Linux-Misc Digest #2, Volume #25 Fri, 30 Jun 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Gnome vs KDE (Roberto Alsina)
Re: whereis kerneld on RH 6.2? (Markus Kossmann)
Re: inetd problem (Dan Lapine)
Re: startup processes (Akira Yamanita)
Re: Mouse not working ("Sujit")
Re: How to use tar with mulitple files... (David Steuber)
Re: Gnome file manager (David Steuber)
Re: Host your own site (or email) at home (David Steuber)
Re: Gnome File Manager (David Steuber)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: SISC / RISC (Rich Teer)
Re: Emergency boot diskette ("Jeff Malka")
Re: whereis kerneld on RH 6.2? (Bob Martin)
Re: dd of DOS MBR wanted (to boot dos on hdb) (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Re: fetchmail: needs more features (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Elm date sent is way off (Colin Watson)
CLI Important? ("Winsun Hsieh")
Re: serial port source sample needed (Villy Kruse)
Problem with proxy wwwoffle (Michael Eisenhart)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CLI Important? (J Bland)
Re: Gnome vs KDE
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: SISC / RISC (Lee DeRaud)
inn, suck, nntpsend ("Jim Turnbull")
Re: Mouse not working (Shawn Smith)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome vs KDE
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:35:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > From: Matthew Matchura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Should I spend time getting used to KDE or Gnome? I tried both and
> > I
> > > can't say I developed definite preference. Which desktop most
> > people
> > > use? I've heard KDE is considered to be more promising (with KDE2
> > to be
> > > released soon). How come Gnome is RedHat's default desktop?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Wroot
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> > Red Hat wanted to use entirely GNU based software. This includes
teh
> > underlying libs.
> >
> Yeah, so Red Hat can avoid any chance of having to pay
> forlisencing fees
> now or in the future, in case Troll Tech changes its mind
> about QT.
If Troll Tech stops providing a free edition of Qt, then the last such
thing will be released under a (no-publicity-requirement) BSD
license.
> So, Red Hat can keep all the money it makes!
>
> > KDE is QT based, proprietory/commercial.
> >
> If Red Hat is sooooooooooooooooooooo anti
> proprietory/commercial. Then, why it went on with the IPO?
Well, I have a better one. Red Hat used to say that they only produced
free software. Of course Red Hat owns Gygnus. Last I checked, Cygnus,
(and thus, RH) produced some definitely non free software. Has that
changed? Or the thing that changed was RH's policy? (Conflict of
interest disclaimer: I work for a linux distribution maker that is not
Red Hat)
> Let's see if Alan Cox will continue coding the kernel if
> he's not getting pay.
He did just that for years, didn't he?
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Markus Kossmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: whereis kerneld on RH 6.2?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:05:09 +0200
Tim Holmes wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I just installed RedHat 6.2, and I can't find kerneld. It's not listed
> in the rpm contents for modutils, and control-panel complains of not
> being able to find it. Because it's not there anymore.
>
> Anybody know what this is about?
>
In 2.2.x kernels kerneld was replaced by kmod. Read
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/kmod.txt for more information.
--
Markus Kossmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dan Lapine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: inetd problem
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:53:57 -0500
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc Natius van der Watt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Ok, me = newbie, so excuse all stupidity, but please help.
> : Running RH 6.2 and KDE peoblem: I can't telnet ftp etc. to my machene,
> : someone told me the "inetd" demon should be running, but it ain't. I ran
>
> If that's so then you have a huge problem. The inetd should be running
> under all configurations that are even vaguely sensible, even when you
> are not connected to the net.
>
> I don't believe you. Prove your statement.
>
> Peter
to see if the inetd was installed as root do:
rpm -q -a | grep inetd
if the package wasn't installed, grad the cd, mount it, and run:
rpm -i /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/inetd-0.16-4.i386.rpm
which should install it.
Then you can run chkconfig to enable the services you want.
--
Daniel LaPine
Student at National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: startup processes
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:57:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How do I make a program or process run during the startup?
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
It depends on what it is but for a regular program, add it to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local
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From: "Sujit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mouse not working
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:19:58 +0530
Hi,
I recently installed RH6.2 on my computer
(433 MHz Celeron) and while everything installed
fine, the mouse refuses to work...as in...the
mouse pointer does not move when the mouse
is moved. X is up and running fine...just the mouse
pointer is giving problems. Also, the mouse
pointer does not move in the console though
gpm is running. I have tried all possible
mouse settings from mouseconfig
(Generic, Microsoft Compatible, Logitech....)
but to no avail. Can someone please suggest
possible reasons and things i can try to
make the mouse work?
I have a 3 button Logitech mouse and a
SiS graphics card.
Thanks,
Sarvesh
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: How to use tar with mulitple files...
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:00:08 GMT
Well, another way to go is a one liner:
find . -name '*.tar.gz' -exec tar xvfz {} \;
or
ls *.tar.gz | xargs tar xvfz
The first one will recurse all subdirectorys. The second one won't
unless you do this:
ls -R *.tar.gz | xargs tar xvfz
"Beware of the above code. I have merely proved it correct, not tried
it" --- DEK
I haven't even proved it correct.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: Gnome file manager
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:00:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
' Hi,
'
' How do I remove this annoying message that comes
' up with I start the Gnome file manager?
'
' 'Warning: You are running file manager as root.
' You can do much damage...'
Go to the directory where the executable is and try this:
chmod -s foo
Where foo is the name of the Gnome file manager executable.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: Host your own site (or email) at home
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:00:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
' Each time you connect to the Internet (including dial-up, cable-modem,
' ADSL, ISDN, wireless or LAN connections) our software will link you up
' with our server and direct traffic your connection for whatever use you
' have in mind.
'
' You will be able to run a Web Server, Email, FTP, Remote Access, Phone
' and Video Conferencing, etc.
This is insanely stupid. Your upstream speeds will not be sufficient
for ADSL, ISDN, or cable modem. You will probably be violating TOS
with cable and all the other ISP services.
You would be better off getting a commercial SDSL account for this.
This is cheaper than a T1 and will give you enough speed for very low
volume traffic.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: Gnome File Manager
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:00:09 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
' Hi,
'
' How do I remove the annoying message 'You are running file manager as
' root. You can do much damage...'
I said,
Go to the directory where the executable is and try this:
chmod -s foo
Where foo is the name of the Gnome file manager executable.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: SISC / RISC
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:00:33 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Super-User wrote:
> I was just at the library reading in a book about the history of computing etc.
> They said something interesting about the origins of the RISC architecture. This
> was according to the book conceived at Standford by some guy (I can never can
> remeber a name) which of course explaines in part why Sun adopted the ideas
> after a while.
I'm not sure that Sun's Stanford connections had anything to do with it; RISC
is a good idea, period!
> Now it occured to me that as the processor speed clock frequncies go up etc. the
> RISC arhitecture should start loosing again in the performanse race. Nowadays
> processors have cache memory at different levels to avoid accessing the slower
> memory external to the processor.
Nice reasoning; however, because RISC instructions tend to be simpler, RISC
processor can usually do more instructions per cycle. Thus, they still retain
the advantage.
--
Rich Teer
NT tries to do almost everything UNIX does, but fails - miserably.
The use of Windoze cripples the mind; its use should, therefore, be
regarded as a criminal offence. (With apologies to Edsger W. Dijkstra)
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-online.net
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From: "Jeff Malka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Emergency boot diskette
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:36:11 -0400
Thank you. I'll do that.
--
Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jeff Malka wrote:
> >
> > I am a newbie who has installed TurboLinux 6 workstation just fine.
However
> > I do not recall during the installation being asked to create an
emergency
> > boot diskette (that I read about in books). How do I go about that in
an
> > installed system?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> You can make a boot floppy which loads the kernel from the
> floppy but runs the system from you hard disk. You should
> be able to do this with the mkbootdisk command. Do
> man mkbootdisk to see how.
>
> A rescue floppy which runs in a ramdisk is another matter.
> Tom's root/boot disk is a good choice, but the last time I
> looked, it used a fairly old kernel which might not work with
> your system. It can be found at
>
> www.toms.net/rb/home.html
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
>
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: whereis kerneld on RH 6.2?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:43:49 +0000
Tim Holmes wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I just installed RedHat 6.2, and I can't find kerneld. It's not listed
> in the rpm contents for modutils, and control-panel complains of not
> being able to find it. Because it's not there anymore.
>
> Anybody know what this is about?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Holmes
Yes kerneld was replaced by kmod, see kmod.txt in
/usr/src/linux/Documentation
--
Bob Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Subject: Re: dd of DOS MBR wanted (to boot dos on hdb)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:50:28 GMT
Homer Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Right now, if I point lilo to hdb1 or minix monitor to hdb6 (=hdb1),
>> >I get "invalid system disk". Inserting a dos boot floppy works ok
>> >and I can switch to the C: filesystem just fine. I want to do this
>> >front the bootloaders however.
>>
>> Is C: a FAT16 or a FAT32 partition?
>
>It's FAT16. I think now, however, that this is an ill-conceived idea
>all together. I should have been more clear about why I though the
>DOS MBR was fried, my only evidence being the inability to boot DOS
>on hdb1 and knowledge that I had been fiddling with the MBR in the
>past. However, I think now that the DOS MBR is intact, but either:
>-DOS MBR is _incapable_ of booting an OS on hdb
>-DOS MBR can boot hdb, but as written it points to hda
>I did not specify that I wanted an MBR that pointed to hdb1, which
>I should have done. Also, overwriting the entire boot sector, as
>was pointed out, overwrites the partition map. One could overwrite
>the portion of the MBR _before_ the map, however. But, I'm guessing
>now that the DOS MBR simply can not boot hdb (without a third-party
>utility). Anyone disagree?
>
>Could I install a LILO MBR on hdb that'll point to hdb1 and so
>boot DOS?
If we assume that BIOS is set to boot from hda:
Boot Windows 95/98 from disk no 2 or later with Lilo
Method 2.
====================================================
Explained with an example. If a disk with DOS/Windows 95/98 is
installed as hdb, and no primary FAT partitions exists on
hda, the following method can be used:
First copy the boot sector to /boot:
dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/boot/bootsect.b1 bs=512 count=1
Open Midnight Commander and find the file bootsect.b1.
Select View (F3)
Select Hex (F4)
If FAT16: Go to offset hex 00024.
If FAT32: Go to offset hex 00040.
The value will be hex 80.
Select Edit (F2)
Change the byte from hex 80 to hex 81.
(this is the embedded BIOS disk number)
Select Save (F6)
(My copy of MC will do Edhex when EdText is shown).
In stead of MC, any hex editor can be used.
Make sure the file size is still 512 bytes.
Then add to lilo.conf:
other=/boot/bootsect.b1
label=win98
and run Lilo.
--
Svend Olaf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: fetchmail: needs more features
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:50:57 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:33:24 GMT, jason varsoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Does anyone know of a program like fetchmail that has a few more
>features. Specifically I need a fetchmail type program that will delete
>messages on the POP3 server that are N number of days old.
Why not add the feature yourself? The source for fetchmail is GPL, and
available for your use. Contribute your change back to the author and
we all benefit. Of course, you could also just ask the fetchmail
author (IRC, it's ESR hisself) to add the feature.
>-jason
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Elm date sent is way off
Date: 30 Jun 2000 18:45:30 GMT
Clinton Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mail sent using ELM 2.4 PL25 on Linux appears to be have sent on Fri
>7/10/2893. Is this a problem with ELM or Sendmail? The CPU date looks
>fine.
At various points, elm has been, um, rather less that Y2K-compliant. I
can't remember if it's all been fixed. Have you tried Michael Elkins'
Elm24ME+ patches? See <URL:http://ozone.fmi.fi/KEH/>.
Alternatively, you could try using mutt instead. :)
--
Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"Master," I complained, "the programmer who wrote this code is lazy!
It's a simple bug and yet he's done nothing about it." My Master asked
me, "Why, then, have you not fixed it yourself?" I was then enlightened.
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From: "Winsun Hsieh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CLI Important?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:51:27 -0700
Within NSD, The NetRaid-4M team is working to add Linux support for second
release (Oct.). Can you help me determine if a CLI (command line interface)
configuration tool is needed for Linux? That is, do users need an online
configuration tool or are they okay with rebooting and hitting CTRL A to
configure that way. Configuration is basically installation of a NetRAID
card and setup of the RAID levels.
The NetRAID systems team has received no request from the Linux team that
such a tool is needed. Thus, if Linux users don't need an online tool, my
team would just as soon focus their limited resources in other directions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: serial port source sample needed
Date: 30 Jun 2000 19:13:25 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:31:25 GMT, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 8:53:13 +0200, Ingo Ciechowski
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I also thought that I could send commands out from the command line using
>>
>> echo "AT\r" > /dev/ttyC7
>>
>>which always hangs and see what's coming in using
>>
>> tail -f /dev/ttyC7
>>
>>which never shows anything. What's the point I'm missing here?
>
>Try
>
> cat /dev/ttyC7 & # read from the modem
> cat > /dev/ttyC7 # type to the modem
>
>Do not use tail on character devices, it doesn't make sense.
>
Because a modem has no carrier until the modem is connected to a remote
modem, and because the open of the serial port is suspended until said
carrier becomes present, you need a few tricks to make it work.
1) Open the serial port O_NONBLOCK.
2) Set the CLOCAL flag on the port.
3) Clear the O_NONBLOCK flag on open file descriptor.
4) Now you can start talking to the modem.
Or you can cheat and use the cua device.
Villy
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From: Michael Eisenhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with proxy wwwoffle
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:05:22 GMT
hi,
I use wwwoffle as proxy for linux. I have created access lists based on
IP-adresses in the file wwwoffle.conf
When I start the 98 Client (IE5) and try to open a web page,I get this
error:
WWWOFFLE - World Wide Web Offline Explorer
======================================================================
WWWOFFLE Remote Host Error
Your request for URL
http://www.gmx.de/
failed because
Cannot open the HTTP connection to www.gmx.de port 80; [Name Lookup
Non-Authorative Answer Host not found}
This message sounds like if wwwoffle couldn�t find the internet
connection. But the connection is is running - I �m writing this posting
with it. And, of course, I type wwwoffle -online
What do I wrong??
bye
Michael
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:08:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> From my experience, Suns are remarkably reliable machines. I have
> several Sun3 servers that ran for ten years day and night and did
> useful work.
>
> The useful period for a Sun is much longer, if you have a
> hierarchy: The first three years a machine is used as server, then
> another three or four years as workstation or low-level server and
> then another three years as X-terminal for the secretary or a
> student.
>
> And don't forget that Suns, even the Workstations, usually haven't
> been powered down for the first few years of their lives. PC's are
> usually shut down every night.
>
> The real question is: are Suns so much better that you pay four or
> five times the amount that a comparable PC would cost?
The Suns equipment tends to be more reliable, and more
expensive, because of the quality of the parts. And, at the
operating system level, the qualtiy of the device drivers. The
only time I've had non-fixable crashing problems with Suns is if
they had cheap 3rd party hardware and kernel drivers. Often 3rd
party driver testing is way behind on the latest revisions of the
OS.
The focus on CPU comparison is a bit pointless since a CPU
is only one component among many. Most applications are much more
likely to be I/O bound than CPU bound, so memory, buses, hard
drives, and volume administration are key. With the SPARC
architecture, there is much more room to grow. Take a look at the
E10K. Would have to go to IBM to get more capacity. The E450 is
an excellent and well priced mid-range box.
Intel boxes do offer a good low end server and desktop
solution. I use them and would recommend using them. Just make
sure you specify brand and model of parts when you order, because
vendors will stick in cheap stuff to increase their margin. I
would not recommend running Linux on them but that's another
story. :)
-Jason
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: CLI Important?
Date: 30 Jun 2000 19:33:33 GMT
>Within NSD, The NetRaid-4M team is working to add Linux support for second
>release (Oct.). Can you help me determine if a CLI (command line interface)
>configuration tool is needed for Linux? That is, do users need an online
>configuration tool or are they okay with rebooting and hitting CTRL A to
>configure that way. Configuration is basically installation of a NetRAID
>card and setup of the RAID levels.
>
>The NetRAID systems team has received no request from the Linux team that
>such a tool is needed. Thus, if Linux users don't need an online tool, my
>team would just as soon focus their limited resources in other directions.
Rebooting for anything other than kernel or hardware (or possibly full OS)
upgrades is generally frowned upon most vehemently.
Rebooting to install it once, ok. Rebooting to tweak/configure, not ok.
Frinky
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Gnome vs KDE
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:45:30 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:35:06 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Matthew Matchura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > Should I spend time getting used to KDE or Gnome? I tried both and
>> > I
>> > > can't say I developed definite preference. Which desktop most
>> > people
>> > > use? I've heard KDE is considered to be more promising (with KDE2
>> > to be
>> > > released soon). How come Gnome is RedHat's default desktop?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Wroot
>> > >
>> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> > > Before you buy.
>> >
>> > Red Hat wanted to use entirely GNU based software. This includes
>teh
>> > underlying libs.
>> >
>> Yeah, so Red Hat can avoid any chance of having to pay
>> forlisencing fees
>> now or in the future, in case Troll Tech changes its mind
>> about QT.
>
>If Troll Tech stops providing a free edition of Qt, then the last such
>thing will be released under a (no-publicity-requirement) BSD
>license.
So? This notion of 'political purity' is just a strawman
you can use to bash on. The real issue is network effects
and how Cygnus's or Redhat's conduct tends to interfere
with subsequent consumer choices once someone has chosen
to buy or use one of their products.
[deletia]
Core system components and document authoring tools tend to
produce the most amount of vendorlock. Although, even those
will only product vendorlock if they are not Free Software
IFF they are not stringently based on open standards.
[deletia]
The key question to ask is: Will using "foo" interfere with your
ability to switch applications, operating systems, or hardware
platforms some time in the future should you decide that any
of those three aren't the most suitable at some point?
--
|||
/ | \
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee DeRaud)
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: SISC / RISC
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:29:11 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:00:33 GMT, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Nice reasoning; however, because RISC instructions tend to be simpler, RISC
>processor can usually do more instructions per cycle. Thus, they still retain
>the advantage.
Or not. More instructions per cycle with each instruction doing less
work...better overall performance? Maybe...the original RISC concept
involved leveraging the simpler instruction set into a simpler CPU
design at a higher clock rate and using the saved die space to
implement a whole pile of registers to minimize memory accesses, with
the additional benefit that the instructions were easier to optimize
at the compiler level. At the time, it worked. Then again, at the
time, the concept of a 5-10 million transistor CPU was a *long* way
off.
Now it's what, fifteen years later, and the work that's gone into
cache management, pipelining, chip-design software, and optimizing
compilers has blurred the RISC/CISC distinction to the point of
near-meaninglessness. The point of the exercise is still to grab a wad
of bits from over *there* and a wad of bits from over *here*, mash
them together in a specified manner, and save the resulting wad of
bits somewhere for later, repeat as needed. At any given moment,
there's a race going on between the cache people, the CPU designers,
the compiler people, and the bus people to see who can speed their
portion of this job up enough to affect the net performance the most
for whatever application class is getting the most attention. The
winner is likely to be the one that's getting the most money thrown at
the problem, which, sorry to say, is currently the Intel/AMD crowd.
Next year, who knows?
Lee
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From: "Jim Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: inn, suck, nntpsend
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:55:40 +0100
Our sys admin left recently, having set up a Linux news server.
Having never setup inn before, I have looked over the config and most of it
is fairly self explanatory.
Thing is the directory 'articles' where the sucked news is spooled has
accidentally been deleted. I have initiated a download of the last 150
articles for each group we subscribe to, but now when the news gets sucked
down, it doesn't have a directory structure (e.g.
spool/articles/comp/os/linux/misc) for the messages to go into and it
complains.
How do I go about recreating the structure? Do I have to manually create
each directory or is there a command to do it for me.
Also if I want to subscribe to a new group from my newsfeed, is there an
automated process or do I have to edit the sucknewsrc file manually and
create the relevant directories?
For posting articles the sysadmin used nntpsend, but whenever there are
posts queued (i.e. in the file spool/outgoing/myisp.net), nntpsend appears
to go through the motions but gives a message that it is rewriting the batch
file, and I end up with two files in spool/outgoing. One is empty and is
called myisp.net the other is called myisp.net=n and contains the
information that was held in the file myisp.net before the nntpsend.
I have tried a telnet to port 119 of the server referred to in the mapping
in nntpsend.ctl (i.e. myisp.net:news.myisp.net::) and I get a response back
from it indicating that I am allowed to post. I don't know how to do a news
conversation (like you would to troubleshoot SMTP).
Any light that can be shed on any of these niggles will be gratefully
received. Any sites where I can get info on inn would also be useful. Any
really good Linux sites out there for newbie-ish people.
Thanks.
Jim
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From: Shawn Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mouse not working
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:58:21 -0500
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Sujit wrote:
>Hi,
> I recently installed RH6.2 on my computer
> (433 MHz Celeron) and while everything installed
> fine, the mouse refuses to work...as in...the
> mouse pointer does not move when the mouse
> is moved. X is up and running fine...just the mouse
> pointer is giving problems. Also, the mouse
> pointer does not move in the console though
> gpm is running. I have tried all possible
> mouse settings from mouseconfig
> (Generic, Microsoft Compatible, Logitech....)
> but to no avail. Can someone please suggest
> possible reasons and things i can try to
> make the mouse work?
> I have a 3 button Logitech mouse and a
> SiS graphics card.
Not a real fix, but...
For x try "gpm -k" at the terminal, then start x.
--
All the best,
Shawn Smith !UNT Proud!
My Resume http://sites.netscape.net/shawnspad/shawn_smith_resume.htm
My freeware: http://sites.netscape.net/shawnspad
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