Linux-Misc Digest #513, Volume #24 Thu, 18 May 00 11:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Roger Blake)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Christopher Browne)
Re: Web mail, recommendations for unix ? (Tor Fredrik Aas)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (I R A Darth Aggie)
Re: Netscape Address book bug ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: applications behind ports ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: AOL for Linux??? (mst)
Re: [Q]CDROM does not mount (Dorin Boldor)
Re: Splitting Linux partition (Chad Lemmen)
DVD ROM Setup (Dorin Boldor)
Re: WordPerfect (Rod Smith)
Re: WordPerfect (Rod Smith)
Re: XFree86 4.0 rpms (Doug Alcorn)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: Error: no space left on device (Mogens Kjaer)
Re: Splitting Linux partition (Dances With Crows)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (I R A Darth Aggie)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:07:19 GMT
On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:16:04 +0100, Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, such arguments do have some merit, unless you think that
>perfection was achieved with the Good Old Way, and that it will never be
I personally believe this is the case. In fact I consider "thuh web"
as a whole to be a poor substitute for well laid-out ftp sites.
"New" and "improved" are not necessarily the same thing.
--
Roger Blake
(remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:19:10 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Lee Sau Dan would say:
>>>>>> "Pjtg0707" == Pjtg0707 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Pjtg0707> BTW, Dreamweaver is not really true WYSIWYG, but closer
> Pjtg0707> compare to something like HotDog. It's more like a 'GUI
> Pjtg0707> interface' to the html editor; it will only allow you to
> Pjtg0707> do what the tags allow you to do. A true WYSIWYG would
> Pjtg0707> be something liek Word, where you can do just about
> Pjtg0707> anything you want on the page, but it fills in the codes
> Pjtg0707> so you can do WYSIWYG, hence all Word html files are
> Pjtg0707> full of cryptic stuffs no human are willing to type in
> Pjtg0707> an ascii editor.
>
>Exactly. A WYSIWYG editor is different from a GUI editor.
>
>BTW, why don't we Linuxer do this: Write a WYSIWYG editor, which
>generates web pages in Postscript. The editor would automatically add
>a first page, telling people that "This page is best viewed with GNU
>Ghostscript (or Ghostview). Click here to download free GNU
>Ghostscript."? Why can a web page be "best viewed with <a certain
>browser of the latest version> and a display resolution of <whatever
>pleases the designer, which usually means a large screen>", but not
>"best viewed with Ghostscript" or "best viewed by printing it on
>Postscript printer"?
That's just _asking_ to be done...
"Best viewed after being printed on a NeXTStep Printer..."
[Which is one of the more obscure and not-generally-usable printers
that is no longer generally available, these days...]
--
Rules of the Evil Overlord #210. "All guest-quarters will be bugged
and monitored so that I can keep track of what the visitors I have for
some reason allowed to roam about my fortress are actually plotting."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Tor Fredrik Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Web mail, recommendations for unix ?
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:21:20 +0200
You really should try neomail. Written entirely in perl with no other
requirements than perl and a httpd server ( apache is fine ). Supports
mailboxes and Maildirs. No native support for SSL, but you could use
mod_ssl for that. Homepage is at sourceforge.
-tfa
Declan Mullen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've got redhat linux 6.1 with its sendmail, pop and imap services.
>
> I would like to have a web server on my linux box that provides
> access to the system's mail boxes and allows me to send mail.
>
> Here's my wish list:
> - Don't need it to provided access to mail boxes on other systems.
> - Password entry for the mail boxes to be secure.
> - Use port 80 as this is the one port in a firewall
> that is likely to be open.
> - To be cheap (ie freeware/shareware/gnu).
> - To be stable.
> - Its web pages to be small so that download is quick, or at
> least configurable so that the pages can be made to be small.
>
> There seem to be quite a few existing solutions available for this.
> Can you recommend any in particular ?
>
> My linux is running on a slow 486dx100 pc with 32MB ram,
> so i've discounted Sebastian Schaffert's excellent sounding "WebMail"
> because its implemented with java and I don't think that i'll have the
> necessary cpu grunt.
>
> I don't mind using a set of scripts that work with a separate
> web server (eg Apache, Apache-SSL) to provide that functionality
> I need. But there seem to be lot of these scripts available.
> Can you recommend any ?
>
> Many thanks,
> Declan.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:20:04 +0100
Lee Sau Dan wrote:
>
> *Proper* use of colours, bold/italic and graphics are enhancements.
> But how many people are using them properly nowadays? They now use
> them not because it is necessary or useful, but to show off their own
> technical skills.
It sounds like you're talking primarily about home pages, rather than
commercial sites. People who write commercial sites that don't draw
viewers don't end up writing many more commercial sites. And in those
terms, what draws viewers is what's 'proper'.
> Their spending of hours on the colours,
> bold/italics and graphics often means their lack of time on the
> *contents*, *organization* and *presentation* of what they write.
This is another clue that what you're referring to is individual home
pages. On professional sites, no one would ever dream of having the
designer write content.
> Even if all those pages can be displayed as desired by the author,
> improper use of such facilities can make the result bad. (I
> personally hate fix-sized (in terms of no. of pixels) frames, because
> that means that when I use larger fonts or a lower-resultion display,
> the page would look very very ugly.
So what you seem to be saying is that there are bad sites. There are
also bad programs, bad books, bad songs...in fact--well, Silverberg's
Law holds. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: 18 May 2000 13:42:25 GMT
Reply-To: no-courtesy-copies-please
On Thu, 18 May 2000 09:40:13 +0100,
Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ >
+ > >> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language").
+ >
+ > > Then why does HyperTEXT Markup Language contain an <img> tag?
+ >
+ > Why on the <img> tag is the alt attribute required?
+
+ Your question doesn't answer my question. If the Web was hyperTEXT,
+ there'd be no need for either the <img> tag or its alt attribute.
Because the <img> provides content?
+ Let me know when you have a more cogent argument than 'I'm right and
+ you're wrong'.
Yes, please do.
James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape Address book bug
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:53:34 GMT
Unfortunately, reinstalling Netscape doesn't fix the problem, or not
completely... What I've found is that, even with the BRAND NEW 4.73
version, I can't read the address book. I've completely removed all
traces of the address book (even to the point of removing the entire
.netscape directory out of my home directory) and recreated everything
from scratch, and while I haven't had any problem with NS crashing, it
still refuses to grab anything out of the address book, or let me modify
any entries. The funny thing is, I *can* export to a LDIF file, and
everything looks like it's still there!!!
PLEASE NOTE: This is **ONLY** a problem with the RedHat 6.2 release!!
I have run the EXACT SAME COPY OF NETSCAPE under other releases (RH 6.1
in particular), and it runs FINE!
I suspect we're barking up the wrong tree. The problem is probably
caused by a change in either the glibc library or something in X or
Gnome. In any case, it's a change in the environment somewhere...
Has anyone been able to get any help out of RedHat??? Their search
mechanism is useless, since all the links generated by the search jump
to totally unrelated articles.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A lot of us have the same problem at university. It seems as though
> netscape corrupts itself sometimes (some web pages have been known to
> crash - ie exit immediately - netscape too). Not sure what you can do
> other than reinstall netscape sadly.
>
> Rich
>
> Bruce Wolk wrote:
>
> > When I try to access the address book in Netscape (the version that
> > comes witrh RH 6.2), the program exits immediately. Any ideas what
is
> > wrong?
> >
> > Bruce
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: applications behind ports
Date: 18 May 2000 14:02:01 GMT
with a program gnu called "nmap" you can see the state of your ports.
a) I think yes
b) I think yes
c) no
d) yes
>
> applications behind ports
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:35:24 GMT
> Newsgroups:
> comp.os.linux.misc,
> comp.os.linux.networking,
> comp.os.linux.setup,
> comp.os.linux.x
> Followup to: newsgroup(s)
> Hi I'd like to know how to determine the name of the application
>running behind a port number ?
> I'd also like to know if
> a) an application can run on 2 different ports at the
>same time.
> b) an application can run on 2 different ports at
>different times.
> c) if 2 different applications can run on a port at the
>same time
> d) if 2 different applications can run on a port at
>different times.
>
>thank's
>reply: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AOL for Linux???
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:14:36 -0400
David Bell wrote:
>
> Hello! I know this is going to sound stupid, but.... Is there an AOL client
> for linux? I've been using my AOL email addy for years, and can't change
> it.... Thanks!
>
There's none AFAIK. Complain to AOL.
MST
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From: Dorin Boldor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Q]CDROM does not mount
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:51:46 -0400
Jim Hollenback wrote:
> George Bell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Do you have a cd in the drive when you try to mount it?
>
> Yep. Even got a data one, not a music one!
>
> --
> Jim Hollenback
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am having the same problems. Any help would be appreciated. See my
posting.
Dorin
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From: Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Splitting Linux partition
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:09:01 GMT
In article <3923cfe6$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Here's my setup:
>
> /dev/hda1 425MB linux native
> /dev/hda2 22MB linux swap.
>
> I want to split /dev/hda1 into two partitions. But linux is installed
on it,
> and must not get ill from this exercise.
>
> Any freeware utility that could do this? Possibly from Linux itself?
>
>
PartitionMagic will do what you want, but it's not free.
http://www.powerquest.com
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From: Dorin Boldor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: DVD ROM Setup
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:11:29 -0400
I am having problems setting up my DVD ROM with red hat 6.2. The drive
is SONY DVD-ROM DDU220U.
It is installed on IDE1, secondary master. THe install was performed
from this drive, it went on just fine, when it booted up from the CD ROM
it found the drive: hdc: DVD-ROM DDU220E, ATAPI CD ROM device. The thing
is that when I restarted the computer, the output from the dmesg | grep
hdc looks like this:
dmesg | grep hdc
ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1028-0x102f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hdc: Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q�Q, ATAPI UNKNOWN (type 17)
drive
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
hdc: driver not present
Ok, this is the first part, the second part is that when I boot up,
kudzu shows up with the message that the following hardware has been
removed from your system: DVD-ROM DDU220E. It gives me 3 options, 1.
remove any existing configuration for the device, 2. Keep the existing
configuration. You will not be prompted again if the device seems to be
missing. 3. Do nothing. The configuration will not be removed, but if
the device is found missing on subsequent reboots, you will be promtepd
again.
So, every time I choose 3, because I have no idea what is going on.
But, this is not all. I tried to recompile the kernel , it didn't help.
and finally I was looknig thorugh the files in the /etc, directory, and
in /etc/sysconfig I found a file called hwconf. In this file I have 2
different calls for hdc, and they are listed as follow:
class: OTHER
bus: IDE
detached: 0
device: hdc
driver: ignore
desc: 'Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q.Q."
the second one is at the very end of the file and it looks like this:
class: CDROM
bus: IDE
detached: 0
device: hdc
driver: ignore
desc: "DVD-ROM DDU220E"
So, if anybody knows what is going on here, any help would be really
appreciated.
Thanks a lot,
Dorin
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:37:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink) writes:
>
> WordPerfect 8 for Linux (which was written by SDCorp specifically for
> Linux).
Actually, WP6/7/8 for Linux are based on WP for UNIX. So it wasn't written
specifically for Linux, but it was written specifically for UNIX, and
getting the UNIX code to compile on Linux was presumably a fairly simple
matter.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:40:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown) writes:
>
> But I got the impression that maybe this "port" of Corel Office was
> heavily dependent on WINE work. And since I'd never had any luck getting
> WINE to run anything that I wanted to run, I guess my hopes were not high.
WP Office 2000 for Linux is indeed dependent upon WINE; however, Corel
made a lot of changes to WINE in porting the product, and many of those
changes have yet to find their way into the main WINE release. They were
also targeted changes designed to get WPO2K working. Although many of
WPO2K's problems are no doubt due to the use of WINE, I wouldn't judge the
package as a whole based on my experiences running other programs in WINE.
WPO2K for Linux works much better than most Windows applications under
normal WINE.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: XFree86 4.0 rpms
From: Doug Alcorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:41:46 GMT
Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How did you install it without breaking dependencies? XFree86-4 requires
> libncurses.so.5 but if you install ncurses-5
> you break a million packages, including util-linux, which contains login,
> fdisk, more, etc. Did you use --nodeps?
I have force installed ncurses-5.0-12 over ncurses-5.0-11. The -12
package gets me the 5.0 libraries, and the -11 gets me the 4.0
libraries. This has created no problems for me so far. I also ran
the Xfre86-4.0 rpms from Bero and have upgraded to the rpms from
rawhide.
--
(__) Doug Alcorn (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.lathi.net)
oo / Win a 66MB capacity tape drive. Help me win too!
|_/ http://www.ecrix.com/extreme/getReferrals.cfm?ref=7612
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:43:33 +0100
I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>
> + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> + >
> + > >> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language").
> + >
> + > > Then why does HyperTEXT Markup Language contain an <img> tag?
> + >
> + > Why on the <img> tag is the alt attribute required?
> +
> + Your question doesn't answer my question. If the Web was hyperTEXT,
> + there'd be no need for either the <img> tag or its alt attribute.
>
> Because the <img> provides content?
I was responding to greg's assertion that the Web is text, because HTML
and (and HTTP) have 'text' in them.
Which brings up another point. Even if HTML was just for text markup,
the Web is more than HTML.
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From: Mogens Kjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error: no space left on device
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:39:05 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I don't seem to have strace on my installation 8o(
>
> Any suggestions?
Install strace :-)
You can find an rpm on your redhat cd for this, look for
strace*
Mogens
--
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Gamle Carlsberg Vej 10, DK-2500 Valby, Denmark
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.crc.dk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Splitting Linux partition
Date: 18 May 2000 10:57:45 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 18 May 2000 14:09:01 GMT, Chad Lemmen
<<8g0the$4lf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>In article <3923cfe6$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> /dev/hda1 425MB linux native
>> /dev/hda2 22MB linux swap.
>>
>> I want to split /dev/hda1 into two partitions. But linux is installed
>> and must not get ill from this exercise.
>> Any freeware utility that could do this? Possibly from Linux itself?
>
>PartitionMagic will do what you want, but it's not free.
>http://www.powerquest.com
GNU parted will do what you want, and it is free (in speech and beer
senses, natch.) The problem is that it cannot resize or split a partition
that's already in use--you will have to make a rootboot disk, compile
parted, and put the compiled parted on a floppy to use it with your
setup. Pmagic is certainly easier, but it's your $30...
Since your setup is very small (425M? Shoot, it'd fit on a CD-R with
space left over and no compression!) you could also back your system up,
delete /dev/hda1 with fdisk, create new partitions, and restore the
system with a minimum of fuss.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: 18 May 2000 14:57:47 GMT
Reply-To: no-courtesy-copies-please
On Thu, 18 May 2000 15:43:33 +0100,
Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
+ >
+ > + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ > + >
+ > + > >> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language").
+ > + >
+ > + > > Then why does HyperTEXT Markup Language contain an <img> tag?
+ > + >
+ > + > Why on the <img> tag is the alt attribute required?
+ > +
+ > + Your question doesn't answer my question. If the Web was hyperTEXT,
+ > + there'd be no need for either the <img> tag or its alt attribute.
+ >
+ > Because the <img> provides content?
+
+ I was responding to greg's assertion that the Web is text, because HTML
+ and (and HTTP) have 'text' in them.
Yes, you do keep picking nits. And you keep missing the point: content.
+ Which brings up another point. Even if HTML was just for text markup,
+ the Web is more than HTML.
Yes, valuable content may have many forms.
James
--
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