Linux-Misc Digest #908, Volume #24 Fri, 23 Jun 00 20:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Robie Basak)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Robie Basak)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Robie Basak)
Re: linux and c (Dances With Crows)
Re: tool for joining various (text) files, editing and splitting them (John Hasler)
Re: info/texinfo to man pages (John Hasler)
Re: The X Server... (The Darkener)
VMware and devices ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RealPlayer....help (The Darkener)
Re: Message in /var/log/message and TCP (The Darkener)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Bob)
Re: Can't mount cdrom (John)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (David Steuber)
Re: gcc-2.95.2 rpm? Where? (David Steuber)
Re: LILO SUSE 6.4 (Ian Mortimer)
Tin newsreader (Bryan Hoyt)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Carl J. Boll)
Re: System can not run ("Tom Hoffmann")
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Rich Braun)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Joachim Feise)
Re: tar 1.1.13 and incremental backup problems (ljb)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Rich Braun)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Jun 2000 22:00:31 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:38:12 GMT, Christopher Browne said:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when David Steuber would say:
>>"Josh H. Turiel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>[...]
>
>>You said it your self about hammers and nails. The fact is, there are
>>even more Office solutions than the commercial ones you mentioned
>>above. The KDE project has KOffice which is getting good reviews.
>>The GNOME project is working on there office suit. That adds two
>>different open source, GPL competitors to the mix.
>
>KOffice isn't released yet, so it's not reasonable to treat it
>_vastly_ better than vaporware. They don't appear to have anything
>quite comparable to Excel (to parallel the increasingly credible
>Gnumeric of GNOME).
Have you tried KOffice? In the Open Source world, just because it
hasn't been released doesn't mean that you can't use it, not that I
think it's any good :-)
Robie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Jun 2000 22:02:58 GMT
On 22 Jun 2000 17:21:08 -0800, Floyd Davidson said:
>David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Nowadays you can easily produce some pretty flashy brochures
>>with near-photo quality images using common MS applications &
>>the new generation of printers--certain to impress the
>>superficial folks who can't be bothered by content.
>
>You can produce even prettier and more flashy brochures
>using vi/Emacs/XEmacs and TeX/LaTeX. Matter of fact, the
>last "flashy brochure" that I made was a menu for the
>daily lunch specials at a local Sushi Bar. The whole point
>was that I could typeset it just as easily as a local print
>shop, at practically no cost. Using common MS applications
>wasn't even in the running...
Ah, but one can quite often tell when someone used a common MS
application to do there nice flashy brochure - they quite often look
very similar :-)
>[...]
Robie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Jun 2000 22:05:41 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:47:13 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>In comp.os.linux.misc David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> Linux is pretty cool. When I download some nifty new software and
>> have to recompile it for my setup, it's neat that I can do that,
>> but it's a pain that I have too.
>
>You most certainly DON'T have to though, do you? Ever heard of RPMs?
>Usefull, aren't they? Ever heard of .DEBs? Usefull, aren't they?
Isn't it nice how there's one standard interface for installing a
package, through which you can easily check which files were installed
where, read any additional install scripts and quickly verify that all
installed files are still present and undamaged?
>[...]
Robie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: linux and c
Date: 23 Jun 2000 18:12:00 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:06:15 +0200, Peter Unertl
<<8j0jlt$1ft$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>hallo world
>i want to write and compile for fun
>little c programms under linux
>has someone a hint tip or idea how
>i can access the linux c tools and get started.
0. Write a program in a file called "hello.c" using a text editor (vim,
emacs, nedit...)
1. gcc -o hello hello.c
2. ./hello
gcc is the Gnu C Compiler and is included with all distros of Linux. It
is fully featured and most of its simpler command-line options are the
same as those of commercial cc's for other Unices. There are a bunch of
resources on the Web for beginning C programmers; go to http://google.com/
and enter "C tutorial" in the search box and see what you find.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tool for joining various (text) files, editing and splitting them
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:55:39 GMT
Uwe writes:
> Yep, but first it is non trivial to use these commands for various files
> and set marks such that cat and split works smoothly together, so I
> thought some comfortable tool may exist which does the job for you.
There is. It's called 'bash'. BTW you may want to look at 'csplit'.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: info/texinfo to man pages
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:01:00 GMT
John Culleton writes:
> I need a program that takes any info formatted file and makes it into a
> man page.
You want texi2man. It converts a texinfo file (the source for info files)
to a man page.
Here it is:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
# $Id: $
# Written by Adrian Mariano, additional features by Eric Backus
# Script to translate a texinfo file into an nroff manual page.
$version="1.01";
$html=0;
$ignore=0;
$tex=0;
$doman=0;
$title=0;
$diditem=0;
$justdidlp=1;
$noman=0;
$manprefix="";
$args=($#ARGV < 0) ? "stdin" : "@ARGV";
printf(".\\\"Do not edit this file. It was created from %s\n", $args);
printf(".\\\"using texi2man version %s on %s", $version, `date`);
printf(".\\\"If you want a typeset version, you will probably get better\n");
printf(".\\\"results with the original file.\n.\\\"\n");
while(<>)
{
if (s/\@c man //) { print; next; }
if (/\@c noman/) { $noman=1; next; }
if (/\@c end noman/) { $noman=0; next; }
if ($noman) { next; }
if (/\@c ifman\s*(.*)/) { $doman=1; $manprefix = $1; next; }
if (/\@c end ifman/) { $doman=0; $manprefix = ""; next; }
if (/^\\input/) { next; }
if (/^\*/) { next; }
if (/^START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY/) { next; }
if (/^END-INFO-DIR-ENTRY/) { next; }
if (/\@titlepage/) { $title=1; next; }
if (/\@end titlepage/) { $title=0; next; }
if (/\@tex/) { $tex=1; next; }
if (/\@end tex/) { $tex=0; next; }
if (/\@ignore/) { $ignore=1; next; }
if (/\@end ignore/) { $ignore=0; next; }
if (/\@ifhtml/) { $html=1; next; }
if (/\@end ifhtml/) { $html=0; next; }
if (!$doman && ($ignore || $html || $title || $tex)) { next; }
s/\@cite\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@code\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@email\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@file\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@kbd\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@samp\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@url\{([^}]*)}/\\`$1'/g;
s/\@dfn\{([^}]*)}/\"$1\"/g;
s/\@key\{([^}]*)}/<$1>/g;
s/\@emph\{([^}]*)}/\\fI$1\\fR/g;
s/\@strong\{([^}]*)}/\\fB$1\\fR/g;
s/\@var\{([^}]*)}/\U$1\E/g;
s/\@sc\{([^}]*)}/\U$1\E/g;
s/\@w\{([^}]*)}/$1/g;
s/\@pxref\{([^}]*)}/See \\fI$1\\fR/g;
s/\@footnote\{([^}]*)}/[$1]/g;
s/\@minus\{}/-/g;
s/\@copyright\{}/(C)/g;
s/\@noindent//;
s/\@\{/{/g;
s/\@}/}/g;
s/\@\@/@/g;
s/\'\'/\"/;
s/\`\`/\"/;
s/---/--/;
s/\@value\{([^\s]+)}/$value{$1}/eg;
if (/\@set\s+([^\s]+)\s+(.*)$/) { $value{$1} = $2; next; }
if (/\@clear\s+([^\s]+)\s+(.*)$/) { delete $value{$1}; next; }
if (/\@itemx (.*)/) { printf(", $1"); $diditem=1; next; }
elsif ($diditem) { printf("\n"); $diditem=0; }
if (/\@item (.*)/)
{
printf("%s.TP\n%s.B $1", $manprefix, $manprefix);
$diditem=1;
next;
}
if (s/\@chapter (.*)/.SH \U$1\E/)
{
printf("%s%s", $manprefix, $_);
$justdidlp=1;
next;
}
if (s/\@section (.*)/$1/)
{
printf("%s.B %s", $manprefix, $_);
next;
}
if (/\@example/) { printf("%s.nf\n", $manprefix); $example=1; next; }
if (/\@end example/) { printf("%s.fi\n", $manprefix); $example=0; next; }
if (/\@display/) { printf("%s.nf\n", $manprefix); $example=1; next; }
if (/\@end display/) { printf("%s.fi\n", $manprefix); $example=0; next; }
if (/\@format/) { printf("%s.nf\n", $manprefix); $example=1; next; }
if (/\@end format/) { printf("%s.fi\n", $manprefix); $example=0; next; }
if (/\@smallexample/) { printf("%s.nf\n", $manprefix); $example=1; next; }
if (/\@end smallexample/) { printf("%s.fi\n", $manprefix); $example=0; next; }
if (!$example && /^\s*$/ && !$doman)
{
if ($justdidlp) { next; }
printf(".PP\n");
$justdidlp=1;
next;
}
if (/^\@/) { next; }
printf("%s%s", $manprefix, $_);
if (!$doman) { $justdidlp=0; }
}
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: nf.comp.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: The X Server...
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:30:00 GMT
<Snip>
> h> So really, the computer running the X server could be a stand-alone
> h> computer without an x client at all....
>
> Yes. In fact, early on there were a lot of hardware called X terminals,
> which were very small systems with some flash or similar storage, a
> dollop of memory, a big monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse, and that's it.
>
> There is a protocol these X terminals use to connect to other "big
> systems" where your home directory, etc. lived, and the clients ran on
> the "big system" and the X terminal had essentially nothing but the
> X server process on it.
>
> Then everyone decided that was too slow and they wanted their own
> hardware. Now that networks and "big systems" are getting fast enough,
> it looks like things might be moving back that way again.
That is one of my projects on my home LAN... I've got a cheapo computer (P-120) in
my living room that I'm going to install a PC-2-TV card in, hook it up to my
television + my lan (which the server resides in my bedroom), and then I'll have
WebTV! (Well, sorta, a remote X client running a wm and netscape works though!)
I'm also going to run remote speakers (which are hooked up to an amp which in turn
is hooked up to the server's sound card) and then run xmms off of the remote
client, pulling mp3 files from the server in my bedroom, and hearing/controlling
them in the living room (and/or in my bedroom depending on where I want to flip the
main/remote speaker knob at that particular moment).
Ahh, the beauty of Linux networking. =)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: VMware and devices
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:21:55 GMT
Does anyone have any experience of VMware causing Linux to 'forget' a
device like /dev/lp0 or /dev/eth0? I'm running RedHat6.2 and VMware
with NT4 as the guest OS. Athlon 800MHz/mainboard. Linux mysteriously
could not detect /dev/lp0 overnight with VMware running.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RealPlayer....help
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:43:59 GMT
I refuse to use RealPlayer anymore in Linux. I dunno if it was the RealPlayer
software related or not, but last time I tried to view an .AVI file with it,
it locked up my system (or at least my keyboard, so I couldn't get to another
console) and I had to hard-boot it. When I did, I lost about 2 days worth of
files in my home directory due to lost inodes.
Blah. Never trust commercial software.
"Kent A. Signorini" wrote:
> Does anyone know why RealPlayer 7 refuses to open .mpgs, .avis, etc. on my
> machine and reports an error code, instead? I have followed the menus:
> help | install mime types and plugins but it still won't open anything
> except .rm files.
>
> But it opens and plays .rm's fine.
>
> Kent A. Signorini
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Message in /var/log/message and TCP
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:51:45 GMT
Hehehehe.... =) And newbies wonder why Linux is so confusing... =p~~~
"Could it be.............SATAN?"
Villy Kruse wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:45:45 GMT,
> Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On 19 Jun 2000 20:30:05 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Sounds like you have two copies of inetd running.
> >
> >Yes, after the 6.2 upgrade it is probably starting both via inetd
> >and init.d.
> >
>
> Both of inetd processes started from inetd and init.d?
> ^^^^^
>
> Probably thinking about identd or in.identd; the auth server.
>
> Villy
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From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:56:14 -0400
On 23 Jun 2000 11:54:42 GMT, "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It's replacing a deficit in mentality that I don't lack.
It's not a question of mentality. It's a question of getting the
job done. Using a word processor isn't my job: It's a tool I use
to get my job done. A WYSIWYG tool is much faster to learn and
use for 99% of the people in the world... at all levels of
"intelligence". But don't take my word for it. Go out and take a
look at what people run on their desktops. It ain't Unix/Linux
and vi, that's for sure.
>Isn't that easier than floundering around looking
>for menus and shortcuts?
Yes, I'd much rather flounder around with an archaic text editor
and a formatting language that's ancient history.
bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John)
Subject: Re: Can't mount cdrom
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:56:05 GMT
First; I did make dep not depmod but the kicker is that I was not
putting the new kernel in the right place. Once I put it in the right
place all but the cdrom and isofs symbols resolved. Any thoughts on
these. Are they neede for the ide-scsi when mounting a ide cdrom as a
scsi.
I am now able to mount my cdrom in the cd-rw (it only took me a month)
Now when I try to mount the cdrom in the read only drive it starts
to mount but says that there is no media in it and ejects the disk. I
have tried a couple of disk and they all do the same thing. The
device id is hdd and is after the cd-rw which is also the scsi drive
(hdc) Could me problem be the unresolved symbols above or something
else. I tried to do a insmod with the cdrom and it said thet it
counldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for.
Thank you all for your help and hope to hear from you soon.
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:18:36 -0700, Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>John wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your reply
>>
>> I have just got done:
>> make mrproper
>> make depmod
>> make modules
>> make bzImage
>> make modules_install
>>
>> (in that order)
>> and now I have more unresolve symbols than when I started.
>
>Maybe it is so obvious that you did not bother to mention it, but you
>did install the newly compiled kernel?
>
>--
>My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
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Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:59:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
' On 23 Jun 2000 05:13:58 -0800, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
' >Charles Philip Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
' >>>>>>> "David" == David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' >>
' >> > I've never seen Vi or Emacs reformat a document capriciously and
' >> > maliciously. Vi and Emacs don't seem to have an autosave
' >> > feature that saves the document you are working on every five
' >> > minutes just incase the computer crashes.
' >>
' >>Don't know about Vi but X/Emacs does have an outosave feature.
' >>
' >>Charles
' >
' >Which very few people ever turn on, because they are running it
' >on a unix box, which doesn't crash 3 times a day.
'
' It's typically on by default.
I shouldn't have used autosaving as an example. Some Emacs and Vi
users are on dialup connections that may be droped, so being able to
recover from that is important.
However, I stand firm on the formating issue which is far more
important. I know one person who would love to trade Word for
something that doesn't reformat a technical document on a whim.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: gcc-2.95.2 rpm? Where?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:00:00 GMT
Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' Anyone knowing where to find a gcc-2.95.2 rpm?
I'm sure you have a very good reason for wanting an rpm. However, you
will find, if you tried, that building GCC from source is very easy if
you already have an older compiler installed. Plus, you can have both
compilers available at the same time if you happen to ever have need
of compiling source that prefers the older compiler.
Source is available from http://gcc.gnu.org.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: Ian Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO SUSE 6.4
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:59:57 +0000
Douglas Lithgow wrote:
>
> Does Suse 6.4 (DVD edition as supplied on UK PC mag), contain the LILO
> that is not affected by the 1024 cyliner issue ?
Just wondering what PC mag that DVD come on ? - Was it a cover disc ?
Rgds,
Ian.
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From: Bryan Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tin newsreader
Date: 24 Jun 2000 11:18:47 +1200
Hi! I want to figure out how to use tin properly eventually, but at the
moment, can someone please just tell me a quick way to download, say, the
last 50 messages from a newsgroup (rec.music.classical) on to a specific file on my
hard
drive, and do that only. I've tried various things, but they all seem to
take forever, and never get finished, or at least take far longer than it
seems it should.
If you can tell me how to do the same thing with another console-based
newsreader, say emacs or trn, I would be just as happy.
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl J. Boll)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: 10 Jun 2000 08:22:16 -0500
When it comes to pure processing speed the current winner in
this debate is Intel, no doubt about it.
However, when looking at a system to serve files, process
data and manage multiple tasks processing speed isn't the
only criteria.
Sun builds expensive, reliable well designed (for the most
part) servers and clients that can be installed easily and
do what they are designed to do. Solaris (and SunOS) has
gone through many revisions and even without any add on
suites it is remarkably reliable.
This isn't the case with Intel machines. First you have
to decide either on a motherboard (and chipset) or a PC
manufacturer (like Dell, Compaq or H. P.) and then go from
there. If you make a poor choice in motherboards the CPU's
speed won't count for much.
I personally have a Tyan Tomcat IV with dual P-233 MMX CPU's
for my own personal server. I also have several older
Suns on my personal network as well. They are very good
machines and extremely reliable. My main server up until
4 years ago was a Sun 3/160. I still use it as a Point of
Sale server at antique computer shows with 16 serial terminals
and at least as many clients on the ethernet.
If I am installing a network in a small business for P. O. S.
(point of sale) I look at exactly what is required. One of
the biggest factors is going to be cost and reliability. For
such an application I generally suggest that an Intel based
server be used with Windows 9X as an OS and Intel based
computers be used for terminals. In a small application
like this where only employees have access, there are no
external data lines and the most intensive access is still
small (less than 5 terminals) there is no need for stringent
security, high bandwidth, etc. Cost is the main focus in a
very small business application as well as maintainability.
They can't afford a system administrator so it becomes a very
important factor that there be only one OS and that it be
easy to use. I haven't found NT to be as reliable in these
cases (calls back to installations for troubleshooting).
In a medium sized install where money is tight I am now
looking at Intel machines (Dell, HP and Compaq) for servers
running LINUX and VMWare and running Windows on the server
(NT or 9X) especially if it is a WAN or is used to access
the internet. LINUX can be used as a firewall in this case
and requires only minimal maintainance while providing very
good security.
At this point I should mention that P. O. S. software runs
under MS-DOS.
In large installs I recommend that a Sun be used, especially
if it is going to be an internet based business. Suns are
without a doubt reliable. This is a case where money is
usually secondary to reliability and security is a must.
So what is my point? Suns have a place, they are a tool
just like many other computers are tools. The same is
true of an operating system. No one OS or computer is the
answer to all installations or problems. A good consultant
understands that and makes decisions decided on the needs
of his customer not on his preferences. He tries to give
his client the proper tools to do the job. I love Suns
but they aren't affordable for a lot of small applications
and they just can't be recommended because I like them.
Carl
--
Carl Boll: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System can not run
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:31:07 GMT
> VFS: Insert root floppy disk to be loaded into RAM disk and press
> Enter. warning: unable to open a initial console. Kernel panic:
> no init found. Try passing init=option to kernel.
Do you have an /etc/inittab file?
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From: Rich Braun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:34:24 -0400
Floyd Davidson wrote:
> Do you really think that the vi or emacs of today is the same
> one that was around in 1980????
Well, it's *possible* that vi has changed since then. But I only use the
commands that I learned in 1978.
-rich
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From: Joachim Feise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:41:29 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Hasler wrote:
>
> Bill Unruh writes:
> > Although his contention is that all bugs are shallow in open source, this
> > is less true than it should be. See the recent bug report on the
> > PGP5.0(?) disasterous bug for automatically generated keys.
>
> PGP is not free software.
Well, there is the commercial NAI PGP, the free, non-commercial version
distributed by MIT for US and Canadian citizens, and there is PGPI, which
is available internationally, in source code.
The commercial use of PGP requires a license, but not the non-commercial
versions.
The current versions of PGP are not under GPL, though.
>From http://www.pgpi.org/doc/faq/pgpi/en/:
<<<
The source code for PGP 2.3a and earlier is distributed under GPL -
the General Public License - so it can be used freely in your own
programs.
The source code for PGP 2.6 and later may be used as a whole in
unmodified form in products you write for your own non-commercial
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included, any modification of the code may require a further license
from Ascom Systec AG
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a
hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build
a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate,
act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization
is for insects.
--Robert A. Heinlein as "Lazarus Long" in Time Enough For Love.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ljb)
Subject: Re: tar 1.1.13 and incremental backup problems
Date: 23 Jun 2000 23:53:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I am trying to do incremental backups with tar. However, if I do
>something like:
>
>tar cvgf /home/alex/backup /home/alex/backup.tar .
>
>it works. Upon trying to list it, however, I find that the tar file
>contains many directories like 07124315726
>
>My files are inside those directories. Upon trying to restore, I end
>up with a unholy number of the 07 . . . directories with my files
>actually in them. I've checked it out on the internet and many seem
>to have problems. Is this a bug?
>
>I realize that the 07. . . is probably an internal representation of
>the date stamp. However, my problem is that when I try to restore,
>all my files end up in the 07 . . . directories, not their original
>homes. Naturally, I restore w/ something like tar xvgf backup
>backup.tar (in the proper directory) What should I do?
Incremental backup is broken in 1.13, but you can get a newer version
(possibly beta) on ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/tar/ (I got 1.13.17 a while
ago), or you can go back to 1.12.
You could also try using the --posix option to 1.13 when writing the
incremental backups. This switches the format around enough to not
trigger the bug.
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From: Rich Braun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:54:01 -0400
Robie Basak wrote:
> Ah, but one can quite often tell when someone used a common MS
> application to do there nice flashy brochure - they quite often look
> very similar :-)
Indeed, that's one of the biggest problems with PowerPoint, which
similarly took over the planet. It was cool when it first came out, but
after the first 500 presentations you've seen, they've all looked the
same ever since. Alas, the next 50,000 presentations I see will look
the same as those. Hmmph.
-rich
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