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: So Far, here, as with so many other posts on relative M$ Vs. Linux,
: I've seen all sorts of bitching, moaning, and crying
[huge amounts of drivel deleted]
Fuckhead.
Get this shit out of the technical newsgroups.
--
Cheers, The cynics among us might say: "We laugh,
Rick Moen monkeyboys -- Linux IS the mainstream UNIX now!
rick (at) linuxmafia.com MuaHaHaHa!" but that would be rude. -- Jim Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anton Dischner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Really weird samba problem
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:52:06 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a share mounted on another Linux machine which contains Tcl/Tk
> programs. We'll call my machine A and the mounted machine B. Often,
> when I make changes in tcl files on B, when I run them on A, I get
> errors about missing close brackets. But when I run the same program on
> A, it works fine. I'm not sure, but running ntpdate on A (syncing my
> clock with internet time) seems to help. Originally the two machines
> had been about 20 minutes off, but I still had the problem when they
> were only a few seconds off. Also, smbumounting and smbmounting again
> fixes it as well.
>
> This is really weird, and makes for an unstable environment. Anyone
> know what to do about it?
>
> Thanks,
> - Ben
>
> PS. I am running standard installs of RedHat 5.1 on both machines (samba
> version is samba-1.9.18p5-1).
> PPS. Please Cc: to email. thanks
Hi Ben,
maybe you want to upgrade to brandnew Samba 2.0. I doubt it fixes your
problem but it's worth upgrading anyway.
Kind regards,
Toni
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From: Athan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X server conection ?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:02:35 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Box 1 redhat Send X server
box 2 Solaris ?? Receive X server
Type in Solaris Xhost or xhost +XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX [ip of RedHat]
Telnet from Solaris to RH then type [In bash]
export DISPLAY=XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:0.0
^^^IP of Solaris
then xterm &
That is all
Athan
PS Hopping that you have started the Xwindows in the
solaris and solaris supports xhost
Daniel Wetzler wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> I try to establish an x server connection betweeen a Linux system and a
> solaris system but don`t know
> exactly how to export the display on Linux.
>
> export display <ip> didn`t work......
>
> Does someone know how I handle this ?
>
> Daniel
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From: carl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: lilo stalls at LI !
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 03:43:24 -0800
Peter F. Curran wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> hey y'all-
> >
> > so I am still having this problem. thank you for your suggestions.
> >too bad they didn't change any thing.
> > basically no matter what I do lilo stalls while trying to boot off of
> >the MBR at LI.
>
> Most of the time, problems like this are caused by trying to boot off
> a partition that ends beyond the 1024 cylinder mark on the HD. It may
> work for the first install, but as more of the disk fills up, new kernels can
> end up beyond the boundary. Enabling LBA makes it harder for this
> to happen, but it still can. If you have a dual boot system, and the MS
> partition is first, consider using loadlin instead of lilo.
>
> You should post a copy of your fdisk output.
>
> --
>
> Peter F Curran
> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>
> dough knot male: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Use address in Organization line, finger
> for PGP key. Antispaam test in progress.
type "fdisk /mbr" to delete the damaged LILO and then use upgrade to install
again.
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From: Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gcc vs egcs
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:43:14 +0100
Hi !
some days ago I bought SuSE linux 6.0.
...works fine so far except the delivered C compiler.
If I install the "old" gcc, some configure scripts
didn't work because of a c++ error ( on a SuSE 5.3
System all worked well ).
I think the problem isn't gcc - it's a problem of
the distrib :(
Is there any reason for using a "heavily under
construction compiler" (egcs) in conjunction with libc6,
or can I "downgrade" to an older ( but stable-r )
version without having problems ?
Thanx in advance,
Micha
============================================================
Michael Schulze
FH-Brandenburg
http://zeus.fh-brandenburg.de/~schulzmi
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
============================================================
"...when your girlfriend's got a penis something's wrong..."
K's Choice
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks)
Subject: Re: Samba -StarOffice
Date: 18 Jan 1999 13:22:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>Hi!
>I've just finished my first installation of Linux (Redhat 5.1), and I
>like it, although i feel like a baby penguin taking it's first
>insecure steps on drifting ice-flakes.
>
>I have two questions (! - not more than 2 ? *Shure but they'll come
>later*)
>
>1. Where can i find info on how to implement Samba? (This is very
>important to me, cause i work in a very MS-Infested place)
>
http://samba.anu.edu.au/samba/
>2. Anybody knows how to obtain the free StarOffice package?
>
http://www.stardivision.com
>Thnx in advance
>
>AceBone
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From: "Kay Liesenfeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: No setup signature...
Date: 18 Jan 1999 13:42:36 GMT
After recompiling the kernel (SuSE Linux 5.3, I've tried to install Oracle),
Linux aborts booting with the message "no setup signature found...".
After booting from CD YaST is able to boot the installed system and it works
fine. Only booting directly from harddisk is impossible.
Any hints?
Please email directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks!
Kay.
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From: "Steve Sanyal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Display problems in X-windows
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:55:30 GMT
I have an Acerview 76e monitor, and a ATI 3D expression Rage II PC2TV card
with 4 MB RAM. I'm running Linux Redhat 5.2, and booting X-windows
(Xfree86) as my login shell.
I set the horizontal and vertical sync rates manually in XF86Config, based
on the specs for my monitor. I am getting 1024x768 resolution, but I am
only getting 8 bit colour.
The various window managers I've tried are also producing some weird
effects:
- There is no desktop settings option on any window manager, to modify the
font colour, background and text colour, etc.
AfterStep
- The nxterm and xterm windows I open often tend to be black text on a black
background.
- No matter what "look" option I choose in "Decorations", it almost always
ends up being black text on a black background.
- When I run a program like X-boing, I notice a weird effect - if my mouse
is on top of the game window, then the rest of the screen changes to 16
colours only (everything on the screen, all icons, the background image,
etc.) Similarly, when I take my mouse off the program, the contents of the
desktop, other programs, etc., go back to their normal colours, and the
x-boing program changes to 16 colours.
- in AfterStep, I cannot get rid of the console log window - there are no
buttons to control it, but on other window managers there are. (whereas on
my friend's computer, he can get rid of the console log window) - on mine,
it starts up as an icon, but if I open it, then it becomes a borderless
window with no controls.
AfterStep thus seems to be causing a lot of weird effects, likely to my lack
of many colours? I use 24 or 32 bit colour with Windows NT - how can I get
the same settings in Linux?
Regards
Steve
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From: "Steve Sanyal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: X-terminal setup for remote clients on Linux?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:55:30 GMT
William Burrow wrote in message ...
>On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:54:34 GMT,
>Steve Emms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>xhost +
>>
>>as a starting point...
>
>NO!! Use ``man Xsecurity'' as a starting point. Choose xhost if necessary
>but xhost + is the silliest thing you can do. Anyone on the network (which
>in this case is the Internet) can place a window in your X desktop and
>capture keystrokes (eg passwords, etc) and more.
Thanks for that note. I didn't realize that.
When I checked out xhost, it said that I can specify ip addresses to accept.
So I did the following:
xhost + [address of remote computer]
The concern I have about this, however, is that the address was just that of
my school's network. I could also localize it to a machine at that network,
but I couldn't specify it as a user name.
I'd ideally like to do the following:
xhost + myuser name + address of remote network
Is this possible?
Steve
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From: Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:58:11 -0500
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:52:12 -0500,
> Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (please trim quoted material.)
> >
> > You're right, my experiences do not invalidate yours. But, my
> > experiences with NT are not unique at all. If they were, then we
> > would've counseled our client on the alternatives (they use large HP-UX
> > servers for the main system and NT servers and workstations for
> > backoffice/frontdesk systems-I've been onsite in several states and have
> > yet to see a single NT problem).
>
> I thought they were doing development? Hard to do Windows development
> on Unix.
>
It's an Oracle database backed system. We use Oracle Designer 2000 on
the NT boxes and Developer 2000 on the unix side. We also have
developed a web based java front end to the same system. Future
releases will have a windows gui frontend.
(snip)
> Why do you say I'm lucky? The Windows machines Ain't My Problem. Oh, I
> guess that's why.
Ok, then I'll just come out and say it (was being polite before). You
need a new NT admin. You're doesn't know what he's doing if he's having
as many problems as you state.
>
(snip) Would be better, but we had a 6 hour power outage that outlasted
> the UPS by about 5 minutes. Poop.)
>
That's the situation with my servers. The ones that have about 6 months
of uptime have never been rebooted due to their own faults. We had a
power outage that we knew was going to outlast the UPS, so we shut 'em
down (along with the unix systems also). I'd be pushing 1 year for 4 of
them. Another would be at 8 months (never rebooted since it was brought
online except for the power outage).
> (Ah, the joy of having 'Unix' in your job title. :))
No, the joy of knowing what you're doing. Replace your NT "admin" with
someone who knows what they're doing.
Chris
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From: Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Multi booting
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:26:16 +0100
Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> I'm working on installing Windows98, Windows NT, and Linux on the same
> hard drive. I would also like to use the boot manager that I have,
> which requires a partition. Is there a way to do this? My windows 98
> drive is Fat32, and NT is running on NTFS, and Linux will be running
> ext2. Is there some way to do this, or do I need to get another hard
> drive? Thanks,
> Greg.
> Greg Leblanc
> Network Admin
> Concordia University Portland
> gleblanc at cu-portland.edu
I've got two Win95 installations on two different primary partitions, NT
on an logical drive in the extended block, Linux / as a primary and Linux
Swap in the extended block. It works just fine. Though I recommend
installing LILO on the root partition,
not in the MBR. That way my boot manager gets to do it's stuff before any
OS and you can choose OS from there - not via LILO-Boot Manager-NT
Loader-Win or whatever ticky way you might have to go otherwise. I assume
you already have Win98 and NT installed, so if you leave the MBR alone you
should be able to boot all OSes from your Boot Manager after installing
LILO to the Linux root partition.
If your Boot Manager takes up one entry for the primary partitions and you
have an extended partition you won't be able to install Linux as a primary
(only four entries allowed). To save primary partitions you can install
Linux in the extended block. NT also works well there as long as it starts
from a primary FAT (not FAT32!) partition with the NT Loader.
Go at it!
/Ulf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: kword v. Frame maker
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:53:12 GMT
Hi all,
I am about to get a home computer and will install linux on it.
I am looking around in the newsgroups and on the net for pro. grade
word processors etc and finds a couple of promising ones.
Since I use Frame Maker on unix in my profession ( I write a lot of
technical reports/papers) I read that KWord is somehow framemaker
like.
The page I looked at said it was not "out" yet but It hopefully will
be soon.
Some questions to people that know more about this than I do:
Anyone tried it ?
I have questions about functionality and wonder if someone knows
anything about stuff like that. If not maybe a mail to koffice is
more appropriate.
I wonder about things like (from a Frame Maker point of View):
Does it support books
Automatic Table of Content
Body/master/ref pages
Variables/references etc
Fully featured side numbering, (digits/roman capitals/alphabetic) customized
in a book to take into acount all the book (if books are used) documents.
Graph support (can it read xmgr format, mif, etc)
Picture support (jpg/tiff/gif/rgb whatever), imported/as link?
Math functions (hopefully nicer interface than framemaker)
Reading other formats (mainly word/framemaker)
Writing to other formats
Speed ? Frame maker solves working with 200Mb documents by using books
Could this be possible ? If most of these points are solved in kword
I say something wonderful is about to happen *smile*
Best Regards
JS
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From: Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:02:15 -0500
Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:58:12 GMT, Bitbucket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> >On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:14:26 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
> >Warkus) wrote:
> >
> >>It was the Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:25:40 GMT...
> >>..and Bitbucket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Companies need standardization and support contracts. Even if it is
> >>> somewhat of a ripoff. Linux right now has neither, and as long as the
> >>> desktops, community colleges and training centers educate on MS
> >>> offerings this is not going to change real soon.
> >>
I just wanted to comment on this. Only upper management in corporations
wants standardization and support contracts. Those of us who do the
work found out long ago that those things are a waste. I've gone to
Usenet for info on my problems as much as I've gone to the vendor. The
vendor(s) have always been a hassle.
If Standardization and support contracts were that important, I wouldn't
have gotten the "thumbs up" to install a Linux server at one of our
remote sites (will be doing dns, dhcp, print, filesharing for about 80
users).
Chris
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