Linux-Misc Digest #780, Volume #23 Tue, 7 Mar 00 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Help: Free JDBC Driver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: closing browser window crashes netscape?!? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: closing browser window crashes netscape?!? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Tar useless for backups? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Disallow multiple logins from one user (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Creative Geforce card and KDE ("Richard J. Donovan")
Re: Compare Win 2000 to Linux Red Hat 6.1 in temperature (Mickey Stein)
Re: Salary? (JCA)
Re: Tyan S1837UANG Thunderbolt (John Hasler)
Re: Compare Win 2000 to Linux Red Hat 6.1 in temperature (Steve Lamb)
Re: How to add new hardware in Linux? (Eric Y. Chang)
Re: How to create a persistent port listener from a shell account (David Mertz)
Re: Salary? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
shutdown as another user than root? (Mathieu FRANCOIS)
KDE ("Greg J. Zartman")
Re: shutdown as another user than root? (Gerald Willmann)
Re: Salary? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help: Free JDBC Driver
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:02:55 GMT
Does anybody know where I could download a free jdbc driver for oracle
and/or mssql server for free. I'm using jdk1.2.2.
Thanks,
Leo
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: closing browser window crashes netscape?!?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:33:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, thomas park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm having this very strange problem with Netscape - closing a browser
> window will randomly cause Netscape to crash (exits all open Netscape
> windows, including browser, messenger, etc.) This doesn't happen
> consistently, perhaps about 30% of the time that I close a window.
>
> Does anybody know of a fix for this? I'm using Mandrake Linux 7.0, with
> XF86/Mach 64 3.3.6, WindowMaker 0.61.1 (from source), and Netscape 4.7.
> Thanks for your reply -
>
> thomas
I had the same problem with 4.7 but I upgraded to 4.72 and it hasn't
happened again yet (fingers crossed).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: closing browser window crashes netscape?!?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:34:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, thomas park wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm having this very strange problem with Netscape - closing a browser
>window will randomly cause Netscape to crash (exits all open Netscape
>windows, including browser, messenger, etc.) This doesn't happen
>consistently, perhaps about 30% of the time that I close a window.
So do not close the browsers' window ... esp. not while using NS to
download something 8|
>Does anybody know of a fix for this? I'm using Mandrake Linux 7.0, with
>XF86/Mach 64 3.3.6, WindowMaker 0.61.1 (from source), and Netscape 4.7.
I've had this sometimes with 4.7 but 4.72 has been fine so far.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Tar useless for backups?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:34:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Peterson
wrote:
>In article <89uk61$g5k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Recently, I attempted to restore a specific file from a tar file backup
>>>of my home directory. Tar informed me the file did not exist. Sure
>>>enough, when I generated a list the file was not displayed. I noticed
>>>other files were missing as well.
>>>
>>>I deleted the original tar file and recreated it with the verify switch
>>>(-W). To my amazement, tar listed HUNDREDS of files as "does not
>>>exist". Even more amazing, most of the files listed as missing DID IN
>>>FACT EXIST in the tar file, though about a third were actually missing.
>>>I did not receive any error messages.
>>>
>>>What the hell is going on here?
>>
>>Although the reasons are varied and complex, I agree with you that tar is
>>not a good mechanism for backups. One problem that I have definitely
>>experienced is tar failing to restore file permissions correctly.
>>
>>I have had much better luck with cpio and I use cpio for everything
>
>Can I use cpio to transfer a file tree from one disk to another; for
>example, from /dev/sdb5 to /dev/sda4 ? If the answer is yes, do you have
>an example usage?
Yes, sure ...
let's say /dev/sdb5 is /up/down
/dev/sda4 is /strange/charm
... then ...
cd /up/down
find . -mount | cpio -pd /strange/charm
... as root is going to do the job quite nicely.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Disallow multiple logins from one user
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:34:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, G. wrote:
>
>My question is how to disallow multiple login from one user.. In other
>words, I'm root on my linuxbox, and how should I do to reject other login
>from root ... (or other users..) And this with ssh, telnet, and of course
>console ..
See man 5 porttime to start with, although this is more a hint regarding
an interesting file .. if available, that is. Since all those remote
logings are going to require some arbitrary pseudo tty more work ahead.
Off the cuff ... /etc/profile ... evaluate $LOGNAME to take care of
multiple logins, trapping all relevant signals there, or something
like utmpd, which comes with newer glibc versions, to watch, well,
utmp.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: "Richard J. Donovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Creative Geforce card and KDE
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:43:22 GMT
Mandrake 7.0 contains a new version of xf86 -- 3.3.6 or whatever, excuse me for
not looking it up, and for having taken that easy way out -- which works with
my GeForce.
Martin wrote:
> I have recently installed a Creative Geforce graphics card. When trying to
> start xwindows I get an error message that keeps flashing up as the monitor
> is trying to synch. I have tried reconfiguring xf86config, but still cant
> get xwindows going.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Martin
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From: Mickey Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,tw.bbs.comp.hardware
Subject: Re: Compare Win 2000 to Linux Red Hat 6.1 in temperature
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:43:05 -0800
With Linux, you can recompile the kernel and set one of the zillions of options
(issue HLT inst?) to issue HLT during the null process. With NT? You can't
really do much of anything since it's not exactly open, but you might be able to
use APM to get some HLT instructions going. I've only used the beta win 2k for a
work evaluation for someone so I don't really know what the win 2k possibilities
are. Also: An idle processor in win 2k may well just mean (probably does mean)
that it's in a low priority hard loop, where it may or may not do anything
useful, but it may just be a loop and if it's not issuing a HLT , then it's
going to run a bit hotter than Linux with HLT's.
Geez..<g> -- I think I just said exactly the same thing as Tim but made it
impossible to understand..
Tim Jackson wrote:
> It used to be that Linux ran cooler (and also resulted in longer
> battery life fore mobiles) because Linux would issue HALT instructions
> to the CPU when it was idle, whereas MS products (I believe DOS) did
> not. I had assumed that once the DOS legacy had been left behind,
> MS would have gotten more power concious, but perhaps they have not.
>
> Tim.
>
> In article <8a3kfp$mdn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> WInston Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi! Folks:
> >I fell it's strange when I run win2000, that make my case so hot; but it
> >does not happen to Linux. So I try to detect the temperatures, and the
> >result is really unbelievable. I really don't understand, why win2000 make
> >the CPU and system so hot. Just like microsoft said win2000 is "hot" in
> >the market.
> >===============================================
> >Temperature test.
> >Compare Win 2000 to Linux Red Hat 6.1
> >CPU temp.
> > CPU0 CPU1 System
> >Win2K 56 63 63 [�C]
> >Linux 39 42 48 [�C]
> >From task manager, Win2K is in idle, Linux is working very hard, over 30%
> >===========================================
> >Main Hardware configure
> >Abit BP6
> >Dual celeron (366MHz, overclock to 517MHz)
> >PC 133 128M
> >Run at 517MHz (94x5.5)
> >SCSI 9.1 G Hard drive
> >
> >
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From: JCA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:46:56 -0800
I would hesitate when it comes to measuring the relative technical savvy
of places like MIT and INRIA; I wouldn't really know how to begin to do
it. The fact that some good software is produced by some companies in
Europe doesn't change my basic premise, since in a large enough population
you will always have exceptional individuals.
In my opinion, it's still the case that the top-notch software produced by
private companies is, by and large, that developed in the US of A, not Europe,
Japan or elsewhere. And changes for the better in Europe are not in the horizon,
for all I know.
Eric LEMAITRE wrote:
> You're wrong whan you conclude immediatly that the consequence means an
> immediate technical suppremacy of US produces, and that any good European
> software is developed by universities, not by private companies. In france we
> have many private companies which are famous worldwide such as Business
> Objects, GemPlus, Cap-Gemini, ... and their programmers are very qualified too,
> but the awful trouble for us Europeans is the lack of strategical efforts at
> government level. Most of all have left France mainland for abroad where taxes
> are much lower. There is a business war raging on using new technologies, and
> in Europe we have no headquarters, every single company fights alone for
> herself, while in USA whole country is involved in technical worldwide
> standards domination. We have among finest worldwide scientifics at INRIA in
> France on the pure technical field, perhaps better than at MIT itself although
> MIT people are allready excellent too, but what use of any good technical
> knowledge if we can't use it for making business ? Clearly none for us, this is
> where we are clearly inferior. USA is often less (not much) advanced on
> technological field, but it clearly smashes us in the business field.
> USA are much better than others for they are much more efficient for using
> their skills into making money, not for technical supremacy, but in overall you
> are right, the result will be the same : more and more taxes will make our best
> people flee to USA or elswhere for getting better life and salary, this can't
> be avoided for us.
> In California, first most important community in number are Chinese, second are
> ... French, allmost all involved in computing. Awfull waste, but politically
> planified so whe could leave but not fight against it.
>
> Bye !
>
> --
> Eric LEMAITRE
> Ing�nieur CNAM (CNAM Computer Engineer, MSD)
> Ing�nieur et Formateur certifi� Linux Red-Hat (RHCE & RHCX Certified)
> Responsable de formation pour les fili�res Internet et Linux (Head of
> Internet/Linux Education Department)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Tyan S1837UANG Thunderbolt
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:57:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Has anyone tried to implement a Linux server class machine on this
> motherboard?
> Im wondering about the on-board Dual processor, on-board dual LVD-SCSI,
> and on-board ethernet.
> I have never tried to use any of these features previously. Are the
> current Linux distributions capable of handling and configuring these
> on-bard devices and the multiple processors?
> Thanks for any feedback.
I'm using one right now, with two PIII-500's, 384MB of RAM, and an IBM 10k
RPM LVD-SCSI drive. I have Debian potato installed with a 2.2.14 kernel.
Everything works fine, including the sound and ethernet. It compiles a
kernel in under five minutes with 'make -j'. It remains responsive while
doing so, despite a load factor of 18 and 250MB of memory in use.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,tw.bbs.comp.hardware
Subject: Re: Compare Win 2000 to Linux Red Hat 6.1 in temperature
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:55:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mickey Stein) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Geez..<g> -- I think I just said exactly the same thing as Tim but
>made it impossible to understand..
Yes and no. I understood it. Of course, I'm not the typical layperson,
either. :/
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ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Y. Chang)
Subject: Re: How to add new hardware in Linux?
Date: 7 Mar 2000 22:07:13 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I tried installing TurboLinux 6.1. There is a Plug and Play configuration
screen. It ran successfully for my D-Link DE-528 Plug and Play network
interface card. But, at boot time, it gave that infamous "SIOCCADRT"
network not found message. So, although it ran successfully, it did
not install the network card.
Eric
Robert Heller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Per Inge Oestmoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: In a message on Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:13:31 +0100, wrote :
: PIO> Hello,
: PIO>
: PIO> As a newcomer to Linux, there is a question that seems less obvious than
: PIO> it should be:
: PIO>
: PIO> When one buys a Linux distribution, often you have hardware which is not
: PIO> supported by the material found in the present package. That is cool; I
: PIO> know that the support is under way.
: PIO>
: PIO> However, there the problem arises: In the absence of a Windows-style
: PIO> driver model, how is support for new hardware in Linux added?
: PIO>
: PIO> A case in point is my own SCSI card, scanner and graphics card. Neither
: PIO> of these pieces of equipment have have support in my present SuSE 6.3,
: PIO> but if and when it comes, there must be a procedure for adding it to
: PIO> one's Linux installation. The same is of course true for all new
: PIO> hardware any Linux user might buy.
: PIO>
: PIO> Then the question arises: How do we a) find and b) install the necessary
: PIO> additions that will allow the use of new hardware? Understandably, some
: PIO> form for upgrade must happen, but how is this accomplished? I take for
: PIO> granted that one does not have to buy/download a new distribution after
: PIO> each time a new piece of hardware is added, but what exactly are the
: PIO> procedures for adding it?
: There are a couple of different ways these things are handled. Linux
: has a somewhat *different* definition of 'device driver' from
: MS-Windows.
: For example, there is no such thing (in the MS-Windows sense) as a
: video card driver or printer driver or (in some cases) scanner driver.
: Video cards are supported by an 'X Server' program (see
: <http://www.xfree86.org/>). This is just a regular program. You
: download it and install it in /usr/X11R6/bin/ and run one of the X11
: config utilities, which will make a symlink to it named 'X', which will
: get fired up by the startx program.
: Printers are handled with a filter, usually ghostscript. Ghostscript
: comes built to support a whole slew of printers and can be
: re-configured and re-built to support the more obscure printer types.
: Scanners are handled with patched versions of xv or GIMP plugins or
: special stand-alone programs. Scanners either live off the parallel
: port (the patched xv, GIMP plugin, or special stand-alone program, does
: I/O to /dev/lp?, using the parport kernel driver) or SCSI (the patched
: xv, GIMP plugin, or special stand-alone program, does I/O to /dev/sg?
: device, using the generic SCSI device support in the kernel).
: SCSI cards use a real live driver module. This is built as a kernel
: driver module, generally by compiling against stuff under
: /usr/src/linux/... and creating a .o file, which gets dropped in
: /lib/modules/<kernel version>/scsi/. /etc/conf.modules gets edited,
: usually with the kernelcfg program to add a mapping from
: 'scsi_hostadapter' to the name of the .o file. This .o file might also
: be available pre-compiled for your kernel as a download-able file -- you
: download it and drop it into /lib/modules/<kernel version>/scsi/ and
: run kernelcfg to set things up.
: Ethernet cards are like SCSI cards and also use a real live driver
: module. Everything is just like for SCSI cards, except the driver goes
: in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/net/. Sound cards are similar -- their
: drivers go in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/misc/.
: All of this can be done to an installed system (so long as the driver
: modules are either built against the installed kernel, either by you
: from sources or pre-built). Similarly for the various non-kernel mode
: stuff -- X servers (video cards), ghostscript (printers),
: xv/GIMP/whatever (scanners) -- these are all non-kernel programs --
: you'll either download source code + patches, apply patches, re-compile,
: and install OR you will get a properly built versions (for RedHat as
: .i386.rpm files) which you would install, using the proper install tools
: (eg rpm), which should check for compatibility issues (dependencies).
: PIO>
: PIO> --
: PIO> Per Inge Oestmoen
: PIO> http://home.powertech.no/pioe/
: PIO>
:
:
: --
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:10:18 -0500
From: David Mertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to create a persistent port listener from a shell account
thomas park wrote:
> Security-wise, this setup sounds a little dangerous. You may want to
> write a wrapper program for the Python script to prevent it from being
> exploited by a system cracker.
What security issues do you think are likely here? The PAOS Server does
not allow execution of arbitrary python code, but only requests in a
specific query form. I suppose there is always the general dangers
associated with any server (buffer-overrun exploits, and things like
that, or maybe some flaw in PAOS to smuggle in instructions). But it is
not clear to me what real danger the Server creates beyond any issues
associated with CGI. Of course, I might be missing something.
Of course, as described, my *data* is not very secure. Most anyone can
query it, or even modify it, just by using their own request client that
conforms with PAOS (which is free software). I do know about that
issue, and will certainly have to deal with this issue before this is a
production use.
> Functionality-wise, have you tried running the program from cron? (man
> cron, man crontab). I'd be surprised if the process needed to be
> attached to a terminal to function.
I had thought about cron. The listner/server certainly has no need to
be attached to a terminal to work. The thing is that what I really want
is to be able to start and stop the process at my own discretion, as
opposed to on some specific schedule. I may be misunderstanding cron
(which I don't know well), but I don't *think* it can directly do: "make
sure this thing is running all the time, unless I decide I want to stop
it for a while". For example, if my hosts need to take down thier site
for a while, my cron job would presumably not restart until the time of
day/week/whatever that it was scheduled for (and not necessarily as soon
as the system was back up).
But probably cron can be made to come close enough to what I want, if
combined with a little wrapper process that checks whether my Server.py
is already running, then launches it if not.
Thanks...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Salary?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:11:37 +0000
And verily, didst The Ghost In The Machine hastily scribble thusly:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:31:57 +0000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>And verily, didst Desmond Coughlan hastily scribble thusly:
>>> I think it's a myth that wages are higher in the United States, at least
>>> when the high cost of living is taken into account.
>>
>>What high cost of living?
>>Food's cheap. Petrol's cheap. PHone calls are cheap?
>>You don't have a HIGH cost of living.
> You haven't been seeing the price of gas rise lately,
> have you, then? :-)
I doubt it beats ours yet. 79p/Litre (Thats almost 3 POUNDS per gallon, $4.50
ish).
> Around here, it's hovering around $1.60 a gallon, and that's
> for the ultra-cheapie stuff. I don't know how many pounds
> per liter that is offhand, though.
So we have to pay about 3 times as much then.
> (Of course, living in the San Francisco Bay Area / Silicon Valley
> might have something to do with that...)
79p is from a CHEAP area!
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From: Mathieu FRANCOIS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: shutdown as another user than root?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:29:51 +0000
i everyone!
At home, I have a PC under linux, connected to internet (by ADSL) and
running IP Masquerading.... (and it's very cool ;-)
It would be practical if my roomie could shutdown this computer too,
without
logging root, but logging as another user (adsl for example, with
restricted rights).
So Here is my question :
---> Can another user than root shutdown a computer?
- the option -a with the /etc/shutdown.allow file does'nt seem to be
what I am looking for...
- the file /sbin/shutdown seems to 'internally' check the user launching
the command...because changing the rights and the user of the file does
not change anything.
Could you help me?
thanks by advance :-)
Mathieu FRANCOIS (FRANCE)
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From: "Greg J. Zartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:39:45 -0800
Hello,
I haven't spent a great deal of time with KDE, so this may be a dumb
questions.
Is it possible to configure KDE so that it doesn't function like a web page
(i.e., "single click")?
Thank you.
Greg J. Zartman, P.E.
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shutdown as another user than root?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:34:25 -0800
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Mathieu FRANCOIS wrote:
> At home, I have a PC under linux, connected to internet (by ADSL) and
> running IP Masquerading.... (and it's very cool ;-)
> It would be practical if my roomie could shutdown this computer too,
> without
> logging root, but logging as another user (adsl for example, with
> restricted rights).
> So Here is my question :
> ---> Can another user than root shutdown a computer?
> - the option -a with the /etc/shutdown.allow file does'nt seem to be
> what I am looking for...
> - the file /sbin/shutdown seems to 'internally' check the user launching
> the command...because changing the rights and the user of the file does
> not change anything.
> Could you help me?
Mathieu: you could make shutdown group executable by a group which
includes your roomate. But unless you catch it inittab CTRL-ALT-DELETE
should aready do what you want. Btw, is ADSL available in France??
Gerald
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:34:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
thomas park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those figures sound a little high to me - in the New England area, a
> typical sysadmin with 4 years experience would probably gross $40 -
50K
> (USD). And the cost of living here is, as I understand it, higher
than
> in the south (I don't know about Atlanta).
>
> There's a site, http://www.computerjobs.com that lists job openings -
I
> believe they also have salary surveys that seem reasonable and are
> localized for several parts of the US.
>
> thomas
I'm quoting the numbers given by Matrix (the best consulting firm in
town) as of August 1999 and published in the Atlanta Journal and
Constitution. These are their salaries for permanent placement of
people to jobs. Now, they are a good consulting firm, but right now
there is a run of e-business in town and the demand for people with
Solaris experience is incredible. And it's distinctly Solaris oriented,
as the quoted Solaris full time salaries (as opposed, to say, AIX
salaries) is often a $20,000 premium over other Unix flavors. I recall
one ad asking for AIX admins, 70,000 maximum, and Solaris admins,
96,000 maximum.
I understand Atlanta is a hot market, but "bob" is in Southern
California. I see nothing wrong with him asking for 60k given the
cost of living there. All his employers can say is "no".
>
> > Last time anyone published any figures in Atlanta, the going rates
for a
> > sysadmin were:
> >
> > Salary Considered
> > 58,000 Low
> > 72,000 Medium
> > 80,000 High (don't recall the exact high end fig)
> >
> > Now that's a little distorted by the local run on Solaris admins.
Good
> > Sun admins command a premium in the local market.
> >
> > Considering the difference in cost of living between Southern
California
> > and Atlanta, asking for 60k seems very reasonable. You *have* 4
years
> > experience, which is a fair amount of it. Ask for your rate.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
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