Linux-Misc Digest #793, Volume #21 Mon, 13 Sep 99 16:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Newsreaders & Internet Browsers? (Timothy Ong)
Re: NFS on RH 6.0 vs AIX 4.2.1 -- can't mount! (Bill Pemberton)
Re: Redhat 6.0? (Timothy Ong)
Re: Swapping harddrives, this is confusing, I need help (steve mcadams)
Re: CDR software for linux (Matthew Bafford)
Zoom Dualmode 56k w/Vgetty? (jsrockford)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Re: StarOffice? ("Christopher W. Aiken")
Re: Textbook for Course on Linux (Richard L. Gabriel)
linuxconf for suse 6.2 (Norbert Wegener)
Re: Advice needed. (Lew Pitcher)
MP3 players ("saken")
Re: How can I disable su? ("Art S. Kagel")
free NCAR graphics type libraries? (Mike Zulauf)
Re: Can't access samba shares from windows 98 (Sjoerd)
Re: Oracle Financial on Linux (Hans-Friedrich Pfeiffer)
Anyone done business with "The Linux Store" ("D. Richard Hipp")
Re: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers? (Henrik Becker)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Philip Brown)
Re: STUPID C question (Paul Jackson)
Re: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers? ("Kichi Leung")
Re: Major StarOffice for Linux Speed-up trick - quick help? (Philip Brown)
RH6 Installation: Failed probing for mouse (Tan)
Re: Linux dialin, assigning dynamic IP, allowing internet access (John Hasler)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:53:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7rc27j$3rp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
-- snip --
> > And on the flip side, Linux GUIs are getting more sophisticated,
> > just like a modern car has a much more sophisticated interface than
> > the Model Ts of yesteryear. I for one am not sure that I *want* a
> > clone of the Windows GUI on the Next big Thing, be it Linux or
> > FreeBSD or something else entirely.
>
> There seems to be a blind spot in *nix user thinking. They seem to
> think that to be as user friendly as Windows - in terms of the typical
> end-user, not the system hacker - that it has to *be* Windows.
No, on the contrary, it's the Unwashed Windows Masses who adopt that
view, which is why so many Unwashed Trolls post "Linux Sux" flamebait
with such appalling regularity. It seems that every week, some new
troll comes online to spew on about his/her travails with trying Linux
for a whole day, or a whole weekend. Bottom line, it didn't behave just
like Windows, so they trash it.
And you yourself posted an "I Want VC++ on Linux" wish list in a
different thread. Specifically, you asked for an IDE development tool
that had all of the in-your-face bells and whistles that Visual Studio
is famous for, the pop-up funtion signatures, pop-up method lists, etc.
Yeah, those things are nice, but they're not for everyone. Some prefer a
cleaner, simpler approach.
> Apparently, they're so focused on Windows that they are unable to
> comprehend any other view of things.
>
> Are you really so limited in your ability to even _conceptualize_ that
> you cannot conceive of a platform, an interface, that's as friendly as
> Windows without looking like it?
Again, that is the view of the Unwashed, and it's based, at least in
part, on the notion that Windows *defines* "user-friendly" for them, and
they're unwilling to consider other definitions.
Curtis
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From: Timothy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:38:44 +1000
Hi
Are there any good newsreaders for linux? I'm using netscape at the
moment and I'm not too impressed with it. Is there something like
outlook express (which I used to use in windows)? Also, are there any
other good internet browsers around. Getting a little sick of netscape
- I had 3 netscape windows open and 3 netscape download windows (one of
them was halfway through downloading star office), and I finished with
one of the netscape browser windows so I thought I'd close it to give
the ol' comp extra resources - and it ended up shutting all the broswer
windows down as well as the downlowding windows! Oh well... any
recommendations would be good.... :) Thanks....
Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Pemberton)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: NFS on RH 6.0 vs AIX 4.2.1 -- can't mount!
Date: 13 Sep 1999 14:20:14 GMT
In article <CWQC3.25$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff Kloek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I had the same problem. I have a 520 running 432. I could mount the 520's
>filesystems
>on Linux no problem, but I couldn't do the reverse.
>Here's what I did to make this work.
>1) on linux side: add insecure to /etc/exports options for your filesystem
Better yet is to run "/usr/sbin/nfso -o nfs_use_reserved_ports=1" on
the AIX machine so that it use reserved ports on the mount.
--
Bill
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From: Timothy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:33:08 +1000
Roman Zydra wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anybody know where to find a complete RedHat 6.0 distribution for
> download as zip or rar or arj file?
>
> Thanks
You should go to the redhat site at 'www.redhat.com'...... then look
around for a link to their ftp server or a mirror (a mirror is much
easier to get in). Should be pretty easy since they've set their web
site up quite well.... :)
Tim
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From: steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Swapping harddrives, this is confusing, I need help
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:45:06 -0600
you probably need to use something like Norton Ghost to do a
partition-to-partition copy. try http://www.ghost.com they used to have a
demo version that would do partition-to-partition copies.
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From: *@dragons.duesouth.net (Matthew Bafford)
Subject: Re: CDR software for linux
Reply-To: *@dragons.duesouth.net
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:40:53 GMT
[Please attribute the person you are replying to. Thanks!]
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:35:23 -0400, Couch, George (EXCHANGE:CAR:SC11)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was attempting to recharge the laptop
battery by typing:
: [Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:]
: >
: > $ cdrecord -audio *.wav
:
: Do you know how to do a "disk at once" audio CDR?
> cdrecord -h 2>&1 | grep dao
-dao Write disk in DAO mode. This option will go away in the future.
>
More info in the cdrecord docs, I imagine.
HTH,
--Matthew
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From: jsrockford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Zoom Dualmode 56k w/Vgetty?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:14:12 GMT
Anyone gotten a Zoom Dualmode 56k (Lucent chipset--NOT Rockwell) to work
with VGETTY? I'm having a heck of a time getting it to recognize it as
a voice modem. Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:01:29 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Darren Winsper:
[Snip...]
|> What's wrong with pointing out overpricing? Also, who are you to
|> determine what does and doesn't matter?
[Snip...]
Darren, have Mr. M$ Lapdogtrollboy get back to you after doing his homework
reading at
http://home.cnet.com/category/0-1008-200-114579.html
It is interesting in this article that an annointed M$ spinmeister attempts
to smokescreen the estimate with the following typically empty M$ puffery:
When asked to provide an estimated range of costs involved in
migrating to Windows 2000, Kahnna said, "It's very difficult to
gauge that. It would depend on the customer scenario."
I see. They would present us with a personalized bill *post facto*. I quite
understand an intense interest in jamming UCITA down our throats as well as
Win2K *beta for debug* at $US 50 or so a pop, thank you very much. And he'd
conveniently ignore the exploding "3rd World" internet/desktop market which
doesn't give a flying fig for several thousand dollars worth of buggy bloat
even if it does provide wonderfully animated paperclips. It is amerocentric
naked greed at its worst parading as Free Enterprise, and it's disgusting.
Less labor, we know what this cost is for a Linux migration: ZERO in any of
the world's currencies.
So let's ask trollboy to do his math as well as reading and get back to us.
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From: "Christopher W. Aiken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: microsoft.public.office.misc,microsoft.public.office.setup
Subject: Re: StarOffice?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:48:06 -0400
I use the spread sheet in SO 5.1 on my Linux box.
Pretty close to M$ Excel. No complaints. I think
it is better than the spread sheet in Applixware 4.2
My $.02 anyway......
...cwa
Kim wrote:
> Has anyone ever used Sun's free "office" product called StarOffice?
>
> The package is said to be multi-platform (Win95/98/NT, Linux, Solaris,
> OS2). Looking for feedback - especially from those who have used it in
> Windoze environment.
>
> Thanks, Kim
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SuSE 6.0, Kernel 2.2.12
The box said 'WIN95/98 or better.' so I installed LINUX!
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From: **gabriel**@twave.net (Richard L. Gabriel)
Subject: Re: Textbook for Course on Linux
Reply-To: **gabriel**@twave.net
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:16:47 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Holsberg) wrote:
>Which of the mnay Linux books on the market would be most
>suitable as the textbook for an intro course on Linux? For
>a sysadm course?
>Thanks,
>Pete
Speaking as a newbie student myself, I think that "Running Linux" by
Matt Welsh et. al. should be high on the list. Check out
www.oreilly.com for their complete line. They have "Linux Network
Administrator's Guide which you might also consider.
Richard
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From: Norbert Wegener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linuxconf for suse 6.2
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:08:08 +0200
I am looking for linuxconf for suse 6.2, but I cannot find it.
Could anyone point me to an url?
Thanks
Norbert Wegener
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: Advice needed.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:10:50 GMT
For the off-beat, try wmx or ude/uwm
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:56:43 +0200, "johan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>i'm kinda new 2 linux, i got redhat 5. i want my Xwindows 2 look alot better
>than it does and take away
>that awful win9x feel, which is the best windows manager 2 use...
>
>--saken
>
>
>
>
>
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant
Toronto Dominion Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: "saken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MP3 players
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:33 +0200
which mp3layer is the easiest/best 2 use? linuxberg recommended 2
xmms and mp3studio, are there better ones or are these good or what?
--saken
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From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I disable su?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:52:09 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Doe wrote:
>
> Dear Gurus
>
> How can I allow only certain users to have access to su?
> I have seen this works on an acount I have access to and
> I would like to do it on linux box.
You have to make a version of su that checks the userid against a list of
valid user ids. Then compile the new program, make it suid root and
install it in place of su. Get the source from the distribution.
Art S. Kagel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Zulauf)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.lang.fortran,comp.graphics.visualization
Subject: free NCAR graphics type libraries?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:03:17 -0600
Hi,
does anybody have any recommendations for freeware libraries for producing
plots (ie contour, line, etc) along the lines of the NCAR graphics
libraries? In particular, I need the routines to be callable from
Fortran.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sjoerd)
Subject: Re: Can't access samba shares from windows 98
Date: 13 Sep 1999 18:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:31:25 GMT, Ironclaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Claudio Francese wrote:
>
>Some versions of Samba require that you enable clear text authentication on
>win98/98 machines so that the sharing works correctly. The easiest way to
>do this is to get the registry key from /usr/doc/packages/samba and install
>it into the win9x machine, it would be Win95_PlainPassword.reg or
>Win98_PlainPassword.reg.
That only worked for me with win95 not for win98. See also the docs that
came with samba (Win95.txt). I probably have to update those windhoos files
as well (also described in Win95.txt).
Sjoerd
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From: Hans-Friedrich Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.databases.oracle.misc
Subject: Re: Oracle Financial on Linux
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:10:22 +0200
Alain Coetmeur wrote:
> =
> Who know if Oracle Financial is available on Linux,
> which parts ? which limitations ?
> =
> any experience with this system under linux ?
> =
> thank in advance.
Hi Alain,
please forgive me - but do you really mean Linux ? I=B4m a fan
of Linux, but Oracle Financials is really a very fat database.
I think you would really have problems with it under Linux.
Greetings Hans Pfeiffer
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From: "D. Richard Hipp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone done business with "The Linux Store"
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:41:24 GMT
I'm looking to buy a new Linux Laptop computer. The N-Flux machine
offered by The Linux Store seems an amazing buy. (For details
see http://www.thelinuxstore.com/) They seem to be $500 cheaper
than any of the major brands.
This makes me suspicious. Things that seem too good to be true
usually are. Is The Linux Store a reputable firm? Why is it that
they can offer a $500 discount over all other retailers? Does
anybody have any dirt on this company?
Your reply by e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be appreciated. I'll
summarize after a few days.
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D. Richard Hipp -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.hwaci.com/drh/
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:25:50 +0200
Timothy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there any good newsreaders for linux?
Newsreader: tin/rtin, emacs
Browser: Netscape, KFM, Lynx
Mailer: ELM, Mutt, KMail
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Sep 1999 18:55:19 GMT
On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:35:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:41:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>On an Airbus plane, however, the plane won't LET the pilot do certain
>>>stupid things.
>>
>>Which is all very well until the plane decides that it would
>>be stupid to open the undercarriage while still in the air.
>
>Or gets stuck in landing mode while over a forestry block.
>
>Another example is the F16 vs the Su37. The Americans take the view excessive
>forces shorten airframe life so they restrict what the fly-by-wire will allow
>the pilot to do. The Russians take the view getting hit by a missile shortens
>air-frame life, so they don't restrict what the pilot can do.
control systems on a fighter plane are a lot different than controls on
a passenger airliner/train/ship.
To stick with the plane analogy:
There have been crashes due to pilot error.
There have been crashes due to MECHANICAL failure.
How many crashes have their been due to systems failure/error?
Not a whole lot.
Write the safety routines right, once. Then have passengers be that much
safer, every time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Jackson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: STUPID C question
Date: 13 Sep 1999 15:51:26 GMT
[Follow-ups set to just comp.os.linux.help. *Please* don't
spam multiple news groups with questions. Pick the best
fit news group.]
The other replies that you need to move the buffer[] definition
to the top of the function probably don't matter. Since you
were able to compile this code, therefore clearly your compiler
is willing to take the modest C++ extensions, such as '//'
comments and definitions appearing in and amongst statements.
That the address of "char buffer[80]" is: -182948394 is no
problem. That's apparently where your stack is on the machine
you are using.
That the buffer is empty even after the fgets() call suggests
that the file you are reading is empty, or at least has an
empty first line.
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From: "Kichi Leung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:42:51 +0800
Try looking at www.linuxberg.com
Timothy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi
>
> Are there any good newsreaders for linux? I'm using netscape at the
> moment and I'm not too impressed with it. Is there something like
> outlook express (which I used to use in windows)? Also, are there any
> other good internet browsers around. Getting a little sick of netscape
> - I had 3 netscape windows open and 3 netscape download windows (one of
> them was halfway through downloading star office), and I finished with
> one of the netscape browser windows so I thought I'd close it to give
> the ol' comp extra resources - and it ended up shutting all the broswer
> windows down as well as the downlowding windows! Oh well... any
> recommendations would be good.... :) Thanks....
>
>
> Tim
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Major StarOffice for Linux Speed-up trick - quick help?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Sep 1999 18:41:30 GMT
On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:41:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I read the following in the Linux StarOffice mini-howto. Can someone verify
>that this tactic still works, and detail the "jailing" commands so ordinary
>users can put it into effect?
>...
>
> There is a solution to this. I run StarOffice in a chroot'd jail. In
>the jail, I just put the binaries and libraries that StarOffice uses (all
>the libs out of /usr/X11R6/lib, libc/libm and libg++/libstdc++).
>StarWriter takes approximately 15 seconds to come up on my P133/32MB.
couldn't you just make a separate directory, copy all the libraries, and
then put that directory first in LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something?
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From: #[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tan)
Crossposted-To: jaring.os.linux
Subject: RH6 Installation: Failed probing for mouse
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:48:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am still facing problem in installing RH6 on my PC. Installation
started fine, but when come to "Probing for mouse...", it hang there.
I have no choice but to Ctrl+Alt+Del. My mouse is a cheapo brand
serial mouse, but should it be problem?
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dialin, assigning dynamic IP, allowing internet access
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:19:34 GMT
Blacka writes:
> I am trying to set up ppp server, but I can't figure out how to allow
> more than one person to dial the same line at the same time.
Not surprising: it's impossible.
> I red something about a rotary dialer in one of the howto's.
That's a service you purchase from the phone company. They install several
phone lines and give them all the same number. They than program their
equipment so that when someone dials the number and one of the lines is
busy they are automatically connected to one of the free ones.
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