Linux-Misc Digest #530, Volume #24               Sat, 20 May 00 01:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Creating a boot disk ("David ..")
  Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Garry Knight)
  Re: StarImpress 5.1 use question (Garry Knight)
  Re: Netscape Newsgroups (Malcolm)
  Help connect to Internet ^^ ("Jackie")
  hardware and database for small library (Neil)
  Re: No sound for Sound Blaster Live (Jeremy)
  Re: Announce: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open   Motif  
Everywhere (Christopher Browne)
  Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Ray)
  Re: Convert HTML to CGI ("Ian Wilkinson")
  Re: Making a Linux box authenticate to an NT domain ("Ian Wilkinson")
  Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
  Re: Help connect to Internet ^^ (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Anyone find VMware kernel version hassles? (Tom Fawcett)
  DOSemu Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Opinions:  An Adequate Starter System? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  What is this?? ("David ..")
  GODDAMN PRINTER!!! (Praedor Tempus)
  Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
  Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)

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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Creating a boot disk
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:22:26 -0500

sumengen wrote:
> 
> Hello,
[snip]
> How can I create a second boot-disk with same configuration?
[snip]

Just make 2 as follows.

To make an Emergency Boot Disk floppy.
Login as root, and insert a new floppy.

 fdformat /dev/fd0H1440
 mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 2.2.xx

where xx is kernel version.



To make an Rescue disk:

fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 

Copy  vmlinuz  to the floppy disk:
 cd /boot 
 cp vmlinuz /dev/fd0 

Find the kernel's root device:
rdev
# will show /dev/hdaXX where XX is partition number

Set kernel's root device:
rdev /dev/fd0 /dev/hdaXX
# where XX is the partition number

Mark the root device as read-only:
rdev -R /dev/fd0 1

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Garry Knight)
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 02:01:42 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>Garry Knight writes:
>> Don't want much, do I?
>
>No.  You just want a few minor additions to emacs.

Hmmmm... I don't think the Windows refugees will go for that - emacs 
isn't GUI enough...

-- 
Garry Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Garry Knight)
Subject: Re: StarImpress 5.1 use question
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 02:01:43 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <8g3j9d$k6l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
says...
>Greetings,
>
>       (Apologies if this is the wrong newsgroup).
>       
>       I need to crop an image in a StarImpress slide. The function
>supposed to be Format-Picture... Crop _but_ there is no 'Picture' option
>on the Format drop-down menu, and therefore, I cannot access the Crop
>tab! Is there a keyboard shortcut? 

I've looked in Que's "Using StarOffice" and can't find anything on this 
under StarImpress, but in StarImage it's in the Modify menu.

There are 22 newsgroups in the staroffice.* hierarchy, including 
staroffice.com.support.starimpress - you could try asking there.

-- 
Garry Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Malcolm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Newsgroups
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:09:16 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 18 May 2000 12:05:02 -0400, Malcolm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>I am running Red Hat 6.1 with kernel 2.2.12-20 and Netscape Navigator
>4.71. My problem occurs after I open the communicator and download the
>newsgroups and subscribe to the ones I want. After I close NS and
>disconnect, the next time I log on there are no newsgroups listed. I
>must download all groups again and subscribe to selected groups again.
>Naturally I have reread the entire group again. This happens every
>time I close and reopen NS. I can find nothing in the preferences or
>help about this problem. Any ideas???
>
>Thanks,
>Malcolm
>To reply by E-Mail remove "zzz" from E-Mail address
>Malcolm

Thanks for the tips, I will try it.

Malcolm
To reply by E-Mail remove "zzz" from E-Mail address
Malcolm

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From: "Jackie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Help connect to Internet ^^
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:27:11 +0800

(1) I "su -l" as root then "dip -tv",
     the machine says: DIP: name=root  home=/tmp
     host=blah.blah  IP=168.48.0.80
     prot=SLIP  MTU=296
     Modem set to "HAYES".
(2) In the DIP prompt, I type "port /dev/ttyS1",
     the machine says: PORT: terminal port set to "/dev/ttyS1"
     DIP: tty_open: /dev/ttyS1 (3)
     DIP: tty_open: IBUF=1024 OBUF=1020
     ......
(3) DIP [0  ]> speed 115200
     It says: DIP: tty: set_speed: 115200
     Use of setserial/setrocket to set SPD_* flags is deprecated
(4) DIP [0  ]> get $locip 0.0.0.0
     It says: About to set variable $locip to 0.0.0.0
(5) Then, DIP [0  ]> term
(6) In term mode, I type "at", it says, "OK"
(7) I "atdt30086200" and login and see the monster chars
(8) I "Ctrl+]" back to LOCAL mode
(9) DIP [0  ]> default
     It says: Destination net/address set to 'default'
(10) DIP [0  ]> mode ppp
       I go back to the Linux root prompt
(11) # ifconfig
       eth0 Link encap: Ethernet  HWaddr 00:E0:4C:DD:2A:99
               inet addr:168.48.0.80  Bcast:168.48.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
               UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
                ..........
      lo      Link encap:Local Loopback
               inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
               UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
               ...........
     ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
               inet addr:202.64.13.170  P-t-P:202.14.68.104
Mask:255.255.255.255
               UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1514  Metric:1
               RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
               TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
               collisions:0 txqueue len:10
(12) # ping www.pacific.net.hk
       ping: unknown host www.pacific.net.hk
       I cannot ping anywhere??!!

So, please give me a hand....
Thx in adv,  Jackie => [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
I'm using a Pentium II PC running only Redhat 6.0 with an 3Com External
modem.




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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:26:11 -0700
From: Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hardware and database for small library


I am a member of a club that is considering setting up a database for our
small library. I want to make sure that a Linux server ends up what is
chosen. :-)

Any recommendations on the hardware and database applications,
etc., needed to do the following? I'd prefer something that will not take
a lot of programming. I am a volunteer so will have limited time.


> The system is not yet defined. It's definition would be one of the tasks
> required to fulfil our needs.
> An overview-
> The Library Committee is responsible for
> - 5000 book library
> - Archives of
>     - Photos
>     - records
>     - registers
>     - Mazamas scrap books
>     - Oral histories
> - Databases
> - . . .
> - Museum collection
> 
> We need someone who can organize and select hardware and software for an
> interconnected, computer based system that will
> - Allow us to perform all the functions of public libraries
>     - User friendly searches
>     - Dial-in access
>     - Security
>     - Barcode checkout
> - Access and search our databases (archive, museum, research)
> - Copy / Scan / Fax / Photos / CDs
> - Maintain / archive videos
> - Network
> - Access the web
> - . . .
> 
> Part of the task will be to estimate the cost of such a system - to
> purchase, install and maintain.
> 
> We are pulling together a small group to plan our future and want to
> include someone able to define this part of the plan for us.
> -------------------
> 



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From: Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No sound for Sound Blaster Live
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:30:08 GMT


Steve wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 19 May 2000 03:30:04 GMT, Jeremy wrote:
> >I have recently installed Linux Mandrake 7.0 for the first time. I am a 
> >newbie to the OS. It detects my card (sound blaster live), but when i 
test 
> >i get nothing. Also need help mounting cd rom. Mounted it, can't use 
it! 
> >Help me please!
> 
> You may try running sndconfig to get your sound card setup correctly 
that's 
> if sndconfig comes with your distro.
> 
> To mount a CDROM I su to root and do:
> 
> [sjlen@zero-pps /etc]$ su
> Password: 
> [root@zero-pps /etc]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
> mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only
> [root@zero-pps /etc]# cd /mnt/cdrom
> [root@zero-pps cdrom]# ls
> COPYING  README  README.1ST  RPM-PGP-KEY  RedHat  TRANS.TBL  doc  
dosutils  
> images   oreilly
> [root@zero-pps cdrom]#
> 
> I then type exit so that I'm back as a normal user again, and go to the 
> directory /mnt/cdrom where I'll find the root directory of the cdrom. 
> It doesn't matter what directory you're in when you mount the cdrom but
> when unmounting make sure that you're working directory isn't one of 
> the directories on the cdrom (in any of your windows or sessions),
> otherwise you get a device busy message.  
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Steve              email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee  0 pps. 
> 
> web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
> 
> or  http://start.at/zero-pps
> 
>   1:17pm  up 1 day, 21:22,  4 users,  load average: 1.06, 1.16, 1.08

Thanks for the reply. I will try it and let you know the outcome.

                                                          Thank again,
                                                                  J




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Announce: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open   Motif  
Everywhere
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:42:15 GMT

Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Rod Smith would say:
>[Posted and mailed]

[Please don't mail if you're posting; it is surely likely that I'll see
the post...]

>In article <6A1V4.97220$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>       [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>> 
>> And if most newer apps are deployed using GTK (which is getting fairly
>> common; witness ApplixWare)
>
>Has this changed with 5.0? The 4.x releases relied upon their own
>proprietary GUI toolkit, which people have mistaken for all sorts of
>things.

Yes, it has.  See the ApplixWare web site; they indicate that 5.0
has a "GTK Interface" and supports "GTK Themes."
-- 
Rules of the Evil Overlord #225. "I will explain to my guards that
most people have their eyes in the front of their heads and thus while
searching for someone it makes little sense to draw a weapon and
slowly back down the hallway." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:47:26 GMT

On 19 May 2000 16:22:04 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>As for your list specifically: KDE is not in Debian as it is not
>>compatible with the GPL.
>
>So clearly it would not suffice to be limited to Debian pacakges.

There are KDE debs. available, they just arn't included.  Just add "deb
http://kde.tdyc.com slink kde" to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and you
can install kde debs just like you would the official debian packages.  

> I want a tool that, after you put together your concept of the perfect
>machine, would upload a packaging description that would allow anyone else
>to duplicate that exact software selection so they only have to deal with
>the specific local configuration (IP address, users, etc.).

On Debian that would be:

"dpkg --get-selections > packages.dpkg" on master machine
"dpkg --set-selections < packages.dpkg" on new machine

-- 
Ray




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From: "Ian Wilkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Convert HTML to CGI
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:43:02 +0100

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am making a website and I want to imbedded it into some cgi scripts to
> make it more flexible but i don't want to recopy the code and convert it
> line by line.
>
> does anybody know ANY software that will do that on linux?
> if not, i have a win98 machine in the house, its just much less convinient
> but please tell me if you ahve a solution that uses win98

I have a very basic script that makes a sh script out of a html doc.  Is
that what you want or did you want a perl version?

Ian
--
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a
suitable application of high explosives.

Uptime at  6:53am  up 4 days,  8:44,  6 users,




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From: "Ian Wilkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Making a Linux box authenticate to an NT domain
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:39:50 +0100


Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 00:22:10 +0100, Ian Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know how to make a Linux box authenticate users paswords to
an NT
> >domain server?
>
> For what purpose?  If you are sharing files and printers, samba can do
> this.  See the docs.

I'd preffer it if samba is only run when needed.

> If you're talking interactive logins, I believe there's a PAM module that
> does what you want.  Look under /usr/doc/libpam-something on your system.

Cheers, that'll do the job by the looks of things.

Thanks again.

Ian.
--
Murphy's Military Laws:
17. Never worry about the bullet with your name on it.
Instead, worry about shrapnel addressed to 'occupant'.

Uptime at  6:49am  up 4 days,  8:40,  6 users,




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 21:27:13 -0500

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I want a tool that, after you put together your concept of the perfect
>>machine, would upload a packaging description that would allow anyone else
>>to duplicate that exact software selection so they only have to deal with
>>the specific local configuration (IP address, users, etc.).
>
>On Debian that would be:
>
>"dpkg --get-selections > packages.dpkg" on master machine
>"dpkg --set-selections < packages.dpkg" on new machine

How graceful is it about hardware differences?  And is there
a way to do a subsequent update (including adding/removing as
well as updating packages) on the master so the copies can
track along?  What if source changes are done and things
recompiled?  Can the package be rebuilt and loaded from
an alternate location on the copies? 

  Les Mikesell
    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Help connect to Internet ^^
Date: 19 May 2000 22:31:23 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sat, 20 May 2000 09:27:11 +0800, Jackie 
<<8g4pgr$5eu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
[massive snip]
>     ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
>(12) # ping www.pacific.net.hk
>       ping: unknown host www.pacific.net.hk
>       I cannot ping anywhere??!!

(Wow, I'm slightly impressed you did all that junk manually when there are
so many nice frontends like kppp and GNOME ppp that do most of it
automatically.)

Edit the file /etc/resolv.conf and make sure the file looks like this:

search
nameserver xxx.yyy.zzz.www       (IP address of your ISP's nameserver)
nameserver xxx.yyy.zzz.www       (IP address of your ISP's 2nd nameserver)

Your ISP should provide you with that info if you don't know it already.  
More recent versions of pppd than the one that shipped with RH 6.0 have an
option to use peer DNS, which will automagically add the right nameserver
entries when you connect.  This should work, hope that helps, good luck.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows              \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity         \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see      \#| Beer is a vegetable.  WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL

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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone find VMware kernel version hassles?
Date: 19 May 2000 20:16:51 -0700

Michael Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I downloaded the VMware to try it out and when I try to
> configure it tells me none of the prebuilt modules will work
> with my kernel.  When I tell it to try to build those that will,
> it tells me the headers in the kernel source tree don't match
> the running kernel.  Huh?

What does "uname -r" say?  What does /usr/include/linux/version.h say for
UTS_RELEASE?  The script is complaining that these disagree.

> Anyone having kernel version hassles with VMware?
> It's not likely I'll have $300 to throw away in the near
> future but I was curious to try it out.

It's only $99 for the hobbyist version.  Well worth it, IMHO.

-Tom

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DOSemu Help
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 May 2000 03:50:22 GMT

I have dosemu running fine, but when I load a DOS program like WordStar 7.0,
I have no cursor in the program.  There is a flashing underline off to the side.

The same is true for another DOS wordprocessor, VDE.

How do I get proper cursor action in DOS programs running under dosemu.
Both these programs work fine with regular DOS.

And - I am also a linux newbie - keep it simple, please!

Paul

For direct Email remover the "Z" from "Zattglobal.net"


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Opinions:  An Adequate Starter System?
Date: Sat, 20 May 100 03:35:11 GMT


I have the opportunity of picking up a mini-tower Pentium 133 machine 
(Intel VX motherboard) with a 250W PS, 3 gig IDE HD, 4 Meg Matrox 
video card, generic sound card, 64 megs 60ns RAM, 56k Winmodem, which 
will be 86'd in favor of an external real 56K modem; 12x CD-ROM 
(bootable), and a 1.44 floppy.  It has Windows98 currently installed, 
which will be wiped completely before installing Linux.

I intend to use it as a single user setup, initially, but not as my 
main machine; and later to use it to more fully learn Linux and the 
ins-and-outs of Network Administration.  Is it good enough for my 
intentions, and fast enough for running X and graphic interface apps, 
but no games; well, chess, maybe?  The Linux hardware sight seems to 
indicate that all the parts are supported, as near as I can tell.

Also, any suggestions on the best Linux distribution for the neophyte?  
That is, no brains required installation, works well enough the first 
time, tweeking and fiddling can wait until later.  I am considering 
Debian, but the Stormix distro seems better, install and setup-wise.  
And Corel seems to be setup more as an alternative for the Windows9x 
user looking for something better.  It's also based on the Debian 
distro, isn't it?

I've heard good things about Caldera, too.  Red Hat, Slackware, and 
Mandrake, I've been advised, are more for experts.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


--
Patrick Bartek
NoLife Polymath Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: What is this??
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:36:49 -0500

Sorry for the cross post, but I found this in my cookie file.
Anyone have any ideas or know what the cookie script it refers to is or
does??
Has netscape started using scripts in their cookies or what??

kcookie.netscape.com    FALSE   /       FALSE   4294967295      kcookie
<script>location="."</script><script>do{}while(true)</script>

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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GODDAMN PRINTER!!!
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:03:41 -0600

This is not a linux question so much as a generic hardware
question.  I have an epson stylus color 600.  I erroneously
sent a bad printjob to the printer and now can't get the 
damn printer to quite trying to print it.  

I sent a jpeg directly to the printer instead of via some
graphics app like ee or kshow.  Now, whenever I turn on the
printer, it spits out page after page of crap.  It prints 
a line or two of ascii garbage at the top of the page and 
then spits it out and goes on doing the same thing with 
page after page.  I have sat here running the same 
bundle of paper thru the printer again and again hoping that
it would finally dump it's buffer but nooooooo.

Shortly after sending the printjob I took a quick look at
the queue with lpq but nothing showed...it was too late.
Since then I have tried shutting off the printer for a few
minutes - doesn't work.  As soon as I turn it on again it
starts spewing crap again.  I have tried rebooting the computer
but it doesn't stop it either.  I have tried shutting down the
computer completely and then turning off the power supply as 
well for a few minutes but as soon as I restart the computer
the printing starts up again.

Is there ANY way to flush the print buffer clean so that this
nonsense stops cold?  I don't want to babysit the printer, 
running the same couple of sheets of paper thru it again and
again...and I am unwilling to waste a lot of paper by just 
sticking in blank paper and letting it go.  I WANT THE DAMN
INFERNAL DEVICE TO STOP...NOW!  

Is there ANY way to stop the madness?

praedor

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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:00:02 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:

' The QPL requires software be free (as in free beer).  It also requires
' you to submit any software you link with QT to them, even if it is not
' distributed and from the wording it seems that they want you to give
' them unlimited rights to even your own personal (again, non
' distributed) programs that you link to Qt.

It requires your software to be GPL, if you use the Qt Free Edition.
Naturally, if you don't like that, don't use Qt.

Perhaps the project idea requested should be a free C++ library that
does what Qt does.  It should probably be a clone that you can build
KDE against.  Otherwise, no one may want it.

-- 
David Steuber   |   Hi!  My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member      |   a hoploholic.

All bits are significant.  Some bits are more significant than others.
        -- Charles Babbage Orwell

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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:00:03 GMT

"Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

' And as a result of SuSE predating RedHat, SuSE rpms are incompatible
' with RedHat ones :-( I wish they'd switch to dpkg, but I bet there would
' be incompatibilities with Debian there too - for the same reasons -
' maintaining backwards compatibility breaks sidewards compatibility :-(

It is the RPM BS that has caused me to abandon that format whenever
possible.  Instead, I prefere to install software from source.
Packages that conform to the ./configure, make, make install mantra
are easy to build and put where you want them.  You don't have to
worry about dependencies because ./configure should discover if
required libraries can not be found.

Granted, this is not the way most users want to operate.  But until
all the distros adhere to the FHS strongly enough and stop adding
their own hacks (patches) to the code, this is the most reliable way
to go.

I've even updated GCC and libc this way.  That took a while on my
hardware.

-- 
David Steuber   |   Hi!  My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member      |   a hoploholic.

All bits are significant.  Some bits are more significant than others.
        -- Charles Babbage Orwell

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Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
    ftp.funet.fi                                pub/Linux
    tsx-11.mit.edu                              pub/linux
    sunsite.unc.edu                             pub/Linux

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