Linux-Misc Digest #809, Volume #21 Tue, 14 Sep 99 14:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers? (John Thompson)
Re: Oracle and Red Hat (Michael Hasenstein)
Re: Help - can't access cdrom...! (Timothy)
Re: HELP! How to login and activate DSL???? (Marc Abrams)
kexpress question (Timothy)
Re: Favorite Editor? (Steve Gage)
Re: linux box set up, no cd rom, no modem, need help ("Gary W. Sandvik")
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linuxfeed: New Linux site in search of help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Gnome vs KDE (Sim Grant)
Re: Q? - best combo of linux distrib and apps for 3rd world (Uwe Borchert)
KDE default desktop regenerated: Why? (Martin Gelfand)
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newsreaders & Internet Browsers?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:36:27 -0600
Timothy Ong wrote:
> Are there any good newsreaders for linux? I'm using netscape at the
> moment and I'm not too impressed with it. Is there something like
> outlook express (which I used to use in windows)? Also, are there any
> other good internet browsers around. Getting a little sick of netscape
> - I had 3 netscape windows open and 3 netscape download windows (one of
> them was halfway through downloading star office), and I finished with
> one of the netscape browser windows so I thought I'd close it to give
> the ol' comp extra resources - and it ended up shutting all the broswer
> windows down as well as the downlowding windows! Oh well... any
> recommendations would be good.... :)
To be fair, that was "user error" and not Netscape's fault.
For big downloads I find "wget" much better than Netscape.
It keeps trying until it gets onto the server and then keeps
going until it's got what you want. Resumes partial
downloads in the event "user error" or something else
interferes. It should have come with your distribution.
But regarding newsreaders: there is an abundance of news
clients for linux. Several probably came with your
distribution. What exactly did you like about Outlook
Express? I found it pretty mediocre myself, but will freely
admit that I may not have taken the time to explore all its
features.
Re: browsers. Netscape is probably the most popular and
full-featured one on linux at the moment. If you want lean
'n' mean, try lynx. It probably came with your distribution
also. StarOffice can be used as a browser and just about
everything else.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Hasenstein)
Subject: Re: Oracle and Red Hat
Date: 14 Sep 1999 13:07:06 GMT
Ruben I Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> First of all, the docs are saying that SHMMAX needs to be
> 4294967295. I can't understand why Oracle can't just tell you
> what to enter into the header straight and simple in HEX. My
> hex calculator can't manipulate this magnitude. Is this
> documentation even correct? It seems 2 digits too large from
> everything else I'm looking at.
First, no need to recompile the kernel for shmmax - use
echo NUMBER >/proc/sys/kernel/shmmax
and
cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax
to view the settings.
Second, it doesn't matter very much what number you use - as long as it is
higher than what Oracle needs. Simply use sompthing like
echo 750000000 >/proc/sys/kernel/shmmax
which would enable 750MB of shared mem.
NOTE: it doesn't mean Oracle really uses that much, it only means that's
where you put the upper limit into your kernel! The _real_ limit is your
RAM!
By the way, you don't say what you want to do, what kind of machine you
have, etc.
> The rest of the kernel code is largley defined dynamically:
> It looks like this.
>
> Should I over ride all this?
>
>
> */
> #define _SHM_ID_BITS 7
> #define SHM_ID_MASK ((1<<_SHM_ID_BITS)-1)
>
> #define SHM_IDX_SHIFT (_SHM_ID_BITS)
> #define _SHM_IDX_BITS 15
> #define SHM_IDX_MASK ((1<<_SHM_IDX_BITS)-1)
>
> /*
> * _SHM_ID_BITS + _SHM_IDX_BITS must be <= 24 on the i386 and
> * SHMMAX <= (PAGE_SIZE << _SHM_IDX_BITS).
> */
>
> #define SHMMAX 0x2000000 /* max shared seg size
> (bytes) */
> /* Try not to change the default shipped SHMMAX - people rely on
> it */
>
> #define SHMMIN 1 /* really PAGE_SIZE */ /* min shared seg size
> (bytes) */
> #define SHMMNI (1<<_SHM_ID_BITS) /* max num of segs system
> wide */
> #define SHMALL /* max shm system wide
> (pages) */ \
> (1<<(_SHM_IDX_BITS+_SHM_ID_BITS))
> #define SHMLBA PAGE_SIZE /* attach addr a multiple
> of this */
> #define SHMSEG SHMMNI /* max shared segs per
> process */
> #endif /* _ASMI386_SHMPARAM_H */
--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.suse.de/~mha/
Private Pilot (ASEL) since 1998
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Subject: Re: Help - can't access cdrom...!
From: Timothy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:37:08 +1000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>You can just say mknod /dev/hdd b 22 64 and the file is there again.
Thanks heaps! It worked!! :)
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From: Marc Abrams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP! How to login and activate DSL????
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:51:30 -0700
Read your Cisco (not USWest) manual for the 675. All the things you need to do
to a 675... such as initiating a DOH (Digital Off Hook=Select) session... can be
done from the command line either through the serial port or through a Telnet
session to the 675.
You could easily do a script to take the place of the Commander connect button.
In fact, you could use perl and TCL to replace the Commander completely.
marc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> I've got DSL through US West, both the line and as my internet provider.
> Because my area is new to DSL, I was only able to sign up for something
> called the "select" program, meaning that I have to use Cisco Commander to
> login to my provider, which then gives me net access for 2 hours. After 2
> hours expire, I must reconnect if I wish to get back on the internet.
> Everything works well under Windows. Now I'd like to use Linux.
> Unfortunately there isn't a Linux version of Cisco Commander...
> Does anyone know of a way that I can login to US West under Linux? If I
> login via Windows and reboot to Linux, everything works fine for 2 hours,
> then I must reboot to windows, login again, then go back to linux. This is
> tedious and not a desirable solution because of the 2hr DSL time limit until
> I must login again.
> Inside my machine is a 3com 3C905 ethernet card. This plugs into my
> external Cisco 675 router.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Henry
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From: Timothy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kexpress question
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:41:24 +1000
Hi
I'm using kexpress 0.8.0 to read newsgroups, but I was just wondering how=
to
tell if a message has been marked or downloaded. They seem to look the s=
ame
whether they're marked or not. Thanks......... :)
Tim
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Favorite Editor?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:38:51 GMT
Richard Aleksandr wrote:
>
> Hi :
>
> I am looking for a full screen editor for Linux that doesn't suck.
> gnotepad+ is getting there but has bugs and sucks - for example, select
> another edited file tab and when you go back to the previous file your
> cursor has been reset to the beginning. Hey thanks!
>
> I like theTextEdit shareware editor on Windows A LOT but unfortunately
> as we all know Windows sucks, and now I am back doing Unix development.
> God, do I miss Borland C++ though. Fortunately Inprise is porting C++
> Builder to Linux as we speak. What an excellent development environment
> that is, now I'm spoiled.
>
> Please do not suggest I use xemacs, xemacs SUCKS. But, I would welcome
> any other tips on a decent editor.
I think you would be quite pleased with Nedit.
- Steve
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From: "Gary W. Sandvik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux box set up, no cd rom, no modem, need help
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:29:06 -0500
Reply-To: "Gary W. Sandvik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
You will need to create a boot disk with network support. If you have a scsi
based system then you might try scsi.i. If an IDE based system then use
net.i. The color.gz is a generic rootdisk choice.
Once you have booted the kernel and did your disk partition work then select
setup and do a NFS install. Oh! You might want to be sure to setup NFS
shares on the networked Win/9X system. The easiest I've found is using the
OMNI-4 NFS server software. You can download this from shareware.com, do a
search at shareware.com for NFS then select the OMNI-NFS server software. It
is Shareware and a really nice interface, simple to setup.
Once you have the NFS shares, the install is straight forward and the speed
is dependent on your network. I've done several installs this way without a
hitch.
--
Regards and God Speed,
Gary
Gary W. Sandvik
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
309-676-0224 (fax)
Blacka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:z2pD3.9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi, I currently have a windows 98 machine, and a pent 90 with DOS. I was
> wondering if it was possible to install linux on the DOS computer through
a
> network. Does the network have to be set up first? The hub and all the
other
> stuff are set up, but stuff like samba are not in place since linux isnt
> installed yet.
>
> My question : How do I install linux on a pentium 90 computer which has no
> modem, and no cd-rom, it only has a network card. Please help me.
>
> Orrin Jolly
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:03:10 GMT
In article <7rju7v$bce$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Paul 'Z' Ewande�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
-- snip --
> > Advocating ignorance always makes me angry. Saying that people
> > should remain ignorant "because Microsoft knows what's best for
> > them" makes me
>
> I don't think it's advocating ignorance because Microsoft knows what's
> best for them. It's advocating the "computers are complex machine
> which can be made to be used by minimal effort [which implies of
> course great effort on the part of the programmer], so that many
> people can use it, so it becomes a commodity, drop of prices...
You misunderstand. If you go back and re-read my posts with open eyes
and an open mind, you will see that I have no problem with
computer-ignorant people ***USING*** computers. My problem is the notion
that computer-ignorant people should be able to ***ADMINISTER***
computers. Like it or lump it, installing software is an administrative
task. It *should* be done by someone who has *some* knowledge of
computers. No, when I say, "someone who has *some* knowledge of
computers," I do **NOT** mean PhD in Software Engineering Science. I do
NOT mean MS in Computer Science. I do NOT mean BSEE or MCSE or CNE. I
mean *****SOME***** knowledge. Period.
Yes, I get pissed off by all those self-righteous Windows Advocate jerks
who put such words in my mouth. Anyone would.
> Some people don't want to learn, they just want to use the thing,
> computers can allow that, what's wrong ? Those same persons can even
> use their computers to further their interests in other fields. People
> only dig in the fields that interest them. I'm not sure that you are
> as skilled in *all* the other human endeavor as you are in one. People
> do make choices, and computers are one choice among many.
Yes. I have no problem with any of that. However, note that you used the
word "use." Not "administer" or "install" or "configure." People who
are really as computer-ignorant and computer-apathetic as tou describe
will usually *NOT* want to do administrative tasks, such as installing
software -- they will get the whiz-kid down the street to do it for
them. That's fine.
IF, OTOH, they feel that they must install the new Whiz-Bang Burbleflox
on their system, it only BEHOOVES them to read up a little about
computers first. Start out by reading the manual ***BEFORE*** attempting
the install. If the manual throws them some curve balls, read up on
those. THEN install the software, knowing that you are doing so
intelligently.
Or hire the Whiz-Kid down the street.
Am I saying that there should be Computer Installation Police busting
people who try to install software without having a clue as to what
they're doing? Hell no. But Windows Advocate jerks would have us believe
as much.
-- snip --
> Some people don't care to be enlightened in computers, they just want
> to use it.
^^^
Yes. Use. Not administer.
-- snip --
> > This has nothing to do with "only computer 'experts' . . . should be
> > able to own/operate" a computer. It has to do with having an inkling
of
> > intelligence. Computers are sophisticated. Complex. Unrivalled as
>
> How do you define that intelligence ? Many bright people don't have a
> clue about computer because they just don't care, but culd give you a
> good run for your money in many subjects.
Correct, and if they choose to administer their computer, they will
probably take an intelligent approach, such as learning the minimum
necessary to do such tasks "intelligently."
Which is all I am saying.
> I may be wrong, but i doubt it.
No, you are not wrong.
> And no, I don't make any assumptions about your intelligence, be them
> good or bad.
Nor do I. Nowhere in this thread do I make *assumptions* about peoples'
intelligence.
Nowhere.
-- snip --
> > No. Frustrated. Not arrogant. It's the MS-Contingent with their "We
> > Won The OS War And Everyone Else Is A Luzer" who are arrogant. Their
> > smug "Our Way Is The Only Proper Way To Do Anything" mindset is
> > arrogant.
>
> Hmmm. I've read that Windows user don't really like their computers.
> So they should logically care less, and they generally do. I think
> that generally, the minorities are more likely to feel an identity
> crispation. I may of course be dead wrong. :)
Perhaps most Windows users don't like their computers, but then, "most
Windows users" generally don't post USENET articles either, especially
articles that trash alternative OSes and praise Windows as the One True
Way.
Only the vocal minority do that. And that minority probably do like
their computers, like 'em enough to troll alternatives, at least.
-- snip --
> My cousin, when I had a DOS machine, wouldn't touch my box. When I
> installed Win9x, the box was friendly enough that she began to sue it
> all by herself, and even got enough interest to ask me a few questions
> beyond simple usage.
This probably would have happened with KDE or GNOME or OS/2's WPS as
well. But then, we are still talking about *use* and not
*administration.*
-- snip --
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linuxfeed: New Linux site in search of help
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:14:40 GMT
Hey,
I'm part of a new Linux site called Linuxfeed. You can find us at
www.linuxfeed.com. We are looking for people to help us. If you're
interested in giving us a hand on the site, go to linuxfeed.com and
check out the jobs section. In there is a job description list and what
we need. All the information is at the site.
Thanks a lot
Kevin
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Sim Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnome vs KDE
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:41:44 +1000
Hi,
I feel like Gnome is fancier than KDE but it seems slower
compare to KDE ?? I'm installing from RH6 and enable both
WindowManager as to do some comparison.
Best Regards,
Sim Grant (a.k.a Gummybear)
"Fear Is The Power Of the Dark Side
Fear Is To Anger, Anger Is To Hate, Hate Is To Suffering !!" by Dark Lord - Star Wars
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Borchert)
Subject: Re: Q? - best combo of linux distrib and apps for 3rd world
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Borchert)
Date: 9 Sep 1999 09:21:55 +0100
Hi Allan,
>I am looking for the best combination of distribution, configuration and
>office productivity apps with the following goal.
>
>- Reasonable performance on 486-33, 16 MB Ram, <400 MB HD.
This means:
- no Staroffice. SO needs much more RAM.
- probably you have an ISA graphic adapter -> X is very slow
exept in B&W mode
>- All software free.
This should be no problem with linux. BTW: I have a 486dx33 with 16 MB
and 250 + 500 MB with OS/2, and these apps: IBM-Works, GNU-Plot, LaTeX,
EMX-GCC. It works fine, but the software is not free.
>- apps appropriate for NON-Technical end users need to do wordprocessing,
>
>spreadsheet, email, web browsing, and callandering.
- xspread is a free spreadsheet
- elm, pine are fine newsreader
- lynx, sorry netscape needs more RAM
For word processing look at: http://www.abisource.com/
>- apps not dead (ie: old versions with no future or new development)
>
>I am doing this as a pet project to see if it is feasible to use linux
>and linux available apps to distribute to non-profit workers in 3rd world
>
>countries where $$$ and hdwr are scarce.
>
>I am currently testing on 486-100 AMD, 20 MB Ram, 500 MB HD.
>
This is to fast, may be there is a PCI-Bus in it. Try a 486dx33 with
an ISA-Bus and 512kB graphic adapter. The ISA-Bus and the slow graphic
adapters are the main problem if you use X-Windows. Have a look at
http://www.volks-pc.org/
they have a few informations about the reanimation of old PCs. I
collected a few links about free software, but this page is in german:
http://inf33-www.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de/computer/freesoft.html
But you can follow the links. You might have a look at free DOS and
free GUIs and apps for DOS. Because a 286 with 1 MB can also do his
work. A 486dx33 with 16 MB of RAM is very luxurious and may be not
available for the masses.
Tschuess...
Uwe Borchert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Gelfand)
Subject: KDE default desktop regenerated: Why?
Date: 14 Sep 1999 11:37:11 -0600
The system...
Dual PII, pure SCSI. Formerly running RH5.2, reinstalled
with Mandrake6.0.
The problem...
User personalizes his desktop (deleting gimp, krpm, and
other stuff). Logs out. Logs back in. All the desktop
entries he deleted are now back!
Can prevent this from happening by removing write permission
from ~/Desktop, see error messages in .xsession-errors (cp
failed for...), but we have no idea what process is trying
to regenerate the default desktop entries, or why. This
does not happen on other Mandrake6.0 systems I have seen.
In fact, it doesn't happen with a "test user" (the default
user set up during the Mandrake install), but the user in
question of course has all sorts of stuff in his home directory
from the previous incarnation of the system. We have tried
to remove as much of that as possible that might interfere
with KDE, but so far nothing has helped.
Suggestions...?
Martin Gelfand
Dept of Physics, Colorado State
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