Linux-Misc Digest #826, Volume #21 Wed, 15 Sep 99 19:13:09 EDT
Contents:
A How configure sendmail without a permanent domain name? (Jacek Sierpinski)
killall (James Lee)
Re: "Freeware" vs. GPL (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Favorite Editor? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Linux SCSI and CD Writer (Adrian Hands)
Re: "Freeware" vs. GPL (Marco Anglesio)
File system having problems... ("Mike")
Converting MS-Word to other formats under Linux (Neil Zanella)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (The Ghost In The Machine)
Need help with X Path Problem (me thinks) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent? (Joerg Schilling)
Linux Software Archive + more (noname)
Re: Hard-disk freespace problem (Gareth Chichester)
Re: MP3 players (Anthony Sims)
Pre-release Linux Beta Testers ("RecruitSource")
Re: Can I set up /dev/floppy to be mounted by non-root? (Gareth Chichester)
Re: MP3 Player (Torleiv Flatebo Ringer)
eMachines Sound Driver ("Steve DenBleyker")
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Jacek Sierpinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: A How configure sendmail without a permanent domain name?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:13:02 GMT
I have a computer with Caldera OpenLinux 2.2, at home. I haven't a
permanent Internet connection - I connect to Internet through normal
phone line. My provider (Polish Telecommunication) doesn't give
permanent IP and domain addresses, so I can have different addresses at
different occasions (though from ppp.katowice.tpnet.pl subdomain only).
Of course, I can't have a hostname identical with any of the possible
addresses, so I have localhost.localdomain hostname. I don't use
'Auto-configure Hostname from this IP' option because it confuses
X-server and I wouldn't have a possibility to open any KDE application
during Internet connection.
I want to use sendmail to sent my e-mails. In fact, I use Kmail
configured to use sendmail. I have some e-mail addresses and accounts,
all not related to tpnet.pl domain. In most cases, it works good but
sometimes I receive errors, e.g:
===== Transcript of session follows =====
... while talking to frad.onet.pl.:
>>> MAIL From:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=2454 BODY=8BITMIME
<<< 553 5.4.3 Policy analysis reports DNS error with your source domain.
Of course, I sent it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] But, as I see, sendmail
introduces my real hostname and my real local account name (in this case
root) while talking to a remote mailserver.
I get an advice to configure /etc/sendmail.cf file in order to
masquerade real address. I created /etc/genericstable file:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and then I created /etc/genericstable.db file by the following command:
/usr/sbin/makemap hash /etc/genericstable < /etc/generictable
Before that, I configured a Caldera generic
/usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf/generic-col2.2.mc file - I added a line:
FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/genericstable')
and then I generated /etc/sendmail.cf file. Now, I have the following
fragment in this file:
# Generics table (mapping outgoing addresses)
Kgeneric hash -o /etc/genericstable
(I tried also:
Kgeneric hash /etc/genericstable)
but it still doesn't work... The error is still the same.
How configure it?
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Jacek Sierpinski
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: killall
Date: 15 Sep 1999 12:12:58 -0500
Hi,
Recently, I have been noticing something funny about killall, the command
that was supposed to kill processes by name.
Some of the situations are as follows:
1) While using telnet, and the connection dies off, I tried to issue
killall telnet
and the whole X session got killed. This was on a RH 6.0 system
with kernel 2.2.5
2) I did a
killall -V
to display version information, but the whole X session got killed,
as well as the shell that I was using.
This was on a Debian machine running kernel 2.2.10
3) Inside an X session, in an xterm, I issued
killall telnet
and my window manager (ctwm) got killed. If I kill the X session in an
xterm, X hangs (which is probably correct), and cannot get to a virtual
console. I need to get to a virtual console before killing X in order
not to hang it. This was on a Debian running 2.2.10
The reason I have posting the above was one is my home machine and another
at school, so can't check both at the same time, but it seems both have the
same behavior. The same behavior happens with
killall -TERM process
Any idea what is happening? Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: "Freeware" vs. GPL
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:12:58 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:53:12 -0400),
the artist formerly known as Steve D. Perkins said:
> I was wondering if anyone could either explain (or point to a web
>site URL that does), in brief and consise terms (without having to read
>through multi-page legal documents), the jist of the difference between
>"freeware" and software covered under the GPL?
`freeware' is generally used to describe copyrighted software which is
redistributable under liberal (relative to payware) terms in binary form
but which is unavailable in source form. E.g. Pegasus Mail is freeware.
`free software' is generally used to mean copyrighted software which is
freely redistributable in source and binary form and from which other
programs can be freely derived.
GPLed software is a pparticular kind of free software that places
restrictions on redistribution (you cannot redistribute GPLed binaries
unless you also make the source code available) and derived works (derived
works must also be distributed under the terms of the GPL).
> For example... if I wanted to distribute an application, make its
>source readily available, and give anyone permission to modify and even
>profit from it SO LONG AS THEY GIVE ME RECOGNITION AS BEING AN ORIGINAL
>SOURCE... would that be a freeware app or an app falling within the
>guidelines of the GPL?
I don't think that the GPL requires accreditation of the original author
for derived works (I could be wrong). The old BSD license does that,
though apparently the new BSD license does not contain the required
attribution clause anymore.
> Also, is there anything "special" you need to do for covering an
>application under the GPL... or simply declare that it is so?
The GPL is a license. You can distribute your software under its terms by
declaring it to be so. Note however that there may be circumstances under
which software cannot be GPLed, for example, because an existing license
prevents GPL-type licensing. If this is something you've built from
scratch though, there should be no problems at all.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Favorite Editor?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:04 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:18:30 -0400),
the artist formerly known as Richard Aleksandr said:
>Hi :
>
>I am looking for a full screen editor for Linux that doesn't suck.
Flamebait.
All those who are looking for a full screen editor that *does* suck, please
raise your hands...
>gnotepad+ is getting there but has bugs and sucks - for example, select
>another edited file tab and when you go back to the previous file your
>cursor has been reset to the beginning. Hey thanks!
>
>I like theTextEdit shareware editor on Windows A LOT but unfortunately
>as we all know Windows sucks, and now I am back doing Unix development.
>God, do I miss Borland C++ though. Fortunately Inprise is porting C++
>Builder to Linux as we speak. What an excellent development environment
>that is, now I'm spoiled.
>
>Please do not suggest I use xemacs, xemacs SUCKS. But, I would welcome
>any other tips on a decent editor.
Why not vi (or vim, which I'd recommend)?
(And don't say it sucks until you've learned how to use it. :)
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux SCSI and CD Writer
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:34:44 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello everyone:
>
> I have a AHA 2940 SCSI card with a scanner connected to it. The
> system is RedHat 5.2.
> Now my boss will buy a 12X CD Writer and asks me to install it on a
> RedHAt 6.0 system with this SCSI card and scanner.
> My questions are
>
> (1) IS there any Linux software which can support 12 X CD writer?
> (2) If there is, where to purchase and download it.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Te-Cheng Shen
>
> ps. Can you post in this news group and also email me back.
I'm using an Adaptec 2940U with a Yamaha CRW4416S 4x cd-writer and a an
Iomega Jaz drive on RedHat 6.0.
I've got this in my /etc/conf.modules:
alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx
My 2940 does NOT have a bios rom on it.
Works fine, so far, but I don't use the cdrecorder much.
It seems to say this durring boot:
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.
but it works okay.
When the aic7xxx module loads, it writes this to dmesg:
(scsi0) <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 4/0
(scsi0) Narrow Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs
(scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination
(scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct.
(scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination
(scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted
(scsi0) during machine bootup.
(scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Ext-50 NO)
(scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 413 instructions downloaded
scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.16/3.2.4
<Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter>
scsi : 1 host.
(scsi0:0:2:0) Synchronous at 8.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW4416S Rev: 1.0f
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0
(scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
Vendor: iomega Model: jaz 1GB Rev: G.60
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/16x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 28
sda : extended sense code = 2
sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sda:scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
unable to read partition table
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: "Freeware" vs. GPL
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:29:12 GMT
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:03:07 +0100, Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There are two variants to the GPL. The GPL itself and the LGPL.
>The LGPL allows you to link to existing GPL Libraries whilst keeping your
>own code to yourself (if you so wish).
Clarify that a bit. The LGPL, applied to a library, allows commercial (or
otherwise) developers to link their applications to it without requiring
that the resulting code be released under the GPL or LGPL itself. RMS has
gone on record stating that the LGPL is flawed for this reason; GPL'ed
libraries require GPL'ed code, IIRC.
marco
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> Marco Anglesio | I fancied you'd return the way you said, <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | But I grow old and I forget your name. <
> http://www.the-wire.com/~mpa | (I think I made you up inside my head.) <
> | --Sylvia Plath <
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat,linux.dev.raid
Subject: File system having problems...
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:16:51 -0600
Have a Redhat 6 server at a client site 2.2.5-15 kernel, recompiled to
support raid auto-detection to allow all partitions to be software raid1.
Having a WIERD problem, hoping someone who is familiar with linux
filesystems may be able to point me in the right direction... at apparently
random intervals the root file system seems to loose its mind (I notice
usually because the daily slocate datebase generation hangs). The system
runs ok, and you can do an ls of / with no problem... *but* if you try
anything fancy like and ls -la of / it just hangs the terminal session
(obviously this is what is hanging the slocate generation also). All of my
other partitions are fine, no glitches there, and can successfully ls -la
within them with no problem, and from a quick peek, I can ls -la within
subdirectories of root... it's only "/" itself that is going wierd. A
reboot of the server seems to resolve the problem for a while... but that
isn't a "solution" ;-)
I don't know if this problem is related to the raid, or the kernel, or the
fs... but any suggestions or hints are very much appreciated!
>>>>> Mike <<<<<
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Converting MS-Word to other formats under Linux
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:55:14 -0230
Hello,
Is it possible to convert MS-Word to other formats like Corel Word
Perfect, LaTeX, etc... under Linux (or other OSs but preferably Linux)
with commercial or free software?
Does Corel WP for Linux do this?
Does Star Office for Linux do this?
Thanks,
Neil Zanella
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:17:16 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:42:58 +0100 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>And verily, didst [EMAIL PROTECTED] eloquently scribe:
>> No, on the contrary, it's the Unwashed Windows Masses who adopt that
>> view, which is why so many Unwashed Trolls post "Linux Sux" flamebait
>> with such appalling regularity. It seems that every week, some new
>> troll comes online to spew on about his/her travails with trying Linux
>> for a whole day, or a whole weekend. Bottom line, it didn't behave just
>> like Windows, so they trash it.
>
>And we all know what time of year is approaching...
>Soon the kiddies will be back in school...
"It's always September somewhere on the 'Net"...
...wait, it's September now... ?? :-)
[.sigsnip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need help with X Path Problem (me thinks)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:27:36 GMT
At long last, I have finally moved to Slack 4 (from 3.6). With this new
installation, came XFree86 (version 3.3.3.1). After installing Slack,
and running xf86config, I was getting an error running X. While I can't
remember what the exact wording was, it appeared to be a path problem,
and was followed by the 'x doesn't look in $HOME for the config file
anymore' message. (This is a new one; I've never seen this before.) OK,
so it's back to the docs. I found where, in the XF86 docs it said to
copy the XF86Config file to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. Did that. Then
it appeared as if X was starting to load, but my monitor went into the
power mgt mode (as if it's receiving no signal from the video adapter)
and the PC just sat there. After pressing 20 or 30 different key
sequences, I got back to a command prompt, killed all remaining X and
KDE processes, cleared out my /tmp directory, and now nothing works.
One other item that might be useful: I was logged in as a regular user
(rlohman, not root) when I ran the xf86config script. Soooooo.....
Question 1: Did I take the correct action in copying the XF86Config file
to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11?
Question 2: What general things might I look for to track down why I
couldn't get a desktop once the file was copied? (Again, KDE was the
default window manager after installing Slackware.)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent?
Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:09:18 -0500
In article <7roqgh$8t1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The mt command first appeared in BSD4.3. There was no difference
>between variable length mode and fixed length mode.
>Let's first assume that everything that appeared after 4.3BSD
>is OS specific and no standard on UNIX.
If you don't have a program that knows how to issue the
command to change the block size, then you are stuck
with the device default. In this case it would make
sense to make the default 'variable' but I don't think
everyone does. I suppose you could say that since Linux
knows the internals of more devices than 4.3BSD it is
non-standard - but the SCSI commands have been around a while.
>Tapes on 4.3BAD either were fixed on 512 bytes or variable by
>comtrolled by the write() system call.
I think the write() has to be an exact multiple of the device block
size if the device is not in variable mode. Some types
of drives (QIC02, maybe others) transparently mapped to 512
byte blocks and looked more or less like variable blocks to
write() and read() but any multiple of 512 would work.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.misc,alt.solaris.x86
Subject: Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent?
Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:30:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, joeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Defdef wrote:
>>
>> GNU tar has the same behavior in any architecture/OS because it is the
>> same program ! so you can use GNU tar tape everywhere you have GNU
>> tar...
>>
>> frederic.
>Does 'star' have the same advantage?
Star should compile at least on 20 different OS.
If this is not enough, please help me to extend my makefile system
and star.
>Up to now what i see is that GNU tar has 2 advantages:
>[1] compatibility with 'tar' options, and
Star has this compatibility since ~ one year.
Note that only those options are supported in compat mode that
are unique to all old tar implementations.
>[2] ability to read device nodes
Star does this since 1885, this is 2 years longer than PD tar (the tar
implementation GNU tar is based on) supports device nodes.
>Joerg is saying 'star' can do both and also read 2-bit and 24-bit nodes which
>(someone) said GNU cannot?
>What is the foremost advantage of star over GNU tar? Can i use GNU tar on a
>tape made with 'star'? Or the reverse?
Star supports to read/write GNU tar format, GNUtar does not read all star
archives correctly as it does not read all POSIX tar archives correctly.
Note that in 1987 GNUtar (PD tar) has been POSIX compliant but this changed
approx. in 1989 when it has been 'really' adopted to GNUtar.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (noname)
Subject: Linux Software Archive + more
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:13:20 GMT
Hi
http://mylinuxworld.virtualave.net
includes a new Linux Help Forum for beginners and advanced users. This
forum is still new, so start posting. But the main feature of this
site is its software archive for Linux.
Check out this site now.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gareth Chichester)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hard-disk freespace problem
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:28:02 GMT
>From the darkness came Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, who offered
these thoughts on Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:30,
> Gareth Chichester wrote:
> >
> > I have a strange problem I hope someone here can help me with.
> >
> > When I use df I get:
> > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
> > /dev/hdb8 ext2 537M 481M 28M 94% /
> >
> > For some reason on my root partition the 'Available' space doesn't
> > match up with the Size and Used columns. It started when I did run
> > out of space on the partition (I badly need a new hard-disk).
> > Everything seems to run okay, I'm just not sure it it's a pointer to
> > some other problem later on, so if I can fix it I'd like to.
>
> Hi,
>
> This is normal. The ext2 filesystem allocates some space on the root
> filesystem for root so if the filesystem fills up then the OS still can
> function.
>
> Vilmos
I didn't realise that it was normal to allocate some space, but the
information from df has always tallied before. For days it was
reporting 0 Available space, I uninstalled Netscape 4.0 and it came to
the level it is now. The difference between the amount of free space
I work out from Size-Used and that reported, seems to be random.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Sims)
Subject: Re: MP3 players
Date: 15 Sep 1999 16:10:50 GMT
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:40:05 -0500, Kent Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>saken wrote:
>>
>> which mp3layer is the easiest/best 2 use? linuxberg recommended 2
>> xmms and mp3studio, are there better ones or are these good or what?
>> --saken
>
>IMHO xmms would be the way to go. Although I am not familiar with the
>other, xmms (formerly x11amp) is very much like winamp, and has support
>for esd (if you're using GNOME) or OSS sound drivers.
>
>Why not just try them both and use the one you like the most??
You might also like to take a look at freeamp (http://www.freeamp.org/).
It's got X11, ncurses, basic command line and mpg123 UIs, HTTP streaming,
infrared controller support and works with esd, OSS and ALSA. Also, it
claims to be one of the fastest MP3 players available. Oh ... and it's GPL
as well.
--
I apologize if most of what I have written is total rubbish
Anthony Sims
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From: "RecruitSource" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pre-release Linux Beta Testers
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:33:23 -0400
Reply-To: "RecruitSource" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Our company, http://www.recruitsource.com, is looking for people to
beta-test an online technical testing system,
which will soon be released to the public. Specifically, we need people of
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If you would like to partake, please reply with your First and Last name,
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There are currently over 50 exams in the RecruitSource database - if there
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please let us know.
Thanks for your help,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gareth Chichester)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can I set up /dev/floppy to be mounted by non-root?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:28:11 GMT
>From the darkness came [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss), who
offered these thoughts on Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:31:19,
> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:50:24 -0500, Kurt & Amy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Using RH6.0 and I like KDE best.
> >
> >Can I (and should I, for that matter) set permissions for /dev/floppy
> >to allow all users to mount it?
> >
> >What is the level of permissions that I should use?
> >
>
> You probably want to change /etc/fstab to achieve this. Mine is:
>
> /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy msdos noauto,user,suid 0 0
>
> This lets any 'user' mount it, and sets permissions to that user while
> it is mounted.
>
> --
> Hal B
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --
> Linux helps those who help themselves
Is it possible to configure so that only some users can mount the
floppy?
Or should I rephrase that to say, I know it is possible, but how do I
..
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From: Torleiv Flatebo Ringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:49:07 GMT
Subject: Re: MP3 Player
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,redhat.general
Check out kmp3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 9/14/99, 9:17:46 PM, "David B. Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=20
regarding Re: MP3 Player:
> The program called winamp comes with Linux 6.0. It plays MP3 files.
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From: "Steve DenBleyker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: eMachines Sound Driver
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:32:41 -0400
Does anyone know where or how I can get a sound driver for a eMachine 400i?
The integrated sound card on the motherboard is "Crystal 3d PCI Sound Chip
CS4280 with AC97 Codec". Thanks in advance.
Steve DenBleyker
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:40:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Dominico, Jr.) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <7rmg85$69r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Dominico, Jr.) wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <7rjom8$8gl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
-- snip --
> >"Intimately familiar????" Where have I ever said "intimately
familiar?"
>
> Well, this is what you said...
>
> >>"No. I maintain that
> >>understanding computers in a general sense, and specifically
> >>understanding what is going where, and why, should be a requirement.
> >>Knowing how to do a custom install, and knowing why/when you would
> >>need to do so, should also be expected. Otherwise, the bozo
>
> see, there you go name-calling just because someone isn't as
> knowledgeable as you are...
First off, you didn't answer the question, which was, "Where have I ever
said '"intimately familiar?'" No, you dredge up something completely
different in order to rehash your petty grievance, and dismiss both my
question and the fact that you put words in my mouth.
Secondly, I call the hypothetical user a "bozo" because he has no
respect for what he's doing. It has nothing to do with "someone isn't as
knowledgeable as [I am]." If he truly doesn't understand anything about
computers, and wants to remain that way, then it's misguided that he
should be installing software on one.
In any other field, this would seem obvious. But everyone wants to
differentiate computing for some mysterious reason.
-- snip --
> I don't know what exactly goes where, and why, on an Office 97
> install.
Sure you do. You know that most of the stuff goes into
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office
because the Wizard tells you so up front. And you actually know what
that means.
If you watch your progress bar, you see some stuff going into
C:\Windows\system
and you also understand what that means.
Anyone who doesn't understand what that means will run into problems
later.
> To me, that would require fairly high-level knowledge, bordering on
> that of a sysadmin.
You misunderstand. See above.
> to most end-users, that would require becoming "intimately familiar"
> with the OS and install process.
Perhaps those who *actively distance themselves from technology.* But
then, those users are probably not inclined to install software in the
first place.
-- snip --
> In most cases I am directly quoting you, and in other spots it's very
> easy to infer your opinion. Referring to people as bozos, idiots,
> etc. gives us a pretty clear idea of how you view yourself in relation
> to others.
It's very easy to infer incorrectly, I must admit. Try to understand
that I see people telling me over and over again that Windows is The
Only Way, alternatives are for Luzers, if I want a real future I Hafta
Go The Windows Way. So yeah, I get frustrated, and say things without
fully disclosing what I really mean.
A "bozo" is an end-user who "can't be bothered" to understand the DOS
directory tree, but whines when he can't find his files in the "Open
File" dialog box. A "bozo" is an end-user who says, "just fix it -- I
don't wanna know" when I try to explain what's going on, but feels
qualified to install an Office Suite on his, or someone else's system.
Or feels qualified to delete files in order to make room for another
game.
Simply put, a "bozo" is a loose cannon.
A "bozo" is someone who feels that whatever Microsoft does is the only
real way to do something, and that I should capitulate.
If an end-user decides to install Office, but asks questions, reads,
tries to approach the task with a modicum of intelligence, then no, he
is not a "bozo."
-- snip --
> I have openly embraced one of your points, but you refuse to even
> REALLY listen to mine. why can't you just admit TMTOWTDI (There's
> More Than One Way To Do It, for those not familiar with the Perl
> Motto) and be done with it?
I admit that there's more than one way to do it. Thanks for embracing my
points. For the record, I agree that computers *should* be truly easy to
use, but don't think that the Redmond Approach is really the best way to
get there from here. I think an enlightment attitude among end-users
would go a lot farther than wizards and more complicated bloatware.
At least for now. Once software regains a reputation for being reliable,
then it can take over.
> I would expect a Linux advocate to embrace these words more than
> anyone.
FWIW, I am not a Linux Advocate. I don't even use Linux. I use OS/2 more
than anything else, but use Windows more and more because I have little
choice.
-- [snip] --
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