Linux-Misc Digest #779, Volume #27 Fri, 4 May 01 19:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: What Linux DB is close to Access97? ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: swap space size on RH 7.1 ("D. Stimits")
Re: Good web based mail server? ("Brian Schwarz")
Re: How to configure my Windows keys in Gnome v1.4? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HP Products disapoining in Linux - was Linux vs Microsoft ("Matt O'Toole")
modifying filesystems to accomodate files >2GB ("Jonathan Epstein")
Re: time adjustment (Kwan Lowe)
Re: time adjustment (RogerB)
Re: HPFS (fledermaus)
Re: PCI code on solaris 5.6 (Philip Brown)
Re: time adjustment (John Hasler)
Re: USB harddisk - how to get more out of it (John Hong)
Re: Visual file comparision tool ? (Garry Knight)
Re: swap space size on RH 7.1 (Dave Brown)
Re: time adjustment (Dave Brown)
Re: Visual file comparision tool ? (The Real Bev)
Re: time adjustment ("George M. Butler")
Re: Best way to manage source code? (MH)
Re: HP Products disapoining in Linux - was Linux vs Microsoft ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Linux DB is close to Access97?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:14:21 -0700
"Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9cpj7h$qgc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> MS access may be rubbish, but it indeed provides a frontend which is
> extremely friendly for people who just want to USE a database. If you are
a
> person who want to BUILD a database, there is no challenge in Access.
I disagree. I've used Access a lot, as well as most of the other programs
of its type. Access is not user friendly, except at the most basic level.
If you want to do anything more complicated than an address book, the
learning curve is just as steep as with a "real" RDBMS, just different. So
if you need a real database, and you care about your data, forget Access
altogether. Invest your time in a more solid product. If you want something
basic and easy, I much prefer Approach, or Filemaker Pro. They don't do as
much, but they're a lot easier to use, and more reliable. A developer might
find the Access front end useful, though:
> BTW I use a linux based MySQL database connected to my Windows PC on which
> I have a very usefull Access frontend, connected with MyODBC to MySQL.
> Works perfect. The StarOffice DB frontend is terrible.
I'd pobably just build a web-based front end, but everyone's needs are
different.
This isn't an anti-MS rant. MS does have a few good apps. In the office
arena, Excel is the app no one can touch, not Access.
Matt O.
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:15:37 -0600
From: "D. Stimits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: swap space size on RH 7.1
Dave Brown wrote:
>
> The release notes for RH 7.1 indicate that the 2.4 kernel loves
> lots of swap space. They recommend 2x Real Memory up to 256MB!
> (They caution that installer will not create more than 2GB of swap
> space, you'll have to do that on your own.)
>
> This sounds crazy for a workstation! What is going on in swap space?
>
> --
> Dave Brown Austin, TX
Twice as much swap as ram is a very old rule of thumb, and nothing new.
The warning that during install you can't create more than a 2 GB
(around 2000 MB) swap means you can only have a maximum size swap space
that is huge. I've used at least 256 MB of swap space even since the
earliest days (although back then it had to be done 128 MB at a time).
One thing to consider is that any computer that uses up all ram, and all
swap space, combined, is dead, period. While there may be setups that
attempt to kill non-essential programs before that happens, once it
happens, it dies. One reason for a rule of thumb to use twice as much
swap as ram is because the system slows down as it begins to swap out
instead of using real ram...when you are using twice as much swap as ram
it is significantly slower, but still useful...more swap space is not a
bad thing, but your system might be too slow by then to avoid
aggravation.
D. Stimits, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Brian Schwarz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Good web based mail server?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:29:04 -0700
"Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm running RH7.1 amd am looking for a good Web based mail-server app.
> Any favorites or suggestions?
I implemented QMail with a web based administration front end and a web
based mail client at a company I used to work at. Take a look at
http://inter7.com/qmail/ for more info. If I remember correctly, I used:
qmail
vpopmail
qmailadmin
sqwebmail
This was time I ever used Linux for "real work", and it took me a couple of
weeks to get it all running the way I wanted, but once I had it set up it
worked like a charm.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to configure my Windows keys in Gnome v1.4?
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 20:40:31 GMT
Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Phillip Pi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have been reading the newsgroups and trying to use xmodmap to
>> configure Windows keys in RedHat Linux v7.1. So far, I have been unable
>> to make them do anything. This is what I have so far in .Xmodmap file:
>> !Left Windows Key
>> keycode 115 = Alt_L
> Hmm...doesn't your keyboard already have a left Alt key? I'm not
> sure if it matters, but better safe than sorry; give them names that don't
> conflict with anything else.
> Anyway, yes, you want to add that to .Xmodmap. Then run
> "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap". Then use whatever key-mapping-setup program
> Gnome offers to map the "Menu" key to "bring up menu". You will also
> want to add that xmodmap command to your .xinitrc file so that the
> keys get set up every time you start X.
Ok. I can't figure out the command that calls the Gnome Start Menu or
the Favorites Menu. Maybe I am looking at the wrong place. I was looking
at Sawmill's keys binding. I am not sure how to configure the keys to call
the menu.
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HP Products disapoining in Linux - was Linux vs Microsoft
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:57:40 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LXDI6.210796$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I agree. They seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouths
> > on this one. Releasing the appropriate info to the commnity would
> > take minutes. They obviously really aren't interested in doing
> > that. But they want to be able to jump on the Linux bandwagon, or
> > at least not be seen as lagging in the Linux area.
>
> That's probably fair comment.
>
> > I have a feeling they want to help Linux as little as possible. Why?
> > Because it's a potential competitor to their own commercial Unix. It's
only
> > a matter of time before enterprise commercial Unix is replaced by open
> > source, and the longer HP can keep its finger in the dike, the better.
Even
> > print drivers for desktop machines help Linux gain momentum. I doubt HP
> > will come around until they see themselves losing more by not being able
to
> > sell printers to Linux users, and that may still take awhile.
>
> Keep in mind that the printing and server business units at HP are
> _quite_ independent.
>
> It is entirely likely that the printers in question are no more usable
> with HP/UX than they are with Linux, and that the respective business
> units are _fine_ with that. There just can't be many people that want
> to hook up a $175 colour printer to a $275K PA-RISC system with 8
> CPUs.
Of course. But I do think HP has been cold shouldering Linux, for the
reasons I mentioned. The lack of printer drivers is just an example, even
though totally unrelated to the business in question.
> They're not so worried about lack of Linux printer sales as they are
> about the potential for competitors like Lexmark, Canon, Epson, and
> such to "steal" their intellectual property if they reveal actual
> specs for the low end printers.
I'm sure this is true, but IMO it's misguided. I believe HP builds better
hardware, and possibly software, than their competitors. Even if they
released ther specs, I believe HP would still do a better job writing
(Windows) drivers than anyone else. Either they don't believe this
themselves, or they're dominated by stodgy, backward thinking.
> If the support for HP colour printers is crummy, then by all MEANS,
> feel FREE to:
>
> a) Buy some other vendor's printer, and
> b) Tell HP that they lost that sale because of lack of support.
I've already done it. I would rather have an HP printer than an Epson, but
I buy Epson now for Linux compatibility. In my experience HP printers are
far more reliable, and cheaper to operate.
> If they get 5,000 letters indicating that they lost sales, they're
> going to extrapolate that as indicating that they lost a whopping lot
> more than that, because not everyone writes a letter.
>
> One letter is NOT going to make the difference; the one letter will be
> neglected and not noticed. But if there are hundreds or thousands of
> complaints, eventually a VP will hear a rumour...
I've already written. Now it's everyone else's turn.
Matt O.
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From: "Jonathan Epstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modifying filesystems to accomodate files >2GB
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:12:31 -0400
Yesterday I upgraded from Redhat 7.0 to 7.1, primarily so that I could use
files >2GB. E.g., I downloaded the file
ftp://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/blast/db/nt.Z
which is slightly less than 1GB, but will expand to >2GB on a system which
handles this properly. I then typed:
zcat nt.Z >nt
and got the error:
Filesize limit exceeded (core dumped)
[epstein@zfish ~]$ df
Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 17140848 1285096 14985032 8% /
/dev/sdb1 17496684 4055396 12552496 25% /home
[epstein@zfish ~]$ sh
sh-2.04$ ulimit
unlimited
ulimit shows that I have no limits, and as you can see I have plenty of disk
space.
Do I need to recreate my file-systems to make the >2GB limit work?
If so, any pointers to do this would be helpful.
TIA,
-Jonathan
[I bought the Redhat 7.1 "Deluxe Workstation" edition so that I would hope
to have support for issues like this. They say that this type of issue is
"not covered" ... pardon the smoke coming out of my ears ... ]
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From: Kwan Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:21:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX system can
> connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it possible to do it
> under Linux?
Yes -- the package is called ntp (or perhaps xntp). It's not difficult to setup.
Check the NTP howto.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB)
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:32:12 GMT
Try here http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/
On Fri, 4 May 2001 15:53:38 -0400, wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX system can
>connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it possible to do it
>under Linux?
>
>Thanks
>
>Wroot
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From: fledermaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 4 May 2001 17:46:49 EDT
Subject: Re: HPFS
I was playing around with writing from RedHat7.1 to HPFS, no problems,
except when there was a synch problem which required going into OS/2
to issue a CHKDSK. I also tried it with a beta version of Mandrake 8.0.
However, my main OS/2 partition will stay READ ONLY for a very very long time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: PCI code on solaris 5.6
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:47:21 GMT
On Fri, 04 May 2001 09:25:44 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I am not very familiar with writing device drivers. I wrote a few small kernel
>modules
>on Linux. For Solaris, where can I get information about writing such code?
You'll get a kickstart at
http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/drivers/TIPS.html
You'll also probably want to grab my PCI skeleton at
http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/PCIbase.tar
>should I follow
>similar procedure to Linux ie. rebooting the kernel, loading the kernel
>modules etc.?
If you write crashproof code, you dont have to reboot solaris to fiddle
with drivers.
On the other hand, reality says you'll have to reboot a lot ;-)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:45:18 GMT
Wroot writes:
> I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX system
> can connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it possible to do
> it under Linux?
Yes. Just install chrony or ntp.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: USB harddisk - how to get more out of it
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC)
William Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I am using kernel 2.4.3 and I have attached a USB-IDE harddisk to my
>thinkpad 600.
How did you get your USB hard drive going? I've been trying to
get mine up and running, but so far nadda. Did you get this working under
the 2.4.2 kernel? That is what I'm running with Red Hat 7.1. What
distribution are you running?
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Visual file comparision tool ?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:35:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 04 May 2001 13:28:02 GMT in article
<C7yI6.22323$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In article <GvuI6.11$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> >
> >I need some file comparision tool (for text files; display all
> >added/changed lines) like WinMerge - preferable for KDE or at least plain
> >X.
>
> I don't know what WinMerge is, but both gtkdiff (GTK) or mgdiff
> (motif) work nicely. Don't know of anything for KDE.
I believe it's called Kdiff.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: swap space size on RH 7.1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 May 2001 17:38:18 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, D. Stimits wrote:
>Dave Brown wrote:
>> The release notes for RH 7.1 indicate that the 2.4 kernel loves
>> lots of swap space. They recommend 2x Real Memory up to 256MB!
>> (They caution that installer will not create more than 2GB of swap
>> space, you'll have to do that on your own.)
>>
>> This sounds crazy for a workstation! What is going on in swap space?
>
>Twice as much swap as ram is a very old rule of thumb, and nothing new.
>The warning that during install you can't create more than a 2 GB
>(around 2000 MB) swap means you can only have a maximum size swap space
>that is huge. I've used at least 256 MB of swap space even since the
>earliest days (although back then it had to be done 128 MB at a time).
I hope I didn't start a thread as to why or how swap space. I was trying
to find out what's different in the 2.4 kernel that would require such
swap space as the RedHat installer to do things unusual. (It says it
will create a swap file if you don't stop it.)
With regard to the "very old rule of thumb", that was quite appropriate
when systems were shipped with 16 or 32 MB of real memory, but gets a little
silly which 512 MB of real memory, unless really needed--doubtful on a single-
user workstation, I'd think.
Swap usage is something that can be monitored, an additional space added later
if it appears useful.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 May 2001 17:42:22 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler wrote:
>Wroot writes:
>> I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX system
>> can connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it possible to do
>> it under Linux?
>
>Yes. Just install chrony or ntp.
...or rdate. And don't forget hwclock to sync the hardware clock to system
time.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: The Real Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Visual file comparision tool ?
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:26:23 -0700
Garry Knight wrote:
>
> On Fri, 04 May 2001 13:28:02 GMT in article
> <C7yI6.22323$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > In article <GvuI6.11$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> > >
> > >I need some file comparision tool (for text files; display all
> > >added/changed lines) like WinMerge - preferable for KDE or at least plain
> > >X.
> >
> > I don't know what WinMerge is, but both gtkdiff (GTK) or mgdiff
> > (motif) work nicely. Don't know of anything for KDE.
>
> I believe it's called Kdiff.
And it works nicely.
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From: "George M. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:37:13 -0500
wroot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX system can
> connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it possible to do it
> under Linux?
>
> Thanks
>
> Wroot
Yes.
As root do
#rdate -s tick.usno.navy.mil
You can do a google search on ntp ( network time protocal ) and find a
list of servers.
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best way to manage source code?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:05:32 -0700
Jeremy A. Gray wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2001 21:19:02 -0700, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> While these responses have been useful, none of them has focused on the
>> primary concern of my original post. The question was not so much "how"
>> do you compile, install, or uninstall source packages as it was how do
>> you manage them?
>>
>> What strategies are commonly employed to keep everything in order? What
>> are the most common, or preferred installation directories, or the best
>> method of organizing one's directory hierarchies? Everything in
>> /usr/local, /opt, /usr/local/src, usr/src? Use a single all-inclusive
>> directory for each package? or with multiple subdirectories? Only
>> compile
>> a few critical packages and rely on RPM or DEB for the remainder? How
>> best to handle applications with large numbers of source packages, like
>> KDE or GNOME? etc.
>>
>> Or is the best we can do here simply trial and error?
>>
>
> Here's what I like to do to manage installed software:
>
> First, I use a package called encap (http://encap.cso.uiuc.edu - I think
> this is correct) that was designed for managing software on unix
> machines here at UIUC. It expects software to be installed in a
> directory like /usr/local/encap/mutt-1.2.5. When it's package installer
> (epkg) is run, it will then link all files in that directory to
> /usr/local.
>
> That being said, I compile individual packages and place them in
> /usr/local/encap & then use epkg to link them to /usr/local. This is
> for thing like mutt, slrn, emacs, vim, etc. Large packages like
> enlightenment, gnome, and kde are placed in /opt/gnome/encap and linked
> to /opt/gnome, for example. For binary only stuff like acrobat and
> netscape, I install them in /opt in their own directory (/opt/netscape).
> I never put anything in /usr because that is supposed to be reserved for
> programs installed with the operating system.
>
> The main benefit of using encap is that I can test a new version of the
> software I use without destroying an old version. For instance, I can
> have two versions of vim compiled in /usr/local/encap, allowing me to
> test the bleeding edge version by simply unlinking the old version and
> linking in the new one. If the new version doesn't work, reverting to
> the old version is a issue of running 2 commands, not rebuilding.
>
> As for the source trees, if I keep them, I keep them in the appropriate
> src directory, i.e. /usr/local/src for /usr/local.
>
OK. That helps. Nice tip about linking. Let me make sure I understand.
When I look in /usr/local I see the following (RH7):
bin
doc
etc
games
info
lib
man
sbin
src
All of the subdirectories listed above are empty. Is there any reason I
can't remove them? I assumed the system somehow used these directories,
but apparently not? Except for src, which is where I would keep my source
packages, and one other subdirectory (encap, or whatever), which is where I
would install the packages compiled from source, which are then linked to
subdirectories of the same name under /usr/local, if I understand you
correctly. So under /usr/local I would have something like:
encap
package1 (link) -->encap/package1
package2 (link)-->encap/package2
package3 (link)-->encap/package3
...
src
For each "package? (link)" there would be a corresponding subdirectory
under encap, where the installed files for each package are actually
located, and a corresponding source package subdirectory under src (from
which the package was compiled)?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HP Products disapoining in Linux - was Linux vs Microsoft
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 23:09:41 GMT
"Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:LXDI6.210796$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > They're not so worried about lack of Linux printer sales as they are
> > about the potential for competitors like Lexmark, Canon, Epson, and
> > such to "steal" their intellectual property if they reveal actual
> > specs for the low end printers.
> I'm sure this is true, but IMO it's misguided. I believe HP builds
> better hardware, and possibly software, than their competitors.
> Even if they released ther specs, I believe HP would still do a
> better job writing (Windows) drivers than anyone else. Either they
> don't believe this themselves, or they're dominated by stodgy,
> backward thinking.
For the colour printers, the issue most likely is that they have set
up some nifty schemes for doing colour "enhancement." Letting too
much information out risks making the task easier for the competitors.
And I agree that this is shortsighted, but that doesn't prevent them
from managing their company based on what their intellectual property
lawyers say.
Hey, Nortel Networks got in trouble in part because they listened to
the engineers, and neglected to do careful "financial report cards" on
the likelihood of the customers actually having the funding to pay for
all the cool toys that the engineers wanted to install. They didn't
listen to the bean counters quite enough...
> > If the support for HP colour printers is crummy, then by all MEANS,
> > feel FREE to:
> >
> > a) Buy some other vendor's printer, and
> > b) Tell HP that they lost that sale because of lack of support.
> I've already done it. I would rather have an HP printer than an
> Epson, but I buy Epson now for Linux compatibility. In my
> experience HP printers are far more reliable, and cheaper to
> operate.
I've only ever had three printers, since the 1980s. The present HP
LJ5l is running fine, and my little brother inherited the DeskJet 500
which presumably is still running. I like their hardware. (And
_love_ their calculators; again, different division...) Though not
the _modern_ cheap stuff.
> > If they get 5,000 letters indicating that they lost sales, they're
> > going to extrapolate that as indicating that they lost a whopping lot
> > more than that, because not everyone writes a letter.
> >
> > One letter is NOT going to make the difference; the one letter will be
> > neglected and not noticed. But if there are hundreds or thousands of
> > complaints, eventually a VP will hear a rumour...
> I've already written. Now it's everyone else's turn.
Were I in the market for a new printer...
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