Linux-Misc Digest #770, Volume #23 Mon, 6 Mar 00 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Tar useless for backups? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Salary? (Tim Hockin)
Re: Kernel Compiling-modules (Frederic L. W. Meunier)
System Administrator school(s) ? ("OOrkis")
Re: The need for covergence (John Girash)
hda:status timeout ERROR ("DPTO.COMERCIAL")
no preinstalled windows? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help! can't install XFree86 (Andrew Purugganan)
Linux crash...solved, sort of (Eric Y. Chang)
Re: corel Linux does it have plug & play (brian moore)
New Book: Big Book of World Wide Web RFCs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: viewer for postscript files (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Linux crash...solved, sort of (Glitch)
Re: Red Hat Installation: How to get past the "Which driver" screen when you have
PCMCIA ethernet (Kenny McCormack)
Re: no preinstalled windows? (Glitch)
Re: crazy fdisk output (Glitch)
apache question (rezuan)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Tar useless for backups?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:00:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MH wrote:
>Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>>
>> Were any of these files symbolic links to other directories (outside of
>> the scope of the tar backup)? By *default* tar backs up the link, but
>> not the file the link points to. Add the '-h' option to make tar
>> 'chase' symlinks.
>>
>> *I've* never had problems with tar backups.
>>
>> Also, *exactly* what did you give tar as arguments? Note that:
>>
>> tar czvf /backups/me.tar.gz -C ~/ .
>>
>> is *different* from
>>
>> tar czvf /backups/me.tar.gz -C ~/ *
>>
>> The former collects all of the files in your home directory, including
>> the 'hidden' files and directories. The second only backs up the
>> non-hidden files and directories.
>>
>> Also, the tar file will be different if you use a command like
>>
>> tar czvf /backups/me.tar.gz -C ~/ .
>>
>> vs.
>>
>> tar czvf /backups/me.tar.gz ~/
>>
>> although the actual contents will be effectively the same. I'll leave
>> it as an exercise to figure out just what is different -- should be
>> obvious after a couple of minutes thought.
>>
>
>Following is a copy of the email discussion I've been having with Mr.
>Tenant. It was not posted because his original comments were emailed to
>me and WERE NOT posted to the ng.
>
>________________________________________
>
>Bob Tennent wrote:
>
>MH wrote:
>> > tar -cf /drive2/whatever.tar /home/me/
>> > tar -tf /drive2/whatever.tar | less
>> >
>> > The contents of the latter DO NOT MATCH /home/me/
>> > Does that help?
>> >
>> I suggest you add the v (verbose) option so you can track the files
>> as they are processed. If you want to preserve permissions, add the p
>> option. That said, it's not clear to me why you're losing files.
>> Perhaps you've got symbolic links. By default, tar doesn't follow
>> symlinks because of the risk of loops. Check the output
>> carefully and try to isolate what *kind* of file is not being archived.
>> Are you doing these operations as root?
>>
>> Bob T.
>
>Using verbose simply displays directories/files as they are being
>processed. When I use the -W switch to verify, literally HUNDREDS of
>directories/files are listed as "does not exist". File types include:
>directories, .exe, .hlp, .cfg, .jpg, .bat, .mdb, .doc, .txt, etc. You
>get the idea.
>
>When I do a list (-t switch), MOST of the directories/files displayed as
>"does not exist" using the -W switch DO IN FACT EXIST--but NOT ALL. I
>estimate about 1 in 15 is ACTUALLY excluded from the tar file. Tar is
>executed as root. All files have appropriate permissions, e.g.
>-rw-r--r-- I'm running RH 6.0, nothing special. Sytem behaves normally
>in every other way.
>
>Server is P333/128 RAM/IBM 9.1 GB SCSI/Adaptec 2940UW. Previously
>running NT 4.0 in RAID 1 configuration for nearly a year with no known
>problems. Am not currently running RAID.
Since as root no problems to expect and did you try *not* to write
to a tape but to a, say, file in /tmp ? Just to exclude any I/O
related problems.
One, well, perhaps silly question .. you are not trying to read
from a different archive on the tape while appending a second one ?
Since I've been using tar for quite some years and that included
some full restores due to .. aehm .. fiddling around gone wrong .. I'd
really exclude tar.
Which version BTW too ?
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 23:53:02 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc 5X3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> hey P00k :) good to see you again :)
: I hear california sucks ass, any comments? :P
you hear wrong :) I'm surrounded by folks who teach me stuff without ever
knowing they're in the professor business. I love it here.
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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel Compiling-modules
Date: 7 Mar 2000 00:05:11 GMT
You should get the latest pcmcia-cs from http://pcmcia.sourceforge.org/
and follow the instructions. But your old module should work if you
compile the kernel with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y, say set version information
on all symbols for modules. Since you're using SuSE, do an rpm -ql
pcmcia-cs to see the list of files that were installed by this package.
And no, you can do make zImage/bzImage before or after make modules/
modules_install.
Note that I have never used pcmcia-cs, so I may be totally wrong.
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From: "OOrkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System Administrator school(s) ?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:12:05 -0500
Can someone please recomend a good school(s) in NYC area to learn Unix and
System Administration ? Thanks !
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The need for covergence
Date: 6 Mar 2000 19:11:08 -0500
Andre-John Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: To avoid this problem I believe that once a year the Linux community
: needs to identify the elements that are forking into incompatibility
: and bring them together to make them work on any Linux distribution.
: One of those things that needs addressing, IMHO, is the installer. We
: need to come up with an installer that anyone can use and if possible
: it should be X based.
Hmm, it seems to me that if you take those two paragraphs independently,
then both are (being) satisfied: there is/are the Standards Project(s)
that are attempting to set some ground rules on the things that get in
the way of intra-compatibility (e.g. filesystem layouts). And some/many
of the distros have made great strides with their GUI installers.
However, if you take the two paragraphs together as implying we need one
standard, "foolproof", GUI installer across all distros, then I have to
disagree strongly. The installation UI is not something that's critical
for cross-distro compatibility, and what one person finds "easy" another
can (and does) find horribly frustrating in its lack of flexibility.
The installer is exactly the sort of thing for which variability across
distros is a good and useful thing, and is a good portion of the reason
why it's beneficial to have multiple distros in the first place.
cheers
jg
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From: "DPTO.COMERCIAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hda:status timeout ERROR
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:09:26 +0100
Hi,
Sometimes I get this error:
hda:status timeout:status=0xd0 (busy)
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE ide0:reset success
This message show me in background and I dont work fine whith my
programs.
Please help me
NACHO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: no preinstalled windows?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:20:34 GMT
Which [bigger] reseller sells desktop PCs without Windows on it?
www.dell.com
www.gateway.com
www.micronpc.com
www.e4me.com
have all Windows preinstalled, and I sometimes I don't want to
promote buying something I don't use.
Regards,
T
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Help! can't install XFree86
Date: 6 Mar 2000 22:36:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: "You appear to have an a.out system.
: a.out binaries are not available for this release".
: What does this mean? I have Debian Linux base install in my Notebook.
How old is your Debian? What release is it? You're installing something
NEW over something old, is what it seems like.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Y. Chang)
Subject: Linux crash...solved, sort of
Date: 7 Mar 2000 00:54:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi. If anybody sees this happen, this is a possible cause.
I recently helped someone install Linux on a Cyrix 586
machine. Turbo Linux 6.1 with Netscape 4.6.1. The machine
has 32MB of memory. After startx was typed, the hard disk
started grinding and never stopped. Alt-Ctrl-Backspace
did not work, and neither did Alt-Ctrl-Delete. The machine
was so busy, it could not do anything. BSOD. It was
necessary to power cycle the machine to get it running again.
Parenthetically, this should not happen with Linux. It did
happen quite regularly with SunOS. But Solaris and aix are
immune to this problem (Solaris falls to other problems).
The kernel should schedule enough time to kill the offending
job.
Anyway, after the machine was rebooted, and fsck fixed the
filesystem damage, it was found that the machine had no swap.
There was a 64 MB swap partition, but it was not enabled.
swapon -a did not work. Since it was run in the rc bootup,
this made sense. It turned out that there was no line in
/etc/fstab. This problem is new. It does not occur in
RedHat 5.1. The "netscape" test passes on a 486 DX33 with
16 MB of RAM.
Add the /etc/fstab line, and everything will be OK.
By the way, except for the filesystem damage, this only took
me 30 seconds to figure out, but how long would it take a
newbie???????
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: corel Linux does it have plug & play
Date: 7 Mar 2000 00:59:50 GMT
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:14:24 -0500,
Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I want to get rid of windows and run corel linux. But my IT person at my
> > work suggested that I not do this. One is because I am not a progrmer and
> > don't understand the language. And another reason it doesn't have plug and
> > play capabilities. Is this true? Thanks
> >
>
> No and no. But there is a learning curve. Don't be surprised if you get
> frustrated. I've known people to do this. I did once. But only once. But it
> was not fun. But in the end, I bounced back, and I love it! Maybe someone
> else could give you some advice on choice of distribution though -- I haven't
> heard great things about Corel Linux. I have, however, heard great things about
> Mandrake 7. I haven't tried either, but I'm getting a Mandrake 7 CD in a week
> or so, if you can wait that long for my advice... :-)
Well, if you haven't heard great things about Corel you haven't been
listening. :)
Basically, it's Debian slink with various updates (like a newer X
server), KDE, a file manager written by Corel, and the simplest
installer around. (It sniffs out most modern PCI or AGP cards... it
will probably miss most ISA things, but ISA is icky anyway.)
Because it's based on slink, adding packages from 'real' slink consists
of uncommenting a couple lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to let it see
the regular debian archives, and converting it to potato should be easy
once potato calms down and is released.
In short, Corel took the good things of Debian (damned fine packaging
and general technical excellence) and added what most of the Debian
maintainers have no interest in doing (making a pretty installer is the
only real crossover point -- Debian doesn't sell cd's, doesn't publish
books and doesn't put it all in a box with a manual..) but that Corel
can do well.
It's an interesting blend, and Corel seems very upfront about using
Debian as their base and their commitment to open source (there was just
a huge infusion of Corel-written code into WINE last week, since Corel's
using libwine to port their applications now, getting it working is a
high priority for them :)).
In general, it's Debian for Newbies. :)
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Crossposted-To:
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Subject: New Book: Big Book of World Wide Web RFCs
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:07:33 GMT
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: viewer for postscript files
Date: 06 Mar 2000 15:31:00 -0900
Stefan Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hallo,
>I use the latest version of gv as viewer for postscript files. When I
>want to jump to a special page I always walk thru the whole document
>side by side (Page ==> Next). So my question is if there exists
>something like "go five pages forward" in gv or if there is probably a
>better viewer making a walk thru a document more comfortable?
See the list of page numbers over on the left side of the window?
Put the cursor on whichever page you want to see, and click the
left mouse button...
Floyd
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:41:54 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux crash...solved, sort of
You are missing an important point here.
What if something similar in difficulty happened to a Windows user?
Do you think there would be a similar problem with the user not knowing
enough to fix the problem, whatever it may be?
The thing about Windows is that if a problem occurs the user can
remain ignorant and just take the system to a shop or have a relative or
a friend fix it.
The same can not happen with Linux because there aren't that many, if
any at all, shops to take a linux computer to and I doubt the person
would know a friend (although in this case, yours, the person did know
you) to help fix the problem.
So the only reason that causes you to bring this up for Linux and not
both Linux and Windows is that Windows users just take the PC to a shop
to have it fixed instead of actually trying to learn something and fix
it themselves. At least with Linux you can learn from the disadvantange
of not having a shop to take the computer to so its not a total loss.
"Eric Y. Chang" wrote:
>
> Hi. If anybody sees this happen, this is a possible cause.
>
> I recently helped someone install Linux on a Cyrix 586
> machine. Turbo Linux 6.1 with Netscape 4.6.1. The machine
> has 32MB of memory. After startx was typed, the hard disk
> started grinding and never stopped. Alt-Ctrl-Backspace
> did not work, and neither did Alt-Ctrl-Delete. The machine
> was so busy, it could not do anything. BSOD. It was
> necessary to power cycle the machine to get it running again.
> Parenthetically, this should not happen with Linux. It did
> happen quite regularly with SunOS. But Solaris and aix are
> immune to this problem (Solaris falls to other problems).
> The kernel should schedule enough time to kill the offending
> job.
>
> Anyway, after the machine was rebooted, and fsck fixed the
> filesystem damage, it was found that the machine had no swap.
> There was a 64 MB swap partition, but it was not enabled.
> swapon -a did not work. Since it was run in the rc bootup,
> this made sense. It turned out that there was no line in
> /etc/fstab. This problem is new. It does not occur in
> RedHat 5.1. The "netscape" test passes on a 486 DX33 with
> 16 MB of RAM.
>
> Add the /etc/fstab line, and everything will be OK.
>
> By the way, except for the filesystem damage, this only took
> me 30 seconds to figure out, but how long would it take a
> newbie???????
>
> Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Red Hat Installation: How to get past the "Which driver" screen when you
have PCMCIA ethernet
Date: 6 Mar 2000 19:20:51 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8a1f4k$95t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sam E. Trenholme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Is there any way to do this? If not, what is the workaround? How to setup
>>the networking later on, after the install?
>
>Hmmm, I thought one of the first things the RedHat install program asked
>for was if you had any PCMCIA cards.
It does - but it very clearly states that you don't need this unless you
need PCMCIA working for the install (i.e., you are doing the install "over
the net"). It says you don't have to do it if you are installing from a
local CD ROM (as I am, in fact, doing).
>My solution is a little involved.
Right - As is the case with many such things, I have done this in the past
and I'm able to kludge it out one way or the other (I know how to set the
networking up by hand with ifconfig and route). The question is: How to do
it the "right way", i.e., within the context of the install script.
My problem is that I can't quite remember how I did it the last time.
(The obvious answer is: Say "No" to networking in the install program and
then do it all after the fact - but the problem with that is that you are
saying goodbye to all the built-in config stuff - since the built-in config
tools will never know what you have done)
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:43:07 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: no preinstalled windows?
why not check out their websites and find out for yourself? Since you
only list a few it shouldn't take too long to find out which, if any, of
them sell PCs w/o Winblows.
brandon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Which [bigger] reseller sells desktop PCs without Windows on it?
>
> www.dell.com
> www.gateway.com
> www.micronpc.com
> www.e4me.com
> have all Windows preinstalled, and I sometimes I don't want to
> promote buying something I don't use.
>
> Regards,
> T
>
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:46:55 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: crazy fdisk output
Nico Beuermann wrote:
> =
> Sam E. Trenholme wrote:
> > >although my system=B4s running on /dev/hda:
> > >( rdev: /dev/hda1 / ) "fdisk -l" shows a horrible partition table. I=
think
> > >that comes from the wrong geometry data. My HD has 15 heads, 63 sect=
ors with
> > >a size of 6.1Megs or so.
> > >
> > >Is there anybody who can explain how to fix this problem without loo=
sing any
> > >data?
> >
[snip]
> =
> It=B4s fdisk v2.9t and the HD is made by yast 1.01 (Suse Distribution 6=
=2E2).
> The thing i=B4m concerned about is that i=B4ve created the partitions w=
ith linux=B4
> fdisk.
> =
First, the HD isn't *made* by YaST 1.01. The HD is made by the
manufacturer and the partition table is setup by fdisk. The only way to
'fix' it is to back up your data and use a newer version of fdisk or a
differnet program altogether to change the part. tables. I put 'fix' in
quotes b/c nothing really may be wrong since your system is running and
fdisk may just be reporting the info wrong when the HD may be just fine
in reality.
Brandon
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From: rezuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apache question
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:30:03 GMT
hi there !
i've just installed red hat 6.0 on my pcand configure it to be networked.
i know that i got apache running on it coz' if i go to other pc on the
network and i entered my pc's ip address it will display apache's web page
saying that i have succesfully installed the apache and i can change the
page ( but i don't know how-i don't even know hw to begin). my questions
are
how do i design my own web page so that it can be displayed on apache and
what are commands or scripts used to put the webpage running on the apache?
(is there any software that i can used to design a web page (eg. in windows
we can use ms front page to design a web page right ?)) can i rename my web
page.
thank you
reah\gards
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