Linux-Misc Digest #779, Volume #21 Sun, 12 Sep 99 21:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: FREE EAST TIMOR!!! STOP THE KILLING!!! (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Absurd Linux mentality ! (Wayne Power)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need national ISP (Alex Kaufman)
Re: Any way StarOffice can decently run on 32M ? ("Ryan T. Rhea")
Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question (John Girash)
Textbook for Course on Linux (Pete Holsberg)
Device Permissions Quandry ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
mounting Iomega Zip100 under scsi emulation? (Edwin Estrada)
Re: mounting Iomega Zip100 under scsi emulation? (Garfield)
Re: Advantech 4825 & LILO stall at LIL ("Ed Patriquin")
Re: SupraMax PCI Modem under Red Hat 5.2 (Greg Madden)
Re: Chat and simple dialing of modem (Chuck)
chsh -s bsh (Greg Madden)
Simple C not working... ("Douglas Cowan")
Re: Getting scripts to execute in a different console? (John Hasler)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.m68k
Subject: Re: FREE EAST TIMOR!!! STOP THE KILLING!!!
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:58:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William B. Cattell wrote:
>Lisa Evans wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > James Knott wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pedro RA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > > >Sorry to post off topic but this is EXTREMELY important!
>> > > >
>> > > >FREE EAST TIMOR NOW!
>> > > >STOP THE KILLING KNOW!
>> > > >
>> > > >Please take a look at the nearest
>> > > >internacional news broadcast.
>> > > >
>> > > >Remember KOSOVO, RUANDA,
>> > > >BOSNIA, CAMBODJA, KURDISTAN,
>> > > >or the HOLOCAUST. Or remember all
>> > > >of them. You may as well add
>> > > >EAST TIMOR to this list.
>> > > >
>> > > >DO SOMETHING!
>> > > >
>> > > >Do what ever you can.
>> > > >
>> > > >Better even:
>> > > >STOP SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED!
>> > > >
>> > > > FREE EAST TIMOR
>> > >
>> > > Let's all send them our old Linux CDs!!!
>> >
>> > That's actually not a bad idea... We can lobby congress and the UN to
>> send
>> > a Peacekeeping mission over and then train the Timorians(?) on how to
>> > sharpen the edge of the used CD we send them. They can then use them
>> as
>> > weapons and achienve their freedom. Or we could keep the old CDs and
>> use
>> > them for coasters. ;-)
>> >
>> > Bill
>>
>> You people are disgusting. Remind me to make jokes at your expense the
>> next time you and your family are shipped to a concentration camp and
>> slaughtered, because that's what's happening in East Timor right now.
>>
>> Lisa Evans
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>If this situation upsets you so (in E.Timor) then take your baggy ass over
>there and talk to each bloodthirsty Indo soldier and convince them that
>YOUR way is the right way and they should stop hurting those folks. After
>you've created peace over there then come on back to the good old US of A
>and teach congress and the whitehouse how to end hunger, discrimination and
>government corruption. Since you have all the fucking answers go solve the
>world's problems. While you're doing that me and some other 'disgusting'
>folks will mind our own business and play with our Linux OS based
>computers. fuck off bitch.
While I agree such postings do not belong here as it is not just there
and while I agree a lot of "concerned" people are running around in
Nike shoes and other things I doubt to be insulting postings like this
belong to this group either.
I shall leave it to Lisa to send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a mail regarding your
behaviour if she wants to, although I am very tempted to do so myself
and you might consider moving on to alt.trash.
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From: Wayne Power <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Absurd Linux mentality !
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:10:21 -0400
"David M. Cook" wrote:
> On 10 Sep 1999 17:17:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >My heading is a bit extreme - perhaps ?
>
> Yes.
If you take a little time to understand it, you'll find there's nothing
absurd about it.
> >Linux users who are proud that they learned what:
> >" cd /home; tar cvpf - * | ( cd /newhome; tar xvpf - ) "
> > means; don't yet realise that knowledge of this arbitrary syntax, will be of
> > no use to them in 10 years time.
Untrue. And you should say 'tar cf - . | (cd /newhome; tar xvpf -)'
to catch any files beginning with dot. You don't need the first p or
double verbosity.
> The above has been around for nearly 20 years, perhaps longer (I don't know
> the history of tar). I don't see any reason it wouldn't be useful in
> another 10 years.
True. Longer, actually. Shell scripts I wrote between 10 and 20 years
ago under various flavors of Unix work fine under Linux. C code from
the same era compiles, installs and runs, unchanged.
If you find it frustrating to migrate from MS to *nix, let me assure
you that it's considerably more unpleasant to use DOS and Windows after
knowing Unix.
--wmp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:18:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) writes:
>On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:25:35 -0700, K. Bjarnason
>> According to your reasoning, the reason cars took over was better
>> technology. Therefore, by your reasoning, Windows - being the dominant
>> end-user platform, at least in the PC world - is therefore the superior
>> technology, while Linux is an outdated, outmoded, obsolete tool chewing
>> hay at the roadside while the world passes it by.
>VHS was not superior to Betamax, but it still won out.
VHS *was* superior in the two important aspects that mattered most to
the buying public: Price and recording time.
Bernie
--
You see things, and you say 'Why?' But I dream things that never were,
and say 'Why not?'
George Bernhard Shaw
Irish playwright, 1856-1950
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From: Alex Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need national ISP
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:30:19 -0400
IBM, AOL, probably Sprint also.
Ken Williams wrote:
>
> I need an ISP that simply has one phone number for me to call toll free no
> matter where I am in Canada and perferable the US. I don't need unlimited
> access, I just want to dial a phone number that doesn't change, log on and
> check my mail wether I'm in Montreal or Florida.
>
> Any recommendations?
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From: "Ryan T. Rhea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Any way StarOffice can decently run on 32M ?
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:22:24 +0000
Adrian Dimulescu wrote:
> I saw a message posted somewhere where some guy said that he never saw
> such a big resource eater as Netscape Navigator. While I can use Netscape
> pretty well on my 32 MB of RAM, I can say that I never experienced such
> dramatic and constant swapping for an office package before I tried
> StarOffice. It is really an enourmous program and I dare to say not really
> optimally coded. (WordPerfect for Linux and Word for Windows are more than
> confortable with my memory). It is truly a pity since it is a full-
> featured program.
> Or maybe I am misusing something ?
> If you have any idea on some configuration that may speed things up,
> you're welcome !
>
> ------------------ Posted via CNET Linux Help ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
I totally agree. I ditched StarOffice after 30 minutes of impatient
thumb-twiddling. WordPerfect runs much faster. There are no speed tweaks,
either.
Sincerely,
Ryan T. Rhea
Winthrop University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sci.seti
Subject: Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question
Date: 12 Sep 1999 19:26:12 -0500
In comp.os.linux.misc Mike Detlefsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Well, if I were setting up such a system, I'd want *some* redundancy due
: to the idiots out here that think it's fun to try to send bogus results.
They haven't open-sourced the client, so it should be easy for them to set
up a simple checksum on the results and only rerun those few for which the
checksum doesn't. I believe in the FAQ they mention the ability to do this
securely as a primary reason for not open-sourcing (but I could be wrong).
: In fact, I'd set it up to send it a third time if the first two didn't
: match. Obviously this is a very small percentage of work units, but still.
Exactly: what you're talking about applies to a very small number of work
units, and the corrections could be handled serially. What they're doing
(inferred from the stats page and the FAQ) is sending out almost all work
units redundantly, and (eventually inevitably) in parallel.
: What else are the resources going to be used for? A cute penguin
: screen saver? :-) I can't speak for other people, but I don't leave my
: machine on just so I can run Setia@home.
Admittedly, most of their crunching is being done on Wintel machines that
don't idle the cpu when it's got nothing to do, so I can't even plead the
slight waste of electricity that would ensue with a more efficient client/
server pair. For the non-Wintel folk it does make a (small) difference. But
the main point is that they should be more forthcoming with what's up, out
of simple respect for the people donating their spare cycles to the cause.
As for what "better" to do, there's always the Mersenne primes (for e.g.).
(Alas, the client from www.mersenne.org makes my i150mmx make odd sounds).
cheers
jg
p.s. I do hope I'm wrong about all this. But looking at the chat transcript
(http://chat.yahoo.com/c/events/transcripts/special/073099seti.html) it sure
looks like they're about where we think they are, acknowledging that they
can't (currently) send out data fast enough to satisfy the clients, that they
are limited by data-collection speed, that "there may not be enough data to
go around if the client becomes 10X faster [due to possible optimisations]".
They could at least have the provision to put the client to sleep if it's not
currently needed, and to check in ~once/day to see if a new data stream's up.
Then they could "safely" optimise clients as well. (RC5/DES does this afaik.)
--
"don't listen when you're told about the best days in your life Spirit of
a useless old expression, it means passing time until you die." the West
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-- John Girash -- girash @ cfa.harvard.edu - http://skyron.harvard.edu/ --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Textbook for Course on Linux
Date: 12 Sep 1999 23:16:32 GMT
Which of the mnay Linux books on the market would be most
suitable as the textbook for an intro course on Linux? For
a sysadm course?
Thanks,
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Device Permissions Quandry
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:02:44 GMT
Something strange seems to be happening to /dev/mixer and /dev/hdc (my
dvd dirve). Their permissions change depending on who logs in. For
example, if user gcleaves logs in, 'ls -l /dev/hdc' looks like this:
brw------- 1 gcleaves disk 22, 0 May 5 1998
When user csolari logs in after user gcleaves, she can't use /dev/hdc.
Not unless user gcleaves logs out, in which case user csolari becomes
the owner of /dev/hdc.
A permission change 'chmod 666 /dev/hdc' executed by user root only
lasts until somebody else logs in. When, say, user jsmith logs in after
the permission change, user jsmith becomes the owner of /dev/hdc and all
other users lose all privileges.
I just noticed this behavior and I think it just started, though I can't
be sure. I am a newbie, is this normal? It can't be. /dev/hda (my
only hard dirve) does not display this behavior.
I am running RH6.0 on a computer that is not connected to the Internet
save some ocasional dial-ups. I doubt I have been cracked. Any
suggestions?
Geoff
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:17:13 +0000
From: Edwin Estrada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: mounting Iomega Zip100 under scsi emulation?
Can anyone tell me which /dev file to use in mounting Iomega Zip100 with
scsi emulation enabled on the kernel?
Without the emulation I can just do
mount -t vfat /dev/hdb4 /mnt/zip
Any info is appreciated, Thx
Ed
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From: Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: mounting Iomega Zip100 under scsi emulation?
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:28:24 -0500
Edwin Estrada wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me which /dev file to use in mounting Iomega Zip100 with
> scsi emulation enabled on the kernel?
>
> Without the emulation I can just do
> mount -t vfat /dev/hdb4 /mnt/zip
>
> Any info is appreciated, Thx
> Ed
you can try /dev/sda4
--
We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the
source code
means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department.
(Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software)
The secret to success is - find out where the people are going and get
there first.
--- Mark Twain
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From: "Ed Patriquin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Advantech 4825 & LILO stall at LIL
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:04:19 GMT
I'm back to using the ST4310 now.
Cyl Head Secs
BIOS 524 255 63
fdisk -l 524 255 63
Someone also suggested turning off the L2 cache. The 4825 doesn't have an
L2 cache. I tried turning off the internal cache, BIOS shadow, and video
BIOS shadow, all with the same results.
Thanks for the suggestions, though. Fresh perspectives are welcome.
Ed Patriquin
Cameron L. Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <2cTC3.10714$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed
Patriquin wrote:
> >I am trying to setup at Advantech 4825:
> >
> >AMD 5x86 @ 133, CT65550 video, 2S 1P, 16 MB EDO memory.
> >
> >I have tried setting up Linux on the IDE hard disk and the system ALWAYS
> >stalls with LIL on reboot. This happens with RedHat 5.0 & 5.1, as well
as
> >SuSe 6.1. The original HD is a Seagate ST4310 4GB drive, but I have also
> >tried on an old Quantum 240MB to eliminate drive geometry issues.
>
> A small disk can still have drive geometry issues.
>
>
> >I even get the same error when [...] I dd the vmlinuz to a floppy.
>
> That's not possible. dd the bzImage to floppy and boot, and
> Lilo never gets near it. There is no way to get LIL<hang>
> from a raw bootimage floppy. Something else is going on here.
>
> Opem your BIOS menu and write down the disk parameters BIOS sees.
> Boot your install disk, get a shell, and run fdisk -l, and
> write down the parameters fdisk gets from the kernel.
> If the two sets of numbers are not equal, Lilo will not work.
> If they are, something else is wrong.
>
> Cameron
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:37:02 -0800
From: Greg Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SupraMax PCI Modem under Red Hat 5.2
No. I just replaced an older supra express on a machine that I had been
using NT. Hopefully I can find a windows machine to put it in.
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:09:42 -0700
From: Chuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chat and simple dialing of modem
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >I am trying to use the 'chat' command to simply dial a phone number and
> >the man chat does not describe it very well. Can anyone help me dicern
> >how I tell it where my modem is....send the ATDT string and the the
> >number.
>
> chat reads stdin and writes to stdout. That's it.
> chat '' AT OK ATDT5553987 </dev/ttyS1 >/dev/ttyS1
> (assuming your modem is on ttyS1)
Thanks for the help, however all I get is the 'TR' light glows but
that's it. My phone continues with the dial tone...not even a click. I
have tried using /dev/modem which I had to use for my ppp connnection
and /dev/cua1 which I use for xminicom & kermit but they proved to be
just as unsuccessfull. Any other ideas to get Linux to dial for me?
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:08:19 -0800
From: Greg Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: chsh -s bsh
On a SuSe6.1 installation I was teaching my self how to use the
different shell programs. Unfortunately I misspelled bash, I was root at
the time, and now when I try to su or login as root It tells me bsh does
not exist. Dumb move, but I seem to be locked out of root. Tia
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From: "Douglas Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Simple C not working...
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:44:36 +0100
I can program a bit in C/C++, though I've only ever used it in Windows. In
fact, I've written a simple 3-d engine in Windows for Glide and would like
to port this to Linux, since I've decided I quite like it after installing
it for the first time ever.
Since I'm a complete Linux newbie I'm having a bit of a problem with GCC.
I've used GCC with Windows before and it's worked, so I don't understand
what I'm doing wrong!
I've written a program to display "Hello" on the screen and compiled it with
gcc -c and linked it with gcc -o. Now when I run it, nothing happens -- the
linux prompt just moves to the next line. The commands I've used are printf
of stdio.h and I also tried cout << of iostream.h, but I get the same
result...nothing!
Help! If I can't get the old "hello world" thing to work, what hope is there
for my 3d-engine?
Douglas Cowan
**
Here are the listings if they help:
#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
printf("Hello\n");
}
======
#include <iostream.h>
int main()
{
cout << "Hello\n";
}
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting scripts to execute in a different console?
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:15:02 GMT
Mladen writes:
> Is there a way to start a program in VC 7? I'm asking because once I
> close up 1, the program gets killed, but I'd like to keep it running as
> long as the system is up.
You are going at the problem wrong way around. do
nohup script &
This will run 'script' in the background set up to ignore the hangup signal
it will get when you log out and with its standard output and standard
error redirected to $HOME/nohup.out. man nohup.
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