Linux-Misc Digest #126, Volume #26 Tue, 24 Oct 00 02:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Porting SAP from Windows NT to Solaris (Christopher Browne)
Re: placing java VM into kernal, good or bad ? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Memory clean up (Christopher Browne)
fsdext2 on large disk (Dan Murphy)
Re: Linux PDA (Warren Young)
Re: Copying an 7GB-partition to an 8GB-partition (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G? (E J)
Re: Linux PDA (Alex)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Dial into Linux to access Internet through high speed connection (David Efflandt)
Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G? (David M. Cook)
Re: Screen Saver Question ("Lamar Thomas")
Re: libdbe.a for Debian (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Problem Building Ghostscript on RH6.1 (Paul Kimoto)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Porting SAP from Windows NT to Solaris
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:23:48 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:30:03 -0000),
the artist formerly known as Motswako said:
>We want to port SAP from an NT to a Unix platform.
>What are the pros and cons of doing this exercise!
>
>Is there any risk associated with this exercise !!!!
Are you talking about Novell's "Service Advertisor Protocol"?
If so, I'd suggest looking for one of {ipxripd, mars, lwared}, which
implement SAP servers that run on various flavors of Unix.
Alternatively, if you're thinking about a certain German company, then
you'll assortedly find that:
a) A company is not software, and is not amenable to a porting
exercise;
b) If you're thinking of an _application_ produced by such a company,
then, seeing as how it is not available in source code form, it is
spectacularly unlikely that you will be doing such a port.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "hex.net")
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/>
Why does the word "lisp" have an "s" in it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: placing java VM into kernal, good or bad ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:23:56 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:50:47 -0400),
the artist formerly known as Michael Mitchell said:
>Ulrich Pfisterer wrote:
>> I have heard that there are plans to place the java virtual machine
>> directly into the linux kernal. What are the good and bad points ?
>>
>> Where can I find out more about this ?
>
>What a ludicrous idea. Where did you hear this?
Some lunatics have doubtless suggested such a thing on various
occasions.
What _has_ been in the Linux kernel is something that, to the severely
clue-challenged, more or less equivalent, namely providing the ability
for the kernel to recognize that a program whose execution has been
requested is Java bytecode, and that rather than invoking Bash, the
kernel should invoke something like /usr/bin/javavm.
What this means is that the kernel has the ability to recognize that a
program is written in Java, and that it should then invoke a JVM _in
user space_ to run the program.
To the severely brain-damaged folks that too often tend to be
responsible for writing press releases, this might be _read_ to imply
"Java in the kernel."
But that would be a clear sign that the writer making the claim is
clueless, and should under no circumstances should you take them
seriously on anything requiring the tiniest amount of understanding of
technical matters.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "acm.org")
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/java.html>
Signs of a Klingon Programmer #7: "Klingon function calls do not have
'parameters' -- they have 'arguments' -- and they ALWAYS WIN THEM."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Memory clean up
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:24:02 GMT
In our last episode (23 Oct 2000 17:38:58 +0100),
the artist formerly known as Andreas K�h�ri said:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Guzzo wrote:
>>Question,
>>
>>When I run Netscape and StarOffice 5.2 (just using them as an
>>example) I end up using all of my RAM(128M) and about 64M Swap out
>>of 256M.
>
>Ok, those applications are notorious memory hogs.
Indeed.
>>After I close Netscape and StarOffice and even run gtop to make sure all
>>sure process for the two are closed, the memory is still all used up. Is
>>there any app that will release the memory like there is for Window$?
>
>You're not confusing "buffered" and "cached" memory with "used"
>memory, are you? Also, swapped out programs and data won't be
>"swapped in" again until they're needed. That might be why the swap
>is still used.
>
>What does the 'free' command say
>
>1. Before staring those applications.
>2. Before quitting the applications (using the quit/exit commands in
> their menus, not by killing their windows).
>3. After quitting the applications.
>
>It *is* possible there's a memory leak in either SO or NS.
... But keep in mind that when SO and/or NS are terminated, the memory
that they used to occupy should be returned to the system.
If they're dead, and the memory is still in use, then that would
indicate a memory leak in the Linux kernel, which would be a quite
distressing result.
As you observe, memory may indeed get used for other things that a
newcomer might not expect, notably for cacheing of files.
The other thing I'd check for is to see if NS/SO are _really and truly
gone_. If all the gentle user did was to minimize a window or two, so
some vestiges of NS/SO still remain, then it is quite possible that
they are still sitting there gobbling up memory.
Closing them cleanly using "quit/exit" menu options _should_ do the
trick; if the gentle user runs "top" and finds that there are still
processes there, that would indicate that there's some anonymous
window or bit of background process kicking around. At which point
"kill -9" becomes your friend...
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "ntlug.org")
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/>
"I have seen the future, and it does not work."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Murphy)
Subject: fsdext2 on large disk
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:45:47 GMT
Anybody using fsdext2 successfully to read Linux partitions below the 1024 cylinder
mark?
I'm replacing a 4.3GB (with fsdext2 working fine) and setting up on a 15GB drive. I've
got a 7.5GB Win95 partition that goes down well below 1024 cylinders. Since I also
boot
WinNT on a second disk, I was experimenting with different versions of LILO, chain
loaders, etc., so I've tried several configurations. I first had a small ext2
partition
mounted at /boot at the top of the disk. This partition was visible with fsdext2, but
the
main Linux partition (/dev/hda3) was not. Actually, mount.exe reports a successful
mounting of the partition. I can even change to the assigned drive letter, but a DIR
returns: "Path not found" I have a DOS port of ls, which reports: "run time error
R6003-integer divide by zero"
I really appreciated this handy little utility, and I hate to lose the ready access it
has
priovided. Unless I figure this out, I'll be forced to resort to "Explore2fs".
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:34 -0600
From: Warren Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Subject: Re: Linux PDA
James Omura wrote:
>
> According to
> the company's announcements, the Agenda was supposed to be
> available some time this month. It's over half way through the
> month and as far as I know, they haven't shipped yet, but they
> still have a week or two.
They're probably waiting for Fall COMDEX, which begins November 13.
--
= Warren -- ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Copying an 7GB-partition to an 8GB-partition
Date: 24 Oct 2000 04:06:19 GMT
Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to copy/moving anything on a 7GB-partition to an 8GB-partition.
> What's the best way to do it?
I assume you mean everything, not 'anything'. Use the backup tools:
cd /8gbpartition
dump -0af - /7gbpartition | restore -xf -
Make sure you have the latest dump/restore from dump.sourceforge.net.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:01 -0700
ext2 file system can only support files only up to 2 G.
Antony Mak wrote:
> Can anyone tell me whether Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater
> than 2 G?
>
> Antony
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Subject: Re: Linux PDA
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:03:18 -0400
Warren Young wrote:
> They're probably waiting for Fall COMDEX, which begins
> November 13.
> --
> = Warren -- ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W,
> alt. 1714m
They can keep holding back... In the mean time, I grab myself a Sony
Clie because I don't want to wait anymore...
Alex.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:18:06 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:39:19 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Thomas Forlenza said:
>Actually, I know many Attorneys (not that anyone cares) who use Word
>Perfect. It is largely used in the legal circuit. So, now that Claire's
>world theory is false, we can not trust much of anything else she say's.
WordPerfect _owned_ the world for a long time; unlike Word, it has always
had pretty decent interoperability between versions. The big problems
were twofold:
- There were people irritated at the near-monopoly control of WordPerfect;
those _not_ tied to legal document templates were happy to leap to Word,
and haven't quite figured out yet that when they jumped out of a frying
pan, they jumped into something else...
- Microsoft worked _hard_ to ensure the success of Word 2.0, and the
abject failure of WordPerfect 5.2. The worst-kept secret of the
mid-80s was that "it won't be a successful Windows 3.1 release until
it makes WordPerfect crash..."
>You can however get Word Perfect for Linux - it works fairly well (just save
>often). I use StarOffice and produce some good documents with it. I am not
>sure about Applixware, but it got decent reviews in Maximum Linux.
ApplixWare is more mature than any of them; perhaps not as "pretty/
Windows-like-in-interface," but it has the added merit of using a
data format that you can make sense out of using a text editor...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/wp.html>
"... the most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a
very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
-- D. E. Knuth, 1967
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:18:08 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:01 -0700),
the artist formerly known as E J said:
>ext2 file system can only support files only up to 2 G.
And you are basing this claim on precisely _what_ fount of ignorance?
ext2 supports files up to 2TB, and has done so for quite some time
now, throughout release 2.2.
There have been code fragments posted of late on
comp.os.linux.development.apps demonstrating the care and feeding of
"much larger than 2GB" files using the LFS interface.
You might look for the subject "64 bit file access" at deja.com, or
avail yourself of even more direct SuSE documentation available at:
<http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html>
Andreas Jaeger's page indicates that ext2 provides "full support for
LFS," and, more specifically, that SuSE 7.0 "supports LFS on all
supported platforms."
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The amount of beauty required to launch one ship.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Dial into Linux to access Internet through high speed connection
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:23:14 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a Linux box connected to the Internet through a DSL line. I have
>set up mgetty so that I can dial into my Linux box and log on. Can I
>set up Linux so that I can access the Internet through the DSL
>connection on my Linux box when I dial in from outside my office using a
>Windows machine?
Yes, just don't try to use the defaultroute pppd option on the dialin
server (but you should use it on the remote). That is the only way my
boss can get on the internet from home. He dials into our office LAN in
Illinois connected by frame relay to a Linux box our factory in California
which is connected by DSL to the internet. I use a modem on a Cisco
router for the dialin, but it worked as well with a Linux box with mgetty
for the dialin ppp server.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G?
Date: 24 Oct 2000 01:28:52 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, E J wrote:
> ext2 file system can only support files only up to 2 G.
s/ext2 file system/The VFS in Linux-2.2.* (and earlier)/
For discussion, see Christopher Browne's
http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxkernel.html
and search for "Large File" (or, more succinctly,
for "Alexander Viro").
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Does Linux (SuSE) filesystems support file greater than 2 G?
Date: 24 Oct 2000 05:32:25 GMT
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:01 -0700, E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ext2 file system can only support files only up to 2 G.
Time for the Viro LFS FAQ again:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Yaaaaargh... OK, it seems to become a FAQ
Q: is it true that ext2 has 2Gb limit on file size?
A: BS
Q: so how comes that I can't create files larger than that?
A: because VM in Linux 2.2 and earlier can't cope with files larger than
2.2 on 32-bit architectures. Regardless of filesystem.
Q: will reiserfs help?
A: what part of "regardless of filesystem" is too hard to understand?
Q: OK, so what can I do, I'm stuck with 32-bit box?
A: use 2.4 _or_ 2.2 with LFS patches _or_ FreeBSD. All of them will handle
more than 2Gb on ext2.
Q: I've done that, and half of utilities doesn't work
A: That was a question?
Q: OK, _why_?
A: because if libc thinks that offsets are 32 bit it's not going to pass
anything larger to the kernel
Q: what should I do?
A: get sufficiently recent libc. And learn to use search engines, already -
all that stuff had been beaten to death _many_ times.
Q: why...
A: excuse me, what was your username, again?
Q: ... are you so... Hey, what's up with this NIC? It's sparAAAAAASSSHHH<thud>
=============================================================================
Dave Cook
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From: "Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Screen Saver Question
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:34:32 GMT
That was it, I logged off as "root" and logged back on as a "user" and it
worked just fine! Thanks for your help.
Lamar
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8t233l$fpb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <6uvI5.345709$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How do you get the screen savers to work on RH 6.2 running X? My
> monitor
> > just goes blank after about 5 mins. no matter what screen saver I
> select!
>
> I found if running under account root. The screen saver does just what
> you describe... Try running under a normal account.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: libdbe.a for Debian
Date: 24 Oct 2000 01:43:44 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matt Garman wrote:
> I need the dbe module for xfree86. Apparently, this module typically
> lives in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a. I'm running a Debian
> 2.2 system with the xfree86 version 3.3.6 package installed. But my
> system does not even have a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules directory.
It looks like you do get that directory by installing the xext package
(see http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages), but not a libdbe.a file.
Perhaps it's a XFree86 4.0 thing, in which case you should see the (Debian)
X Strike Force page at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ .
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Problem Building Ghostscript on RH6.1
Date: 24 Oct 2000 01:47:38 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve wrote:
> /bin/sh <./obj/ldt.tr
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXt
It should be looking for the file (really, symbolic link) located (on
Linux) at /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so. You should get this by installing the
X development package.
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Paul Kimoto
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