Linux-Misc Digest #90, Volume #24 Sun, 9 Apr 00 16:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux (John Hasler)
Re: new user (Bastian)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Robert Moir")
Re: acrobat for linux (ps -> pdf) (Stewart C. Russell)
Re: printing in word perfect (Rod Smith)
Re: Linux Scheduling Source (Leejay Wu)
Re: WP8 d'load install to Linux? (Rod Smith)
Can't do "make config" (Bob)
Re: Linux printing inadequate. (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Can't do "make config" ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: new user (2:1)
Re: Linux printing inadequate. (Michael Powe)
Re: WINTV ? (Robie Basak)
Re: Can't do "make config" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: pop mail server problems (Robie Basak)
Re: Help moving /var to partition (Robie Basak)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:29:23 GMT
Parkerteam1 writes:
> I prefer the comparison of Linux to Microsoft.
Comparing an operating system to a corporation is like comparing a whale to
the phase of the moon.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: new user
Date: 09 Apr 2000 18:55:47 GMT
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:31:10 GMT, Walt Taylor wrote:
>I hoping my problem is easy for everyone. I put together an AMD600 Anthlon
>and decided to use L-M 7.0 Deluxe. I've got everything installed, rebooted
>for the first time the box comes up for user and password I can type in user
>box but when I try to type in password box it won't let me, hope someone can
>help me so I can get my experience with L-M on the road. Thank you, Walt
>
What do you mean "it doesn't let you"? :-) Does it give you an error due to
an invalid password, or do just not see any characters when you try to type
the password? Well, if it's the first one: bad luck, you forgot the password :(
If it's the second one: this is normal. Just enter your password and hit
the "enter" key. In windoze there are those cute stars appearing when you type
your password. Linux just keeps a password field blank.
Bastian
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From: "Robert Moir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:37:08 +0100
"fungus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Robert Moir wrote:
> >
> > the cost of supporting that user's operating system and apps comes
> > to a lot more than $30 per person per year.
>
> Yep. The TCO of Microsoft operating systems has always been
> one of the highest (all those reboots and reinstalls...)
Really? I keep hearing this. I had win 98 on my machine for 18 months and
never had to reinstall it. I do admit the reboots were annoying though, in
98 and NT, and I am glad that Win2k has solved these problems.
But "all those reinstalls" - really? What could you of been doing wrong to
need to do that.
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From: Stewart C. Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: acrobat for linux (ps -> pdf)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:07:19 BST
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric G. Miller) wrote:
>
>No it doesn't. It mangles fonts.
Upgrade, upgrade. gs 6 and 6.01 does embedded Type 1 fonts (with a single-byte
encoding vector) perfectly. It also makes a fair job of TrueType.
--
Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Hang on... This is the real thing... The truth, my friend,
and nothing but the truth" - Mervyn Peake
http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: printing in word perfect
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:15:56 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <5hPH4.138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Turley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Printing works just fine, from the command line, in netscape, star office,
> anywhere I try except Word Perfect. I can find no place to enter the
> lp command line. WP has a list of printers in a dialogue box but mine
> isn't listed. Most apps let you enter lpr, and WP even talks about this in
> the help file, but darned if I can find any way or place to do so.
If you mean WP 8.0, check my web page on the subject:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/wpfonts/
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: Leejay Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Scheduling Source
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:12:11 -0400
Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 9-Apr-100 Linux Scheduling
Source by "Raterus"@jmu.edu
> I'm doing an assignment for an operating systems class where I need to
> diagram the Linux's (Redhat distrubution) Scheduler. I have no clue where
> to find the source or once I get it which files do I need to look at. Can
> someone help??
(raises eyebrow)
* Specifically Red Hat? And a given version? Offhand, I don't
know of any reasons why they'd patch the scheduling algorithm,
but then I'm not a kernel dev.
Red Hat stuff can, naturally, be found at Red Hat (www.redhat.org).
First check /usr/src/linux. On a box where the kernel sources have
been installed, normally /usr/src/linux is a symlink to something
like /usr/src/linux-2.2.14, with sources.
* If it's not there,
a) find a Red Hat mirror (http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html)
say, ftp.cc.gatech.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat
Pick the appropriate one:
redhat-6.2/SRPMS/SRPMS/kernel-2.2.14-5.0.src.rpm (6.2)
redhat-6.1/SRPMS/SRPMS/kernel-2.2.12-20.src.rpm
Use either rpm or rpm2cpio followed by cpio, or alien, or
whatever else you wish to install.
b) Or choose the canonical sources, perhaps from ftp.us.kernel.org.
e.g.
/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.14.tar.gz
* Figure about 15MB of download, so if you're using a 56k or slower,
you might want to pop out for dinner. And walk the dog 'round
the block. Several times.
* Unpack wherever.
* In the Documentation dir, there's a bit about scheduling in smp.tex
if you care about SMP mode.
* Check kernel/sched.c; that might be the most interesting bit to you.
But as noted before, I'm not a kernel dev.
--
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the silly student |
|--------------------------| he writes really bad haiku |
| #include <stddiscl.h> | readers all go mad |
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WP8 d'load install to Linux?
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:19:41 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Trawler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am a very big newbie trying to install Corel WordPerfect 8 to Winlinux
> (pausing for laughter to die down) and I need detailed instructions. I
> downloaded the full file butI just don't think I unzipped or tarred it
> right and I don't know where to put the files to run install. As I am so
> new to Linux I need very simple and thorough instructions as you would
> give to a child or maybe a clever pet.
You need to:
1) Uncompress the files into a directory. Any directory.
2) Run the install script. I think it's called either Runme or install.wp
(the downloadable version uses one name and the retail version the
other, but I don't recall which is which offhand.) To do this, change
to the directory where the script exists and type ./Runme or
./install.wp, as appropriate.
3) Follow the on-screen prompts. When asked for a location, tell it to
install in /opt/wp8 or /usr/local/wp8. (Just about anywhere should
work, actually, but these are fairly conventional places for it.)
If you need more detailed instructions, try posting what's causing you
confusion, or check out a book on WP for Linux, like my own _Special
Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_ (see
http://www.rodsbooks.com/books/).
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't do "make config"
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:10:17 GMT
Hello!
I have tried: "make menuconfig", "make config" and "make xconfig" on 2
different Redhat 6.2 machines (the gnome workstation), but all I get is
an error message that it can't do make.
Does anyone have a clue why it doesn't recognize the make command?
I am in /usr/src/linux when I do the make.
TIA!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux printing inadequate.
Date: 9 Apr 2000 14:35:04 -0500
In article <8cqg4d$b7k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chetan Ahuja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>:> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:51:51 -0400, Ralph C Blach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:> What do you mean "a setup menu?" Most of us would consider
>:> printool as "a setup menu" -- you don't?
>
>: OK.. I think I would jump in here. I think what Ralph means is that
>: you can't choose print options AT THE TIME OF printing a document. I
>
>Maybe that is what he means. I don't know. But you certainly can.
>Any gui (e.g. soffice, wp8 ..) will offer you a menu to choose your
>printer of preference for the job at hand.
The piece that is really missing compared to windows is the
ability for an application to know internal details of
the selected printer (internal fonts, paper types and trays, etc.)
and thus have the ability to change these things within
a single document (like printing an envelope, the first page
on letterhead, the rest on plain, and collating these correctly
in the output tray). On the other hand, applications are
generally free to pipe through any preprocessing filter or
arbitrary program instead of sending directly to the printer
interface which is next to impossible under windows - I've
sometimes mapped a printer to a samba-served program on a Linux
box just to get this ability.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't do "make config"
Date: 9 Apr 2000 19:40:21 GMT
Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Does anyone have a clue why it doesn't recognize the make command?
Perhaps because you haven't installed it?
Check. Man rpm as a first exercise! I would wager that you haven't
installed redhats "development" packages.
Peter
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new user
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:03:25 +0100
Bastian wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:31:10 GMT, Walt Taylor wrote:
> >I hoping my problem is easy for everyone. I put together an AMD600 Anthlon
> >and decided to use L-M 7.0 Deluxe. I've got everything installed, rebooted
> >for the first time the box comes up for user and password I can type in user
> >box but when I try to type in password box it won't let me, hope someone can
> >help me so I can get my experience with L-M on the road. Thank you, Walt
> >
>
> What do you mean "it doesn't let you"? :-) Does it give you an error due to
> an invalid password, or do just not see any characters when you try to type
> the password? Well, if it's the first one: bad luck, you forgot the password :(
If you forgot the root password, then it is eaasily fixed.
If you have lile, type
linux 1
at the Lilo: prompt.
It will boot you in to aa single user session, without asking for a password. You
should get a
bash#
prompt. Type
passwd root
and enter a password.
Then either reboot (by typing "init 6" or "shutdown -r now") or go in to runlevel
5 (the GUI 'mode') by typing "init 5"
HTH
-Ed
>
> If it's the second one: this is normal. Just enter your password and hit
> the "enter" key. In windoze there are those cute stars appearing when you type
> your password. Linux just keeps a password field blank.
>
> Bastian
--
Did you know that the oldest known rock is the famous Hackenthorpe rock, which
is over three trillion years old?
-The Hackenthorpe Book of Lies
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux printing inadequate.
Date: 09 Apr 2000 11:53:54 -0700
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>>>>> "Ralph" == Ralph C Blach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ralph> After using Linux for a number of years, I can truefully
Ralph> say that Linux printing is totally inadequate. Lpr simply
Ralph> does not have the options and flexability that a modern
Ralph> printer system needs. 1) I should be at least able to
Ralph> control the duplex nature of a duplex printer from the lpr
Ralph> statement , but I cant.
And the operating systems on which you can do this are ... ? (And why
are you messing with the duplex, anyway?)
Ralph> 2) I should be able to attach different print filters
Ralph> through the configuration menus to the same device. Lets
Ralph> take redhat 6.1 for example.
Ralph> I have a deskjet 712c attached to my linux system. It can
Ralph> print in black an white or color. I want throught the
Ralph> configuration menus to be able to specify two totally
Ralph> different print filter mechanisms to the printer, but I
Ralph> cant. I had to manually edit the printcap and create a new
Ralph> hand written filter.
Have you tried the common unix printing system? http://www.cups.org.
Ralph> We need to get an industrial strenght printing mechanism
Ralph> here.
One of the great things about linux is the amount of user
contributions to the package. Feel free to start hacking. ;-)
mp
- --
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"Public opinion's always in advance of the Law." -- Galsworthy
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: WINTV ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Apr 2000 19:58:39 GMT
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 16:37:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>It seems I can't change to overlay, if I try to do it in /.xawtv I get
>this message and the tv goes back to grabdisplay.
>
>This is xawtv-3.11, running on Linux/i686 (2.2.12-20)
>visual: id=0x22 class=4 (TrueColor), depth=24
>x11: 1024x768, 32 bit/pixel, 4096 byte/scanline, DGA
>sh: v4l-conf: command not found
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
v4l-conf comes with xawtv - mine is in /usr/local/bin, I installed
xawtv from source. v4l-conf is used to set everything up (ie. overlay
and such-like).
I was confused as to why you didn't have fbtv either; now I think your
install of xawtv isn't complete. How did you install it and which
distribution do you have again?
I would recommend uninstalling your current version (if you're using
rpms or something) and installing from source at this point. Get it
from freshmeat.net and search for xawtv. It's not that difficult
really :-)
I get the feeling that this will solve all your problems, as this
explains why nothing else works.
>waitpid: No child processes
>v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
>sh: v4l-conf: command not found
>waitpid: No child processes
>v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe xawtv should complain about this a bit more obviously!
Robie.
>[...]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can't do "make config"
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:45:53 GMT
It would help if you posted the exact error message. If the computer is
not finding make it may be because you do not have make in your path, or
it is not installed. I am NO expert in make but I think it gets
installed with the C or C++ compilers. I think RH uses gcc, try
searching to see if it's installed.
In article <8cqkig$nv6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
> I have tried: "make menuconfig", "make config" and "make xconfig" on 2
> different Redhat 6.2 machines (the gnome workstation), but all I get
is
> an error message that it can't do make.
>
> Does anyone have a clue why it doesn't recognize the make command?
> I am in /usr/src/linux when I do the make.
>
> TIA!
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: pop mail server problems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Apr 2000 20:02:03 GMT
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 16:08:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>[mime junk]
>
>Wojciech Tatina wrote:
>
>> I have set up a Linux (Red Hat 6.0) intranet mail server for my network
>> where the clients are Win98/98/NT machines. I had the full installation of
>> RedHat
>> 6.0. The mail server is also the DNS for my network. Sendmail is running
>> and I added the users to this linux box. The clients could perfectly send
>> their mails, (Even while mailed with the full qualified names i.e.
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but were not able to retrieve the mail from the server. Those
>> mails sent by the clients are reaching properly as I could see them logging
>> in their respective accounts in the Mail server itself (It gives messages as
>> "new mail arrived."). As the mail retrieval will be using POP3, what
>> configurations should I make to the sendmail.cf or elsewhere so that the
>> clients can read their mails with there own mail clients? I've configured
>> the mail clients properly.
>> The message Outlook Express gives is:
>>
>> Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for
>> this include server problems, network problems or a long period of
>> inactivity. Account:'voytek', server:'mailserv.xyz.com', Protocol:POP3,
>> Port:110, (:No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F
>>
>> And according to the Mail-HOWTO in /usr/doc/HOW-TO/ directory I tried to
>> telnet the POP server by giving the command:
>>
>> # telnet <my mail servers name> 110
>> ..It produced output as..
>> Trying 192.168.2.3...
>> Connected to mailserv.xyz.com.
>> Escape character is '^]'.
>> (A brief delay of about three to four seconds)
>> Connection closed by foreign host.
>>
>> what am I missing here? Can someone please help me?
>>
>> Voytek Tatina
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>try this.
>edit /etc/inetd.conf.
>uncomment the pop3, pop2, and imap lines.
>issue the killall-HUP inetd command to re-read the config.
>then try to check mail. it works for me here ;)
You may also try looking at the files /etc/hosts.allow and (if
relevant) /etc/hosts.deny if the above doesn't work. They define
access control to your server.
>
>
>--
>DO NOT meddle in the affairs of the sysadmins,
>for they are subtle and QUICK to anger.
>
>Be nice to me or I'll replace you with a very small
>shell script. --Andy
>
>
>
>[more mime junk]
Robie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Help moving /var to partition
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Apr 2000 20:09:15 GMT
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:26:01 GMT, John Jacques said:
>Thanks, but when I got done I had /var/var/. I used "cd /var" "mv var/*
>.", is there a way to do it /var instead of /var/var? I'm going to be
>using this method you showed me alot in the future.
Oops. See below; I've made a couple of alterations.
You weren't once on Compuserve, were you (a two or three years ago)? I
vaguely recollect the name (something to do with VESA graphics?).
Robie.
>
>Thanks
>John
>
>Robie Basak wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:37:49 GMT, John Jacques said:
>> >Hello, I want to move /var to it's own partition. I have many empty
>> >partitions. How would I do this without a full re-install? I've tried
>> >moving directories to partitions and then making soft links to them and
>> >it doesn't work. Also, I've tried a hard link, but, it says the command
>> >is not supported. When I do a "ls -l /" my /usr, /root, /home, and / all
>> >show up as if they were regular directories, but, they are each on their
>> >own partitions.
>>
>> Let's say that your fresh partition is /dev/hda6 (where you want /var
>> to go). I'm assuming that /var is currently part of your root
>> filesystem.
>>
>> Do:
>> mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda6
>> mkdir /mnt/var
>> mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/var
do a `cd /var` here
>> find /var | cpio -p /mnt/var # transfers /var to /mnt/var, with
>> # symlinks etc done properly
Then `find | cpio -p /mnt/var` instead of the above find.
>> rm -Rf /var # Check it got copied to /mnt/var first, this wipes
>> # everything in the old /var!
>> mkdir /var
>> chmod 755 /var
>> umount /mnt/var
>>
>> now add a line to /etc/fstab:
>> /dev/hda6 /var ext2 defaults 1 2
>>
>> then:
>> mount /var
>>
>> All done!
>>
>> You might want to do:
>> rmdir /mnt/var
>> to clean up.
>>
>> Robie.
>>
>> >
>> >Slakware 7.0 2.2.13 full install.
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >John Jacques
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> --
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