Linux-Misc Digest #117, Volume #24 Tue, 11 Apr 00 23:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Apache -- CGI ("Egbert Sous�")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Where is ttfmkfdir (Hal Burgiss)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (JTK)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kernel Panic ("Dr. Darren M. Crotchett")
Re: Linux crash for no apparent reason (Dances With Crows)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Harlan Grove)
Netscape install ("constants")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (JTK)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (JTK)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Floyd Davidson)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (JTK)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (JTK)
Re: which linux to be used
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From: "Egbert Sous�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache -- CGI
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:00:10 GMT
It's not quite as simple as sticking a perl script in the cgi-bin directory.
Here are some conf files from my system. Look them over
----access.conf-------------(see the options in the cgi-bin directory)
<Directory />
Options None
AllowOverride None
</Directory>
<Directory /home/httpd/html>
Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
order allow,deny
allow from all
</Directory>
<Directory /home/httpd/cgi-bin>
AllowOverride None
Options ExecCGI
</Directory>
Alias /doc /usr/doc
<Directory /usr/doc>
order allow,deny
allow from all
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
</Directory>
=========srm.conf============(note the line about Addhandler cgi=script
towards the end. You'll probably want to use .pl)
DocumentRoot /home/httpd/html
UserDir public_html
DirectoryIndex index.html index.shtml index.cgi
FancyIndexing on
AddIconByEncoding (CMP,/icons/compressed.gif) x-compress x-gzip
AddIconByType (TXT,/icons/text.gif) text/*
AddIconByType (IMG,/icons/image2.gif) image/*
AddIconByType (SND,/icons/sound2.gif) audio/*
AddIconByType (VID,/icons/movie.gif) video/*
AddIcon /icons/binary.gif .bin .exe
AddIcon /icons/binhex.gif .hqx
AddIcon /icons/tar.gif .tar
AddIcon /icons/world2.gif .wrl .wrl.gz .vrml .vrm .iv
AddIcon /icons/compressed.gif .Z .z .tgz .gz .zip
AddIcon /icons/a.gif .ps .ai .eps
AddIcon /icons/layout.gif .html .shtml .htm .pdf
AddIcon /icons/text.gif .txt
AddIcon /icons/c.gif .c
AddIcon /icons/p.gif .pl .py
AddIcon /icons/f.gif .for
AddIcon /icons/dvi.gif .dvi
AddIcon /icons/uuencoded.gif .uu
AddIcon /icons/script.gif .conf .sh .shar .csh .ksh .tcl
AddIcon /icons/tex.gif .tex
AddIcon /icons/bomb.gif core
AddIcon /icons/back.gif ..
AddIcon /icons/hand.right.gif README
AddIcon /icons/folder.gif ^^DIRECTORY^^
AddIcon /icons/blank.gif ^^BLANKICON^^
DefaultIcon /icons/unknown.gif
ReadmeName README
HeaderName HEADER
AccessFileName .htaccess
TypesConfig /etc/mime.types
DefaultType text/plain
AddEncoding x-compress Z
AddEncoding x-gzip gz
AddLanguage en .en
AddLanguage fr .fr
AddLanguage de .de
AddLanguage da .da
AddLanguage el .el
AddLanguage it .it
LanguagePriority en fr de
Alias /icons/ /home/httpd/icons/
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/httpd/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /servlets/ /home/httpd/servlets/
AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
AddType text/html .shtml
AddHandler server-parsed .shtml
AddHandler imap-file map
BrowserMatch "Mozilla/2" nokeepalive
BrowserMatch "MSIE 4\.0b2;" nokeepalive downgrade-1.0 force-response-1.0
BrowserMatch "RealPlayer 4\.0" force-response-1.0
BrowserMatch "Java/1\.0" force-response-1.0
BrowserMatch "JDK/1\.0" force-response-1.0
paul simdars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I wanted to do some web development on my linux box (RH6.1). I have
> installed Apache and it created the httpd dir with the html and cgi-bin
> directories under it. I remember reading that you put your html file
> in the html directory and the cgi files in the cgi-bin directory and
> away you go.
> I downloaded a couple of tutorials but I found them to be less than
> helpful when it comes to actually running the program. For perl scripts
> I type 'perl filename' and it runs fine. In the one tutorial that
> seemed to explain it very well, I should be able to take their sample
> cgi page, save it as first.cgi, copy it into my cgi-bin directory and
> then open it in the browser (netscape). But, Netscape prints out
> everything in the script. Here is a copy of the file:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> print "Content-type:text/html\n\n";
>
> print "<html><head><title>Test Page</title></head>\n";
> print "<body>\n";
> print "<h2>Hello, world!</h2>\n";
> print "</body></html>\n";
>
>
> I guess it is not executing it as a script but opening it as a file. I
> did 'chmod 777' to make sure all bases were covered. Maybe my
> assumption that the cgi-bin directory is set up to run cgi scripts is
> wrong. Any guidence from any gurus would be appreciated.
> You can also email me at : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:01:23 GMT
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:49:35 GMT, fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>Yep. Are people forgettign that this is the company
>whose '97 version of a word processor was incapable
>of reading files created by their '95 version of the
>same program.
Well, that is innovative. Nobody else would have come up this. Forced
obsolence. Very clever.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Where is ttfmkfdir
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:06:06 GMT
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:30:27 GMT, scott thomason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think I've hosed up my xfs server. I'm trying to install some new
>truetype fonts on RedHat 6.2. In the past, I've used the utility
>"ttfmkfdir" to generate the fonts.scale file for xfs (actually, it's
>xfsft). The RedHat /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs file references it, too, but I
>can't find it on my new system anywhere. I've scoured the net, I've
>searched rpmfind.net, and I still can't find it. Can somebody tell me
>where it is? If you are root on your system, you can do a:
>
> rpm -qif `which ttfmkdir`
Typo? ttmkfdir. 6.2:
[hal@feenix hal]$ rpm -qf `which ttmkfdir`
freetype-1.3.1-5
>to tell you what package contains your binary.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:11:08 -0500
fungus wrote:
>
> Ermine Todd wrote:
> >
> > Optical mouse using a grid pad have existed for a long time. Creating a
> > mouse that DOESN'T need a pad and works by sensing the changing appearance
> > of ANY surface is new.
> >
>
> ...but it's not "innovation", it's "evolution".
>
Unless anyone else but MS invented it. Give it up fungus, you've grown
WAY too moldy for this MS-bashing business. You've got to be
"innovative" in your anti-Microsoft rhetoric!
> --
> <\___/>
> / O O \
> \_____/ FTB.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:12:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >5) Games. Windows is the first generic OS to make a really compelling
>> >game platform. The DirectSound, DirectMusic, DirectPlay, etc. APIs kick
>> >ass.
>>
>> No idea.
>>
> The Amiga?
> Commodore 64? >*spit*<
ZX Spectrum
>> >6) Palm-size PC. MAME game emulator in the pocket. MP3 player in the
>> >pocket. DOOM in the pocket. All my mail available via my cellphone in
>> >the pocket. Too cool.
>>
> In what way did Microsoft invent the "palm sized PC"? I thought
> that was Psion, or even Atari...
I'd say Psion.
--
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From: "Dr. Darren M. Crotchett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel Panic
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:19:46 -0500
Thanks for your help. I was able to fix it by booting to the CD and typing
vmlinuz rw root=/dev/hda3 (3 is my new partition number). Then, all I had
to do was edit /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab to reflect the proper partition
numbers where they had changed.
Darren
Grahame M. Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8cr5tc$hms$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <r1SH4.6511$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Dr. Darren M. Crotchett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Partition check:
> > hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4
> > attempt to access beyond end of device
> > 03:05: rw=0, want=2, limit=0
> > dev 03:05 blksize=1024 blocknr=1 sector=2 size=1024 count=1
> > EXT2-fs: unable to read superblock
> > attempt to access beyond end of device
> > 03:05: rw=0, want=33, limit=0
> > dev 03:05 blksize=1024 blocknr=32 sector=64 size=1024 count=1
> > isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:05, iso_blknum=16, block=32
> > Kernel panic (ask Bob): VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:05
> >
> > Any ideas how to correct this problem?
>
> You are best to reinstall the distro you want but make sure this time
> that you do delete all the linux partitions (under say fdisk) and re
> create them. When selecting the partitions to be formatted I would
> strongly suggest youn run with the "c" for check bad block option
> and maybe more importantly increase your superblock count (which I
> know you can do under SuSE - but on other distro's you have to find
> out yourself). Increasing the superblock count will increase the
> number of smaller blocks (ie. waste less disk space on a very big
> disk partition).
>
> Cheers, Grahame
>
> --
> SLUG (Sydney Linux User Group) www.slug.org.au
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Linux crash for no apparent reason
Date: 11 Apr 2000 19:16:09 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:40:15 +0200, Peet Grobler
<<38f3013d$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I'm running Linux 2.0.35 (Caldera Openlinux dist.)
>On tty1, I have make modules running.
>On tty2, I have top running, with update speed of 3 seconds.
>On tty3, I type 'killall -1 syslogd"
>The PC reboots. Then I have to wait 20 minutes for all my filesystems to get
>scanned.
>Can anybody maybe explain this to me? I don't see anything in the logs.
>Please, any ideas? PS: This only happened once. I'd love to hear your
>theory's of why this happened.
1. Can you reproduce it?
2. Do you see anything else weird happening? (kernel compiles
segfaulting, etc.)
If 1 and !2, then there's something weird going on with one or more of
those processes.
If !1 and 2, then you more than likely have hardware problems like bad
RAM.
If !1 and !2, then it was probably a momentary power outage; guaranteed
to make a PC reboot unless it's plugged to a UPS. I had similar problems
with a machine spontaneously rebooting when a PCI card was accessed...
combination of an ultra-tiny power supply and a very flaky motherboard.
HTH,
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:56:30 -0700
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ws.net>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Well, if you insist on using the dictionary definition
>> of 'monopoly',
>
> works for me.
It would.
>> The fact is that Microsoft has engaged in discriminatory
>> pricing of Windows etc., selling these products at lower
>> prices to OEMs that make their buyers pay for Windows
>
> actually I kind of like the notion of producers and
> buyers agreeing on a price without some third party
> butting in.
You seem to be the sort of person who'd consider protection
rackets nothing more than unorthodox insurance products.
>> possibly other Microsoft products) whether or not the
>> user wants Windows on their PC, and selling at higher
>> prices to OEMs that don't collect a Windows license fee
>> from their customers who opt for other OS's. This is one
>> charge of many that has now been established in a court
>> of law (though pending appeal).
>
> so your gripe is with the OEM?
Guess you're unfamiliar with the concept of duress. Try
looking up _duress_ in your dictionary.
Unreasonably discriminatory pricing (different unit prices
for different sales volumes are OK, different unit prices
for comparable sales volumes can be illegal - as in this
instance). If you don't like US law as it exists, try to
change it. But that doesn't alter the fact that Microsoft
has been found to have violated it.
>> you're interested in. One last time: Microsoft has been
>> found to be a 'monopoly' acording to the precise
>> definition of that term in the US's Sherman Antitrust
>> Act. Laws often
>
> What some senile hack judge decides in a courtroom
> doesn't change reality anymore than a jury saying OJ
> Simpson is not guilty changes reality.
Ah, the strengths of your argument have led you to the
inevitable ad homenim attack. Or, one miscarriage of
justice deserves another? Let's just say that the rest of
computerdom is less culpable with regard to Microsoft than
the LAPD was with OJ.
Finding it difficult to offer any cogent reasons Microsoft
shouldn't get dismembered?
'Breaking up Microsoft will stifle innovation.' Goodness
knows Microsoft is single handedly built computing to what
it is now. They invented operating systems (ignore OS/360,
MVS, VM, VMS, CP/M, Unix). They invented programming
languages (ignore FORTRAN, PL/1, ALGOL, APL, . . ., C).
They invented the programming IDE (ignore Turbo Pascal).
They invented the GUI (ignore Xerox/PARC, Apple Lisa and
Mac, X). They invented office productivity suites (ignore
WordStar, WordPerfect, VisiCalc, 123, . . .). They invented
networking (ignore Novell, Sun, IBM, telnet, . . .). They
invented the web and web browsers (choke!).
Microsoft is definitely the world's best exploiter of
technology originally developed by other people. But a
irreplaceable source of software innovation?
* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web
Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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From: "constants" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape install
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:35:46 -0400
I downloaded Netscape 6 and I did tar -xzvf netscape.tar.gz and it worked.
But I can't find an install script. So the folder /packages is created with
a whole bunch of files in it.
I know this is a stupid question but do I need to have the tar.gz file in a
special folder when I tar it? Also after tar -xzvf what other command do I
give to install it?
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:18:25 -0500
Ermine Todd wrote:
>
> Innovation does NOT equate to de novo invention.
>
> But then again, if you've ever read the book "Connections", you will
> understand that there is little, if any, pure invention. Seems to me that
> MS detractors somehow forget this when speaking of MS but are perfectly
> willing to accept this when speaking of other companies.
>
Are you trying to say sir, that interpreted languages aren't an
"innovation"?!?!? Or that OSes that can't even decide how to manage
their GUIs aren't "innovation"?!?!?! My God man! The next thing you'll
be trying to tell us is that the Mac needs real memory management!!
No sir! When I seek innovation, I look to the retreads (Java), the old
and crusty (Unices), or the just plain lame (Mac)! How dare you suggest
that Microsoft is more innovative than these and many other fine
examples of true innovators!
(Now THAT'S sarcasm!)
> --ET--
>
> "fungus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Ermine Todd wrote:
> > >
> > > Optical mouse using a grid pad have existed for a long time. Creating a
> > > mouse that DOESN'T need a pad and works by sensing the changing
> appearance
> > > of ANY surface is new.
> > >
> >
> >
> > ...but it's not "innovation", it's "evolution".
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > <\___/>
> > / O O \
> > \_____/ FTB.
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 11 Apr 2000 23:24:01 GMT
Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
|> >
|> > > Linux can handle that kind of treatment without trashing the
|> > > entire system!
|> >
|> > So can NT if it is properly set up.
|>
|> Obviously no one has managed to set it up correctly.
|
| Do you want your user's to be able to run as Administrator with
| full ownership and rights on the system or not? If not, then
| locking down the system is relatively easy.
Locking down NT is *NOT* easy. We had a guy working for Microsoft on
NT security lock down our CS lab systems and all sorts of havoc still
broke loose. This guy was way sharp, too.
| But that's typically NOT what users want.
Of course not -- they want to be able to run Microsoft Word.
That's the problem: lock down NT and it is not usable anymore.
VMS, which NT is based on, doesn't have that problem.
| The solution (which is being implemented BTW) is to have the OS be
| self-healing and not allow applications to change the system.
So the next layer of bloat is Ms ImmuneSystem?! Why can't they just
get it right the first time, like every other OS out there?
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:23:36 -0500
fungus wrote:
>
> Andre Kostur wrote:
> >
> > >2) Total abstraction of a wide range of underlying hardware, including a
> > >wide range of audio and display technologies (and hardware
> > >accellerators).
> >
> > X-Window? (Ancient technology by computer terms...) Not too sure about the
> > Audio end of things.
> >
>
> FILE *f = fopen("/dev/audio", "wb");
>
Yeah, find me ONE unixite that won't squeal at the "b" in there. "All
files are text files dag nabbit! You younguns don't know what's good
fer ya!"
> > >5) Games. Windows is the first generic OS to make a really compelling
> > >game platform. The DirectSound, DirectMusic, DirectPlay, etc. APIs kick
> > >ass.
> >
> > No idea.
> >
>
> The Amiga?
>
> Commodore 64?
>
> > >6) Palm-size PC. MAME game emulator in the pocket. MP3 player in the
> > >pocket. DOOM in the pocket. All my mail available via my cellphone in
> > >the pocket. Too cool.
> >
>
> In what way did Microsoft invent the "palm sized PC"? I thought
> that was Psion, or even Atari...
>
> > >7) Making computers easy and cheap. Mac did beat M$ to making them easy.
> > >Others might have been cheaper. Microsoft made them easy and cheap at
> > >the same time, which was crucial to mass market acceptance. Nobody else
> > >was doing that in 1992.
> >
>
> I'm not sure the PC has reached the price of an Amiga yet.
>
They're cheaper. Amigas were selling for at least $1500 IIRC. Sans
monitor.
> Maybe next year if PC prices continue to drop...
>
> --
> <\___/>
> / O O \
> \_____/ FTB.
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 11 Apr 2000 14:43:32 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Well, if you insist on using the dictionary definition
>> of 'monopoly',
>
>works for me.
Then you and everyone else claiming to use it had best get out
a dictionary and actually read what it says the word means.
"control that makes possible the fixing of prices and the
virtual elimination of free competition."
Note that is has *nothing* to do with 100% market share.
>> The fact is that Microsoft has engaged in discriminatory
>> pricing of Windows etc., selling these products at lower
>> prices to OEMs that make their buyers pay for Windows (and
>
>actually I kind of like the notion of producers and buyers
>agreeing on a price without some third party butting in.
>
>> possibly other Microsoft products) whether or not the user
>> wants Windows on their PC, and selling at higher prices to
>> OEMs that don't collect a Windows license fee from their
>> customers who opt for other OS's. This is one charge of
>> many that has now been established in a court of law
>> (though pending appeal).
>
>so your gripe is with the OEM?
>
>> you're interested in. One last time: Microsoft has been
>> found to be a 'monopoly' acording to the precise definition
>> of that term in the US's Sherman Antitrust Act. Laws often
>
>What some senile hack judge decides in a courtroom doesn't change
>reality anymore than a jury saying OJ Simpson is not guilty changes
>reality.
What "some senile hack judge decides in a courtroom" *is* reality.
You can refuse to accept it all you like, but courts are the
final arbiter, and the only one who is going to suffer from you
lack of acceptance is you.
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:27:52 -0500
fungus wrote:
>
> Patrick O'Neil wrote:
> >
> > I STRONGLY encourage you to write to the DOJ (their
> > website has an email address specifically for people
> > to submit messages regarding the Microsoft trial).
>
> ...so where's their web site?
>
> > (Isn't it funny
> > that Corel can make a good office suite with the
> > wordprocessor remaining compatible with EVERY version
> > of WordPerfect that has come before it? It doesn't
> > make a good office product to break the format between
> > every new version that comes out).
> >
>
> Yep. Are people forgettign that this is the company
> whose '97 version of a word processor was incapable
> of reading files created by their '95 version of the
> same program.
>
Nope. They're remembering the disaster that Was WordPerfect 6.0. Er, I
mean 5.0 colored red. Funny how that selective memory system of yours
works, ain't it fungus?
> --
> <\___/>
> / O O \
> \_____/ FTB.
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:29:29 GMT
JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Harlan, come on, you're not that naive. You know Red Hat will be
> charging for each significant upgrade.
>
Yes. But will there be no other way but to pay to get the "upgrade"?
In other words, can Red Hat keep us from sucking the stuff from the
'net or buying a $ 2.00 CD from someone else?
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
========================================================
"How to make God laugh?"
"Tell Him your plans."
(paraphrased from "Foundation's Fear" - Gregory Benford)
========================================================
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:29:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Well, if you insist on using the dictionary definition
> > of 'monopoly',
>
> works for me.
>
> > The fact is that Microsoft has engaged in discriminatory
> > pricing of Windows etc., selling these products at lower
> > prices to OEMs that make their buyers pay for Windows (and
>
> actually I kind of like the notion of producers and buyers
> agreeing on a price without some third party butting in.
>
> > possibly other Microsoft products) whether or not the user
> > wants Windows on their PC, and selling at higher prices to
> > OEMs that don't collect a Windows license fee from their
> > customers who opt for other OS's. This is one charge of
> > many that has now been established in a court of law
> > (though pending appeal).
>
> so your gripe is with the OEM?
>
> > you're interested in. One last time: Microsoft has been
> > found to be a 'monopoly' acording to the precise definition
> > of that term in the US's Sherman Antitrust Act. Laws often
>
> What some senile hack judge decides in a courtroom doesn't change
> reality anymore than a jury saying OJ Simpson is not guilty changes
> reality.
>
My, you _are_ thick, aren't you?
FYI, what the judge decides will be reality as far as Microsoft, you
and the rest of the world are concerned. If a court of law decrees
that Microsoft must be broken up, this will be done. I don't see how
you can get more real than that.
Hint for the rest of your life: dictionaries do not decide on reality.
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
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"How to make God laugh?"
"Tell Him your plans."
(paraphrased from "Foundation's Fear" - Gregory Benford)
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:29:34 GMT
fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >6) Palm-size PC. MAME game emulator in the pocket. MP3 player in the
> > >pocket. DOOM in the pocket. All my mail available via my cellphone in
> > >the pocket. Too cool.
> >
>
> In what way did Microsoft invent the "palm sized PC"? I thought
> that was Psion, or even Atari...
>
>
Yep. Atari invented it (PoquetPC); Psion perfected it (Series 3xx and
5xx) and Microsoft - as usual - made it suck big chunks (Wince -
finally an acronym that says it all).
In all fairness, there is quite a bit of movement in the Wince camp:
everybody seems to be running towards the exit.
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
========================================================
"How to make God laugh?"
"Tell Him your plans."
(paraphrased from "Foundation's Fear" - Gregory Benford)
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:26:12 -0500
Patrick O'Neil wrote:
>
[snip]
>(Isn't it funny
> that Corel can make a good office suite with the
> wordprocessor remaining compatible with EVERY version
> of WordPerfect that has come before it?
Yeah, that would be funny if it was anywhere near true. Or if anyone
cared about WordPerfect anymore. Bet you never used version 6.0, did
you?
[snip]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which linux to be used
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:30:07 GMT
Michael Hofmann wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > hello linux world..
> >
> > Here at my place, we use redhat for almost all the purposes.. and I
> > have been shamelessly unaware of other distros.. but now, that I want
> > to install linux on my machine, I would like to know which would be
> > the *best* linux to use. best is not the correct word here since all
> > have different advantages etc.. I want something that is easiest to
> > install and manage and also has enuf stuff available on the web.
>
>
> The Linux Distribution HOWTO
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Distribution-HOWTO.html
Check out www.linux-mandrake.com ... I think Mandrake 7.0 is easy to
install and configure. They also have online manuals and a web site called
www.mandrakeuser.org ... designed for the Mandrake User. This is the
distribution that I always go back to.
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