Linux-Misc Digest #126, Volume #24 Wed, 12 Apr 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: DHCP woes (Chuko Liang)
Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up ("Peter T. Breuer")
?: Serial-only Linux box problems (Dave Newton)
Re: DHCP woes (Chuko Liang)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Robert Wiegand)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Robert Barry")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chuko Liang)
Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: Re: DHCP woes
Date: 12 Apr 2000 15:45:01 GMT
In article <8cvt2b$715j3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stefan Gasteiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chuko Liang schrieb in Nachricht <8cvg8j$77p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>
>>I've set up a Linux DHCP server on a network with many VLANs. I've got
>>a helper address pointing to the DHCP server, and I've forwarded udp 67
>>and 68.
>
>Which version of dhcpd are you running?
>
dhcpd 2.2
>>The problem I'm having though, is that the DHCP server is on the 10.0.1.*
>>subnet, and the machine in question is on the 10.0.41.* subnet. DHCP
>>serves out fine to machines on the 10.0.1.* subnet, but it acts wierd on
>>the 10.0.41.* subnet. There, a 10.0.41.* address is handed out, and then
>>superseded by one from the 10.0.1.* subnet. This happens with a Win98
>>laptop and an OpenBSD box, so the problem is not specific to Windows.
>>The dhcp server gets two DHCPDISCOVER requests: one comes via 10.0.41.1,
>>and one comes from eth0, both within milliseconds of the other.
>>
>>Does dhcp think its getting two requests, or is it actually getting two
>>requests. I've been working on this (with help from others) on and
>>off for the better part of a week, and gotten no where.
>
>Could you post an excerpt from your log file?
>You may also run a tcpdump port bootps
>
>>
>>Anyone have any ideas? The dhcpd.conf follows, along with an excerpted
>>show running config (and show ip interface for the specific interface)
>>from the Cisco router.
>
>Perhaps you could post the complete config of your cisco?
>
>--
>Stefan Gasteiger
>mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
Here's the config:
tower:~# telnet 10.0.1.1
Trying 10.0.1.1...
Connected to 10.0.1.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
User Access Verification
Password:
broad>en
Password:
broad#sh ru
Building configuration...
Current configuration:
!
version 12.0
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
no service password-encryption
!
hostname broad
!
enable secret 5 $1$xtIv$vN6RhH0rMpTYHD5yDOeFw1
!
!
!
!
!
ip subnet-zero
!
!
!
!
process-max-time 200
!
interface FastEthernet0/0
--More-- ip address 192.168.0.3 255.255.255.0
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat outside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1
no ip address
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.1
encapsulation isl 1
ip address 10.0.1.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.11
encapsulation isl 11
ip address 10.0.11.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.12
--More-- encapsulation isl 12
ip address 10.0.12.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.13
encapsulation isl 13
ip address 10.0.13.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.32
no ip directed-broadcast
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.41
encapsulation isl 41
ip address 10.0.41.1 255.255.255.0
ip helper-address 10.0.1.2
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
--More-- interface FastEthernet0/1.42
encapsulation isl 42
ip address 10.0.42.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.43
encapsulation isl 43
ip address 10.0.43.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.44
encapsulation isl 44
ip address 10.0.44.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.45
encapsulation isl 45
ip address 10.0.45.1 255.255.255.0
--More-- no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.46
encapsulation isl 46
ip address 10.0.46.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.47
encapsulation isl 47
ip address 10.0.47.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.71
encapsulation isl 71
ip address 10.0.71.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
--More-- !
interface FastEthernet0/1.72
encapsulation isl 72
ip address 10.0.72.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.73
encapsulation isl 73
ip address 10.0.73.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.74
encapsulation isl 74
ip address 10.0.74.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.75
encapsulation isl 75
--More-- ip address 10.0.75.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.76
encapsulation isl 76
ip address 10.0.76.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.77
encapsulation isl 77
ip address 10.0.77.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.78
encapsulation isl 78
ip address 10.0.78.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
--More-- ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.101
encapsulation isl 101
ip address 10.0.101.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.102
encapsulation isl 102
ip address 10.0.102.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.103
encapsulation isl 103
ip address 10.0.103.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.104
--More-- encapsulation isl 104
ip address 10.0.104.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.105
encapsulation isl 105
ip address 10.0.105.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.106
encapsulation isl 106
ip address 10.0.106.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.131
encapsulation isl 131
ip address 10.0.131.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
--More-- no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.132
encapsulation isl 132
ip address 10.0.132.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.133
encapsulation isl 133
ip address 10.0.133.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.134
encapsulation isl 134
ip address 10.0.134.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
--More-- interface FastEthernet0/1.135
encapsulation isl 135
ip address 10.0.135.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.136
encapsulation isl 136
ip address 10.0.136.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.161
encapsulation isl 161
ip address 10.0.161.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.162
encapsulation isl 162
ip address 10.0.162.1 255.255.255.0
--More-- no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.163
encapsulation isl 163
ip address 10.0.163.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.164
encapsulation isl 164
ip address 10.0.164.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.165
encapsulation isl 165
ip address 10.0.165.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
--More-- !
interface FastEthernet0/1.166
encapsulation isl 166
ip address 10.0.166.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.167
encapsulation isl 167
ip address 10.0.167.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.168
encapsulation isl 168
ip address 10.0.168.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.191
encapsulation isl 191
--More-- ip address 10.0.191.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.192
encapsulation isl 192
ip address 10.0.192.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.193
encapsulation isl 193
ip address 10.0.193.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.221
encapsulation isl 221
ip address 10.0.221.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
--More-- ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.222
encapsulation isl 222
ip address 10.0.222.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.223
encapsulation isl 223
ip address 10.0.223.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.224
encapsulation isl 224
ip address 10.0.224.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.225
--More-- encapsulation isl 225
ip address 10.0.225.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.251
encapsulation isl 251
ip address 10.0.251.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.252
encapsulation isl 252
ip address 10.0.252.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.253
encapsulation isl 253
ip address 10.0.253.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
--More-- no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.281
encapsulation isl 281
ip address 10.1.25.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.282
encapsulation isl 282
ip address 10.1.26.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.283
encapsulation isl 283
ip address 10.1.27.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
--More-- interface FastEthernet0/1.284
encapsulation isl 284
ip address 10.1.28.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.285
encapsulation isl 285
ip address 10.1.29.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/1.287
encapsulation isl 287
ip address 10.1.31.1 255.255.255.0
no ip redirects
no ip directed-broadcast
ip nat inside
!
ip nat translation timeout 3600
ip nat pool net-209 192.168.0.50 192.168.0.254 prefix-length 24
ip nat inside source list 1 pool net-192
--More-- ip nat inside source static 10.0.1.241 192.168.0.21
ip nat inside source static 10.0.1.242 192.168.0.22
ip nat inside source static 10.0.1.243 192.168.0.23
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1
ip http server
!
access-list 1 permit 10.0.0.0 0.3.255.255
!
line con 0
transport input none
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
password
login
!
!
no scheduler allocate
end
broad#sh ip route
Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP
D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area
N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2
E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP
i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, ia - IS-IS inter area
* - candidate default, U - per-user static route, o - ODR
P - periodic downloaded static route
Gateway of last resort is 192.168.0.1 to network 0.0.0.0
10.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 56 subnets
C 10.0.11.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.11
C 10.0.12.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.12
C 10.0.13.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.13
C 10.0.1.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.1
C 10.1.27.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.283
C 10.1.26.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.282
C 10.1.25.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.281
C 10.1.31.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.287
C 10.1.29.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.285
C 10.1.28.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.284
C 10.0.42.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.42
C 10.0.43.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.43
C 10.0.41.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.41
--More-- C 10.0.46.0 is directly connected,
FastEthernet0/1.46
C 10.0.47.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.47
C 10.0.44.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.44
C 10.0.45.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.45
C 10.0.74.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.74
C 10.0.75.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.75
C 10.0.72.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.72
C 10.0.73.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.73
C 10.0.78.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.78
C 10.0.76.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.76
C 10.0.77.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.77
C 10.0.71.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.71
C 10.0.106.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.106
C 10.0.104.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.104
C 10.0.105.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.105
C 10.0.102.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.102
C 10.0.103.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.103
C 10.0.101.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.101
C 10.0.136.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.136
C 10.0.131.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.131
C 10.0.134.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.134
C 10.0.135.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.135
C 10.0.132.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.132
C 10.0.133.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.133
--More-- C 10.0.168.0 is directly connected,
FastEthernet0/1.168
C 10.0.162.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.162
C 10.0.163.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.163
C 10.0.161.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.161
C 10.0.166.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.166
C 10.0.167.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.167
C 10.0.164.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.164
C 10.0.165.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.165
C 10.0.191.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.191
C 10.0.192.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.192
C 10.0.193.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.193
C 10.0.222.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.222
C 10.0.223.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.223
C 10.0.221.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.221
C 10.0.224.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.224
C 10.0.225.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.225
C 10.0.251.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.251
C 10.0.252.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.252
C 10.0.253.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1.253
C 192.168.0.0/24 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/0
S* 0.0.0.0/0 [1/0] via 192.168.0.1
broad# sh ip int 0 fast 0/1.41
FastEthernet0/1.41 is up, line protocol is up
Internet address is 10.0.41.1/24
Broadcast address is 255.255.255.255
Address determined by non-volatile memory
MTU is 1500 bytes
Helper address is 10.0.1.2
Directed broadcast forwarding is disabled
Outgoing access list is not set
Inbound access list is not set
Proxy ARP is enabled
Security level is default
Split horizon is enabled
ICMP redirects are never sent
ICMP unreachables are always sent
ICMP mask replies are never sent
IP fast switching is enabled
IP fast switching on the same interface is enabled
IP Flow switching is disabled
IP Feature Fast switching turbo vector
IP multicast fast switching is enabled
IP multicast distributed fast switching is disabled
Router Discovery is disabled
IP output packet accounting is disabled
IP access violation accounting is disabled
--More-- TCP/IP header compression is disabled
RTP/IP header compression is disabled
Probe proxy name replies are disabled
Policy routing is disabled
Network address translation is enabled, interface in domain inside
WCCP Redirect outbound is disabled
WCCP Redirect exclude is disabled
BGP Policy Mapping is disabled
broad# exit
Connection closed by foreign host.
tower:~# ls
ciscorun2 dhcpd.conf lne100v4.exe mbox pcmpc100.exe
dead.letter listsubnet mail niftytelnet-1.1-ssh-r3.hqx pcmpc200.exe
tower:~# exit
exit
Script done on Tue Apr 11 14:48:37 2000
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up
Date: 12 Apr 2000 15:32:39 GMT
Raul Trujillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Now, when I tried rebooting, it tells me to press: CTRL+D for a normal
: start up or to give the root password for maintenance. Anyways I type
: the password and type 'fsck' and it responds with "Parallelizing fsck
: version 1.15 (18-Jul-1999). I also tried 'mke2fs /dev/hda1' but tells
man fsck.
: me that 'hda1' is in use. Can someone tell me what I must do to get it
: back up and running?
NAME
fsck - check and repair a Linux file system
SYNOPSIS
fsck [ -sACVRTNP ] [ -t fstype ] [--] [ fsck-options ]
filesys [ ... ]
E.g. "fsck /dev/hda1"!
Now what was the mote in your eye that prevented you doing or seeing
that?
Peter
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From: Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: ?: Serial-only Linux box problems
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:46:47 GMT
Hi,
I'm currently working with RedHat 6.0 (product requirement for now),
kernel vesion 2.2.5-15 (same). I've recompiled the kernel to allow for a
serial console.
My lilo.conf file has a "serial=1,9600n8" line in the 'global' section
and a 'append="console=ttyS1,9600"' line in the kernel section (of the
kernel in question).
Here's my questions:
1) I'm not getting any input from the serial terminal. Is this a kernel
or configuration issue? The serial cable should be good as I have had it
successfully running getty. (It isn't now.)
2) Should I or should I not be getting the console login prompt on my
serial terminal? I thought I should. Is a serial console only good for
the console messages but not the console login? Is there another way to
get this to work properly (i.e., perhaps my modifying /etc/inittab to
run mingetty on the serial port in question)? I also need to have root
be able to log on over the serial port, but I remember seeing something
about that a long time ago WRT telnet root access.
3) Is the answer to #2 dependant on whether or not there is a VGA card
in the system? (I have tried it with or without; I never get a console
login prompt on the serial terminal.)
4) Am I truly limited to 9600 baud? I really need 57600 due to system
constraints. Is this because it's using the PC BIOS serial routines? If
so, if I have serial port routines in the BIOS that allow greater rates
can I hack the kernel source to allow the higher speeds?
Thanks much,
Dave Newton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chuko Liang)
Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: Re: DHCP woes
Date: 12 Apr 2000 15:47:14 GMT
In article <9v_I4.9062$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>One thing I am curious about, you say that you have helper address and you
>have forwarded 67 and 68? The helper address all by itself will forward udp
>broadcasts on about 7 ports. You must specifically turn things off that you
>do not want forwarded. Can you post a config?
>
A slightly censored config has been posted in response to another post in
this thread.
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:26:39 -0500
Harlan Grove wrote:
> If one believe Microsoft has acted illegally (we seem to differ), and if
> one believes Microsoft can't be trusted to check itself from acting in
> like manner in future (we may differ again), then the only practical
> recourse would be to eliminate Microsoft's ability to bully OEMs, other
> software makers, standards organizations, etc. That means ending its
> network monopoly (again, rant all you want about semantics - I'm now
> qualifying my use of 'monopoly' so you can't hide behind your dictionary
> any more). That pretty much requires converting the current Microsoft
> into multiple, competing companies.
I have to disagree.
A simple published price list would eliminate the OEM bullying.
Microsoft would have to be required to:
1) Publish prices
2) All sales *must* be at the published prices
3) Anyone who can pay must be allowed to buy
--
Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Robert Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:05:47 -0700
I heard a good illustration of how Microsoft is abusing its monopoly status.
It goes like this:
Microsoft is the only company that sells milk.
Everybody needs to milk.
Another company makes bread
Microsoft wants to enter the bread market.
Microsoft tells its customers (oem & retail) that to buy its milk you
must also buy its bread.
That tying is what's illegal. You can't leverage your monopoly position
in milk to bread that way.
Just my spin on the whole thing.
Bob rsbarry at home. com
Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >' uh...no. Having a "huge" share is not a monopoly. A monopoly is
having
> >' 100% share. Citing various legal ruling doesn't change the basic
> >' definitions of words.
> >' So, in which product catagory does Microsoft have a monopoly? We know
> >' it's not word processors. We know it's not web browsers. We know it's
> >' not email programs or news readers. We know it's not spreadsheets or
> >' database programs. Help me out here. Tell me which product catagory
has
> >' been monopolized by Microsoft.
> >
> >By your definition, none.
>
> His definition is quaint, but it is also incorrect. A monopoly is
> *not* defined as having 100% share (although certainly a 100% share
> will provide a monopoly).
>
> A monopoly is having enough control to set prices.
>
> > Never mind that many companies want
> >documents in Word's doc format. Never mind that Netscape was killed
> >by IE, not due to technical merits but due to tying.
>
> That fits Bill Gate's stated purpose in life: to make money.
>
> I don't particularly care for his products, and don't use them. But
> the man is *exceedingly* good at what he does.
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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