Linux-Misc Digest #780, Volume #24 Sun, 11 Jun 00 20:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Printing through tcp/ip to Xerox 4517 (Mark Bratcher)
Re: how to import outlook mail into netscape mail? (Mark Bratcher)
Re: vote on MS split-up (Mark Bratcher)
formating a hard disk? (madhero)
Re: Efficient compression of hard disk partition images ? (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Re: linux downloads on dos diskettes (Bob Martin)
Re: vote on MS split-up (David Steuber)
Re: Mandrake 7.0 & KDE (Robie Basak)
Re: ISO image (Robie Basak)
Re: Boot Messages - Would like to capture (Robie Basak)
Making the Jump (Harry V)
Re: formating a hard disk? ("David ..")
FTP Script? ("Gerald R. Jensen")
Re: KPPP problem (kamborg)
Re: Efficient compression of hard disk partition images ? (Robert Heller)
Help - Questions... ("Kent A. Signorini")
Re: Efficient compression of hard disk partition images ? (Dances With Crows)
Re: formating a hard disk? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Making the Jump (Dances With Crows)
Re: formating a hard disk? (Kari Pahula)
Re: Slow Mouse under X (PoD)
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing through tcp/ip to Xerox 4517
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:08:56 -0400
Lars-G�ran Andersson wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have a XEROX DocuPrint 4517 printer which is connected to my linux box
> through the network.
> I just want to know what to do to get it to work.
>
> I've used xpadmin to set up the queue and selected tcp/ip and gave it a
> hostname that I also added in the hosts-file. But there is no way to
> select an ip-port. I don't know if that should be necessary in this
> case.
>
> The printer works fine with windows and tcp/ip but in windows I need to
> specify a port named "PASSTHRU'"
1) You didn't mention what emulation the printer is running. The 4517
does PCL/5 or PostScript if you purchased the latter option.
2) In your /etc/printcap file, set the printer up using rm and rp
commands. 'rm' would be the IP address of the printer, and 'rp' would be
PASSTHRU (which is the lpr queue name).
3) Depending upon the answer to #1, set up the appropriate filter.
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to import outlook mail into netscape mail?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:14:51 -0400
Robie Basak wrote:
>
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:28:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >There is a program called "oe2mbx" which converts OE5 folders to standard
> >MBX format - look for it on http://www.freshmeat.net/ or, if you're
> >really desperate, email me back and I'll send it to you - the source is
> >only a few K in size ...
> >
> >I have used the program - it seems to work very well.
>
> Didn't work for me at all :-(
>
> I've decided never again to use an email client which cannot export
> mail as a standard (text) format - either mbox or maildir or similar.
>
That rules out any Microsoft programs. You have experienced the
"innovation" they keep talking about.
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:23:31 -0400
WhyteWolf wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick wrote:
>
> [sniped for her pleasure]
>
> >History and Microsft have proven the market cannot kill M$, even when
> >the market is more innovative.
>
> 25 year history has proven that ...
> 10,000 history has proven that tyrants always
> fall sooner or later
I don't have that long to wait. :-)
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From: madhero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: formating a hard disk?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:34:51 GMT
Hi,
I would like to know how to format a hard disk if i only have linux on
it... i want it to be completely empty, to be able to install windows
on the hrad disk again..
any help would be appreciated,
thx
paul
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Crossposted-To: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Efficient compression of hard disk partition images ?
Date: 11 Jun 2000 17:49:56 -0400
Andreas Grosche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Trying to compress large (200-1400 MB) image files of entire hard disk
> partitions under Linux 2.0.36,
Is there a specific reason you need to work with a low-level disk
image? You could save some space if you could work with a copy on the
filesystem level (a tar file) instead (consider this a lossy
compression that preserves file-system state while discarding disk
layout information). Since you leave out a bunch of binary data
concerning disk layout (inodes, free space bitmaps etc.), this should
make the resulting image more amenable to further compression as well.
In any case, be sure that you've thought through the likelyhood and
consequences of a medium error somewhere in your compressed image.
Compression (depending on how it is done) can make partial recovery of
a slightly corrupted image more difficult (or impossible).
Collin
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux downloads on dos diskettes
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:58:36 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'm a newbie to linux and would like to further my education by
> compiling my own kernel, installing drivers etc. Now to my question.
> The only internet access I have is on a windoze machine. Can I
> download binaries and compiled code using windoze, onto a dos formated
> floppy and then install these files into my linux box to be compiled.
> Buying the hardware to make my linux box internet accessible would be
> a burden right now. Will this work?
> Thanks,
> jerbear
Yes, it is very easy. there is a set of tools called mtools ( man mtools
) with a complete set of dos like functions for file manipulation. On
the windoze machine copy the file to floppy, take the floppy to the
linux box and insert it into the drive ( no mount needed ), then from
the console on the linux box :
mcopy a:* .
this will copy all the files from the floppy to your current location in
linux.
--
Bob Martin
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:00:02 GMT
Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' ... only becasue the governemnt was able to M$ into court, and the
' resulting very real legal threat to M$'s continued existence .
Yeah, Big Brother is watching out for you. Trust Big Brother. He
knows what's best for you and can solve all your problems and give you
everything you need.
Give the FSF and other open source groups and people some credit, why
don'tchya?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.0 & KDE
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Jun 2000 14:29:45 GMT
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:05:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>I just installed Mandrake 7.0 and when it gets to the X login (where
>there's supposed to be a KDE login screen), there's just a plain X
>login. When I log in, there's no KDE, just a couple of terminal boxes in
>an absolutely plain X session. How do I get KDE to load?
Type 'startkde'. If you want it to do it automatically, create a file
in your home directory called '.xinitrc' and put the lines:
#!/bin/sh
exec startkde
in it, then make it executable:
chmod 755 ~/.xinitrc
and it should be automatic. No idea why it isn't (never used
Mandrake), perhaps it didn't install straight?
Robie.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: ISO image
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Jun 2000 14:35:16 GMT
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:23:07 -0400, Yehuda Raveh said:
>Yes. Use winimage. its a shareware. current version is 5
Naah, don't do that. Type:
mount -t iso9660 -o loop filename mount-point
(IIRC).
Robie.
>"Dmitri V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Hello ALL,
>>
>> Well, I got an ISO image of a CD-ROM with a bunch of something.
>> Unfortunately, I do not have CD writer on my RedHat box. So, this image
>> is just a single file.
>>
>> Is it somehow possible to extract the contents of this ISO image so that
>> I would see the contents as if this CD, from which the image was ripped,
>> was mounted somewhere in my filesystem? In other words, is there any way
>> to somehow "unpack" it to a normal directory tree?
>>
>> Any help would be greately appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dmitri
>
>
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Boot Messages - Would like to capture
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Jun 2000 14:33:31 GMT
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:20:35 -0500, Bob Martin said:
>Kevin Carpenter wrote:
>>
>> I have RH5.1 and RH6.0
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how to caputure the bootup messages into a file for later
>> viewing?
>>
>> thanks,
>
>Already done. /var/log/messages
Or /var/log/dmesg, depending on which ones you want.
Robie.
--
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From: Harry V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Making the Jump
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:06:12 -0700
I am a long time windows user that is looking to make the jump to linux.
I've got some extra hardware and want to build a second box to install
it on, with the hope of eventually moving my main system to linux also.
As a compleat newbie all the choices seem a little overwhelming, so I've
come here looking for advice.
Which distribution would be the most suitable for a beginner to start
with? Something that I can get up and running with a minimum of fuss.
Could someone also recommend a good book to help guide me in my adventure.
Thanks in advance.
- Harry V in BC
Spam has forced me to alter my Email address
send replys to harryv{at}telus{dot}net
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: formating a hard disk?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:01:40 -0500
madhero wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know how to format a hard disk if i only have linux on
> it... i want it to be completely empty, to be able to install windows
> on the hrad disk again..
Delete all linux partitions with linux fdisk. "fdisk /dev/hdaX"
remove lilo with a DOS/windoz bootdisk "fdisk /MBR"
Format drive with DOS/windoz format
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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Reply-To: "Gerald R. Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Gerald R. Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FTP Script?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:09:21 -0500
How do you use a script to run an FTP session on a Linux box?
On WinNT, you can use ftp -i -s:script_file, where the script_file contains
the username, password, etc.
--
Gerald Jensen
Automated Data Systems
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (kamborg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: KPPP problem
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:21:22 GMT
This could be very useful. But don't forget to send us the
cryptographic key when you get back to your home planet.
>
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>similar problem with RH6.2 and Kppp.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Efficient compression of hard disk partition images ?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:09:16 GMT
Andreas Grosche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on 11 Jun 2000 22:26:20 +0200, wrote :
AG> Trying to compress large (200-1400 MB) image files of entire hard disk
AG> partitions under Linux 2.0.36, I've found both gzip and bzip2 (Lempel-Ziv,
AG> not even mentioning the LZW of "compress" which saves as little as 0.0% on
AG> the largest files) to perform quite poorly on this task (the latter not
AG> unexpectedly, since the bzip2 man page makes an explicit warning about
AG> "low-level disk images" as a source), and I wonder which programs would
AG> use compression algorithms that could be considerably more efficient for
AG> this rather special application.
Why do you want to compress 'low-level disk images'? If what you hope
to achieve is a compressed back up, you would be far better off doing a
compression of a file-structured backup:
tar czvf /backups/home.tar.gz -C / home
Or
tar cvf - -C / home | bzip2 >/backups/home.tar.bz2
AG>
AG> While zip (2.0.1) reports to achieve much better compression (surprisingly
AG> enough), in fact the resulting file seems to have the exact same size
AG> (except for the additional zip signature) as gzip's creation - here's an
AG> example of repacking gzip (.gz source is 855458955 bytes!) to zip:
AG>
AG> # dd if=/mnt/image/devhda1.gz | gunzip | zip - - -9 -v | dd of=/dev/null
AG> 1670818+1 records in
AG> 1670818+1 records out
AG> ... (in=1401683968) (out=318588025) (deflated 77%)
AG> total bytes=1401683968, compressed=318588025 -> 77% savings
AG> 1670818+3 records in
AG> 1670818+1 records out
AG>
AG> Would be quite impressive - if zip was really doing that much better...
AG>
AG> However the last two lines (output from the final dd) tell a different story:
AG>
AG> I do not know where the reported compressed file of just 318588025 bytes
AG> actually ends up, for even when zip is explicitly advised to compress
AG> standard input to standard output with the double dashes (this should be
AG> the default anyway), at the end of the pipe there seem to be no savings
AG> for dd to write - or is anything wrong with the above chain of commands ?
I did not know that zip could compress its output to stdout at all! Are
you sure it is not creating a file named '-.zip' or '-'?
AG>
AG> At least I don't see any error in there at the moment, especially since
AG>
AG> # dd if=/mnt/image/devhda1.gz | gunzip | zip -0 -v | less
AG>
AG> shows the uncompressed file passed through these commands, just as expected.
AG>
AG> I suppose a simple run-length encoding might do better when compressing
AG> these image files, which in part consist of nothing but large areas of one
AG> and the same fill byte written to them by a format program, and for the
AG> rest contain an admittedly "difficult" mix of mostly binary program files.
AG>
AG> The gzip man page mentions "pack" and "compact" as Huffman compressors,
AG> but I have not found their Linux sources (or binaries) available for
AG> download anywhere yet, so I hope someone can let me know where to find
AG> them, or maybe an even more appropriate program available for this job.
AG>
AG> Thanks in advance for your replies (also by eMail to the address below) !
AG>
AG> Greetinx
AG>
AG> Andreas Grosche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AG>
AG>
AG> P.S.: When using "> target" instead of "| dd of=target", zip fails when
AG> the target is the null device for testing, but it works with a real file:
AG>
AG> # dd if=/dos/devhda2.img | zip -9 -v > /dev/null
AG> adding: -....................................2414+0 records in
AG> 2414+0 records out
AG> s=497583, actual=497614
AG> zip error: Internal logic error (incorrect compressed size)
AG>
AG> Does anyone know why one must not send the output to this place by " > ",
AG> when the very same thing works just fine with " | dd of=" ?
AG>
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: "Kent A. Signorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help - Questions...
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:31:46 GMT
Some linux questions:
1) is there any way to fix those horrible fonts in Netscape? the net
looks terrible
2) how do I change the font size/type/color for desktop icons in HELIX
GNOME with Sawfish?
3) i have two VFAT drives that I want all users to be able to wirite
to--what
setting do I make for their entries in FSTAB? i don't want to have to
put all
their UID's in fstab.
4) i know how /etc/skel works for new user skeletons. IS THERE A SKEL
FOR
GNOME DESKTOPS, ETC. so that new users get MY choice of new
desktop/panel/panel menu...?
Thanks so much,
Kent A. Signorini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Efficient compression of hard disk partition images ?
Date: 11 Jun 2000 19:31:50 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 11 Jun 2000 22:26:20 +0200, Andreas Grosche
<<8i0slc$49r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Trying to compress large (200-1400 MB) image files of entire hard disk
>partitions under Linux 2.0.36, I've found both gzip and bzip2 (Lempel-Ziv,
>not even mentioning the LZW of "compress" which saves as little as 0.0% on
>the largest files) to perform quite poorly on this task (the latter not
Something to try if you haven't already is to fill up the unused space
with zeroes. Say, if you're compressing /usr, become root and do:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/usr/crud bs=18k
rm /usr/crud
Presto, all the blocks that don't contain actual files now contain zeroes
instead of semi-random data from files that were deleted but their space
never reclaimed. This should make things compress better. HTH,
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: formating a hard disk?
Date: 11 Jun 2000 19:38:00 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:34:51 GMT, madhero
<<8i146a$2gn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I would like to know how to format a hard disk if i only have linux on
>it... i want it to be completely empty, to be able to install windows
>on the hrad disk again..
>From Linux, a much shorter solution:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
This will completely wipe out the MBR and the partition table. The LoseXX
install CD will see this, offer to partition the disk for you, make you
reboot several times, and proceed to scrawl itself all over your
disk. Remember that once you enter this command, the disk will be pretty
unusable until you install another OS or use LILO and fixpart to repair
the partition table/MBR.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Making the Jump
Date: 11 Jun 2000 19:47:42 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:06:12 -0700, Harry V
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I am a long time windows user that is looking to make the jump to linux.
>Which distribution would be the most suitable for a beginner to start
>with? Something that I can get up and running with a minimum of fuss.
>Could someone also recommend a good book to help guide me in my adventure.
Almost any of the latest distros. Mandrake 7.1 has gotten raves for its
nice installer, but you'll need at least Pentium and 32M. SuSE 6.4's
installer isn't quite as polished, but you get a heck of a lot more
software with SuSE. Corel's stuff has had problems, but it's Debian at
the core and therefore pretty cool.
Any boxed set should come with a manual. SuSE 6.4 has a 300-page manual
covering installation, X configuration, adding hardware, Unix basics, et
cetera. Mandrake should have something similar, though maybe not as
comprehensive. I've heard bad things about Corel's dead-tree
documentation. Anyway, O'Reilly's _Running Linux_ is a relatively good
guide for the new user, and it's distro-independent.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: formating a hard disk?
Date: 12 Jun 2000 00:03:11 GMT
madhero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>I would like to know how to format a hard disk if i only have linux on
>it... i want it to be completely empty, to be able to install windows
>on the hrad disk again..
Use fdisk. Windows' install might be able to repartition your hard
disk, too.
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From: PoD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Slow Mouse under X
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:59 +0930
Ron Gibson wrote:
>
> I installed a MS PS/2 mouse, two button, regular old mouse. Everything
> is all compiled and so forth.
>
> Under X it is annoying to use because I have to move the mouse really
> far to get the pointer to move compared to how far I had to move a
> serial mouse or what is needed in movement of the mouse under other OS's
> run.
>
> In checking /etc/XF86Config man page I see nothing to adjust this under
> the pointer section.
>
> This is usually referred to as "Tracking Speed" or "Acceleration" under
> other OS's and is adjustable.
>
> Any ideas on how to modify this setting?
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Home Page: http://home.netcom.com/~rgibson/index.htm
You didn't look hard enough.
Resolution count
sets the resolution of the device in counts per inch. This is
not
always supported by all the mice.
PoD.
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