Linux-Misc Digest #639, Volume #24 Mon, 29 May 00 10:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Modem help please!! ("Nicol�s Brenner")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: democracy? (Mark Bratcher)
Can't change video res in kde (Mario Franses Aparicio)
Audio spectrum analyzer for RH 6.1 (D Parsons)
Re: Finding text within files? (Steve Browne)
Re: Finding text within files? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: democracy? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: gnome 1.2 menu bar (I R A Darth Aggie)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Nix)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Nix)
mounting ide-scsi device (John)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
editor for Linux and IDE ("Davide Sanna - Tiscali S.p.A.")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: "Nicol�s Brenner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Modem help please!!
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:02:40 -0700
Damm, after I sent that post, I installed Mandrake Linux 7.0 (Air), I was
very happy, but when I tried to insmod the module pctel.o it gave me the
same "unresolved symbol" crap... if you can really help me out here (cuz I
prefer Mandrake 7.0 than RedHat 6.2), I can send you the "unresolved
symbols", but not right now, cuz I'm on winblows, just send me a mail or
post here. Thanks on advance. (The kernel I'm using now it's
2.2.14-securemdk7 or something like that, I'm sure about the version and
about the "secure" stuff, but I don't know if that is the exact name)
--
Nicol�s Brenner | Win95 & Win98: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system
ICQ: 19861222 | originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by
http://www.asd-asd.8k.com | a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
competition.
"Nicolas Brenner Leniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, certainly I didn't say much about the issue because I had tried to
> get help before specifying all my system with no positive results, so let
> me explain you. At first I had Mandrake Linux 6.1 with 2.2.12 kernel, then
> recompiled the same kernel with other options, that didn't work, so I
> downloaded the lastest stable version, 2.2.15, compiled and installed it,
> it didn't work either. So I went to some friend's house, I installed him
> RedHat 6.2, I also brought the driver over to his house, tried to insmod
> it, and worked, I mean it loaded, so I got back home now, installed RedHat
> 6.2 (with kernel 2.2.14), succesfuly installed the pctel.o module and
> configured kppp to dial to my PPP account, now I'm using my linmodem from
> RedHat 6.2 and I'm looking forward to install Mandrake 7 right now and
> then installing it the 2.2.15 kernel just for fun, (it gives me 666.84
> Mogobips out of a 333 Mhz Pentium II almost twice what it gave me with the
> other kernel, I don't think I actually get that speed but what the hell,
> it looks nice.. =), well anyway, thanks for you interest in my problem, I
> don't know what it was but I don't have it anymore... hehe. This is a pine
> composed message under an Xterminal, on Xfree 3.3.6 and RedHat 6.2.
>
> On 29 May 2000, Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> > In <8grlrk$ehl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Nicols Brenner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> >
> > ]Hi, well, last week I got a Zoltrix Phantom "linmodem", I downloaded
every
> >
> > Why in the world did you do that? At present the linmodem drivers may e
> > useable by someone who has nothing else, but to go out and purposely buy
> > a linmodem is a very bad idea.
> >
> > ]different driver available, open soruce and the binary directly from
> > ]Zoltrix. I followed the instructions, created a nod for the modem
> > ]/dev/ttyS15, I made a link to /dev/modem then, and after that I tried
to
> > ]load the module, to my surprise it didn't load, instead it just gave me
> > ]about a whole screen of "unresolved symbol" 's. I tried modprobe, and
> >
> > You tell us nothing about your system. Which kernel do you use? Which
> > libraries? Which distro?
> > The problem with these linmodem drivers is that they are modules without
> > source. Modules tend to be rather specific to kernel versions, etc. You
> > cannot simply use a module compiled for one kernel on another as I
> > understand it. This is another reason not to use linmodems.
> >
> > ]insmod -f, but it just didn't work. Well, someone told me that I should
> > ]recompile the kernel, so I did, I had no problem at that, I installed
the
> > ]new kernel and all, indeed it was good cuz I also enabled my IDE
CD-Writer.
> > ]Well the thing is that after recompiling the kernel and all, "insmod
> > ]pctel.o", just keeps giving me the same "unresolved symbol" 's crap. I
> > ]really need some help, please!. Thanks on advance for that.
> >
> >
> > You also do not tell us what that "unresolved symbol crap " actually is.
> > "Doctor, doctor, I hurt, please heal me!"
> > ]--
> >
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:18:24 +0100
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> To a large extent, linux does not have those constraints acting on it
> [like having a customer base to satisfy! -MW]
> Consider that coders are not paid in money, but in kudos, for one thing.
> Yes, their activities may make them money too, but in the first instance
> the monetary cost of their effort is zero
I don't think this is quite accurate. No activity ever has a zero
monetary cost, because of its opportunity cost. In a typical
organisation, there will be lost monetary cost if two coders both fix
the same bug. In an OS organisation, there may be the cost that one of
those coders quits because he feels the opportunity cost is too high to
waste time duplicating effort.
Mind you, I have no idea whether that sort of thing actually happens
with Linux. It could be that the mailing list approach is sufficient to
prevent it. I'm just commenting on the 'zero cost' remark.
> In particular, I'd recommend you to think about the following: Linux
> _is_ a success
I don't think there's such a thing as an absolute success. It's all
relative. And despite the fact that Linux is very far from being an
absolute failure, it certainly hasn't yet met the goal (if it exists) of
being a mainstream OS, competing successfully with its lesser brethren.
The obvious answer to your comment is, yes, Linux is a success. But that
doesn't mean it couldn't be even more successful. You certainly couldn't
say that the Linux development model couldn't be improved, since any
development model can be improved.
The question is whether more formal bug-tracking would improve it--not
whether Linux is a success, and hence needs no improvements.
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:17:00 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <392eb767$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Francis Van Aeken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> >The results of these MS breakup polls (consistently 2/3 against) raise some
> >interesting questions about the implementation of democracy (in this case in
> >the USA).
>
> How many such people are familiar with the anti-Microsoft
> litigation and the issues at stake? Here are some possible reasons why
> many people may not be familiar with the issue:
>
> * It goes over their heads
> * They feel that they have better things to do than be interested in this issue
>
> But among people familiar with computer stuff, there is a big
> contingent that seriously dislikes M$. So one may be more likely to
> dislike M$ if one is familiar with it.
That's a very good point.
When I talk to my associates in the computer industry, I'd say nearly
all are in favor of some kind of corrective action against Microsoft.
However, of the people I know who are just very basic computer users,
not extremely computer literate, they think generally that Microsoft
should be left alone.
It is a knowledge and exposure issue. I attribute this difference in
opinion to the fact that the non-computer-literate crowd has nothing to
compare what they have to. They only know MS Windows (since that's what
ships on PCs) and so it is the best thing going, so don't want to mess
it up. The computer industry people have generally touched some other
form of OS, be it OS/2, Linux, Solaris, or whatever, or at least
understand the issues w.r.t. system crashes, and therefore know that MS
Windows is not their best choice, but almost required of them.
So a Microsoft monopoly is sort of like a totalitarian world contained
within our democratic republic. Microsoft doesn't want people to be
exposed to other OSes or they may come to realize how junky their stuff
is and what to choose something else. The availability of choices is
critical.
I think I just went careening off the subject.... sorry. :-)
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mario Franses Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't change video res in kde
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:40:42 +0200
HI!!
I'm wondering how one may change the video resolution in the kde
workstation.
The res on this shared computer is way to high. It's really starting to
bug me....
:(
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From: D Parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Audio spectrum analyzer for RH 6.1
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:12:23 -0400
Is there a binary or rpm for this? I want to look at the frequency spectra
from violin notes.
Thanks, Don
Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr, (Rm B745B), NY State Dept of Health
PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)402-5562
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Steve Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Finding text within files?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:17:53 -0600
On Mon, 29 May 2000 00:05:55 -0400, James Silverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You might want to have a look at the O'Reilly book "Unix Power Tools".
>It is crammed with intriguing programs including the word find above.
>
>Jim.
In fact, I have O'Reilly's "Running Linux" and several other good
Linux books. Unfortunately they occasionally forget to cover the
obvious. The responses here have been very helpful. Thank you.
Steve
Stephen B. Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Finding text within files?
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:22:00 GMT
Steve Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I know how to find filenames using 'find' and 'locate', but how do I
> find text or text-string within files? Suppose I wanted to search my
> whole disc for the word 'Mendocino'... how?
cd /; grep -r Mendocino * 2> /dev/null
Vilmos
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:26:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If you want to see corruption at work go and work in Thailand.
Heh, once I read in the newspaper (US) that the Thai Secretary of
Education (or Culture, or something like this) said that corruption is
part of the national heritage and encouraged people to practice this.
Otherwise I also experienced they are very nice people.
Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: gnome 1.2 menu bar
Date: 29 May 2000 13:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: no-courtesy-copies-please
On Mon, 29 May 2000 09:54:12 GMT,
ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ > Hi, I just installed gnome 1.2 from Helix and it looks really good. My
+ > question is that in the screenshots there appeared to be a universal
+ > menu bar (a la macintosh menu bar) but I don't have one and I can't find
+ > an option to enable it. does anyone knowhow to turn this feature on?
+ Hmmmmm, not sure what you mean by "universal menu bar".
A macintosh-is menu bar across the top, with pull-down menus. It is just
another panel.
+ Right click on the "arrow" at either end of the default panel, (one at the
+ bottom of screen), mouse up to "panel", "create panel", and you see 5
+ possible panel configurations. Create them all, and pick the one you like.
Yep, that's one way to do it. I suspect that if the original poster
simply moves his .gnome directory to, oh, say, gnome (mv .gnome gnome)
then logs in, he'll get the advertised behaviour. Be aware, tho, that
some apps store their data files in that directory, so you may have to
move those back.
James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
To cure your perl CGI problems, please look at:
<url:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html>
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From: Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 29 May 2000 11:41:38 +0100
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> For all the faults in dpkg and rpm; they are light-years ahead of
> autoconf
They do completely different jobs. autoconf is a software portability
enhancement tool, not a software packager!
--
`People's needs are not `finance'. You can't eat a bank.' --- Alan Rosenthal
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From: Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 29 May 2000 11:47:46 +0100
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I should probably really look at GTK+/GTK--, but I've got this idea in
> my mind that a GUI toolkit should be based on C++ from the outset
> rather than using C++ wrappers, however good they may be, around a C
> toolkit. I could be wrong in this opinion. Maybe a C toolkit is the
> best way to go. But we already have Xlib... Yes, it is not a
> 'toolkit'. But it is what is ultimately being wrapped.
Gtk--'s wrappers are *very* good, IMHO better than Qt's; not least
because it does what MOC does the *right* way, in real C++ (with the
libsigc++ library).
--
`People's needs are not `finance'. You can't eat a bank.' --- Alan Rosenthal
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John)
Subject: mounting ide-scsi device
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:44:02 GMT
I am trying to mount my ide CD-RW. X-Roast is able to use it through
mkisofs and cdrecord. When I type mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom it gives
me the kernel does not recognize /dev/scd0 as a block device (maybe
'insmod driver'?)
I have scsi emulation support enabled under block devices in kernel
configuation and ide/atapi cdrom support disable (this is for X-Roast)
Under Scsi support I have enabled :
SCSI support, SCSI disk, SCSI CD-ROM support, vendor-specific
extensions, SCSI generic support.
Under filesystems I have sio 9660 support as a module.
There was another method I tried and got wrong major or minor number
How do i mount my CD-RW.
Thank you
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 29 May 2000 13:38:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
:> To a large extent, linux does not have those constraints acting on it
:> [like having a customer base to satisfy! -MW]
:> Consider that coders are not paid in money, but in kudos, for one thing.
:> Yes, their activities may make them money too, but in the first instance
:> the monetary cost of their effort is zero
: I don't think this is quite accurate. No activity ever has a zero
: monetary cost, because of its opportunity cost. In a typical
Well, I presume you're talking about lost opportunities for financial
gain. Yeah, sure, sleeping hurts my pockets a lot! In the end the
profit/loss accounting is not purely financial, however. For example, I
prefer to design my own code at my own pace rather than to have to
do it for money because someone tells me they want it. My loss or my
gain? For the kernel contributors, the kudos counts a lot.
: organisation, there will be lost monetary cost if two coders both fix
: the same bug. In an OS organisation, there may be the cost that one of
: those coders quits because he feels the opportunity cost is too high to
: waste time duplicating effort.
That turns out not to be the case. When it's happened, there's always
been someone else ready to step up, and I don't believe any person
losses have been for that reason. What's more, it's normal for someone
smart enough to realize that there's a coding opportunity also to be
smart enough to ask around to see if anyone's working on it (or to keep
mum if there isn't :-).
Besides, this is the normal "scientific" problem. When someone starts
investigating something they don't know for sure if someone else is
doing the same or not. It's usually the supervisor who guides them
through the morass of opportunities, but the supervisor doesn't know
all either. One takes a risk, and one takes care to keep ones eyes
open. That's all. Besides, duplication of effort is not normally
harmful. When the two parties find out about each other they either
compete or cooperate. There are several journalling efforts for linux
underway right now, for example, and they exchange info.
: Mind you, I have no idea whether that sort of thing actually happens
: with Linux. It could be that the mailing list approach is sufficient to
: prevent it. I'm just commenting on the 'zero cost' remark.
:> In particular, I'd recommend you to think about the following: Linux
:> _is_ a success
: The obvious answer to your comment is, yes, Linux is a success. But that
: doesn't mean it couldn't be even more successful. You certainly couldn't
: say that the Linux development model couldn't be improved, since any
: development model can be improved.
: The question is whether more formal bug-tracking would improve it--not
: whether Linux is a success, and hence needs no improvements.
No, that's not the question. It's not even relevant. You are missing
a point here and making one for your opponents: if you don't even
know how to measure if linux is a success or not, how can you possibly
suggest that something will "Improve" it? By what criteria? How can
you advocate a process change without knowing what you are trying to
achieve? Even in the best of _organisations_ (and linux is more
of a community than an organisation), that would get you fired.
My point here is, I repeat, that linux is a success measured in terms
of social impact, numbers of deployed systems, and economic influence.
If you say that it would be better off with a formal bug tracking
system instead of the kernel list and archives, plus maintainers
buglists, then you had better first explain why it is a success without
it. Because according to your theory, a formal bug tracking system is
important to success, and that seems not to be the case here.
I contend that the reasons for that are socio-economic. _My_ theory
says that anything that makes the actual kernel sources and development
(and possibly development processes) more open and accessible to
everybody will help linux occupy more niches. I also estimate that
restricting inputs to a bug tracking system will restrict the degree
of n-n communication that now exists, and therefore slow up
development. It might help stability, but not development. And
development is what fills the available niches, not stability.
Peter
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From: "Davide Sanna - Tiscali S.p.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: editor for Linux and IDE
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:47:11 +0200
Hi everyone!
is there an X-editor with syntax hilight and other
features (like UltraEdit for windoze ?) available
for Linux ? (free, GPL, OpenSource)...
Or, how to make syntax-hiliting for gIDE for
java sources ? (gIDE = gnome-IDE)
Is there an IDE for java (NOT WRITTEN IN JAVA)
available for Linux ? (free,GPL,OpenSource).
ok, num questions enough...closing connection...
Thanx!
--
Davide Sanna, reparto tecnico Tiscali S.p.A.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 29 May 2000 13:57:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc lis@ec wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
:
:>
:>And if we were talking about just one project you might have a point.
: he was. It was the kernel.
Unfortiunately, "the kernel" is not one project, but many. There is the
USB projects, the sound project(s), the IR projects, the scsi
subsystem, the pci system. Even the inner kernel itself has various
distinct subsystems and mailing lists. The MM list, for example.
: We know you are stupid, now we know you can not read also.
: Each large software project will have its own bug tracking system.
Apparently not.
: Go learn something about software engineering first.
Try learning to see facts and then form theories to explain them and
then test the theories against new sets of facts. Not the other way
round.
The kernel list is a remarkably efficient bug tracker. A couple of
hours ago someone pointed out a problem with udma66 detection on ALI
chipsets. Within half an hour the situation had been clarified and
various trial solutions proposed. The definitive patch came from
someone who picked up on a post from an engineer apparently within the
ALI design group in taiwan. He had sketched a pseudo code solution
using his special knowledge of the chipset.
Peter
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