Linux-Misc Digest #753, Volume #21 Fri, 10 Sep 99 16:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: FREE EAST TIMOR!!! STOP THE KILLING!!! (Vlar Schreidlocke)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Marco Costa)
How to find SCSI ID's ??? (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Stupid FTP Question (Orpheus)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Philip Brown)
Re: Need some basic networking advise (Wayne Power)
Re: I broke my system! (again) (Dominic Hargreaves)
Re: screen capture (Edwin Johnson)
Re: Apache ~ user directories? (Edwin Johnson)
Re: How do you pronounce Linux? (Edward Westin)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (K. Bjarnason)
Re: W98 removed lilo (Bill Unruh)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Conway Yee)
Re: Why dows Netscape say "no DNS for mail/news" ? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Re: Cannot find libstc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE kppp (Bob Hauck)
netscape 4.51 hangs (rob)
Re: Ret Hat 6.0 ---- Help Help Help .... (Leonard Evens)
Re: REAL PLAYER Install Problems. (A Guy Called Tyketto)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("Joseph T. Adams")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vlar Schreidlocke)
Subject: Re: FREE EAST TIMOR!!! STOP THE KILLING!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:35 GMT
I think I have a script I wrote around here to "save the world".
Perhaps I can recode it so it will act specifically on "East Timor".
I don't suppose you care to offer any specific solutions. You have
posted this on a newsgroup that is specific to a computer operating
system. People here typically concern themselves with very specific
information. Information specific to the linux operating system.
Perhaps you would have better luck running into CompUSA or perhaps a
shoe store and yelling "FREE EAST TIMOR NOW! STOP THE KILLING KNOW!
You never know, if you could get just one person to help stop the
killing, then it would all be worth it. If that one person could stop
the killing, I wonder exactly how they would have done it. Wow, then
we could solve all the rest of the world's problems this way.
Wow, you are so smart!
Sorry to post off topic, but has anyone seen my other red sock? With
all the problems going on in the world I don't know how we can justify
having this newsgroup, specific to the linux operating system, jeez!
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:19:51 +0100, "Pedro RA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sorry to post off topic but this is EXTREMELY important!
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>FREE EAST TIMOR NOW!
>STOP THE KILLING KNOW!
>
>Please take a look at the nearest
>internacional news broadcast.
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>Remember KOSOVO, RUANDA,
>BOSNIA, CAMBODJA, KURDISTAN,
>or the HOLOCAUST. Or remember all
>of them. You may as well add
>EAST TIMOR to this list.
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>DO SOMETHING!
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>Do what ever you can.
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>Better even:
>STOP SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED!
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> FREE EAST TIMOR
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From: Marco Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:03:05 +0100
>> A computer is a tool to most people, not a hobby. Most people do *not*
>> want to fart around learning 803 different command-line switches and
>> trying to remember which apps they're used with. Most folks want a
>> nice, simple, point-and-click interface complete with standardized menu
>> locations, commands and so forth for common tasks. They want this
>> because they want to be able to install, run, and if necessary uninstall
>> their tools - word processors, spreadsheets, whatver - without *having*
>> to know how the system works.
>> The problem with your view of things isn't that command lines are
>> inherently bad, it's that you don't seem to comprehend that *not* every
>> user is also a developer. Many users want to *use* the machine, not
>> have to understand it - that's *our* job, as developers. We're supposed
>> to make the machine as nearly invisible to the user as we possibly can.
>>
You're doing a great job, but the audience doesn't get it.
They drive cars and know nothing about mechanics or engines.
They use a mobile phone and is just like a phone without the cord !
They have a VCR - but how many of them know how to use the timer to
record that 4am Monday show ? There you have it !
To be honest: I like Linux and I like Windows NT.
To be honest: I hate Linux and I hate Windows NT.
There is certainly a future for servers.
But is there a future for desktop computers ?
Oh and btw, before the flame war:
I once was a programmer. I once was a sys admin. I once was a security admin.
I am now a network manager. I am still searching for a job where everything
(something ?)
seems well designed and well thought, without crashes, patches, upgrades. Oh
lucky users !!
>> Is Windows perfect in this regard? Not hardly. It's simply about 8
>> million times better than command-line based approaches. Apparently
>> some of the *nix folks are getting that message, too, since GUI design
>> seems to be a big push, and non-GUI but still menu/and/mouse driven
>> apps, installers, etc, are becoming more prevalent.
As always, GUI is better for some things, cmdline for others.
GUI is good for user taks and interfacing, cmdline for admin tasks - batches,
scripts
that run at 3am, and the like.
And this is from your firts post I believe, in reply to Steve Gage:
Steve wrote:
> You're blaming Linux for buggy software.
You wrote:
>> Oddly enough, the Linux crowd often whines that buggy Windows apps can bring
>> down even NT (a situation I've only ever seen once, BTW). It's okay for
>> Linux folks to whine about Windows having this problem, but it's not okay to
>> point out that Linux has the same failing? The mind boggles.
I believe you got it wrong here. What Steve meant was that the user thought
Linux had crashed
when in fact the app (or even X) had crashed, and he could have solved it
without turning the power off.
Open another console, Log in as root, run ps ax | grep netscape, .... oops here
we go again :-)))
PS: keep the good posts coming !
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to find SCSI ID's ???
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:29:39 GMT
Back when I ran kernel 2.0.27 I would get these reports at boot
time:
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
Notice that they report the SCSI IDs of the units installed in
my system.
I don't know if this is kernel related (what else could it be?)
but, now I'm on kernel 2.0.34 and there aren't any messages that
tell me what SCSI IDs are used in my system.
So, how can I tell what IDs are used in my system, short of
opening up the box and looking for jumpers?
Thanks....
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Change the AT and DOT in my reply-to address to send e-mail.
Unless otherwise noted, the statements herein reflect my personal
opinions and not those of any organization with which I may be affiliated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Orpheus)
Subject: Stupid FTP Question
Date: 10 Sep 1999 04:56:31 PDT
I went to the Redhat support site with the Netscape browser, and when
I found the file I wanted to download, netscape simply read it as a
text file rather than implement FTP download.
I figured I might download via Netscape in windoze and simply move the
file over to my linux box, but wouldn't you know it, windoze Netscape
thinks a *.rpm file is a real-media plug in or something, and tries to
"play" it.
good grief.
so I figure I'll just ftp the file the old fashioned way, but I can't
make a connection to ftp redhat either via ftp in linux (wu-ftp) or
ftp in windoze (ws-ftp, an otherwise excellent program).
My guess is that this has more to do with redhat than anything else,
becaues ftp works fine otherwise. is there some secret to logging on
to redhat ftp that I don't know about?
Thanks for your help
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:12:37 GMT
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:17:10 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
>Absolutely. John Q. Public user doesn't generally install his new
>motherboard; he takes the machine in to have it done.
really? I thought those people usually just bought a new computer.
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From: Wayne Power <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need some basic networking advise
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:25:31 -0400
Warren Bell wrote:
> I want to connect two linux boxes, network them together. What I want
> to do is have machine1 connected to the net 24/7 with a modem. Then
> machine2, with no modem, connected through machine1 to access the net.
> Machine1 will be running a web server also.
>
> I asked part of this question before and someone suggested IP
> masquerading. Are there any step-by-step instructions on how to set
> this up?
I recommend reading some HOWTOs. /usr/doc/HOWTO on my system. After
you get your machines networked together, read mini/IP-Masquerade
and PPP-HOWTO. You might also want to read Security-HOWTO and
Firewall-HOWTO.
> Also, I need to know what hardware. This will be a home network so I
> don't need anything too fancy or expensive. Just somthing that will
> work reliably. I don't know anything about networking and have heard of
> 10baseT, ethernet. What should I get.
The lowdown can be found in the Ethernet-HOWTO. You need a NIC card
for each machine. For only 2 machines, you don't need a hub, but you
do need a special cable that swaps xmit and recv. Faster is better,
but I found 5 used 10Mbs ISA SMC Ultra for $5 each.
> And do I need to set up any
> special service on the machines to be started up at boot time?
It all just worked, right out of the box when I installed RH 5.2.
NET-3-HOWTO is a must read, even if your installation documentation
tells you how to select your IP addresses and edit /etc/hosts.
I didn't find a HOWTO for the Apache web server, but if it is installed
and running, point your browser to http://localhost/ and read.
Hope this helps. Have fun.
--wmp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dominic Hargreaves)
Subject: Re: I broke my system! (again)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:34:04 GMT
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:34:45 -0400, "Dale"
<dlackie1*nospam*@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>Dom,
>
>Ever put any thought into buying a tape backup for your system?
>
>No, I am not trying to be a wise-ass.
>
>If you had the entire drive backed up, you would be able to mangle any file
>you felt like, and (if the unmangling did not go well) EASILY restore the
>whole thing in a few minutes.
>
>Dale
>RH 6.0/W98 Dual Boot
>
>
I'm beginning to think that it's a good idea, but somehow when you've
got a limited budget TNT 2 cards sound more exciting :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson)
Subject: Re: screen capture
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:29:47 GMT
You can use that wonderful graphic program xv to grab screens, windows,
cropped areas, etc.
...Edwin
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:47:49 -0500, Thomas Boggs
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can simply use 'import' if you have ImageMagick installed.
>
>-thomas
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Is there a generic facility in X to make a screen (or window) capture,
>> or do I need to install a thrid-party program?
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Apache ~ user directories?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:35:14 GMT
Actually you will find that line in the srm.conf, _not_ the httpd.conf. At
least that's the way it is in my two systems.
...Edwin
On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:59:14 -0400, Allin Cottrell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gina wrote:
>
>> What's the term for having user directory web pages. I'd like to enable this
>> on my httpd Apache server (under linux). Ie:
>> http://www.binarycity.net/~tgreen/
>
>"locate httpd.conf"
>"grep public-html httpd.conf"
>
>change "public-html" (if you wish) to some other name,
>corresponding to the sub-directory of /home/tgreen that you
>want to be made available over the web.
>
>--
>Allin Cottrell
>Department of Economics
>Wake Forest University, NC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Westin)
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Linux?
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:39:13 GMT
It's Lynn-ux for the OS and Lie-nus for the guy. Don't ask me why though
:-) Best Regards...
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From: K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:27:51 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:08:08 -0700, K. Bjarnason
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You say this as though it is hard to selectively install the pieces
> > > of a Linux program.
> >
> > Nope; just giving an example of the MS approach. Linux *may* do this as
> > easily, I'm not sure. What I wonder, though, is if *LINUX* does ti this
> > easily, or if *Debian* does it this easily - note the difference.
>
> Linux is just a kernel. Generally, when one talks about Linux, they
> mean distros in general. In terms of package management, each on
> handles things differently. SuSE, for one thing, is capable of
> handling dependancies itself if you're installing things from CD.
>
>
Oh, marvellous. Wasn't Linux's strong point supposed to be
standardization? So now we have umpteen different distros, with
different package managers, with different GUIs, with different...
Windows may not be perfect, but at least the user doesn't have to worry
that just because he bought his copy from vendor A instead of vendor B,
even the way he installs applications is totally different. :)
Let me know when *Linux* has *a* standard GUI, with *a* standard - and
GUI-based - method of installing applications, and we'll compare it to
Windows in terms of ease-of-use for the end user.
Oh, and let's not forget other little issues that go along with that,
such as standardized GUI-driven uninstall mechanisms, so the user knows
exactly where he has to look to remove an application if he wants -
something equivalent to add/remove programs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: W98 removed lilo
Date: 10 Sep 1999 15:32:47 GMT
In <7rajb9$g3a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Peter Scully" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I upgraded to W98 (dual boot) and now I can't get back into Linux. If I use
>a boot disk it complains because it looks for /boot on hdc5 (it's on hda5) -
>any of you helpful people know how I can get lilo back in place?
Yes, windows does that. It is trying to be helpful, since now that you
are running the worlds greatest operating system, you would have no
reason to use anything else. (Actually, it does warn you tht it is doing
this in the install procedure-- you probably just paged over it without
thinking)
You have to run lilo again under Linux with a new /etc/lilo.conf.
Use the boot and rescue disks to boot a copy of linux off the floppy
drive. Then mount /dev/hda5 somewhere (eg /mnt/) and run lilo with
lilo -C /mnt/etc/lilo.conf
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From: Conway Yee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 10 Sep 1999 15:39:24 -0400
>> computer is a tool to most people, not a hobby. Most people do *not*
>> want to fart around learning 803 different command-line switches and
>> trying to remember which apps they're used with.
For most commands, a scant few options are needed. For tar, for
instance, I use xf and cf most of the time. The rest can be looked up
as needed. The set of switchs used by different people may differ.
This is the power of command line options. The same tools written
once suit MANY people.
>> Most folks want a
>> nice, simple, point-and-click interface complete with standardized menu
>> locations, commands and so forth for common tasks. They want this
>> because they want to be able to install, run, and if necessary uninstall
>> their tools - word processors, spreadsheets, whatver - without *having*
>> to know how the system works.
They are convenient but are limitted in that when one way doesn't
work, you are SOL. Personally, I prefer command line options for the
command itself and then a GUI wrapper for those who want it. Thus all
needs are satisfied. Each tool does ONE thing well. The command line
does the work well. The user interface talks to humans well. The
best of both worlds is achieved.
For my personal use, all of my programs use a command line. I have
also written a single generic curses interface for my programs. One
single configuration file takes care of all switches for me. I solve
the problem once and never have to worry about it again. I don't
happen to program X but if I had to learn, I would probably do the
same thing.
Conway Yee
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Why dows Netscape say "no DNS for mail/news" ?
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:43:01 -0600
Wade Segade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Andrew Purugganan wrote:
> >
> > What server is defined for Mail and news when you click on
> > Netscape-Edit-Preferences-mailAndNews-servers?
> > Your ISP should give you these names (you're not the ISP are you :-)
>
>
> In all Window$ apps, the servers are simply "mail" and "news."
Then you had better have your domain name set correctly in Dialup
Networking (Windows) or /etc/resolv.conf (Linux).
Why not just use the full "news.isp.com" or whatever it is?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Wasatch Communications Group
-| http://www.wasatch.com/~bobh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:38:46 GMT
On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:31:43 GMT, Aram Iskenderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:02:42 GMT,
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote:
>
><Snip>
>
>>>>Nobody but an idiot enables active desktop.
>>>
>>>What a technical insight, I'm overwhelmed.
>>>
>>>perhaps the honorable gentleman would explain why?
>>>I think that you're confusing ActiveX with Active desktop.
>>>Two entirely different things.
>>
>>Well, perhaps it's because the first four machines we installed
>>IE 4 on with Active Desktop enabled had to be reformatted and
>>rebuilt before we could get them to work.
>
>Hmmm?
>What has enabling Active Desktop with reformatting?
>Please expand on this.
Installing IE4 with Active Desktop on developers machines (usually loaded with
a great variety of various development packages, tools, etc.) caused some
of the packages and/or apps that we critically needed to work not to
work, to the point that our only solution was to strip the machine down
and reinstall from scratch.
This was, in fact, primarily a problem with the IE4 installer, but it
gave everyone here a poor impression of IE4.
--
When a clever man was stupid, he was stupid in a way a man who was
stupid all the time could never hope to match, for the clever man's
stupidity, drawing as it did on so much more knowledge, had a breadth
and depth to it the run-of-the-mill fool found impossible to duplicate.
-- Harry Turtledove
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cannot find libstc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:42:20 GMT
In article <7ravhi$8md$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am running Suse 6.0 distribution of Linux and wanted to install Code
> Crusader and Code Medic.
> The installation of Code Medic failed saying that one of the library
> was missing. The library is libstc++-libc6.1-1.so.2. I checked on my
> CDs but haven't been able to find it.
>
> Does anyone have any idea in which rpm package I can find this
library?
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Bertrand Sirodot.
>
go to http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/ and search for it
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> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: KDE kppp
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:54:00 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It's possible to select dynamic IP Adress but i did not find a option
> DNS adress is assigned by the server or something like this.
Your ISP should be able to give you the IP of his DNS server. It isn't
going to change much, as he needs to inform the fine folks at InterNIC
if it does and that's a bit of a pain. If he can't tell you this
information, find another ISP as the current one is incompetent.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Wasatch Communications Group
-| http://www.wasatch.com/~bobh
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From: rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: netscape 4.51 hangs
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:01:56 -0600
I am using netscape 4.51 as installed by
slackware 4. It mostly works ok, but every time
I visit barnesandnoble.com it locks up and
has to be killed, often requiring -9. Then I
tried arena but it turns the page into a garbled mess.
What to do?
rob.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ret Hat 6.0 ---- Help Help Help ....
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:59:50 -0500
dj wrote:
>
> I am very new to Linux (usually a Windows user). Recently I bought RH
> version 6 and now trying to install it. I am facing some problems during
> installation. Need help desperately.... :-(
>
> During the installation system always hangs when it comes to install
> "Desktop back ground images" (10.198MB). Once it hanged during the
> installation of another large program. I usually let it run for few hours,
> but seems to have no progress and no activities on my PC. I am very keen to
> install test Linux. Please help.
It should not take several hours to install.
>
> Here is my disk setup :
>
> Total space 2.5 Gb
> Ram 94 Mb
>
> / 100 Mb
> /usr 1200 Mb
> /home 1000 Mb
> swap 50 Mb
I don't offhand see why you are having a problem with that
partitioning, but try doing it without a separate /usr
partition. In other words just do / with 1200 MB. It
is possible you are running out of space in / which is
not in /usr, although as mentioned above, I don't see where
it could be. But /lib is one possible place.
In any case there is no real reason to have a separate /usr
partition.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A Guy Called Tyketto)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: REAL PLAYER Install Problems.
Date: 10 Sep 1999 14:04:05 -0500
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Eric Y. Chang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Wow. This sounds like exactly what the problem is. Unfortunately, I
> don't know how to use dd to clear out the NONBLOCK error. Actually, I
> do not see such an error. Also, is the rpopen patch part of Linux or
> RealPlayer? I am using RedHat 5.1 (2.0.34).
Nope. not part of linux at all. dd is a basic utility for
writing data to disk. the rpopen program/patch was something someone had
written, when the bug in the late 2.1.11* kernels was fixed. See
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes for info on where to get this, or
to apply dd to realplayer 5.0. be sure to back up realplayer before
doing it.
BL.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:21:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Oh, marvellous. Wasn't Linux's strong point supposed to be
: standardization?
No. Its strong point is that it works. :)
: So now we have umpteen different distros, with
: different package managers, with different GUIs, with different...
Yes. They all *contain* Linux. None of them *is* Linux.
Linux is open as is most Linux software; this allows the user plenty
of choices, which admittedly can be overwhelming to folks who aren't
used to having choices.
Distributions tailored to non-technical users (Mandrake, Caldera,
SuSE) tend to have *default* configurations that are somewhat
consistent within the distribution. More advanced users can change
them, but the new user who isn't ready to do that needn't worry about
it.
: Windows may not be perfect, but at least the user doesn't have to worry
: that just because he bought his copy from vendor A instead of vendor B,
: even the way he installs applications is totally different. :)
Well, typing "make" is pretty simple and standard, but I agree to a
point that distros and apps tailored to non-technical users could make
it even simpler. Maybe put an icon out on the desktop which when
clicked would mount /dev/cdrom, look for one or more Makefiles, prompt
the user to select one, and then fire away. That would be even
simpler than finding and running e:\SomeProg\SomeDirectory\Setup.exe,
which I've found that many Windows users are incapable of doing.
: Let me know when *Linux* has *a* standard GUI, with *a* standard - and
: GUI-based - method of installing applications, and we'll compare it to
: Windows in terms of ease-of-use for the end user.
This is a Frequently Rehashed Topic and I therefore won't rehash it
again.
The strength of Unix and Linux is not uniformity, but flexibility.
The two are not always in conflict, and when you can achieve both, you
should, but if the two are in fundamental conflict then the more
flexible solution will most likely win out.
: Oh, and let's not forget other little issues that go along with that,
: such as standardized GUI-driven uninstall mechanisms, so the user knows
: exactly where he has to look to remove an application if he wants -
: something equivalent to add/remove programs.
glint, although butt-ugly, works fine for the RPM-based distros that
non-technical users are most likely to use. And I believe that both
Gnome and KDE have nicer looking packages that do essentially the same
thing.
And this very fact demonstrates one advantage of the Unix/Linux
approach: for things like package management where a centralized
database of installed packages is needed, it can exist, with a fairly
standardized location and format, but at the same time there can be a
*variety* of front-ends to this database, for differing classes of
users and user preferences.
Why someone would prefer the Windows "one size fits all" approach is
beyond me. Any appropriate Linux distro will give you package
management, with not one, but several tools which may look and feel a
little different, but any of which make adding or removing packages
*at least* as easy as it would be under Windows, if not more so.
Joe
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