Linux-Misc Digest #801, Volume #24 Tue, 13 Jun 00 11:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: HELP, New user ("Java__Cat")
Re: Linux modules to connect to ISP (jafgon)
Re: Mounting (Dances With Crows)
Re: Problems running X ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
linux friendly version of jfax? (Blake LeBaron)
Read Linux partition from Win95 ? (NDQ)
Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ? ("matt")
Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ? (NDQ)
Re: UNIX vs LINUX ... Where to get ? (Dewey Chan)
Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ? (James Silverton)
Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ? (Norman Levin)
Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ? (Kristian Orlopp)
Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ? (H H Chau)
Help Finding and Installing "Make", "GCC" and "Binutils" under RH 6.2 ("Larry")
Java Problem with Netscape 4.51 ("Larry")
Java Problem with Netscape 4.51 ("Larry")
Re: Linux helpdesk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: how to import outlook mail into netscape mail? ("Wouter Verhelst")
Re: MS word and linux ("Wouter Verhelst")
Re: Linux helpdesk (Arjan Drieman)
Re: vote on MS split-up ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there any demand for Linux training? (Peter Wayner)
Re: Kernel loadable modules... (John Gluck)
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From: "Java__Cat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP, New user
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:13:30 GMT
I just did an install of SuSE and you have to boot from a floppy or if your
comp can, from a CD. Did you read your manual because I believe you will
have to partition your hard drive first. Partition Magic is a great program
for doing that and you do not loose any data. You have to remember this an
Operating System that you are installing not a program. Windows will not
even be able to see the partition that you place it on. It sits on a LINUX
partition as opposed to FAT.
"Walt Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:T3u%4.8772$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've installed Mandrake 7.0 on a new built amd anthlon 600, I'm no tech on
> OS systems. I can't install from cd-rom I'm using the icon on the screen,
> kde, and it brings up whats on the cd but I can't figure out how to
install
> anything the manuals that came with Mandrake aren't helping I bought Linux
> for dummies and went through that though still no install. Also, my sound
> card (aureal vortex2 sq2500, pci) is listed but as other not as sound. Is
> their a book that can tell me all the commands that I need to know and to
> understand the command line concept (just another windoze user). I do
have
> a cheat sheet from the dummies book but I need alittle more spelled out to
> me than whats available. Maybe dual boot option? Until I figure things
out.
> Thankful for having 2 computers at home. Thanks for the help ahead of
time
>
>
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From: jafgon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux modules to connect to ISP
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:15:04 -0400
Much good advice and food for thought. Of course immediately after
posting my query I thought of using the ISP website and CGI BIN stuff to
register the new user via credit card numbers and bank draft accounts. But
this only works for the connected user. For the unconnected user a CD, or
floppy would be needed if it is the intention of the ISP to automate the
registration process. As David pointed out something of that nature could
very well compromise root access (thanks for the heads up David). Once
again for the connected Linux user the registration can be handled through
the ISP's website and a temporary password and username can be emailed with
an official password being sent via snail mail, although this would
complicate things slightly. The vision the ISP owner has in mind is next to
zero human contact with the customers which in my opinion is bad. He wants
to be the sole owner/sysadmin/officemanager/etc.... If possible, then kudos
to him, but I still like to walk into my current ISP office every month and
pay the bill in person so I can jaw with admins;)
Thanks for all the input
Josh Flechtner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Mounting
Date: 13 Jun 2000 08:21:51 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:36:16 -0700, Telus News
<<sRi15.663$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I am having trouble accessing a mounted drive on my linux server with rw
>access. Heres the setup. I have a NTWS machine which I am trying to connect
^^^^
NTWS? What's that?
>However, when I view the
>permissions on /mnt/Backups write access is not enable for anything but
>user. Owner is root and group is root.
[snip]
>and in fstab it is
>/dev/hda9 /mnt/Backup vfat defaults 0 0
This will not work if you want people other than root to be able to write
to the directory. If you want everyone to be able to write to this
directory, change that fstab line to
/dev/hda9 /mnt/Backup vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
Obviously there are security implications here! Make sure you control
access through /etc/smb.conf.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Problems running X
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:19:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone have experienced problems running X, using a monitor Samsung
> SynMaster 500b and video card SiS6326 ?
>
> I'm using Mandrake, and even though the instalation reconize both
> monitor and accelerator card, X Windows dosn't run .
>
Marcelo it would help us a lot if you described the problem in more
detail instead of saying 'It doesn't run'
--
Don't e-mail your response
Post it right here, but if you must, I'm also at
annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Blake LeBaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: linux friendly version of jfax?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:35:59 GMT
I use the jfax service to receive faxes to my email account.
Unfortunately, jfax doesn't support linux in terms of receiving fax file
formats. Is there a service like jfax that sends you a file format that
can be read in linux?
Blake LeBaron
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From: NDQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:46:34 +0200
Reply-To: NDQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I use dual boot PC : Linux RH6.1 & Win95.
I would like to read (and write if possible) some files on Linux's
partition from Win95?
Thanks in advance for give me some help.
Regards,
--
Nguy�n-�ai Qu�
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From: "matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:54:00 +0800
Hi.
Sorry, but I don't think it can be done.
You'll have to get by copying files to the win partition from linux,
then reading them in win.
Cheers,
Matt.
"NDQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
> I use dual boot PC : Linux RH6.1 & Win95.
> I would like to read (and write if possible) some files on Linux's
> partition from Win95?
>
> Thanks in advance for give me some help.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Nguy�n-�ai Qu�
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From: NDQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:03:13 +0200
Reply-To: NDQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
matt wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Sorry, but I don't think it can be done.
>
> You'll have to get by copying files to the win partition from linux,
> then reading them in win.
>
I found this link :
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.9
I'll try it now ...
Cheers,
NDQ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dewey Chan)
Subject: Re: UNIX vs LINUX ... Where to get ?
Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:01:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Toni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey guys,
>can anybody tell me where on the net I can find a good comparison of
>Linux to Unix ? I mean a kind of Document that describes the differences
>between both architectures ? (not in gory details, that is)
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Toni.
I saw the address of this page posted a while ago, I'll just post it
again: http://www.unix-systems.org/what_is_unix.html
Hope it helps.
-dc
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From: James Silverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:19:39 -0400
matt wrote:
> =
> Hi.
> =
> Sorry, but I don't think it can be done.
> =
> You'll have to get by copying files to the win partition from linux,
> then reading them in win.
> =
> Cheers,
> Matt.
> "NDQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi,
> > I use dual boot PC : Linux RH6.1 & Win95.
> > I would like to read (and write if possible) some files on Linux's
> > partition from Win95?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for give me some help.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Nguy=EAn-=D0ai Qu=FD
The freeware explore2fs allows reading from Windows and works quite
well. I would have to track it down but DejaNews should be able to find
it. Incidentally, it has a rather good penguin icon.
Jim.
-- =
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:01:37 -0500
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
NDQ wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I use dual boot PC : Linux RH6.1 & Win95.
> I would like to read (and write if possible) some files on Linux's
> partition from Win95?
>
> Thanks in advance for give me some help.
** posted to 5 groups. Another waste of disk space.
As to your question, check out http://www.uranus.it.swin.edu.au/!jn/linux
--
Norman Levin
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From: Kristian Orlopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:22:39 -0400
NDQ wrote:
> I would like to read (and write if possible) some files on Linux's
> partition from Win95?
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
It`s cool!
Kris
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H H Chau)
Subject: Re: Read Linux partition from Win95 ?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:43 +0100 (BST)
In alt.os.linux matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, but I don't think it can be done.
> "NDQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> I would like to read (and write if possible) some files on Linux's
>> partition from Win95?
Yes, it's possible with explore2fs, the WIN32 explorer for
Linux ex2fs partitions.
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
Cheers
Hau Hing
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From: "Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Help Finding and Installing "Make", "GCC" and "Binutils" under RH 6.2
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:11:13 -0500
I need to compile some source that I downloaded but found that I need to =
install the following packages first:
Make
GCC
Binutils
Can someone point me to where I can obtain the latest version of these =
and a brief explanation of how to install them on my system?
Thanks,
Larry
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From: "Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Java Problem with Netscape 4.51
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:12:54 -0500
I'm trying to use a Java applet in Netscape 4.51 under RH 6 and =
everytime I run the applet, the browser closes immediately. The same =
thing happens when I try to go to Communicator->Tools->Java Console.
Is there something I have to do to enable Java?
Thanks,
Larry
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From: "Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Java Problem with Netscape 4.51
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:12:54 -0500
I'm trying to use a Java applet in Netscape 4.51 under RH 6 and =
everytime I run the applet, the browser closes immediately. The same =
thing happens when I try to go to Communicator->Tools->Java Console.
Is there something I have to do to enable Java?
Thanks,
Larry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Linux helpdesk
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:34:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven Feil wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking about starting up a pay-per-call Linux help desk using a
> > 1-900 number. ........
> >
> > Do you think this is a good idea?
> >
> >
>
I think it's a good idea, for business users to have a number to call (I
don't know if Linuxcare does this, too). But if the major PC makers putting
out Linuxboxes do this, then there must be a need for it (personally I think
it's about time something serious is being done! :-) -- Don't e-mail your
response Post it right here, but if you must, I'm also at annandy AT dc DOT
seflin DOT org
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Wouter Verhelst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to import outlook mail into netscape mail?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:04:47 GMT
Robie Basak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:12:20 -0500, Divya Sundaram said:
> >Well,
> >The way *I* did this was as follows:
> >
> > Installed UWash IMAP on a Linux box
> > Created an account on the Mail Server
> > Used OE5 to transfer the mail from my local folders to Server
> >
> >Once done, I can now simply use IMAP or use Netscape to
> >download the messages. Personally, I would leave it on the server.
>
> Ah, but I have not two computers :-)
The nice thing about Linux is that the latest kernelversions run on the
oldest architectures (though a little slower, of course)
Get yourselves an old 386- or 486-machine for 10$, put Linux on it, connect
them via something (serial line, networkcards, whatever) and whoops! you're
gone.
--
Greetings,
Wouter
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From: "Wouter Verhelst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS word and linux
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:09:25 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Wouter Verhelst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> ' That is true: +-65Mb.
> ' But IMHO it's worth it.
>
> Isn't that about half the size of MS Office?
Which version?
Office 4.5 is 31 1.44" disks (have it hanging around here somewhere)
Office 97 is half a CD-ROM
Office 2000 is 2 CDs (at least, I heard)
Looks like M$ has got shares in a Harddisk company too, or something ;)
--
Greetings,
Wouter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arjan Drieman)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Linux helpdesk
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:20:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:22:06 -0600, Steven Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm thinking about starting up a pay-per-call Linux help desk using a
>1-900 number. I would use a web-page and e-mail to make the initial
>contact with potential customers. I would use the e-mail to evaluate
>the current state of the customers computer and decide if I would be
>able to help the person in a reasonable amount of time. Once I have
>established what needed to be done , I would give the customer the
>number to call.
>There are many advantage of a helpdesk over traditional ways people
>get Linux help. Problem could be fixed in a timely manner instead of
>the question and answer session drag on for days in Usenet.
Whenever i've had a question (not too often ;-) ), I found them
answered the same day. I expect though, that a lot of desktop
lusers aren't familiar with Usenet.
>A helpdesk would be better than IRC, because with IRC you tend to get
>pot-luck, and then your competing with others for attention.
I have very good experiences with the openproject IRC network.
Desktop lusers are even less likely to find *that* though.
>I guess it all comes down to a matter of price, and how much people
>are willing to pay. I'm thinking I could to a simple NFS or NIS
>installation for about $40-$60 over the phone.
I would never pay that amount of money for that type of support.
Mostly because I know where to get my information from. Most
linux hobbyists do.
Home lusers won't pay that amount either, I think, because
they're getting a cheap Linux distro (download or cheapbytes).
They're also not likely to run into problems related to those
subjects.
Larger companies will have a BOFH (or a PFY ;-) ) who'll
definitely know more than you about un*x.
Leaves you the smaller companies w/o decent sysadmin.
>Do you think this is a good idea?
It might have some potential.
>Do you think if I were to make announcements to this news group that I
>was spamming?
Spam is defined and computable. Read a spam faq.
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html
Basic guideline for posting announcements for commercial services is:
- Keep your announcement short, a summary with a pointer to a website
and a phone/fax number (Some people reading newsgroups don't have
access to websites)
- Don't use shouty capitals. It'll annoy people
- Post in groups where the announcement is on-topic
- Make sure to read followups to your announcement
- Make sure you use a valid email address so people can reply by email
- Don't post it too often, max 1 per month
- Make sure you tell the reader that you're announcing a commercial
service
- If you crosspost it to multiple (not too many!) linux groups, make
sure to use the Followup-To: header to direct followups to one
newsgroup
- Multiposting it to several linux groups is deadly
- Participating in discussions and helping people in the forums is a
much better way to make your service known by your public than an
advertisement every so often
>Do you think this message is spamming?
No, it's asking for advice.
Arjan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:56 GMT
Clear, cogent, relevant, and understandable to anyone...
You're not from around here, are you?
[quote snipped to appease the SAN gods]
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Peter Wayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is there any demand for Linux training?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:24:08 GMT
Clive Gould wrote:
> >Is there any real demand for Linux training yet?
>
>
Sure. I've gotten several offers to speak for a half hour and just
explain what the
heck open source software is.
Some of the offices are starting to adopt Linux for some of the backroom
things.
The most popular training today will be courses aimed at IT programmers
who want
to keep things running. They are the most likely folks to be converted
today because
they're judged on results.
--
-=-=-=-
Peter Wayner-- Turn to http://wwww.wayner.org/books/ffa/
for info on _Free for All_, a book about the open source/free
software movement. It will be published in July by HarperBusiness.
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From: John Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Kernel loadable modules...
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:14:48 -0400
David Steuber wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows) writes:
>
> ' For this reason, they can't expect to just throw out one binary module and
> ' hope to keep Linux users satisfied. The thing for them to do would be to
> ' keep the source for their module around and grab the latest kernel source
> ' every couple of months, then try to build their module against that source
> ' and make it available for download/whatever as "foomodule-2.2.19.o". This
> ' would allow users to stay with reasonably current kernels, and allow
> ' companies to protect their oh-so-precious intellectual property.
>
> What you say makes sense. And those bastards do consider their
> 'inellectual' property to be precious. Has anyone been successful
> getting the information necessary to write a driver for the Logitech
> QuickCam VC ( USB camera ) yet? Pulling teeth from an angry tiger is
> much, much easier! :-(.
>
> How close is epsilon to zero?
>
> --
> David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
> NRA Member | a hoploholic.
>
> All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
> -- Charles Babbage Orwell
I find it difficult to understand this concept of drivers for hardware being
"intellectual property".
The whole point behind providing a driver is to sell hardware. The more
operating systems a manufacturere's hardware can be used with, the more
hardware they can sell.
Spreading around the knowledge of how to write drivers for a particular rodent
or camera means that the manufacturer gets free development and a larger
market. This translates to dollars on their bottom line.
Unfortunately, there are braindead individuals in the marketing departments who
feel that making available information about registers and such will allow
competitors to copy their hardware. The logic of this escapes me. Anyone who
wants to copy your hardware will take it apart and figure out what makes it
tick.
Furthermore, with the rate at which technology changes, any device is obsolete
fairly quickly so it would seem that free developer services would be a good
thing.
I guess the thing to do would be boycott manufacturers who don't co-operate
with open-source developers and only purchase from those who do. As Linux
becomes more main stream the clout of the open-source community will increase
and our boycotts will be more meaningful.
We can also suggest to those who use windows that they choose alternative
hardware. That is hardware from manufacturers who support open-source. After
all they may be more likely to provide support to their users.
BTW is there a web site that lists all co-operative and unco-operative
manufacturers????
--
John Gluck (Passport Kernel Design Group)
(613) 765-8392 ESN 395-8392
Unless otherwise stated, any opinions expressed here are strictly my own
and do not reflect any official position of Nortel Networks.
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