Linux-Misc Digest #345, Volume #24 Tue, 2 May 00 15:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux and SCO (Bill Vermillion)
Re: KDE vs Gnome? (Gerald Willmann)
Re: hosts.lpd wildcards / was:remote printing... (Nicolas Eymerich)
Re: Sorry, need help with simple linux questions from a newbie (Joachim Feise)
Re: Need some help in choice of mail clients. (Robie Basak)
Re: inetd, named, httpd when to start and stop. (Leonard Evens)
Re: Creating diskette image ? (Jeff Workman)
Re: Repartitioning an existing Linux Mandrake 6.1 system - Help needed! (Aharon
Weidner)
Re: Need some help in choice of mail clients. (Madhusudan Singh)
Re: IRQs - can someone give the definitive answer please? (Tim Hockin)
Re: Repartitioning an existing Linux Mandrake 6.1 system - Help needed! ("Peter T.
Breuer")
Re: Linux Distributions and source ? (Robert Heller)
dump and restore autoloader support (Kerry Cox)
Re: Uptime monitoring utility (brian moore)
Re: Linux Distributions and source ? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Interested in purchasing a Linux OS (Bob)
Re: IRQs - can someone give the definitive answer please? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Interested in purchasing a Linux OS ("Peter T. Breuer")
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Linux and SCO
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:22:25 GMT
In article <0uCP4.20219$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T.E.Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.unix.sco.misc Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <GjAP4.20195$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> T.E.Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>I'm not at home either: I recall this as control/backarrow though,
>>>rather than shift/backarrow.
>> Well that would be strange mapping in a VT environment. In a
>> terminal environment if based on the classic hardware
>> implementation where the control key just forced the top 3 bits
>> to 0 level - if backspace ( you said back arrow - so I hope you are
>> talking about what is called the backspace key as opposed to the
>( yes ;-)
>> left-arrow key - they are not the same) then if the non-shifted
>> BS/del key gave you ^? (0177/0x7f/127d) then the control backspace
>> would give you "us" (0037,0x1f,31d).
>there are exceptions for some terminals (control/shift/6 aka
>control/uparrow)
Actually that is control caret - up-arrow is typically associated
with a keypad/arrow controls and is usually an escape sequence
though Wyse 50's programmed the left-arrow to be Control H as well
as backspace to be control H, and that broke such things as spread
sheets which expected both keyb to generated different codes.
control ^ (aka shift 6) generates 0036/0x1e/30d/ - or 'rs'. Don't
have a manual delineating the abbreviations - but the control
shift 6 would be used in the original Xenix (as I recall - and I'm
prepared to be corrected) to kill a program and dump core. That
was one of the few ways to get out of a locked Xenix program.
OTOH I once did some work on an interactive videodisk application
where the ONLY input devices were light-pen and mouse. That surely
elminated a lot keyboard problems :-)
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Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs Gnome?
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:52:08 -0700
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Pal Dahle wrote:
> Can anyone please inform me what the differences between KDE and Gnome
> *really* are? What are the advantages/disadvantages of either system.
> Which one should I use as a newbie or as an experienced user? Is either
> one better for development etc?
the disadvantages of both are that they are memory hungry and that they
try to make linux easier than it is. Start without them using some simple
window manager like twm or wm2 and once you know the system feel free to
make your life easier - I use tkdesk now :)
just my 2 cents, Gerald
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From: Nicolas Eymerich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hosts.lpd wildcards / was:remote printing...
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:51:04 GMT
>> Somebody know if (and how) is possible to have
>> wildcards in /etc/hosts.lpd?
> No IP addresses, no wildcards, no aliases. FQDN
> (fully qualified domain names)
How can I implement a more flexible printer access
policy? I want the every user from certain domain can
use the printer, while only some user from another
domain is allowed to print.
There are others lp daemon around?
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From: Joachim Feise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Sorry, need help with simple linux questions from a newbie
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:05:20 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Damon wrote:
>
> Thanks Joachim,
>
> But i don't know why mcopy didn't work. When i go to /mnt/floppy and do a
> ls, i can see the file but it's just not on the floppy diskette.
When using the mtools, *don't* mount the floppy.
And your kernel of course needs to have fat support compiled in, but I think
all distros have their kernel built this way.
-Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Need some help in choice of mail clients.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2 May 2000 17:20:07 GMT
On Mon, 1 May 2000 22:27:35 -0400, Madhusudan Singh said:
>Hi
> I have a university account on a Debian (potato) system. I read my
>email currently using pine. However, for entirely non-technical reasons, I
>wish to be able to install a GUI based mail client in my own login area. I
>do not have or can acquire super user privileges for installation /
>running of the mail client.
No, you don't need super-user priviledges to install any program, in
general (except su or something :-)
> My local system is a Solaris machine, and my mail boxes are
>located on the remote Debian machine. Since I wish to process my mail
>entirely on the remote server with a setenv DISPLAY kind of procedure on
>the remote machine, I will have to install the mail client on the remote
>machine.
> Any ideas about the choice of a mail client ? I want it be
>functional like kmail (installation of KDE is impossible as parts of it
>require super user privileges).
No it doesn't.
Install from source, configure using:
./configure --prefix=~/kde
then
make && mkdir ~/kde && make install.
You only need kdelibs and kdenetwork, AFAIK. You don't even need
kdenetwork if you get kmail from http://devel-home.kde.org/~kmail
HTH,
Robie.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: inetd, named, httpd when to start and stop.
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:43:40 -0500
"Thaddeus L. Olczyk" wrote:
>
> Question is simple enough. THese weren't setup to start at boot by my
> instal, so is there a place where the "standard" way of setting up the
> startup scripts should be written?
For RedHat, try linuxconf or chekconfig.
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Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Subject: Re: Creating diskette image ?
From: Jeff Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 02 May 2000 12:30:50 -0400
Andre-John Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Could someone tell me how a can make a disk image file from a
> diskette, ie I have diskette and I want to make a file out of
> it? I believe I can use dd to do this, but I am not
> experienced enough to know how to do this.
>
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=filename.img.or.whatever
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From: Aharon Weidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Repartitioning an existing Linux Mandrake 6.1 system - Help needed!
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:30:09 GMT
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Lars=2DG=F6ran?= Andersson wrote:
>
>
>
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> > rmdir /mnt
> > mkdir /var/mnt
> > ln -s /var/mnt /mnt
> >
> > Peter
>
> Thank you!
>
> Was it that easy? I havn't tested it yet.
> I thought that it was necessary to keep the dir-tree intact.
>
> Ok, I will test it as soon as possible but I still got the feeling that
> I've made the '/'- partition to small and might need to resize it. Do
> you know any way to do that? I suppose that it can be some hard work but
> don't know where to begin.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lars-Gran Andersson.
>
>
If you really need to repartition the partition the drive I would do one of
two things, either backup the partitions between /dev/hda6 and /dev/hda11
to one of your Linux partitions (use cp -av /source /destination then
when you are finished you may need to restore your boot records). Then I
would resize or move thos partitions down 106 MB on the drive and create a
new root partiion towards the end of the drive (along with your other Linux
partitions). If you keep you linux partitions together, and you Windows
partitions together then it will make it much easier on you in the future
when you need resize partitions in the future. If you need more help just
send me an E-Mail and I will be happy to give you more specific
instructions.
Aharon
Senior Support Technician
The PC Doctor / Iron-Bridge Communications
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From: Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need some help in choice of mail clients.
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:34:01 -0400
Thanks for your response. I will try this out and get back to you.
Madhusudan Singh.
On 2 May 2000, Robie Basak wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2000 22:27:35 -0400, Madhusudan Singh said:
> >Hi
> > I have a university account on a Debian (potato) system. I read my
> >email currently using pine. However, for entirely non-technical reasons, I
> >wish to be able to install a GUI based mail client in my own login area. I
> >do not have or can acquire super user privileges for installation /
> >running of the mail client.
>
> No, you don't need super-user priviledges to install any program, in
> general (except su or something :-)
>
> > My local system is a Solaris machine, and my mail boxes are
> >located on the remote Debian machine. Since I wish to process my mail
> >entirely on the remote server with a setenv DISPLAY kind of procedure on
> >the remote machine, I will have to install the mail client on the remote
> >machine.
> > Any ideas about the choice of a mail client ? I want it be
> >functional like kmail (installation of KDE is impossible as parts of it
> >require super user privileges).
>
> No it doesn't.
>
> Install from source, configure using:
> ./configure --prefix=~/kde
> then
> make && mkdir ~/kde && make install.
>
> You only need kdelibs and kdenetwork, AFAIK. You don't even need
> kdenetwork if you get kmail from http://devel-home.kde.org/~kmail
>
> HTH,
> Robie.
>
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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IRQs - can someone give the definitive answer please?
Date: 2 May 2000 17:34:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: parallel printer, along with a modem, the diaplay adaptor, sound card,
: games controller and the floppy disk (etc - get the pciture?), you're
: normally left with, at best, IRQs 10, 11, 12 and maybe 6 or 7.
The PC has 255 interrupts. 32 are CPU exceptions, and 16 are
reserved for hardware. so we have 16 interrupts.
: All of which is background for the gurus out there to pull apart and
: comment on. The number one question though is: Can you make more than
: one device share an IRQ?
The PCI 2.1 spec says all PCI devices should be able to share IRQs. PCI
has exactly 4 (count-em FOUR) INT# lines on the bus (INTA#-INTD#), and the
PCI spec is very clear as to how these are allocated. It is up to BIOS
writiers/hardware designers to route the right INT# lines to the right
devices and set up IRQs right. Because you can certainly have more than 4
PCI devices using interrupts, you can safely assume that the spec accounts
for it. Now, if the OS or device isn't happy about shared interrupts, it
is a different story. Linux, however, does (see struct irqaction in
interrupt.h).
: I tried to make my soundblaster card share IRQ5 with my 3COM network
ISA cards have no standard for IRQs. If they are both PCI, I'd
instinctively call it a bug.
: the opposite conclusion: You can share IRQs but it's a bad idea to share
: an IRQ between two very active devices.
this is common sense - every interrupt, you need to check all devices on
that IRQ. If two devices are generating lots of interrupts and sharing an
IRQ, you waste a lot of time figuring out which device gets serviced.
: So, what is the correct, definitive answer to this issue? Is the PC IRQ
: system a caring, sharing environment, or, like the raptors in Jurassic
NOTHING in the PC architecture is caring. But nice things like PCI really
show that the hardware world either pulled their heads out of their
collective asses, or finally invited some software guys to the meetings.
--
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Repartitioning an existing Linux Mandrake 6.1 system - Help needed!
Date: 2 May 2000 17:44:54 GMT
Aharon Weidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lars=2DG=F6ran?= Andersson wrote:
:> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
:>
:> > rmdir /mnt
:> > mkdir /var/mnt
:> > ln -s /var/mnt /mnt
:> >
:> Was it that easy? I havn't tested it yet.
:> I thought that it was necessary to keep the dir-tree intact.
:>
: If you really need to repartition the partition the drive I would do one of
But he doesn't. Whatever he is installing is unpacking itself on /mnt,
so it needs space on /mnt. If he points his /mnt at someplace
in /var (he has 1GB of space free in the /var partition), then all will
be hunky dory. Nothing else required, for the moment ...
: new root partiion towards the end of the drive (along with your other Linux
: partitions). If you keep you linux partitions together, and you Windows
: partitions together then it will make it much easier on you in the future
: when you need resize partitions in the future. If you need more help just
Unless, he uses softraid or lvm to manage his space, like the rest of us
(in future).
Peter
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and source ?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:46:44 GMT
Andre-John Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Tue, 02 May 2000 16:11:39 GMT, wrote :
AM> Hi,
AM>
AM> Can someone tell me which distributions come with the source
AM> code for the packaged utilities. I know Redhat does, though
AM> I am not sure for Suse and the others?
AM>
AM> Andre
They all do. For RedHat it is on the *second* CD (a complete RedHat
distribution is a two CD set). Note: for most of the $1.89 single CDs,
the CD only has the binaries -- 90% of the time most people don't need
all of the sources. All of the sources are available for downloading
from the various distribution sites. Generally, most people only need
random selected source packages and most "experts" just get the binary
CD (either by downloading the ISO image or buying the $1.89 single CDs)
and then download the source packages on a case-by-case basis. Note:
the kernel itself includes sources on the *binary* CD.
Generally, if you buy a boxed set, the source CD will be included as
part of the set.
*Some* of the distributions include *commercial* packages -- sources for
these packages are probably NOT included (I.e. Corel Linux includes
WordPerfect and RedHat includes Netscape). These packages won't have
corresponding sources on the source CD. But there should be sources for
everything else.
AM>
AM> --
AM> http://www.bigfoot.com/~ajmas/
AM>
AM>
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AM> Before you buy.
AM>
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From: Kerry Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: dump and restore autoloader support
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:54:37 -0600
Are there any specific instructions you can give dump fordoing
autoloader support. I have an HP auotoloader that holds 6 4mm tapes.
Just wondering if I can set it so that it will run multiple cron jobs
and do backups on several machines in one night without any manual
assistance.
Dump and restore work just fine when one tape is selected and loaded,
but I'd like it to rotate through the other tapes as well. I know
ufsdump does this, but I'd like to know if the latest dump, rpm release
dump-0.4b15-1 running Red Hat Linux 6.1 on a Athlon 600 with 128 MBs of
RAM.
Thanks.
KJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Uptime monitoring utility
Date: 2 May 2000 17:58:42 GMT
On Tue, 2 May 2000 12:21:28 +0200,
Peet Grobler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello there.
>
> I'm in need of the following utilities (open-source preferred), but it must
> be freely available.
>
> I need a uptime monitor, for monitoring machine uptime, or, actually
> preferred network device (e.g. eth0) uptime. Or network programs, e.g. inetd
> or rpc.portmap uptime.
>
> Any such thing available?
Yes. Run ucd-snmpd on the machine(s) you want to monitor, and mon on the
machine you want to do the monitoring. You could monitor whatever you
want to as well (such as free disk space, etc).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and source ?
Date: 2 May 2000 14:25:16 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8emuna$a19$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andre-John Mas wrote:
> Can someone tell me which distributions come with the source
> code for the packaged utilities.
Debian: ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source and thereabouts.
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interested in purchasing a Linux OS
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:30:07 GMT
>
> Don't bother. If you "can't access KDE" then you messed up bad, pure
> and simple., and you should fix it.
>
> Just answer these questions:
>
> 1) can you log in at the console (give the parameter "2" at the lilo
> boot. E.g "linux 2")?
>
> 2) once at the console, can you run X (type /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_VGA16)?
>
> 3) can you run X using the correct server (type
> /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA or whatevever)?
>
> 4) can you run X using the symlink to the correct server (type X)?
>
> 5) can you run X and start the kde services on top of it
> (edit .xinitrc to contain the word startkde, make it executable
> with chmod, and type startx)?
>
> Give the error messages if there are any.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
I apologize - I guess I didn't explain my problem real well.
I installed SuSE 6.4 using their YaST2 tool. This tool nicely automates
the install procedure. At the end of the install, you have to log in to
the KDE desktop. This worked fine and everything seemed functional. I
then exited out of KDE and did a 'shutdown'.
But...after I re-booted and attempted to log in again, the KDE desktop did
not show any icons (as if my system configuration was lost) and my mouse
was useless (note that after the install the mouse worked and the icons
were present). I was forced to power off/power on as I couldn't figure
out how to "gracefully" get out of KDE using just the keyboard.
I haven't tried to login again for fear the same thing will happen.
Bob
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IRQs - can someone give the definitive answer please?
Date: 02 May 2000 14:28:06 -0400
Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : parallel printer, along with a modem, the diaplay adaptor, sound card,
> : games controller and the floppy disk (etc - get the pciture?), you're
> : normally left with, at best, IRQs 10, 11, 12 and maybe 6 or 7.
>
> The PC has 255 interrupts. 32 are CPU exceptions, and 16 are
> reserved for hardware. so we have 16 interrupts.
less one required for the cascade (bringing 8 to 15) and less another
due to legacy FPU exception brain damage. this makes 14 possible.
there's the fixed allocations from the beginning of time,
subtract a timer, a keyboard, a mouse, a clock.
and then we have IO-APIC....
> : All of which is background for the gurus out there to pull apart and
> : comment on. The number one question though is: Can you make more than
> : one device share an IRQ?
>
> The PCI 2.1 spec says all PCI devices should be able to share IRQs. PCI
> has exactly 4 (count-em FOUR) INT# lines on the bus (INTA#-INTD#),
let me get this straight, iow if you've got 5 pci cards, *something*
*has* to give. right?
> and the
> PCI spec is very clear as to how these are allocated. It is up to BIOS
> writiers/hardware designers to route the right INT# lines to the right
> devices and set up IRQs right. Because you can certainly have more than 4
> PCI devices using interrupts, you can safely assume that the spec accounts
> for it. Now, if the OS or device isn't happy about shared interrupts, it
> is a different story. Linux, however, does (see struct irqaction in
> interrupt.h).
btw what is the penalty for this? i've got a pair of scsi controllers
sharing an interrupt. they seem perfectly happy. is there any
performance loss? if so, is it negligible?
> NOTHING in the PC architecture is caring. But nice things like PCI really
> show that the hardware world either pulled their heads out of their
> collective asses, or finally invited some software guys to the
> meetings.
i think the hardware guys woke up to the fact that if you can't add
more hardware, you probably wouldn't be buying more.
--
johan kullstam l72t00052
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interested in purchasing a Linux OS
Date: 2 May 2000 18:47:21 GMT
Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Don't bother. If you "can't access KDE" then you messed up bad, pure
:> and simple., and you should fix it.
:>
:> Just answer these questions:
:>
:> 1) can you log in at the console (give the parameter "2" at the lilo
:> boot. E.g "linux 2")?
:>
:> 2) once at the console, can you run X (type /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_VGA16)?
:>
:> 3) can you run X using the correct server (type
:> /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA or whatevever)?
:>
:> 4) can you run X using the symlink to the correct server (type X)?
:>
:> 5) can you run X and start the kde services on top of it
:> (edit .xinitrc to contain the word startkde, make it executable
:> with chmod, and type startx)?
: I apologize - I guess I didn't explain my problem real well.
: I installed SuSE 6.4 using their YaST2 tool. This tool nicely automates
: the install procedure. At the end of the install, you have to log in to
Log in as WHO? Root? Some user you created?
: the KDE desktop. This worked fine and everything seemed functional. I
: then exited out of KDE and did a 'shutdown'.
: But...after I re-booted and attempted to log in again, the KDE desktop did
Log in as WHO?
: not show any icons (as if my system configuration was lost) and my mouse
That's no problem. No icons just means that kfm didn't start up. That's
a no-brainer. Start it. It's pretty delicate and liable to die at
any malformation of the config files under .kde/.... .
: was useless (note that after the install the mouse worked and the icons
That's also trivial. Don't worry about it. Escape to text mode
(ctrl-alt-f1, or some other f key). Log in normally. Read the
Mouse-HOWTO until you fix it. Likely you have a MS intellimouse
in a PS/2 socket and you need to change the mouse type in
/etc/X11/XF86Config to "PS/2". Without any data from you I can't tell.
: I haven't tried to login again for fear the same thing will happen.
Why? What's to lose? You're not going to fix it by doing nothing. And
you can't look with your eyes shut!
Peter
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