Linux-Misc Digest #680, Volume #24 Fri, 2 Jun 00 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (pert@nowhere)
kppp will not dial modem (Dave Rolfe)
View Linux shared space from Win95 ("Kenny Leong")
making a new partition with Fips
New Linux user needs a better browser ("Jin Rid")
Netscape 4.73 - problem with time/date in mail (Ech0)
Netscape 4.73 - problem with time/date in mail (Ech0)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Bob Hauck)
BAD ENTRY IN /etc/ld.so.preload CAUSING ERROR IN LINUX BOOT UP ("Krithika
Chidambaram")
Shared Memory Takes Over ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
HowTo Change Screen ("Jackie")
Re: Samba Induced Headache (Mark Bratcher)
Re: New Linux user needs a better browser (Mark Bratcher)
Re: View Linux shared space from Win95 (Mark Bratcher)
Re: HowTo Change Screen (Dances With Crows)
Re: New Linux user needs a better browser (Dowe Keller)
Re: Installing Caldera 2.4 ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: New Linux user needs a better browser ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: ASUS K7V KX133 motherboard problems (Ryan Sackenheim)
128-bit encryption (NTK)
Help file link! (Valentin Guillen)
Re: 128-bit encryption (brian moore)
Re: Installing Caldera 2.4 (Valentin Guillen)
Re: Abit Hot Rot or Promise UDMA66 with Linux? (_)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Robert J Carter)
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From: pert@nowhere
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 1 Jun 2000 17:22:06 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John says...
>
>> looking at the linux kernel code,
>> you look at a function, and you have no idea what is the input
>> and output.
>
>Read the source. If you cannot figure it out, then *PLEASE* do not
>create patches!
>
The above got to be the most moronic answer ever written on the internet.
This john idiot in one sentense have thrown away everything any
computer science student was told to do in school, which is to
document the function header.
john, i hope you do not write any code, if you do, never show it to
anyone.
what a pathetic idiot. may be you should look at well written
software one day, and see how real software engineers write software.
i feel sorry for HP to have such a loser working for them.
pert
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From: Dave Rolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kppp will not dial modem
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:22:28 -0400
I have been helping a friend get going on linux and we have installed
Mandrake 7.0 with no problems. But when we try to connect to an isp with
an external US Robotics modem kppp says it is initializing the modem and
them hangs forever. The modem makes no noises. If I go to minicom I can
dial the phone with no problem and connect to the isp. If I go to the
terminal window off of the kppp panel I can type in atdt "phone #" and
the modem dials just fine. If I click on the test modem button on the
kppp panel it commuicates with the modem just fine and gets all the
correct information. So why oh why will kppp not dial the modem and just
hangs? Any thoughts?
Thanks, Dave Rolfe
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From: "Kenny Leong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: View Linux shared space from Win95
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:36:25 +0800
Reply-To: "Kenny Leong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have a small problem like this:
RH5.1, setup up as file and print sharing server. Second IDE(4G) of Linux
box mounted as /data and shared as name Public. Win95 client can see it and
can store data onto it. The problem is, in win95, when i right click on the
Public and select Properties, I just can see 2G only.
Please let me know! Thanks
Kenny Leong
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: making a new partition with Fips
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 01:30:09 GMT
hi,
i'm trying to make a new partition with fips(under dos..). fips refuses to
make a partition because a file exist on the last cylinder. i usesd defrag
however it did not solve the problem.
How can i locate this data on the cylinder and delete it?. Is there a
program out there for inspecting information on a disk by location?
thank for the help
aner
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: "Jin Rid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Linux user needs a better browser
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:03 +0800
hi
No flame intend. I am used to Internet Explorer 5.x under Windows and I find
the Netscape Communicator 4.7x that comes with my SuSE6.4 not as friendly
and can't run some of the cocoon samples well. Is there a replacement for
Netscape browser?
Regards
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From: Ech0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Netscape 4.73 - problem with time/date in mail
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:58:20 -0400
some time ago, probably around version 4.7, there was a problem with
mail incorrectly displaying the timezone. (ie.. the time was always off
by the same number of timezones/hours)..
Anyway, the following fix took care of it..
ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo /usr/lib/zoneinfo
and is documented here:
http://help.netscape.com:80/kb/consumer/19990228-5.html
Now, months later, after upgrading from 4.72 to 4.73, I am encountering
the exact same problem. Have looked all over, usenet, RedHat, etc..
verified the system date and OS timezone settings, am using ntpd to keep
the clock/date accurate, all other applications are fine.. Just
Netscape, and it exactly coincided with the upgrade to 4.73..
BTW, I am running
Kernel 2.2.13
RH 6.1, but with all the latest Libs and such..
Enlighentment 0.16.4 .
building from source code tar balls, staying away from .rpm's for stuff
like this
.
have all libs and updates as prescribed on the E home page
XFree86-3.3.5-5
Any help is much appreciated..
MLA
Michael L. Adams
CTO
Gestalt Technology, LLC
'Remember to always pillage, before, you plunder'
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From: Ech0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Netscape 4.73 - problem with time/date in mail
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:57:26 -0400
some time ago, probably around version 4.7, there was a problem with
mail incorrectly displaying the timezone. (ie.. the time was always off
by the same number of timezones/hours)..
Anyway, the following fix took care of it..
ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo /usr/lib/zoneinfo
and is documented here:
http://help.netscape.com:80/kb/consumer/19990228-5.html
Now, months later, after upgrading from 4.72 to 4.73, I am encountering
the exact same problem. Have looked all over, usenet, RedHat, etc..
verified the system date and OS timezone settings, am using ntpd to keep
the clock/date accurate, all other applications are fine.. Just
Netscape, and it exactly coincided with the upgrade to 4.73..
BTW, I am running
Kernel 2.2.13
RH 6.1, but with all the latest Libs and such..
Enlighentment 0.16.4 .
building from source code tar balls, staying away from .rpm's for stuff
like this
.
have all libs and updates as prescribed on the E home page
XFree86-3.3.5-5
Any help is much appreciated..
MLA
Michael L. Adams
CTO
Gestalt Technology, LLC
'Remember to always pillage, before, you plunder'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 01:48:56 GMT
On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:24:56 -0600, John W. Stevens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>C'mon, lets here it from the professionals out there . . . how often do
>you just read the comments, trust 'em, and design your code to 'em?
Ha! That would be the short route to unemployment.
The current job I'm working on is about 50% assembler, 50% C. It is
"embedded systems" code running on DSP chips. The software has been
through a couple of maintainers but the original author seems to have
fallen off the earth or something (someone told me he writes Islamic
religious software now). The code is from a commercial product that has
shipped several thousand units. I need to remove some functionality that's
no longer needed and replace it with new.
In many cases the comments are either completely wrong (describing what I
can only assume is a previous iteration of the software), or they say
unhelpful things like "load the data page register". Uh, yeah, that's
what the LDP instruction does *by definition*. How helpful for you to
have put in a comment about it. Basically, I take the comments with a few
pounds of salt. About half of them seem to have become deleted since I
started working on this 8->
On the other side of the fence, we have the host software that controls
the DSPs. I have to modify it as well, as it downloads the DSP code at
boot among other things. It has almost no comments, yet makes complete
sense. Different programmer, different approach, different results.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.bobh.org/
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From: "Krithika Chidambaram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: BAD ENTRY IN /etc/ld.so.preload CAUSING ERROR IN LINUX BOOT UP
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:04:56 -0700
I have a bad entry in /etc/ld.so.preload which is causing the init
program at start up to fail saying
<bad entry>: error in loading shared library.
How can I fix this?
Thank You
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Shared Memory Takes Over
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:13:46 GMT
I am running RedHat 6.1 on a Compaq 5150 (AMD K6-2 at 350MHz). I have
128 Mb of RAM and the following problem. After I have worked for some
time more than 70M of RAM become shared, as compared to starting with
15-20M after a reboot. As a result my machine becomes really slow at
some point, since there is no memory for the many applications that I
want to open. I checked with top and could not find any lurking zombies
or the like. Logging out and coming back doesn't help, only a reboot
helps reducing the portion of the memory that is shared.
I don't want to have to reboot every two days, that's ridiculous, and I
believe that 128 MB of memory is a lot of memory so I was wondering if
someone knows of a way to manage memory and not let that happen. Or is
there some software that can do that for me?
Peter
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Jackie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: HowTo Change Screen
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:46:52 +0800
I am using RedHat 6.0 and am doing "make menuconfig".
Some Help Descriptions ask me to see more info in files
Documentation/blahblah.txt.
So, how can I switch screen to see the document without leaving the
Configuration Menu?
Thankxx, Jackie
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Samba Induced Headache
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:39:29 -0400
Neil Middleton wrote:
>
> Can it really be so hard to set up samba?
>
> I have a LAN at home using four machines, my main one which is RH6.2,
> and three others, two Win95, one NTWS4.
>
> Now, I can get to the drives on the Win95 boxes using smbmount (like it
> says in the manual) but when it comes to accessing the NT box I have big
> problems, like nmblookup not coming up with an answer.
>
> But this is just the start of the problem, although I can do things a
> little one way I can get nothing going the other way. sometimes my
> linux box will appear in Network Neighbourhood breifly but five minutes
> later they are gone...plus when you try to access the box it asks for a
> password for //machine_name/IPC$ (where is this set or where can I find
> it out???)
>
[snip]
Neil,
This gets into how you are managing passwords and security on samba.
The first thing that comes to mind in the above is that you probably are
using plaintext (clear text) passwords. If your NT4 is > SP3, then it
uses encrypted passwords. Read PASSWORDS.txt in the samba documentation.
Also, if you want to get into Samba a bit, there is an excellent book
called "Using Samba" (I forget the author's name).
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Linux user needs a better browser
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:41:33 -0400
Jin Rid wrote:
>
> hi
> No flame intend. I am used to Internet Explorer 5.x under Windows and I find
> the Netscape Communicator 4.7x that comes with my SuSE6.4 not as friendly
> and can't run some of the cocoon samples well. Is there a replacement for
> Netscape browser?
> Regards
I don't know wha tthe 'cocoon samples' are, but you could try Netscape 6
which looks more like IE than Netscape 4.7x. It's available on the
netscape web site.
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: View Linux shared space from Win95
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:43:32 -0400
Kenny Leong wrote:
>
> I have a small problem like this:
>
> RH5.1, setup up as file and print sharing server. Second IDE(4G) of Linux
> box mounted as /data and shared as name Public. Win95 client can see it and
> can store data onto it. The problem is, in win95, when i right click on the
> Public and select Properties, I just can see 2G only.
You didn't say, but I'm assuming you're using Samba (inferring from the
setup you described).
Samba makes your Linux box look like an NT server with NTFS file system.
Win95 is pretty stupid about disk space over the net. From what I've
seen, it has 2GB limit assumptions in many of its built in disk
functions. I believe this is what you are encountering.
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: HowTo Change Screen
Date: 01 Jun 2000 23:08:48 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:46:52 +0800, Jackie
<<8h75m8$588$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I am using RedHat 6.0 and am doing "make menuconfig".
>Some Help Descriptions ask me to see more info in files
>Documentation/blahblah.txt.
>So, how can I switch screen to see the document without leaving the
>Configuration Menu?
Ctrl-Alt-F1..F6? Or doing the "make menuconfig" in an xterm within an X
session? How did you get as far as compiling your own kernel without
knowing about these things, which are in every boxed distro's manual?
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Subject: Re: New Linux user needs a better browser
Date: 1 Jun 2000 20:23:52 -0700
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:03 +0800, Jin Rid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hi
>No flame intend. I am used to Internet Explorer 5.x under Windows and I find
>the Netscape Communicator 4.7x that comes with my SuSE6.4 not as friendly
>and can't run some of the cocoon samples well. Is there a replacement for
>Netscape browser?
>Regards
>
Netscape is a horrific piece of trash. I can fully understand where anyone
would wish for something better. I'm not sure how anyone could see IE5 as a
solution. Its like being submerged in a cesspool, coming up for air, seeing
another cesspool across the way and saying "Gee, I really think that cesspool
would be better than this one."
I really have to strain to see the difference, so I drew up a little table:
Netscrape Exploiter
========= =========
Hugely bloated X X
Full of bugs X X
Use non-standard tags X X
Handle standard
tags in stupifyingly
non-standard ways X X
Proprietary
Closed-Source X X
Owned by
companies that
try to kill
competition X X
Run on Linux X
Well I'll be damned, Internet Exploiter is better after all, It doesn't run
on Linux.
This rant was brought to you by...
The Scociety for the Apeasment of Usenet Crackpots.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
I wanted to emulate some of my hero's, but I didn't know thier
op-codes.
--dowe
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.question
Subject: Re: Installing Caldera 2.4
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:29:22 -0400
The letter naming scheme that you have below is absolutely meaningless.
It doesn't tell anyone where any of the partitions are located. Is
"disk 2" sdb sdc sdd ? What kind of hardare do you have? What happens
when you boot without a floppy disk?
Martin Racette wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> I'm having a weird problem, when I try to Install Linux Caldera 2.4,
> the installation goes all the to the end without any problem, I can
> even use it the first time, but there it stop
>
> When I try to boot Linux again I get an error that says something like
> "The Partition is not formatted", when I boot with the floppy I can
> see everything on the partition but I can't use anything, and not even
> boot Linux
>
> My set-up is :
>
> DISK 1
> Bootmanager (OS/2 WARP, Windows, Linux)
> OS/2 Warp 4
> Windows
> D:, E:, F:, G: (Which are for OS/2 only, HPFS)
>
> DISK 2
> LINUX
> LINUX SWAP
> H: (HPFS)
> I: (FAT16)
> J: (HPFS)
> K: (HPFS)
>
> DISK 3 (ZIP Drive)
>
> All my HDD and the ZIP Drive are SCSI
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From: "Jan Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Linux user needs a better browser
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:26:43 -0500
It was Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:23 PM that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe
Keller) uttered the words:
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:03 +0800, Jin Rid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>hi No flame intend. I am used to Internet Explorer 5.x under Windows and
>>I find the Netscape Communicator 4.7x that comes with my SuSE6.4 not as
>>friendly and can't run some of the cocoon samples well. Is there a
>>replacement for Netscape browser? Regards
>>
>
> Netscape is a horrific piece of trash. I can fully understand where
> anyone would wish for something better. I'm not sure how anyone could
> see IE5 as a solution. Its like being submerged in a cesspool, coming up
> for air, seeing another cesspool across the way and saying "Gee, I really
> think that cesspool would be better than this one."
>
> I really have to strain to see the difference, so I drew up a little
> table:
>
> Netscrape Exploiter
> ========= =========
<lots os true stuff snipped>
> Proprietary Closed-Source X X
Well, *technically*, NS is mozilla (or rather mozilla is NS?), and so NS is
not really closed source...
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann
http://www.netmeister.org
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some
of the time, but you can never fool your Mom.
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From: Ryan Sackenheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ASUS K7V KX133 motherboard problems
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:30:06 GMT
> Mostly people reported no problems, and some of them had the
> K7V motherboard. I'm interested because I'm seriously thinking about
> getting one of these. Toms Hardware rated them the best of the Slot A
> Athlon Via KX133 chipset boards. From what you describe, I would look
> closely at my kernel configuration, maybe try to build a new kernel, even
> if I have to do it on old hardware, look closely at the general setup
> section and block devices section.
>
> ---remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address----
I finally figured out the problem. Apparently I had a bad memory module.
I put in a different one, and it worked perfectly. So if you do get this
board, make sure to get good quality Athlon tested memory, or Linux might
flake out on it. Not-so odd is that Win98 chugged along like nothing was
happening.
cheers.
-Ryan
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From: NTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 128-bit encryption
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:30:09 GMT
for PC banking, it requires 128-bit encryption. It doesn't look like there
is such support for Netscape if you are using linux. Is there any way to
use PC banking or am I stuck with Windows if I want to do some banking.
THanks
--
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From: Valentin Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help file link!
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:30:22 -0600
Dave,
The link to the help file on CD willwork only if your CD's mount point
is the same as mine. I'm on a SuSE system right now, so the mount point
is just a bit different than on my Mandrake box. You can figure out it's
correct address for your mount point.
Regards,
vg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: 128-bit encryption
Date: 2 Jun 2000 03:38:23 GMT
On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:30:09 GMT,
NTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> for PC banking, it requires 128-bit encryption. It doesn't look like there
> is such support for Netscape if you are using linux. Is there any way to
> use PC banking or am I stuck with Windows if I want to do some banking.
Sure, download 128 bit netscape from, um, netscape. Or install fortify.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Valentin Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.question
Subject: Re: Installing Caldera 2.4
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:46:35 -0600
Martin,
In Corel Linux 2.3, I think that I didn't have the option of putting the
lilo where I wanted to. It put it in the Master Boot Record, but for
me, using the OS/2 boot manager, I needed to have it in the boot sector
of my root linux partition, so that it wouldn't overwrite the boot
manager. I didn't like that. I had to make OS/2 "utility" diskettes to
boot into OS/2 boot prompt only, and manually run OS/2 Fdisk to make the
OS2 boot manager partition the active partition again. As long as LiLO
is in the boot sector of the linux partition, then Boot Manager will
take me to the LILO prompt when I select it in Boot Manager. I just hit
enter at the lilo prompt, and I boot just fine. I can also boot into
linux from the DOS/windows on this tri-boot laptop using Loadlin, or
from a boot floppy, also Loadlin-based.
I don't know if there is a more "manual" type of installation available
in newer Caldera Linux. I really didn't like that I didn't have full
control over the entire install process. I've used Red Hat, Slackware,
Mandrake, and SuSE. I prefer SuSE to all of them. I got Mandrake 7.0
free with a magazine, and it's slick, but I couldn't put lilo anywhere
but MBR. It's on a test machine, so it doesn't matter too much. For
Dual/Tri-boot machines, I would have to use the older, text/console
based installation, to do everything manually. Caldera was the easiest
install of all I've done, but not the most versatile.
I would remove all but the linux drive, do a couple of practice installs
using different configurations, etc. And then, when learning the quirky
aspects and drawbacks of your distro, you can then commit to doing the
"real, permanent" install using Caldera, or perhaps another. I don't
think you'd be intimidated by a manual install. If you made it through
the old OS/2 installs, then you're a seasoned veteran.
I hope that helps you. Bon Chance!
Valentin Guillen
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From: _ <>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Abit Hot Rot or Promise UDMA66 with Linux?
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:52:09 -0400
They both are reported to work under Linux. I however own an
Abit BE6 motherboard with the HPT366 controller built in and
am not even using it with my UDMA/66 drive. I could go into
details if you want, but I think the consensus would
agree--stay away from the Highpoint controller. I've had
nothing but trouble with it and there have been BIOS updates
after BIOS updates.
Also consider that I have no experience with the Promise
controller, so... I'm biased. You should get opinions from
people who have experience with both.
On Fri, 26 May 2000 12:40:10 +0200, Pieter Langendonck
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have a QDI Titanium 1B motherboard with a TX chipset and a BIOS which
>does not support more than 8,4 GB drives. (There is no flash update
>possible.)
>
>I want to buy a 20,4 GB UDMA66 Maxtor harddisk and I'm willing to buy a
>UDMA66 controller like the Promise UDMA66 controller or the Hot Rot =
UDMA66
>of Abit.
>
>Of both controllers I do not know whether they will work together with
>Linux.
>Nothing can be found on the websites about that.
>
>What I want, is to have Windows 98, Windows NT and Linux on my system.=20
>
>Will it work if I buy the Promise or the Abit Hot Rot controller?
>Which want should I buy??=20
>
>Please sent you remarks also via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Thanks a lot!,
>Pieter Langendonck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J Carter)
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:55:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> s@- wrote:
>>
>
> C'mon, lets here it from the professionals out there . . . how often do
> you just read the comments, trust 'em, and design your code to 'em? How
> often is that documentation *ENOUGH*? How often is it *CORRECT*? How
> often is it even *USEFUL*?
>
OK, HERE's a comment from a professional.
Over the course of the last 20 years, I figure I've probably made more money out of
fixing other people's code than I have writing my own.
What's the first thing I do when given code to maintain, fix, or revamp?
REMOVE EVERY DAMN COMMENT IN IT.
Comments are *usually* accurate at the time the code is first
written. Same with any other documentation. But as time goes by, the
code is changed, but the comments (and other docs) are usually not. If
they are, it's done quickly and as an afterthought - usually just to
change the bits that are outright wrong.
When you read somebody's code, you see the comments and THEN the
code. The comments tell you what you're supposed to see; therefore,
you look at the code and see what you've been told to expect.
By removing the comments, you are unable to make any changes -
regardless of how minor - untill you understand THE WHOLE
THING. Which, after all, is the way it's supposed to work, isn't
it? :-)
--
Robert J Carter at Oghma dot on dot ca
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