Linux-Misc Digest #217, Volume #24 Thu, 20 Apr 00 18:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: mail server (Robie Basak)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: linux install with NT? (Robie Basak)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: Wanted: driver for Apple LaserWriter IIg (Apple Advertising)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Se�n � Donnchadha)
Re: Windows 2000 & Linux (Apple Advertising)
Re: Win4Lin (Jim Tom Polk)
Re: efax and automatically printing incoming faxes (Apple Advertising)
Re: Has anyone used LINEO (Leif)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Paul Lew)
help with tar (Otavio Exel)
Using hdc as a file dump (jafgon)
Drawing Program? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
gnucash - Is it useful for stock portfolios? (Jim Cochrane)
Re: Windows 2000 & Linux ("Joseph")
Re: newbie question (Josef Oswald)
Re: Best printer for linux box? (Raymond N Shwake)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: mail server
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 Apr 2000 20:15:20 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:30:09 GMT, amy said:
>How does linux perform as a mail server? Is it stable? Security is not
Mail systems are built in to just about every UNIX, BSD and GNU/Linux
distribution.
It's never crashed on me.
>necessarily an issue, as we will be using a security appliance to connect
>our VPN tunnels. I haven't dealt much with Linux, and I wondering if this
>is viable solution for a customer who doesn't have a lot spend for a mail
>server.
Yes (free), as long as you (or someone else) are willing to spend some
time with it.
>
>--
>Posted via CNET Help.com
>http://www.help.com/
Robie.
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 20 Apr 2000 21:17:03 GMT
I'm sorry, but all this brings to mind the image of grapes and a
general feeling of sourness.
It was first argued - with examples! - that Microsoft had invented so
many new stuff that the American government would better leave them
alone to do their stuff.
So far, _each_and_every_one_ of the examples - given by a Winvocate! -
has been debunked, so the argument must now be that Microsoft does not
invent as such (because that kind of stuff cannot be done anymore), as
well innovate.
So suddenly the optical pad-less mouse, the squiggly, on-line spelling
checker and whatever else was put forward are no longer great
inventions? Merely because it was not Microsoft who invented them?
Am I the only one who finds this kind of reasoning strange, to put it
mildly?
<btolder> wrote:
>
> <jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)> wrote in message
> news:L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-g60SnTWcPduI@localhost...
>
> > The original claim was that Microsoft was an innovator. Their optical
> > mouse was forwarded by a winvocate as an example of a Microsoft
> > original invention. That has been proven not to be the case. Maybe you
> > have a better example? ("kick the crap out" probably doesn't count as
> > an innovation)
>
> Sorry to say, but pure invention seldom exists anymore. It seems to be
> getting old, but can I ask what you consider the best 10 inventions of the
> 90's?
>
> I'd argue that everything innovative we see anymore is merely integration of
> existing known inventions (and each of those, also, are merely integrations
> of things that are known). However, it is the innovation that makes them
> more interesting.
>
> The definition of innovation, thus, is not "inventing something out of thin
> air", but instead the ability to "deliver a bunch of disjoint technologies
> in an economical fashion that is exciting to the user". The 'C' language,
> cars, Java, TCP, cellphones, etc. fall into the latter category. The FET
> transistor (c. early 1900s) falls into the former category.
>
> Note the dictionary definition of innovation is to "introduce as if new."
> The "as if" part pretty much captures what I stated in the previous
> paragraph.
>
> > I do give them the "squiggly lines", though. Great stuff. <G>
>
> My English prof used to do this. I don't see how squiggly lines to mark an
> error is anything new. However, it is very nice to have in a word processor.
>
>
>
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
========================================================
CIA-bait:
Saddam Hussein Iraq Iran hijack assasinate CIA plutonium
President of the United States thermonuclear device
Windows weapons FBI biohazard Microsoft uranium
submarine kill timer explosives
Have a nice day, guys!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: linux install with NT?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 Apr 2000 20:17:23 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:09:48 +0100, John said:
>Hi
>
>Could someone advise me please - I have just added a second HDA to my
>system, so have HDA0 as a dual boot WIN98/NT setup and would like to load
>Linux redhat 6.0 to the second disc. How do I do this without corrupting my
>Windows disc, can someone advise me please?
Redhat will give you the option of not writing to the MBR on your first
disk; but you'll probably want to if you want to boot Linux.
AFAIK there's a HOWTO on exactly this; see http://linuxdoc.org.
>
>Many thanks
>
>John
>
>
Robie.
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 20 Apr 2000 21:22:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak) wrote:
>
> The thing is, though, that this doesn't really work to separate the
> editing from WYSIWIG; what if you were working on a document which is
> to be printed in colour and is to have squiggly underlining? So
> is this such a brilliant innovation anyway?
>
I didn't say anything about the usefulness of red underlining.
For the record, I find all on-the-go spell checkers crap. I said
before that they give writers the false illusion they no longer need
to proofread their material, something which not only helps to clear
out typos, but will give the author a - sometimes much needed -
opportunity to re-examine his reasonings (or the lack thereof).
> What you _really_ need is to have a spelling error underline which
> colour cycles; this won't appear on paper, so an operator can tell the
> difference.
>
Whatever. The stuff good old WP 5.1 for DOS had worked well enough.
> But who needs Word anyway when there's latex?
>
I no longer engage in religious discussions.
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
========================================================
CIA-bait:
Saddam Hussein Iraq Iran hijack assasinate CIA plutonium
President of the United States thermonuclear device
Windows weapons FBI biohazard Microsoft uranium
submarine kill timer explosives
Have a nice day, guys!
========================================================
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From: Apple Advertising <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Wanted: driver for Apple LaserWriter IIg
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:19:54 -0700
Another option (like I do) is to look at gs (ghostscript). It has several
features for converting files to postscript format (that the LaserWriter IIg
is), then sending them to the printer.
For direct connection, the IIg should have a parallel port/serial port
connection to plug right into the linux box, for network connection, there
are several alternatives. Look at the printing-howto in the section about
printing to remote/network printers.
For a specific driver, just tell RH that it's a postscript printer (and you
may want to look at how to tell it to run at 600DPI as well).
-Ken
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From: Se�n � Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:31:31 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake) wrote:
>
>There's really no excuse for *any* version of Windows to be unreliable.
>
How about the fact that Windows runs on commodity hardware and uses
device drivers produced by hardware manufacturers possessing poor
software skills, locked in intense competition with their peers, and
willing to cut any corner they can to be the first to market with some
new feature or shave a few microseconds off the benchmark result?
>
>By the time Windows was designed, stable multi-user, multi-tasking
>operating systems had been around for decades.
>
Uh huh, and they ran on hardware platforms that were tightly
controlled by the OS vendor. Even Linux, which runs on commodity
hardware, uses device drivers that were written by caring hackers
without the pressures of cutthroat commercial competition.
MS haters just don't get it. Windows is no more (and usually less)
buggy than anything else out there. Its stability is directly related
to hardware and device driver quality. In the case of Win9x, due to
that OS's lack of robustness, applications play a part as well.
If you appreciate Linux for its stability, you'd better hope it
doesn't become the dominant OS. Because if it gets popular enough for
the hardware manufacturers to get a hold of it, you can kiss that
stability goodbye.
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From: Apple Advertising <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 & Linux
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:29:35 -0700
Kwizatz Haderach wrote:
> Problem Solved. Boot.ini isnot visible in Windows 2000. You have to switch
> to the Command Prompt to locate it. Microsoft, why????
Security by obscurity ;`)
- Ken
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From: Jim Tom Polk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win4Lin
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:37:11 -0500
Sound, MS Networking and DirectX are planned implementations for future
versions based on customer requests, so it seems that many people feel
the same about sound.
Since I steer all my client's websites away from sound, I seldom need
that. This will only become an issue when we get a customer who wishes
to have a flash enabled site and we will need to author and test it. I
basically feel that multimedia authoring, since it is so CPU/RAM
intensive, should be done in the authoring softwares native Operating
System.
The only long term concern is that as new features are added to win4lin,
that we feature creep right back to running Windows, with all it's
problems. As I've discovered that Windows under win4lin is much more
stable by letting Linux handle the networking. I don't know if the
proposed new implementations (sound, ms networking and directx) can be
handed off to Linux, just like networking, leading to a more stable and
robust implementation of Windows. I hope that is the case.
Andy Longton wrote:
>
>
> I'm interested in Win4Lin, but find that lack of sound
> support is a big deal.
>
> Primarily, I know some people who think they need to use
> Windows or a Mac, and won't consider Linux unless they have
> assurances that they can run all the programs they might
> be interested in. 3D support isn't an issue, yet.
>
> Does anyone know when sound support will be added?
--
Jim Tom Polk -:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- http://camalott.com/~jtpolk/
''You might as well fall flat on your face as
lean over too far backwards.'' --James Thurber--
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three
elements: energy, matter and enlightened self-interest."
- G'Kar "Survivors"
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From: Apple Advertising <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: efax and automatically printing incoming faxes
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:41:07 -0700
IF you look under /usr/doc/efax<insert efax version number here>
(optionally, go to /usr/doc, then $ls -d efa* to see which directory it's
under), there's a README that should tell you how efax was installed.
Basically, it should include a shell script called "fax" that allows you to
redirect your incoming fax file to your printer.
- Ken
Rod Pike wrote:
> I'm setting up efax to send and receive faxes. I would like to know how
> to automatically print a fax that has been received. Any ideas or
> pointers?
>
> Cheers,
> Rod
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From: Leif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Has anyone used LINEO
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:48:54 -0400
Yeah, I tried Embedix out for fun. Still looking for a decent OS for
control!
Really simple to install from 4-5 floppy disks. You don't have to enter
much personal data really (or just put in bogus info).
The only snag was having to run fdisk which may strike terror into Linux
newbies. I was running it on a scrap drive anyway, and the instructions
are pretty good.
Also brush up on your vi skills.
Networking, web server, etc. were much easier to set up than on some
"full" distributions. Just uncomment something in the relevant text
file.
OS for control update:
Embedded NT: Bloated, slow, too long to boot, can't boot read/only
QNX: 10x too much for our application, hardly any device drivers
Pharlap: Doesn't support our hardware.
SoftPLC: No remote programming.
DOS: No multitasking, no network access (telnet etc).
DR-DOS: Hardly any device drivers.
Windows CE: Are you kidding? No required hardware support at all
anyway.
Beos: Hardly any device drivers
Embedix/Linux: Again, drivers, also hard to create execs. that run
under the modified kernels. (especially with Win32 development)
Regards
Leif
Ishikawa wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The followng is a repost of an inquiry which I posted to a few
> Linux-related
> groups. Any comments on the LINEO embedix (RTOS version of Linux)
> will be appreciated.
> I put the followup-to newsgroup to comp.os.linux.misc for now.
>
> Since I posted the inquiry, there have been no follow-up yet.
>
> ==============
>
> Subject: Has anyone used LINEO ?
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:31 +0900
> From: Ishikawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: RIMNET InterNetNews site
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,
> comp.os.linux.development.system, comp.os.liux.questions
> Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc
>
> www.lineo.com distributes "embedix" which
> is an embedded version of linux.
>
> Has anyone used it and would like to share the
> "feel" of the distribution?
>
> Since the download requires input private information before we can
> do so, I would rather find out how the distribution works.
> One article found via deja.com search mentioned it lacked
> DiskOnChip driver.
>
> But other than that, I can't find any mention of the
> size, ease of installation, functionality, etc..
>
> Anyone?
--
Leif Bloomquist B.A.Sc.
Research and Development Engineer
Automated Mining Systems Inc.
Aurora, Ontario, Canada
Phone: (905) 713-3700 x713
Fax: (905) 713-3708
leifb (at) robominer (dot) com
http://www.robominer.com
My opinions not my employer's, eh.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:06:51 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 Se�n � Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>......
>MS haters just don't get it. Windows is no more (and usually less)
>buggy than anything else out there. Its stability is directly related
>to hardware and device driver quality. In the case of Win9x, due to
>that OS's lack of robustness, applications play a part as well.
> .....
There is a HUGE bug in the winnt that ms doesn't admit or will fix and
that is the filesystem id of "7" for ntfs; it is the same filesystem id
as hpfs for os/2. Now, since ms says they created hpfs for os/2, did
they "just had a BIG bug" or did ms selected "7" in order to kill os/2
and "innovations" for os/2??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otavio Exel)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user
Subject: help with tar
Date: 20 Apr 2000 21:21:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hello all,
warning: I'm afraid (not sure) this is a Debian specific problem.
I'm doing a tar.gz of my root partition for backup purposes;
the exact command I'm using is:
tar -clz / -f /whatever/root.tar.gz
a subsequent
tar -tzvf /whatever/root.tar.gz
outputs
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2000-04-12 12:15
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-08-16 19:50 lost+found/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-08-18 22:31 usr/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-09-30 13:35 var/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2000-03-03 11:41 boot/
[snip rest of output]
as you can see the first line shows an empty entry!
in the case of a total HD crash I'll have to restore using 'zcat' and
'star' from the Debian boot disks; I guess 'tar' can handle this empty
entry nicely but I remember 'star' choked on it the last time I needed
it (I don't remember the exact error message);
how do I exclude this empty entry for the tar file?
TIA!
--
Otavio Exel /<\oo/>\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: jafgon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using hdc as a file dump
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:23:10 -0400
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Greetings group,
My current system is setup with my main HD as hda, the CDROM as hdb and
a 428MB HD as hdc (according to LILO). I would like to use the 428MB HD
as a sort of storage bin for all my tarballs and mp3's which are
currently taking up alot of room on my main harddrive. Being aware that
this process might be beyond the scope of USENET help could somebody
point me in the right direction to a HOW-TO? If it's a pretty straight
forward process, how do I go about doing this? Thanks in advance.
Josh Flechtner
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
http://www.bright.net/~jafgon
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<html>
Greetings group,
<p>My current system is setup with my main HD as hda, the CDROM as
hdb and a 428MB HD as hdc (according to LILO). I would like to use
the 428MB HD as a sort of storage bin for all my tarballs and mp3's
which are currently taking up alot of room on my main harddrive. Being
aware that this process might be beyond the scope of USENET help could
somebody point me in the right direction to a HOW-TO? If it's a pretty
straight forward process, how do I go about doing this? Thanks in advance.
<p>Josh Flechtner
<br>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<pre>--
<A HREF="http://www.bright.net/~jafgon">http://www.bright.net/~jafgon</A></pre>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Drawing Program?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:29:19 GMT
Is there a drawing program similar in concept to SmartDraw or Visio
available or soon to be available for Linux?
b&b
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: gnucash - Is it useful for stock portfolios?
Date: 20 Apr 2000 15:46:10 -0600
[Apologies if any of these are inappropriate newsgroups. Suggestions for
a more appropriate NG are appreciated.]
How good is gnucash's stock portfolio functionality? Can it be used
effectively to keep track of one's trades and how much one has made or
lost, etc.?
I would just try it out, but it looks like it may take some time and pain
to install it on Suse 6.3, so I thought I'd ask before I check it out.
Thanks!
--
Jim Cochrane
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 & Linux
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:51:45 -0400
MS is a easy OS to use because they hold your hand a lot. Ocassionally ,
they have to shield you from the big "bad" world of computers. That's why
critical files like boot.ini is not easily visible.
You can sometimes mark a partition as active, but forget to make it
visible. In this case , the "Hidden active" partition is booted , and NT's
boot loader is not able to see inside the partition. That's when you get
messages lile "NTLDR not found" or something similar, when you should have
booted up normaly.
Personally, I'd leave NT's boot loader alone and use something more simple
to configure and well documented : lilo. Let it be the os selector : Linux
or win : and then when you choose win , the windows partition is jumped to,
which contains the NT boot loader , which then works admirably with M$
systems.
Good luck.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: newbie question
From: Josef Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:49:59 GMT
adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> josef,
>
> thanks for the response.
>
> yes, i think the rtl8139 driver is what i need. it is offered on the
> smc website for this card. so, i'm off to read the kernel howto right
> now. since i have a dual-boot system, i am hoping that i will be able
> to save a copy of the driver in windows and read the floppy in linux.
> or, is there a way to access my windows file system through linux?
Yes of course you need just to put something like this in your
/etc/fstab
/dev/hdaX /mnt/winx vfat defaults 0 0
You need to check your partitions and then create the directory
/mnt/winx ( or give it any name you like) with this you would be all set
to access your wi-files...
hth :-)
>
> i'll let you know if and WHEN i need more help.
>
> regards,
> adam
>
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Josef Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I checked with the SuSE Hardware base ( since I am running SuSE and
> > there is only a 1211 (no _tx_) 100Mbit a driver is listed as
> rtl8139....
> >
> > Could it be that you need to compile your kernel and use the RealTeK
> > 8139 driver..
> >
> > I checked with make xconfig and the above Card is listed in
> > Western-Digital as 8139 support try that if it works :-)
> > sorry I wish I could help you more :-/
> >
> > if you need help in compiling the kernel just let me know :-)
> >
> > hth :-)
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Josef Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
registered-linux-user # 13.818 at http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raymond N Shwake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.periphs.printers
Subject: Re: Best printer for linux box?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:23:28 GMT
"The Wogster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Are there Linux drivers for the Optra-40? Lexmark is notorious for it's
>worship of the great god Micro$oft and Bill Gates, the prophet.
>John Hong wrote in message <8dgh50$9ap$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> Easy...just get the cheapest postscript printer available.
>>Lately, it appears to be the Lexmark Optra 40.
If I worked for Lexmark I'd take offense at this comment. It's true
that the consumer Lexmark printers are intended for the Windows market, but
the same can be said for HP, Epson and Canon. On the other hand, the Optra
series, given their on-board PCL and PS processors, are OS-agnostic. Their
Markvision print management software runs on a slew of Unix and Linux
platforms, not just Windows.
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