Linux-Misc Digest #865, Volume #24 Mon, 19 Jun 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
question on ghostscript installation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (JEDIDIAH)
Re: IBM Thinkpad 380D with linux? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Linux Hangs (freeze) HELP. (Ron)
Re: problem with rh6.2/nt dual boot (Milo Simonic)
RH6.2 - Odd problem with man files (Eric Rountree)
command line mail attachement (Brent R Brian)
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (Dances With Crows)
Re: Tape backup: tar versus dump (Ronald Cole)
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (brian moore)
Re: command line mail attachement (brian moore)
Re: RH 6.0 - Printing not working - seems to setup fine in PRINTTOOL though (Ronald
Cole)
Message in /var/log/message and TCP (Kevin Clark)
Re: Upgrading from RH 6.0 ---> RH 6.2 (Ronald Cole)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: question on ghostscript installation
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:10:57 GMT
hi,
I've just downloaded and I'm in the process of installing ver 6.21 of
ghostscript and the necessary libraries. Now I've run into a snag with
the make install. I'm getting this error.
"No rule to make target `jpeg/jpeglib.h', needed by `obj/jpeglib0.h'
stop"
Now before I started the make install I did the install for all the
nesscary files.
So does anyone know what I need to do to get gs 6.21 to install and to
make the above error to go away? Thanks.
DancesWithWords
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:15:02 GMT
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT, Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>
>This is a delayed crosspost that I first made to alt.os.linux. I've had
>one helpful reply so far, but it would be still more help to hear a
>couple more.
>
>Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
>article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
>chosen Linux for its very big PC cluster. The business people at this
>company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
>costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
>because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
>help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
>staff.
>
>I have a couple questions:
>
>1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
>if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
...less problems less people. Although they could likely get
the same effect by dumping any Win9x seats in favor of NT.
However, Linux and Unix in general allow for remote management.
This remote management could even be offsite and subcontracted.
[deletia]
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
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/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 380D with linux?
Date: 19 Jun 2000 15:18:08 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[posted and mailed]
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:00:13 GMT, ral
<<8iln38$rnl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>You have an IBM Thinkpad 380D running Linux? Which Linux? I'm thinking
>of getting one. How much memory would you recomend (16MB from IBM seems
>pretty skimpy).
Get as much memory as you can. I reccommend at least 32 if you want
decent performance, 48 or 80 if you can afford it. You can find expansion
SIMMs for the 380D from various memory dealers linked to from
http://pricewatch.com/ .
>Any limitation on running Linux? Any suggestions/advice?
Not as far as I can tell. With a modern distro (RedHat 6.2, SuSE 6.4,
Mandrake 7.0, Slack 7) it's as simple as booting from the CD, though for
SuSE 6.4, you have to use the text-based install as the graphical one
requires 64M (!). The only gotcha I found was the sound... RedHat's
sndconfig picks things up fairly well, but the right commands are as
follows just in case:
modprobe sound dmabuf=1
modprobe cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=9
modprobe opl3 io=0x388
Pick up the tpctrl package from http://freshmeat.net/ as it's handy for
messing with the power management and for setting the parallel port to
EPP. Also, the NumLock doesn't seem to work quite right under X, but that
never slowed me down. HTH,
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Hangs (freeze) HELP.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:00:23 -0400
Rafael wrote:
>
> My Linux (Red Hat 6.2, kernel 2.14 and 6.1) hangs. I run on the same
> computer Windows 98 and it works without hangings. I would like use
> only Linux on this computer but I can't. It hangs (freeze), the reset
> button could not restart computer (black screen). I have to turn power
> of (Hard reset). Please help me. What could be the reason.
...snip...
> Rafael
Try removing your modem card & sound card and see how long the system runs. Set
the cpu voltage back to 2.4--it's best to keep it at the rated voltage. Did you
see my previous post on this problem? I'll include some of it here. My system
has now been working flawlessly since I selected "load bios defaults".
Ron
Ron wrote:
>
> I think I got my system working, at least it ran overnight without locking
> up! I did this by going back to the bios and (after writing down all the
> settings) selecting load bios defaults. The bios had been adjusted by
> either the board manufacturer, or the local pc shop that pieced together the
> system for us. It was most likely optimized for MS Windows, as that's the
> operating system they put in the machine.
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> >I installed RH 6.1 on a Pentium II machine, but am experiencing random
> >lockups which require a hard reset to get out of. It required several
> >attempts just to get linux installed on the machine, and it won't run for a
> >full hour before locking up. The hardware itself should be ok, as the same
> >machine has been running Windows 95 for the past two years with only the
> >typical occasional (and bothersome) Windows crashes!
>
> If I were you, I'd try replacing (or just re-seating) the memory and see if
> that cures the problem. Win95 and Linux are very different in the way that
> they load memory, and if that particular portion of memory is marginal,
> one may run OK and the other may not. Another possible diagnostic is to
> download a memory test program and let that see if there's a problem.
>
> Your problem appears to me to be either a memory problem or possibly a
> marginal or faulty motherboard. These are the most likely causes for
> a machine locking up as you describe. To diagnose motherboard problems, try
> changing the settings in the BIOS for how the PCI bus operates. This can
> vary a lot from board to board, chipset to chipset, and BIOS to BIOS,
> but what you want is to change settings to make the system slower (and
> hopefully less likely to lock up.) Make a note of the settings you have
> before fiddling!
>
> Another (unlikely) possibility is that your power supply is getting a bit
> marginal. This one is hard to diagnose, as it would require swapping the
> PS with a known-good one. Lots of cables, and I never do this without having
> qualms about getting something connected backwards. The "AT" style connectors
> which can be connected wrong and blow everything sky-high give me nightmares.
>
> So check the memory first, and try the down-clocking before moving to the PS.
>
> >The system consists of an Asus P2L97 motherboard, Award BIOS, Intel Pentium
> >II/233 MHz, 64 MB RAM, Trident Super VGA card, and 3Com 3C905 network card.
> >I do not have a sound card, and I experience the same problems in runlevel 3
> >(i.e. not running X windows). This is a clean installation of RH 6.1 & all
> >current updates on a linux-only machine.
>
>
> Since it occurs with the plain console interface, it would appear *not* to be
> a video driver (wrong X driver) problem. That leaves only memory, BIOS, or
> other hardware problem. If you pull the 3Com card, you can eliminate that as
> well, but frankly it's highly unlikely to be the source of the problem.
>
> >Could this be some type of BIOS setting or motherboard problem? Has anyone
> >else had similar problems?
>
> Yes. And yes, I've had similar problems, all of which were ultimately traced
> (sometimes after lots of fiddling) to bad hardware. Best of luck to you. And
> find the problem, as in my opinion you cannot trust a machine that won't run
> linux. There must be something wrong with your hardware or BIOS settings, and
> you'll never find out what it is under Win95.
>
> Best of luck to you.
>
> Charles.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:27:04 +0200
From: Milo Simonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: problem with rh6.2/nt dual boot
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A small utility called bootpart.exe worked for me. I had exactly the same
problem as you, no How-to's did not help. You'll find it on
www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm
Hope it helps,
Milo
Tom Dorgan wrote:
> I re-read the FAQ and searched the net and scanned the newsgroups. I have a
> 13 gb drive. I installed NT 4.0 w/s sp6a first. I installed NT in the first
> 2 gb, then skipped 2gb and put ~9gb for my 2nd NT partition. I got NT
> working fine.
>
> Then I installed RH 6.2 on the 2gb partition (sector 561). No problem. I
> didnt let LILO write the MBR and I did generate a boot floppy. linux boots
> fine from the floppy and NT boots just like it did before from the hard
> disk. I only created ' /' and '/boot' linux partitions.
>
> then I followed the FAQ instructions for setting up the NT loader to dual
> boot with linux (http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html).
> This worked before for me.
>
> I peeled off the initial segments of /hda3 /hda5 as well as from the boot
> floppy
> fd0 and tried all of them in NT boot.ini without success. The images from
> the hard drive (hda3 & hda5) do nothing and the image from fd0 prints out
> "80 80 80 80"... and whacks the floppy disk drive. It will boot if I pop in
> the boot floppy, but that's not the idea.
>
> any ideas as to where to proceed from here would be greatly appreciated.
>
> cheers,
> tom.
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From: Eric Rountree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH6.2 - Odd problem with man files
Date: 19 Jun 2000 15:29:42 -0400
Hello to all.
I'm having an unusual problem with certain man files under RedHat
Linux 6.2. If I type the command "man man" I get a blank screen with
[END] at the bottom. Typing "q" will quit as usual. If I instead type
"man /usr/man/man1/man.1.gz" then I get the man page for man as I
would expect.
I have the same problem with the man pages for "mount" and "umount." I
haven't discovered any other man pages that behave this way.
This is very odd. The man files are intact, but I can't access them
normally unless I type the full path to them. Interestingly, if I type
"man grep" (which is in the man1 directory along with man), it works
normally.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Eric
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Department of Computing & Information Science
Goodwin Hall, Room 551
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From: Brent R Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: command line mail attachement
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:35:43 -0400
I need a mail program (command line) that can handle attachments ??
B
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: 19 Jun 2000 15:42:22 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT, Oliver Baker
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
>article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
Interesting.
>The business people at this
>company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
>costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
>because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
>help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
>staff.
>
>1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
>if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
Not really, at least not in the short term. Free help from Usenet is a
mixed bag. Sometimes you get exactly what you're looking for right away,
sometimes you get misleading information, sometimes you get flames,
sometimes you get completely ignored. Also, in the beginning of the
switchover, there would be a big need for some support staff onsite/easily
reachable as lots of users/admins run into common problems and/or get
confused.
After users settle in and get used to reading man pages/HTML docs, support
costs would drop. I think companies could have fewer people, but they
might need more competent people. (2 Unix BOFH-types at $90,000 each is
less expensive than 6 tech-support Bobs at $30,000 each, factoring in
health insurance/benefits/etc.) ICBW on all that, of course.
>2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
>numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
>at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
>generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
>kindness of strangers.
Good question. <soapbox>I believe that I am *required* to help people
with Linux support, as my code's full of nasty quick hacks and I'm too
poor to give loads of cash to the FSF, yet I need to give back to the
community in some way. As such, if I can help somebody, I will, whether
they're Joe Home User or Jane Corporate User. Linux has been built on a
culture of altruism and knowledge-sharing; we should keep it up as much as
possible and encourage those who've learned something to share it.
</soapbox>
That said, I'd be more motivated, less sarcastic/bitchy, and able to help
more people if somebody were paying me by the hour to solve Linux
problems.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Tape backup: tar versus dump
Date: 19 Jun 2000 12:42:15 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> BTW, I also discovered that TAR has a 2GB file limit!!! So I can't use
> this one either...
That's a *filesystem* limit, I believe. I've dumped more than 2gig to
tape many times with tar.
--
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Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (760) 499-9142
President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152
My GPG fingerprint: C3AF 4BE9 BEA6 F1C2 B084 4A88 8851 E6C8 69E3 B00B
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: 19 Jun 2000 19:50:53 GMT
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT,
Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> This is a delayed crosspost that I first made to alt.os.linux. I've had
> one helpful reply so far, but it would be still more help to hear a
> couple more.
>
> Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
> article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
> chosen Linux for its very big PC cluster. The business people at this
> company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
> costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
> because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
> help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
> staff.
>
> I have a couple questions:
>
> 1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
> if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
17 supportile units less!
> 2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
> numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
> at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
> generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
> kindness of strangers.
If they have semi-clueful admin staff, Linux doesn't need much support.
There isn't a lot of "mystery black box" stuff with Linux: the vast
majority is very well documented and not very complex. As long as they
RTFM they will need very little support from others.
Without knowing their current staffing and how they spend their time,
it's impossible to say whether it will make a difference to them.
Certainly if their staff has Linux or Unix experience they will find
their jobs easier. If they spend much of their time training users
("okay, click the little letter picture to get a new font..."), that
won't change with an OS change -- they would have to replace the users
for that to change substantially.
> So far, one person has said it doesn't matter what the affliation is of
> who is asking (though their perceived attitude does).
I agree.
> I'd be grateful for any comments.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: command line mail attachement
Date: 19 Jun 2000 19:52:03 GMT
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:35:43 -0400,
Brent R Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need a mail program (command line) that can handle attachments ??
mutt -a example.c [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 - Printing not working - seems to setup fine in PRINTTOOL though
Date: 19 Jun 2000 12:56:30 -0700
"Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've installed RH 6.0 and used PRINTTOOL to setup the printer, an HP
> DeskJet. When I try to print though (even the ASCII test page), nothing
> happens. It's like it's not really even trying to send anything to the
> printer.
>
> When I setup the printer in PRINTTOOL, it detects my parallel port as lp0.
> Anything I can try to see what might be causing the problem?
Check the IRQ assigned to the port you have the printer plugged into
and make sure you're using the correct /dev/lp[0-2]. See "man 4 lp".
--
Forte International, P.O. Box 1412, Ridgecrest, CA 93556-1412
Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (760) 499-9142
President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152
My GPG fingerprint: C3AF 4BE9 BEA6 F1C2 B084 4A88 8851 E6C8 69E3 B00B
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From: Kevin Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Message in /var/log/message and TCP
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:01:45 GMT
I keep getting this message in /var/log/message. What does it mean?
inetd[727]: auth/tcp: bind: Address already in use
and
inetd[12961]: ftp/tcp: bind: Address already in use
I have both of these services offered in inetd.conf
Thanks
Kevin Clark
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From: Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Upgrading from RH 6.0 ---> RH 6.2
Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:04:58 -0700
"Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm thinking of upgrading my current RH 6.0 install to RH 6.2. Has anyone
> else done this? How hard is it and is there a HOW-TO describing the steps
> required?
My 6.0 to 6.1 upgrade was not uneventful. I spent a lot of time
digging through the ppp changes alone and getting my system functional
after the upgrade. Then, there were so many horror stories posted
about the 6.1 to 6.2 upgrade that I just backed up my files and did a
fresh install and configuration. I was back up and running in a few
hours as opposed to the three solid days I spent on my 6.0 to 6.1
debacle. That's my experience, anyway. IMHO, RedHat needs to spend
more time on improving their "upgrade" experience.
--
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Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (760) 499-9142
President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152
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