Linux-Misc Digest #753, Volume #26 Mon, 8 Jan 01 15:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: ip masq problems on 2.2.15 kernel ("Tauno Voipio")
compiling 2.4.0 problem (Dirk =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F6rner?=)
Re: help with compiling kernel 2.4 (Andr�)
Re: help with compiling kernel 2.4 ("Gerard H. Pille")
Re: ppp problem with ISP (Glitch)
Re: ppp problem with ISP (Glitch)
Re: ppp problem with ISP (Glitch)
Re: ppp problem with ISP (Glitch)
Re: CD-ROM Filesystem Help (Uwe Malzahn)
Re: ppp problem with ISP ("Peter T. Breuer")
The mailx program (* Tong *)
Re: bash ^d (Barry Margolin)
Re: How to obtain info on "GNOME vs KDE" ? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: help with compiling kernel 2.4 (Harlan Grove)
RE: What to do about win apps when wanting linux stability? (net name)
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From: "Tauno Voipio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ip masq problems on 2.2.15 kernel
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:14:51 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:93ci3g$hov$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi.
>
> I'm having problems getting IP MASQ to work (acutally I can't even get
> the two comptuers to talk to each other).
>
> In the linux machine I have a two ethernet cards. One is a Linksys
> running the DEC Tulip driver and is connected to a cable modem
> (everything is a-ok on that connection).
>
> The other is a 3com etherlink iii. I have it's ip address set to
> 192.162.0.3.
>
> This is connected to a hub, to which a Win98 machine running the same
> exact 3com card is connected. The connection lights on both ehternet
> cards as well as on the hub are all lit, yet I can't ping either machine
> with the other machine. When I run route I get the following output:
>
> 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 eth1
>
>
> Both machines can ping themselves fine.
>
> Is there something I'm overlooking?
>
So far so good...
Pinging an own IP address does not say anything of the interface card
functionality: the internal IP stack is smart enough to loop back internally
all packets sent to self.
What is the IP address of the Windows computer (should be 192.168.0.x, where
x = 1 or 2 or 4 to 254)?
What does ifconfig eth0 report?
Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio @ iki fi
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:07:21 +0100
From: Dirk =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F6rner?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: compiling 2.4.0 problem
while compiling 2.4.0 downloaded the final release on a suse 6.4 I got
this error:
In file included from ksyms.c:17:
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h: In function `kstat_irqs':
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h:48: `smp_num_cpus' undeclared
(first use in this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h:48: (Each undeclared
identifier is reported only once
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h:48: for each function it
appears in.)
make[2]: *** [ksyms.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/kernel'
make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/kernel'
make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2
Dirk:/usr/src/linux #
Does anybody now why?
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From: Andr� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help with compiling kernel 2.4
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:20:05 -0200
> [Author: Hung Ngoc Lai
> [Date: 8 Jan 2001 18:49:36 GMT
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>[...]
Try to compile without using modules...
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� Andr� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Gerard H. Pille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help with compiling kernel 2.4
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:28:45 +0100
Hung Ngoc Lai wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am running RedHat Linux version 6.1 with kernel 2.2.18. I would like to
> upgrade the kernel to version 2.4. I download linux-2.4.0.tar.gz to /usr/src
> directory the following steps:
> 1) gunzip linux-2.4.0.tar.gz
> 2) tar -xvpf linux-2.4.0.tar
> 3) cd /usr/src/linux
> 4) make mrproper
> 5) make menuconfig (in this step, I uncheck the Cardbus support (pcmcia) because
> I am running linux on a destop [dell 300MHz])
> 6) make dep
> 7) make clean
> 8) make bzImage
> 9) make modules
> 10)make modules_install
>
> in step 10, I get this error:
>
> upgrade the kernel to version 2.4. I download linux-2.4.0.tar.gz to /usr/src
> directory the following steps:
> 1) gunzip linux-2.4.0.tar.gz
> 2) tar -xvpf linux-2.4.0.tar
> 3) cd /usr/src/linux
> 4) make mrproper
> 5) make menuconfig (in this step, I uncheck the Cardbus support (pcmcia) because
> I am running linux on a destop [dell 300MHz])
> 6) make dep
> 7) make clean
> 8) make bzImage
> 9) make modules
> 10)make modules_install
>
> in step 10, I get this error:
>
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/lib'
> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `modules_install'.
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/lib'
> cd /lib/modules/2.4.0; \
> mkdir -p pcmcia; \
> find kernel -path '*/pcmcia/*' -name '*.o' | xargs -i -r ln -sf ../{} pcmcia
> if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.4.0; fi
> /sbin/depmod: invalid option -- F
> Usage: depmod [-e -s -v ] -a [FORCED_KERNEL_VER]
> depmod [-e -s -v ] MODULE_1.o MODULE_2.o ...
> Create module-dependency information for modprobe.
>
> -a, --all visit all modules
> -d, --debug run in debug mode
> -e output unresolved symbols
> -i ignore symbol versions
> -m, --system-map <file> use the symbols in <file>
> -s, --system-log use the system log for error reporting
> --help display this help and exit
> -v, --verbose run in verbose mode
> -V, --version output version information and exit
> make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1
>
> *******
>
> At this point, I copy the bzImage and System.map to /boot, modify the
> /etc/lilo.conf, and run the /sbin/lilo command and reboot the box. When
> the system is restarted, it hangs. I could not get passed the line
> "decompressing the linux kernel".
>
> Going back to the error message, it has to do with the pcmcia modules which
> I don't need. How do I get around this problem? When I recompile the box
> with kernel 2.2.18, I didn't see the pcmcia directory under
> /lib/modules/2.2.18; however, I do see the pcmcia directory
> /lib/modules/2.4.0/pcmcia under kernel 2.4. Can anyone help me with this
> problem? Right now, I am running kernel 2.2.18 but I really would like
> to use kernel 2.4. I am a newbie here so please be gentle with me.
>
> Many Thanks....
> David
Maybe your modutils are not up to date?
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:34:51 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ppp problem with ISP
>
> > If i know that i can maybe compensate for it in linux. W/o knowing that
> > I don't know in which direction to go.
>
> Tell your isp that you start ppp and they don't, if that is what
> happens. But I don't believe it.
That's what KPPP tells me. If I take out my chat script, and use PAP,
Kppp tells me i tried to start pppd w/o the other end being ready and
since ppp on my end got no response it died.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:35:58 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ppp problem with ISP
Mark Addinall wrote:
>
> Glitch wrote:
> >
> > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.misc Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > John Todd wrote:
> > > >> With my ISP, I have to cue them which service I want with my
> > > >> username, thus:
> > > >> SERNAME: myusername%ppp
> > > >> If I leave that out, I get the shell. Maybe call (phone!)
> > > >> your ISP and check what they expect?
> > >
> > > > to get a shell you enter a '1' at their menu that appears when u dial in
> > > > or 'q' for quit, how u get ppp started is beyond me. That isn't an
> > >
> > > It had better start being within you, because if you can't find out, your
> > > computer won't. People are more intelligent than computers.
> > >
> > > > option anymore so that means the only way is automaticaly starting it.
> > >
> > > What do you mean "automatically"? Do you mean "without waiting".
> > > Wvdial can do that. It's the "stupid" option. Configure it.
> >
> > I used it. The same thing happens no matter what program I use. PPPD is
> > started but the server does not do its part and b/c of that pppd on my
> > end dies. I can't help that Linux doesn't work the same way Windows does
> > in this respect. I thought it would but you tell me why I can get a ppp
> > link started with win98 with only providing my username and password but
> > i CANT do the same in Linux. The only different is the OS. My ISP said
> > with the new digital system supplying a username and password is all
> > that is needed and that would fall under the protocal of PAP, however it
> > doesn't work that simply in Linux, only in Windows.
> > >
> > > > Windows can do that, Linux can't it seems, at least not with my ISP.
> > >
> > > It's nothing to do with linux.
> > >
> > > > i've called 2 times. They say PAP is PAP and supplying a username and
> > > > password is all that is needed. That's what I do in Windows98 and it
>
> Sounds like your machine is set up in the old fashioned mode.
> No flame, I'm a dinosaur and it took me a while to nut it.
> Seems to work by magic.
>
> If you are using chat scripts lose them.Select
> PAP authentication in whatever dialer you use.
>
i already have. That was stated in earlier posts.
> Make sure your pap-secrets file is set up with
> your fully qualified username and password.
>
> >
i use kppp, do i still have to setup my pap secrets file? if so maybe
that is the problem but i dont think it is, but i could always be wrong.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:40:03 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ppp problem with ISP
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> >> In comp.os.linux.misc Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> What do you mean "automatically"? Do you mean "without waiting".
> >> Wvdial can do that. It's the "stupid" option. Configure it.
>
> > I used it. The same thing happens no matter what program I use. PPPD is
>
> What do you mean? We are talking about wvdial. Sow the pppd error
> messages.
>
> > started but the server does not do its part and b/c of that pppd on my
> > end dies. I can't help that Linux doesn't work the same way Windows does
>
> ppp is ppp. If the other end doesn't start ppp when you start it, and
> doesn't offer a menu otion to start it up, then no other method is
> available! You try it.
>
I know that. The mystery here is its started when i use win98 w/o my
intervention. Assuming it's started on my end somehow the ISP picks it
up or it does it on its own and starts communicating to Win98 that it's
ready for a connection. Or assuming it does it's part first and win98
picks up a second or 2 later a question arises....how do i my ISP to
start ppp first if indeed it is the one starting first when i use win98?
This isn't a very hard problem it seems, but i've had to repeat the
situation many times for some reason.
> > in this respect. I thought it would but you tell me why I can get a ppp
> > link started with win98 with only providing my username and password but
>
> You can't. You have to do something else, such as starting ppp, or
> telling the other end to start ppp. There is no magic.
i have no way to tell my ISP to start ppp. I used to but not anymore.
That's the problem. In win98 i dont have to tell them but i can still
get on the Net, not so in Linux. SO what is the difference???
>
> > i CANT do the same in Linux. The only different is the OS. My ISP said
> > with the new digital system supplying a username and password is all
> > that is needed and that would fall under the protocal of PAP, however it
> > doesn't work that simply in Linux, only in Windows.
>
> It works fine. Look at the ppp debugging messages if you need more
> info. There is no need to play at guessing.
i'll try it as of right now its my only option.
>
> >> > i've called 2 times. They say PAP is PAP and supplying a username and
> >> > password is all that is needed. That's what I do in Windows98 and it
> >>
> >> Good, so now you are sure. So do it.
> >>
> >> > works fine, why it won't work in linux using the same procedure is
> >>
> >> It works fine.
> >>
>
> > so why is pppd dying on my end when i use linux , but i can get a
> > connection in Win98?
>
> Have a look and find out. There is no need to use your imagination.
> Just take a look. Possibly you are requiring authentication, or some
> other minor thing that the other end can't satisfy. Or the other
> end is demanding a compression mode that you can't satisfy. You have
> to observe.
answer this: why is it as easy as supplying a phone number, username,
and password with Win98 but it isnt like that in Linux? It seems i have
to look at debug messages and fool around with who knows what else for
the same thing to happen.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:42:16 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ppp problem with ISP
>
> When I first was setting up Linux on my first machine, I had trouble
> getting in to my ISP. I had my machine log everything I did into
> /var/log/messages, and everything seemed fine. I watched the chat script
> run, and everything was as I expected, except that a little after they
> told me my IP address and theirs, they hung up on me. Since I have a
> full service ISP, I called tech support and they snooped the connectioin
> as I tried to connect. They noticed instantly that I did everything
> correctly, but did not tell them to go into ppp mode. It took about 15
> seconds for me to fix that.
>
I have no way of telling my ISP to go into PPP mode, not anymore. They
removed that option from their menu system. I'm baffled b/c somehow a
ppp link (using win98) can still be established betweeen me and my ISP
w/o me having to worry about whether they have a ppp option anymore. In
WIn98, it just connects and logs me on. In linux, ppp is not started at
my ISP, it is on my end but b/c of the first situation pppd on my end
dies b/c it gets no response from my ISP.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Malzahn)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM Filesystem Help
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:09 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
abc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to get Oracle 8i installed on a redhat 7 box. I screwed with
> my 2.2 kernel too much and gave up on installing, but I have recently
> installed 2.4. My problem now is that the file on the CD called
> runInstaller now appears as runin~uw. Any ideas? I've checked to make
> sure the iso9660 filesystem is configured, and it is.
>
joliet support is missing.
Cheers,
Uwe
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ppp problem with ISP
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:45:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Tell your isp that you start ppp and they don't, if that is what
>> happens. But I don't believe it.
> That's what KPPP tells me. If I take out my chat script, and use PAP,
kppp is NOT a debugger. Look at the pppd messages only. They must be
directed to one of your log files via syslogd. You must add debug as a
pppd option.
Peter
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From: * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The mailx program
Date: 08 Jan 2001 15:44:44 -0400
Hi,
There are two version of command line email programs: mail and
mailx. At least it is true for Solaris. I'm wondering where I can
find the mailx for Linux.
The reason I'm asking here is that the mail tool come with Redhat is
called mailx-8.1.1-10.i386.rpm, but it is actually mail.
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://members.xoom.com/suntong001/
- All free contribution & collection & music from the heavens
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: bash ^d
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:55:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
* Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In Linux slackware, when I try to use ^d to logout from bash, I got
>a warning saying something like "type logout instead". How can I
>disable this feature?
>
>Somebody said it is build into bash executable but I copy a good
>version from my RH and it behave insane in slackware. So I think
>there must be some (hidden) configuration that I don't know of.
Well, they didn't do a very good job of hiding it; I found this in the bash
man page:
Shell Variables
...
IGNOREEOF
Controls the action of the shell on receipt of an EOF
character as the sole input. If set, the value is the
number of consecutive EOF characters typed as the first
characters on an input line before bash exits. If the
variable exists but does not have a numeric value, or
has no value, the default value is 10. If it does not
exist, EOF signifies the end of input to the shell.
This is only in effect for interactive shells.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Genuity, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to obtain info on "GNOME vs KDE" ?
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:47:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arctic Storm wrote:
>
> > > The biggest difference [between GNOME & KDE] is the
> > > browser. Konqueror is an excellent browser in its own right, and GNOME
> > > doesn't even have one.
> > > Therefore, KDE wins.
> >
> > I have GNOME, and it originally came with Netscape 4.x, and I recently
> > installed Netscape 6. What do you mean by, "GNOME doesn't even have one
> > [browser]"?
>
> Netscape? Need I say more?
Yes. You need, for example, say what is the connection between
Netscape and GNOME?
I mean, other than using GTK+ (not GNOME) as a low-level toolkit
(less than 20K of the 5M LOCs of Mozilla!, a whole toolkit built over
it), I know of none.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help with compiling kernel 2.4
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:50:54 GMT
In article <93d240$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hung Ngoc Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/lib'
>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `modules_install'.
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/lib'
>cd /lib/modules/2.4.0; \
>mkdir -p pcmcia; \
>find kernel -path '*/pcmcia/*' -name '*.o' | xargs -i -r ln -sf ../{}
pcmcia
>if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.4.0; fi
>/sbin/depmod: invalid option -- F
>Usage: depmod [-e -s -v ] -a [FORCED_KERNEL_VER]
> depmod [-e -s -v ] MODULE_1.o MODULE_2.o ...
>Create module-dependency information for modprobe.
>
> -a, --all visit all modules
> -d, --debug run in debug mode
> -e output unresolved symbols
> -i ignore symbol versions
> -m, --system-map <file> use the symbols in <file>
> -s, --system-log use the system log for error reporting
> --help display this help and exit
> -v, --verbose run in verbose mode
> -V, --version output version information and exit
>make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1
>
>*******
>
>At this point, I copy the bzImage and System.map to /boot, modify the
>/etc/lilo.conf, and run the /sbin/lilo command and reboot the box.
>When the system is restarted, it hangs. I could not get passed the
>line "decompressing the linux kernel".
Not a good idea to proceed with booting a new kernel when there are any
kernel build errors.
The problem is that the 2.4 kernel's Makefile uses a feature (-F)
of /sbin/depmod that's been added since Red Hat 6.1's release. You need
a more recent version of modutils. I believe the version from the Red
Hat 6.2 Update provides the '-F' option. See (mind the wrapping)
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/redhat/6.2/updates/i386/modutils-2.3.21-
0.6.2.i386.html
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From: net name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: What to do about win apps when wanting linux stability?
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:01:12 -0500
Thank you, Robert, for your informative reply.
What flavor of linux would you suggest I run, keeping in mind
the slow laptop hardrive and limited memory 16MB?
Also, I need a version that is inexpensive or free.
I know a little unix, but haven't installed linux before, so there
will be a learning curve.
Thanks.
>===== Original Message From Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
> net name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> In a message on Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:12:14 -0500, wrote :
>
>nn> What is the best os to run on a compaq presario laptop P-150 16MB 1.2
GigHD?
>nn>
>nn> Is it possible to run a dialup connection to a server setup for windows
>nn> clients, such as netzero, whereby the connection is successfully made
thru a
>nn> regular win95 dun client (not with their bloated adware) using linux and
>nn> some
>nn> type of windows emulator or just plain linux?
>
>The netzero *signup* requires MS-Windows. Once you go through the
>signup process and get your account name and password figured out, you
>can use the normal PPP connect code on a Linux box to *connect* to
>netzero from Linux.
>
>nn>
>nn> Generally is there an os that will give better stability than win95 and
>nn> more logic and yet afford one the capability of running windows apps
>nn> when a linux equivalent cannot be found?
>nn>
>nn>
>
>The best you can do is:
>
> Install Linux
> Buy and install vmware
> Install Win95/Win98 under vmware.
>
>Win9x is said to run slightly faster and is slightly more stable when
>run in a virtual machine under vmware.
>
>At this point there are really rather few MS-Windows applications which
>don't have some kind of Linux equivalent available. Star Office does
>everything MS-Office does, for example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
> \/
>Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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