Linux-Misc Digest #676, Volume #24 Thu, 1 Jun 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: environment for "at" and "cron" (larry)
Re: environment for "at" and "cron" (Andreas Kahari)
MP3 Player 4 MP3 CD's? (Juergen Flosbach)
Re: Wrong parttition size (Leonard Evens)
Re: Configuratio for kernel (Juergen Flosbach)
Re: Kernel configuration (Dances With Crows)
Grahics Software for Linux ("Jake")
Re: Linux setup for @home cable modem
Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux) (Jan Knutar)
Re: Help!!!..MAKING A NEWSGROUP LIST...!!!! ("Thomas K. Gamble")
Re: MP3 Player 4 MP3 CD's?
Re: Grahics Software for Linux (Andreas Kahari)
Re: libraries philosophy under linux (Dances With Crows)
Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux) (hac)
Is there an info2man translator (Otto Wyss)
Re: MP3 Player 4 MP3 CD's? (Henrik Becker)
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From: larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: environment for "at" and "cron"
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:58:26 GMT
Is there any way to set the environment for all users and cron? Where is
the default environment for cron set? Does it use the default root
environment? It doesn't appear to.
We run programs from cron, not scripts. It would be nice to not have to
write wrapper scripts all the time...
Larry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Thompson wrote:
> >... Is there an easy way to dump my entire shell environment
> >into my cron job so it can run the script instead of having to
> >rely on "at" to do the job?
>
> The "at" command copies a portion of the environment from which it
> was initiated (eg., current directory, PATH, etc.). cron normally
> does not. Hence, in a crontab you have to put full-path names to
> your executables. It's assumed that a script called from cron will
> create its own environment.
>
> There are a couple of cron daemons running around. RedHat uses
> Vixie cron, which also checks /etc/crontab. That file has an
> extra field indicating owner (whatever that does), and the man
> page says that 'environmental variables can be set in the crontab',
> whatever that means.
>
> --
> Dave Brown Austin, TX
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: environment for "at" and "cron"
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Kahari)
Date: 1 Jun 2000 20:12:50 +0100
In article <8h687r$89u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there any way to set the environment for all users and cron? Where is
>the default environment for cron set? Does it use the default root
>environment? It doesn't appear to.
>
>We run programs from cron, not scripts. It would be nice to not have to
>write wrapper scripts all the time...
>
>
>Larry
>
Ok, I'm going a little bit off topic here since I only have a Solaris
box in front of me at the moment...
Citing the cron(1M) man page on this Solaris box, anyway:
The PATH for user cron jobs can be set using PATH= in
/etc/default/cron. The PATH for root cron jobs can be set
using SUPATH= in /etc/default/cron. The security implica-
tions of setting PATH and SUPATH should be carefully con-
/A
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From: Juergen Flosbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MP3 Player 4 MP3 CD's?
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:47:49 +0200
Hallo,
I'm pretty happy with my Linux but one thing is there that I miss very
much.
I miss a player which can play my MP3's I have on CD. All the player I
found so fare play either one audio CD's or mp3 FILES.
To me, it doesn't make sense right now to burn mp3's on CD when I can
not play them from there.
If anybody nows about such a player please let me know.
Thanks !!!
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Juergen Flosbach
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Wrong parttition size
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:30:24 -0500
Shahriar Mokhtari-Sharghi wrote:
>
> I have installed linux on my laptop (contains 12 Gig HD). I managed to have
> it dual-boot (windows+linux) using lilo. I however encountered a problem
> when
> I installed LILO(I guess because system froze in the middle of
> installation process), I put the default OS to be windows and whenever
> lilo wanted to boot windows it gave me back the lilo's prompt again. The
> only way I could get out of the loop was to load linux.
>
> I could get back lilo working however by running ndd and repairing MBR
> and installing it on /boot partition. The
> only problem now I have is that windows does not show the correct
> partition size of drive C. It is 3Gig and windows reports it is 6Gig.
> However windows and linux fdisk report correct values? Is it a
> serious bug? What can I do to make it allright?
>
> Shahriar
I don't know if this will help, but I think in some cases Windows
may look at the first sector of the Windows partition and use the
information it finds there in preference to what is in the
master boot record's partition table. This question has come
up before, and there is a fix for it. Try searching with
deja.com.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Juergen Flosbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Configuratio for kernel
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:04:51 +0200
Markus Kossmann wrote:
>
> Juergen Flosbach wrote:
<snip>
:
> > How can I figure out how my current kernel got compiled ?
:
<snip>
> >
> SuSE ships with the cloneconfig patch. So you will find a file
> /proc/config.gz , which contains a current kernel configuration .
Great.
I found this file. But now, I wanted to know if this kernel supports
"MPPP" Multiple point-2-point connections for ISDN. At least in the help
files for KISDN it was called MPPP but in this config.gz file I found
"CONFIG_ISDN_MPP=y".
Is MPP the same ( just shorter ?-).
--
Regards
Juergen Flosbach
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Kernel configuration
Date: 01 Jun 2000 15:23:26 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:49:44 -0400, Rafael
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I would like to add pcmcia support to the kernel and instead loading
>module for net card I would like to compile it to the kernel.
>I can't change this running "make config" or "make xconfig", there is
>not such option.
>I need have such kernel to be able to boot from floppy od diskless
>workstation.
>I read howtos about net, diskless worstation and thinclients but I cound
>not find information how to compile this modules to the kernel.
The PCMCIA stuff should be compiled as modules, because PCMCIA cards by
their very nature are designed to be hot-swappable. If you have drivers
for every conceivable PCMCIA device compiled into that kernel, it probably
won't fit on a floppy disk and it'll waste memory and slow things down.
The standard way of doing things is to make the PCMCIA modules separately,
then put them in the initial RAMdisk on the boot floppy. Read the
Bootdisk-HOWTO for the scoop on that.
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO.html
The 2.3.xx development kernel series has the PCMCIA stuff integrated into
the main kernel tree, and there it is possible to put PCMCIA stuff
directly into the kernel. Not sure if that's a good idea, as you're
running a dev kernel, but 2.3.99-pre3 was pretty stable for me and it
didn't have the horrible VM performance of 2.3.99-pre8. YMMV.
How can a diskless workstation boot from a floppy, anyway? (A floppy
drive *is* a disk drive, therefore the workstation's not diskless!)
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: "Jake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Grahics Software for Linux
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:30:08 GMT
I am looking for something similar to Xara3D, but a linux version also any
button making apps. Anyone know of anything...
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux setup for @home cable modem
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:30:03 GMT
I have cable modem @home also, but mine is through Comcast. I set up
everything to be on a dhcp, because that is how they set me up. Then I
realized that my @home required me to have a computer name, a MS computer
name and I couldn't connect because of it. I called the customer service
and told them to give me a static IP and that fixed everything right up.
Stick with the static, it is much nicer than DHCP. Don't have to worry
about losing your IP address...thus, you can login from work or where ever
you are.
Good Luck...
Larburlingame wrote:
>
> I have AT&T @home cable modem. I am not sure how to set up Linux to use
> the cable modem. I have read a couple of articles and tried what they
said
> but to no avail.
>
> I would like to hear from someone who has @home running on their Linux
> system.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Knutar)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:22:51 GMT
On Sun, 28 May 2000 08:44:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner) writes:
>
>Problem is, brilliant PnP devices will try to assign themselves
>unusual IRQs. (Which would be a good idea if not for the fact that
>serial ports didn't work that way 'til PnP.) And Amazing Windows
>will change *every single IRQ in your system* (sometimes) to
>accomodate a new device.
Or in my case where I've jumpered the modem to IRQ2/9, Windows just refuses
to use the modem. I try to edit the resource settings manually, but Windoze
just says "You can't change this resource setting" or something similar.
With Linux it was just setterm /dev/modem IRQ 9..
>Yep. And PCI modems are stupid. (Remind me why we need all that
>bus bandwidth for something that will never pass 56Kb/s?)
My 33.6 modem often passes 128Kb/s when sucking usenet posts. Still, that's
far from the ISA treanfer rate.
--
JK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Any attempt to stretch fuel is guaranteed to increase headwind.
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From: "Thomas K. Gamble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Help!!!..MAKING A NEWSGROUP LIST...!!!!
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:32:54 -0600
Tux wrote:
>
> "Jay E. Morris" wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:46:30 -0700, softrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Steve wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 15 May 2000 06:06:02 -0230, Tux wrote:
> > >> >Hey guys/gals,
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm using netscape communicator for an email/newsgroup browser and I was
> > >> >wondering if there is some way that I can make a newsgroup list, much
> > >> >like an email list, whereby I can type in the name of the list and the
> > >> >message that I was composing wouldbe sent to multiple newsgroups (all
> > >> >the newsgroups in my list)....!!!!! Does anyone know how to do
> > >> >this...??? Thanks...
> > >>
> > >> Before you go doing stuff like that read some of the FAQs on how to use
> > >> newsgroups and the netequette used in such forums.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>
> > >Gosh, Tux, wasn't Steve *really* helpful? Doncha just *love* people like
> > >him?
> > 1. Steve's answer was exactly right.
> > 2. He was much, much nicer than I would have been concerning
> > cross-posting..
> >
> > >--
> > >the softrat
> > >mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >---
> > >Go ahead, Linux freaks, abuse me. I LOVE it!
> > You're running Windows. I'd wouldn't feel right adding any abuse on
> > top of that.
> > --
> > Jay E. Morris' Epsilon 3 Productions, www.epsilon3.com
> > By 2000 we were supposed to have computers bright enough to argue
> > with us, but that doesn't mean the way Word does it.
> > -Jo Walton-
>
> So what you are saying is that you guys have a problem with not being "NICE",
> when somebody
> asks a simple question of this nature... You do know that you cross-posted
> when you replied to that message don't you...???
>
> God, I don't know what the frigging problem is... I asked how posting to
> multiple newsgroups would be done... I wasn't gonna SPAM, I just wanted to
> post to my "LOCAL" provincial newsgroup as well as to alt.os.linux (or some
> other NG).... And then you go talking about how Steve was much nicer then you
> would've been... Well gosh darnit mamma, you must have extreme issues if this
> topic would cause you stress.... In anycase, I'll write my own friggin'
> program to post to the two NG's...
As the oldtimers in this NG wil recall, SPAM used to be spelled SPAMN
for
Simultaneous Posting Across Multiple Newsgroups. So technically, any
form
of cross-posting is SPAMN.
>
> And BTW, if cross-posting is such a thorne in your side, why the heck did you
> reply to this message....
As for netequette, most people ignore it if it's only two or three NGs.
>
> Trevor...
--
Thomas K. Gamble
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MP3 Player 4 MP3 CD's?
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:27:24 -0400
Question : What is an "MP3 CD" ?
x11Amp will play mp3 files on any file system that the OS can mount and
read.
If you have your cdrom with mp3's mounted , you can click on the eject
button in x11Amp and use the selection dialog to browse over to the cdrom.
Then you can select the file to play.
Alternatively, you can tell it to play an entire directory.
The windows equivalent of this program is "winamp".
I got it on the Red Hat 6.0 CD .
Juergen Flosbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hallo,
>
> I'm pretty happy with my Linux but one thing is there that I miss very
> much.
>
> I miss a player which can play my MP3's I have on CD. All the player I
> found so fare play either one audio CD's or mp3 FILES.
>
> To me, it doesn't make sense right now to burn mp3's on CD when I can
> not play them from there.
>
> If anybody nows about such a player please let me know.
>
> Thanks !!!
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Juergen Flosbach
> ---
> e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tel. : +049-7164-130777 ( Private )
> Tel. : +049-7335-127518 ( Work )
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Subject: Re: Grahics Software for Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Kahari)
Date: 1 Jun 2000 21:35:41 +0100
In article <4RyZ4.5140$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am looking for something similar to Xara3D, but a linux version also any
>button making apps. Anyone know of anything...
>
>
I don't know what that Xara3D thing is (could you provide an URL?),
but The Gimp can be used for making buttons...
The Gimp may be found at <URL:http://www.gimp.org/> and quite probably
also on a CD-ROM near you.
/A
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: libraries philosophy under linux
Date: 01 Jun 2000 15:39:35 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[duplicate post snipped]
On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:00:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8h5tqp$17o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Hi,
> I use RedHat 6.2 (but in this subject others are the same) and I
>am obliged to use programs born specifically for this ditribution.
Huh? No distro should tie you down like that, not even Redhat. rpm
--force --nodeps can be your friend. Compile from source if at all
possible; this can improve performance and pinpoint missing libraries
better than rpm can.
>Sometime ago I started creating a "library" of softwares I like and I
>put everything in a cdrom.
>Now, with my new distro, I cannot use anything of that wares!
>Some cannot be installed (because of libraries incompatibility or for
>too much a need of a large number of OLD libraries), some can be
>installed but they core-dump and don't run.
Don't keep Unix binaries around; they'll suffer software rot just like you
describe. Source tarballs, however, have a much longer shelf life.
>In my new RH ditribution I am OBLIGED to install big packages such as
>python, gawk, or similar because they are used FOR SYSTEM MAINTENANCE!!
>It's absurd that such big packages are the only way to administrate a
>system, and I refuse to believe that no smaller utilities exist.
>It's not a problem about small Hard Disk (in fact my HD is about 3 Gb),
>is't about a problem of principle.
Slackware can be pared down to a very minimal configuration, taking up
only 80-100M for a fully functional (if sparse) system. I think you can
even fit X in there.
>I don't like windows because c:\windows\system is always about 100-200
>Mb and the windows folder itself is seldom under about 250 Mb.
>This way, linux (especially perhaps RH) will be more and more like
>windows, and I don't like this.
"Feature creep" affects everything. 128K used to be an enormous amount of
memory and now it's zilch. Not much can be done, short of scavenging a
286 from the dumpster and running Minix or DOS 3.x on it.
>o How can I use (old) programs with a new distribution without
>installing tons of unuseful libraries and without getting the last
>version of the program itself ?
Keep source around, recompile.
>o I want to reduce the HD space used by my ditribution.Is this
>possible?Which is the best strategy?
Use strip(1) on every binary you can, gzip all the man pages, think about
strip(1)ing libraries, or bite the bullet and buy a larger hard disk since
they're going for about $10/gigabyte or less these days.
>o It is useful to create cdroms full of your favourite programs or it's
>a waste of bytes because of aging?
It may be useful to create CD-ROMs full of source tarballs. CD-ROMs full
of binary executables have time-limited value unless said executables are
statically linked, which is bad.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: hac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:08:57 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Problem is, brilliant PnP devices will try to assign themselves
> unusual IRQs. (Which would be a good idea if not for the fact that
> serial ports didn't work that way 'til PnP.) And Amazing Windows
> will change *every single IRQ in your system* (sometimes) to
> accomodate a new device.
>
Windows will change IRQ's only if you permit it. Go into your BIOS
setup, and turn off support for PnP O/S. That's the option that lets
Windows change the assignments. If your BIOS is worth anything (it
may not be), the BIOS should be able to assign the IRQ's correctly,
and Windows (and every other O/S) will use those assignments.
It may be hard to believe, but even as screwed up as Windows does PnP,
there are BIOS's that do an even worse job. That's the only situation
where you should enable "PnP O/S" support. Some BIOS's may have
confusing choices - does enabling "Disable PnP O/S" mean O/S level PnP
is disabled, or did they screw up the label, and 'disable' means
'disable'.
PCI was designed with PnP, and it works, when correctly implemented.
ISA was not designed for PnP, and ISA PnP should be avoided. That's
good enough reason for me to get rid of ISA modems. Yeah, ISA modems
work with Linux, but ISA is a hack job, and its passing should be
celebrated.
--
Howard Christeller Irvine, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otto Wyss)
Subject: Is there an info2man translator
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:09:14 +0200
Does anybody know a translator program which translates info files in
man pages?
O. Wyss
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MP3 Player 4 MP3 CD's?
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:15:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Juergen Flosbach wrote:
>
> I miss a player which can play my MP3's I have on CD. All the player I
> found so fare play either one audio CD's or mp3 FILES.
>
If you burn them on CD, that CD should be a Data-CD. Mount it and play the
mp3 with any given mp3-Player. (xmms, kmp3)
--
Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.HenrikBecker.de
Palm Pilot unter Linux: http://www.henrikbecker.de/jpilot
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