Linux-Misc Digest #2, Volume #19 Fri, 12 Feb 99 23:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: what does it mean when LILO just says "LI" (Tom Trebisky)
Re: Microsoft Linux 1.0 (John Hasler)
Re: Is linux able to handle 2 video cards ? (William Burrow)
Re: The Importance of Stable URLs. (Gary Momarison)
Re: I NEED HELP TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ("John
Podmayersky")
Re: simple shell script q? (Joachim Feise)
Accelerated-X with TV tuners (Chris Leith)
Re: Where is Kermit? (Frank da Cruz)
Re: C compiler cannot create executables (Michael Thomas Cope)
Re: Microsoft Linux 1.0 ("Cj.Spaans")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Roger Gordon)
Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux (brian moore)
why can't I get BIG newsgroups easily? only want to pick over the new stuff (root)
Redhat 5.2 hangs on shutdown. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Trebisky)
Subject: Re: what does it mean when LILO just says "LI"
Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:57:40 -0700
>In article <7a01f7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Trebisky) writes:
->>
->>I have seen this before, and heard various folklore about it,
->>but what does it mean when a system starts to boot and LILO
->>just manages to print out the first 2 letters "LI".
->>
->>In the particular case in question I am trying to install
->>Red Hat 5.2 on a scsi system. Only linux on the machine and the
->>disks to my knowlege are new from the factory (two scsi drives).
->>
->>I used disk druid to make partitions (150M for root, 100M for swap,
->>and the remaining 8G of the first drive for /usr; the second drive
->>is all for /home). When it asked where to install lilo I told it
->>/dev/sda, but then when I went to boot off the hard-drive the BIOS
->>says I cannot find anything bootable.
->>
->>Soooo .. I go back and reboot the RH install disk, run fdisk and
->>mark my root partition as bootable (/dev/sda1) and now I get the
->>two letter "LI" thing from lilo.
In article <7a0iis$2cvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just had the exact same problem. Try specifying
>'linear' in /etc/lilo.conf
>That solved my problem.
>It is all described in the lilo documentation. There
>you can also see the exact meaning of lilo only
>writing 'LI' on the bootscreen.
Thanks to you Bjarne!!
Indeed this gets me up and going, although the details are still not
clear to me as to why the "linear" does the job.
Thanks for the tip on the lilo documentation. I went to
/usr/doc/lilo-0.20/doc on one of the IDE based systems I have
running and printed:
Technical_Guide.ps
User_Guide.ps
which are very nice discussions of lilo and the boot process.
My disks are nice new Seagate 9G jobs, but my root partition was
just a small 150M part at the start of sda, so I shouldn't be in
any tangle with the 1024 cylinder limit .....
But I am off and running now ......... Thanks!
Tom
--
Tom Trebisky MMT Observatory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Arizona
http://kofa.as.arizona.edu/ Tucson, Arizona 85721
(520) 621-5135
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux 1.0
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:08:46 GMT
John Thompson writes:
> I thought when Microsoft sold the rights to their Xenix
> operating system they had to agree not to compete directly
> in the Unix marketplace?
Depending on exactly what that agreement says, they might be able to argue
that Linux isn't Unix.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Is linux able to handle 2 video cards ?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:11:41 +0100,
Damien Ercole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm actually wondering if linux is able to handle 2 video cards
>connected on the PC..
>I've actually a viper v550 on the AGP bus, but as this card doesn't have
>any TV output
>i want to buy a cheaper one (on PCI bus) to be able to watch my DVD on
>my TV ......
>so anyone can tell me if booting with 2 video cards will crash the
>system ?
Wild guess city, but since the cards on separate buses, perhaps you can get
away with installing both cards. Watch they don't try to use the same
memory buffer, and if they use interrupts, who knows what cruft hardware
designers put together to share IRQs across buses. Only broken PCI stuff
uses IRQs anyway.
Just run two separate X servers if you must, too bad if you don't have
everything on one desktop. Look into GGI for potential stuff (ggi.org).
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Stable URLs.
Date: 11 Feb 1999 08:30:59 -0800
Anatol Quabach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Wow, a creative spammer.
You've got a weird definition of "spam".
The message when to ONE newsgroup. The only thing I was selling or
stood to gain by it was a more efficient communication of Linux info.
How is that spam? If you can't tell me, then you're a jerk
that should learn to keep his quick "mouth" shut until he
has a good reason to open it. Or do you really like driving
away people that are trying to help?
This might not apply exactly to you, but a large part of the
Linux community really does need to grow up and stop acting
like a bunch of 8th graders.
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: "John Podmayersky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:04:09 -0500
I had to use device sda instead of hda to get this that to work. Good Luck!
Philipp Heise wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>a simple question :
>
>how to mount a win 98 harddisk ?
>win 98 = 1.Partition of first Disk (FAT 32)
>programms = 2.Partition of first Disk (FAT 32)
>linux = disk number 2
>
>THANKS !!! :)
>
>
>
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From: Joachim Feise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: simple shell script q?
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:44:26 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Mulks wrote:
>
> what is the newline sequence in a shell script?
>
> eg
>
> echo "1st line\n2nd line"
try:
echo -e "1st line\n2nd line"
BTW, look in the bash man page under builtin commands
-Joe
--
===================================================================
Joachim Feise Ph.D. Student Information & Computer Science
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ics.uci.edu/~jfeise/
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lest you think that "open" computing can't possibly win, just look
back at the primal lesson of desktop computing of the '80s: Open up
your architecture to all comers and win -- or keep it closed, like
the Macintosh, and lose.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:26:37 -0500
From: Chris Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Accelerated-X with TV tuners
I would like to use my Hauppauge WinTV tuner with the Accelerated-X
server. I am using the bttv video driver and I have tried both xawtv
and xtvscreen. Both applications work fine with either XFree86 or
MetroX, but neither of them will begin overlay capturing when I run
Accelerated-X. Interestingly enough, if I first run XFree86 or MetroX
and one of xawtv or xtvscreen, I can then run Accelerated-X and the tv
applications work fine. So it seems I can use Accelerated-X, but only
after some fiddling around. Does anyone know how to coerce the tv
applications to run straight away with Accelerated-X?
Alternatively, does anyone know of another tv application that will work
with Accelerated-X?
Thanks in advance.
Chris Leith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Where is Kermit?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 17:06:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher B Specker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Christopher> OK, I downloaded kermit into my directory at
: Christopher> email.uah.edu. Next, I downloaded kermit from my
: Christopher> directory at UAH to my hard drive. Then I shut down
: Christopher> Win98 and booted Linux.
:
: Christopher> I moved the file from my DOS partition to my home
: Christopher> directory as root, and tried to install it using RPM.
: Christopher> Guess what? RPM won't touch it. Won't even tell me
: Christopher> why. Funny thing, I've had the same problem with
: Christopher> some .tgz files I've downloaded.
:
: Christopher> How do I get around this problem? Is it because
: Christopher> Windows hates files like This.That.whatever.else?
: Christopher> (which would show up as This.ThatXwhateverXelse in
: Christopher> Windows)
:
: Possibly, you ftp'ed the file to your shell in text mode -- this often
: will ruin a binary file. Be sure to set your ftp client to binary
: transfer.
:
Or you copied from the DOS partition to the Linux one in text mode.
Whatever you utility you used to move from DOS to Linux needs to be
told to copy in binary mode.
Meanwhile, as noted repeatedly on this forum in recent days, you'd do
better to pick up C-Kermit 7.0 Beta:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
since C-Kermit 6.0 was released prior to all the changes in recent
Linux distributions, and might not work on all of them. C-Kermit 7.0
is distributed in tar.gz format, not RPM, at this point, since it is
still in Beta test. Transfer in binary mode every step of the way.
- Frank
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From: Michael Thomas Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: C compiler cannot create executables
Date: 13 Feb 1999 03:33:19 GMT
Followups trimmed
In comp.os.linux.setup Andreas Schyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: I have this peculiar problem with gcc, or pgcc. The thing is that when I
: run any ./configure-script (or everyone I=B4ve tried) it quits with an
: error message saying:
: .........
: checking for gcc... gcc
: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
: configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
: cannot create executables.
: ..................
: And then it dumps me to the prompt.
Look at the file config.log. It should give the exact error message
returned by your compiler. You very likely have a bad compiler
installation or a misconfigured environment.
--=20
Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Cj.Spaans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux 1.0
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:26:22 +0100
Check your unix-historybook and find out. SCO is a corp. from Microsoft
and Xenix is modified AT&T UNIX. It's main name is SV/386 and is one of
the most sold (in number) UNIX-versions.
So before you're reply a message next time check you data. I have worked
for along time with SCO and SUN UNIX, and I'm now working with HP-UX for HP.
I think I know wat I'm talking about, but no hard feeling.
CU
Hans
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> It was the Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:33:30 +0100...
> ..and Cj.Spaans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nothing. SCO Unix is a M$-product. Are you scared now?
>
> Hm, this guy is either suffering from RDS[0] or FKCS[1].
>
> mawa
>
> [0] Reality Distortion Syndrome
> [1] Factual Knowledge Crossover Syndrome
> --
> Back in the dark ages BC (Before Computing), there existed a magical
> device called a Teletype Model 33. This amazing machine contained a
> shift register out of a motor and a rotor as well as a keyboard ROM
> consisting solely of levers and springs. -- Steve Oualline
>
>
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From: Roger Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:42:02 +0000
Well for the newcomer YaST (Yet Another Setup Tool) might be the answer
to getting things up and running. But your right! It leaves security
holes.
rmg
Matthias Buelow wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Give anyone these Linux distributions a try for easy of installation.
> >Caldera, Redhat or SuSE. There fairly inexpensive. They also have a
>
> SuSE is an abomination; sorry, I'm not a Gnu/Linux insider, I know
> about some people quarrying about which Gnu/Linux distribution is
> "the best" and I don't want to participate; but: most new users
> here chose SuSE (the german version, because it's got a lot of
> stuff in german language and is sold in many bookshops) and we have
> it installed on several servers aswell, and it _sucks_ a whole river
> of pebbles.
> Please excuse my violent fantasy but the creators of SuSE should
> be hanged by their balls over an open furnace for the crap they
> burned on their cdroms.
> The very first thing we do on a newly installed SuSE installation
> is rm -f `which yast`; then come hours of work of de-littering the
> installed base.
> We've also installed FreeBSD on some servers, we've not recognized
> any such braindeadness as we've found with SuSE (there's too much
> to mention here, anybody who has used that crap once will know
> anyways), I guess redhat/debian distributions of Gnu/Linux will
> also be a lot better, since it really can't be worse than SuSE.
> Unfortunately those who want Linux on certain machines also install
> SuSE right away, so we have little choice.
>
> --
> - mkb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:02:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> NT + MS SQL Server 7 vs Oracle8i?
>
> Sounds like a good head to head comparison!
>
Apparently Oracle thinks so too... check out their head-to-head showdown:
http://www.oracle.com/database/showdown/
My money's on 8i.
-Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: 12 Feb 1999 07:35:56 GMT
On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:18:14 -0500,
Michael Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> First, I agree with your comments on MS :). The BSD story (so far
> as I am aware) starts with BSD develed at U Cal Berkley (?). They
> developed it for awhile as a poor man's Unix,
Actually, it's more like "we got AT&T Unix for the cost of the tapes,
but we want to play!" so they fixed bugs, enhanced things, rewrote huge
sections, and eventually ended up rewriting all of it.
> then came OpenBSD (as
> in, Open Source) which was good for the most part, but the contract
> for updating its kernel stated that ALL the platforms it ran on had
> to be updated simultaneously (and there is more than 20 platforms it
> runs on. . .crazy). So FreeBSD was born so the i386 market (by
> then booming, but after Linux had made its entrance) could progress
> in development without keeping legacy support for every architecture
> under the sun. So FreeBSD is alive and doing well, it makes an
> excellent sever.
Nope, it's more like: 386BSD came out but was somewhat entangled by the
AT&T/UC lawsuit of the time, and the authors effectively abandoned it.
Then the FreeBSD folks picked it up, updated it from 4.3BSD to the fully
unemcumbered (ie, no AT&T code) 4.4BSD and wrote tons of drivers. After
a while, some people wanted to port to other platforms, others wanted to
concentrate on PC hardware, so the two camps split, forming NetBSD as
the group that would pursue multiplatform support.
Note, there was no 'contract', just a differing set of goals. FreeBSD
has support for more PC hardware, but NetBSD runs on everything from
Sun3's to VAXen. It's not a big hardship for NetBSD to support them
all simultaneously, just as it's not a big hardship for Linux to
support x86, Alpha, Sparc, PPC, etc, simultaneously. 'Make' and #if's
are your friends.
OpenBSD came out of NetBSD, after an internal and somewhat ugly
squabble. If you STFW, you can read the story on that. I won't get
into it here, since it's mostly irrelevant: OpenBSD has done its share
of contributions in enhancing and improving Unix-like operating systems.
Note that the multiplatform support (including things like VAXen, the
old home of BSD) is not 'legacy' support in the BSD's. The BSD's were
spawned as 386-based products, and code for systems like VAX and Sun3's
were added afterwards from scratch.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: why can't I get BIG newsgroups easily? only want to pick over the new stuff
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 03:36:01 +0000
Reply-To: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Note in newsgroup mesage the attatchment NOT included it was a large number
of empty message headers that had default local system server stamed as a
from... But I never posted them anywhere so that's not what happened...
Also, the actual mailtest was sent to several address' including my ISP's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] address... (including the attatchment)
begin text portion only of mesage:
Umnnnn I'm curious if this attachment laden mailtest gets to who?
I'm also curious if theres anything wrong with what my software is doing???
I'm using pine installed on slackware 3.5 linux over a 14.4 modem to a
faster server modem at ttlc.net via the auto configured ppp-go initiated
chat script NNTP= news.ttlc.net I get into groups with a small number of
non-expired messages, But everytime I try to access a busy group (with
large message counts) I get something like the attatchment I'm sending,
then the folder it's been trying to open automaticaly closes with an error
mesage about some kind of error, If It happens again on this run I'll get
an exact quote via gpm
If it's obvious, then it should be obvious that I'm oblivious to it.
Any idea's <that don't require submiting to a gui enviroment> Will be
graciously accepted for consideration of my next attempt...
Gosh I wish I could just move the selected messages from the command prompt
enviroment... I mean my dos program does better than that, It down loads
the list of message subject headers of every message whithin the range I
ask for without draging my system down rethreading the mesages I marked as
read... Then it downloads ONLY the articals I asked for when I selected
them from the last subject list. But that's dos... I'm running a linux
file system
Hmmnn that's odd, the other big group 57,389 msgs (comp.os.linux.setup)
opened just fine... (course I had to manualy add it to the .newsrc) opened
ok... All I had to do was cancle the sort, (1/2 hr into sorting it was 3%
sorted...) to accept them in server order of arival... But the one I
already participate in on (comp.os.linux.misc) just wont work...
Please help
:r $HOME/sig/bigq-sig
| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
|. . . . . . ??. ??. . . . . . .
| . . . . ??. . . . .?? . . . . .
|. . . ??? . . . . . . ??? . . .
| . .???. .~^~. .~^~. . .???. . .
|. .???. . <?> . <?> . . .???. .
| .???. . . . .^. . . . . ??? . .
|. . . . . . \___/ . . . ??? . .
| . . . . . . . . . . . ??? . . .
|. . . . . . . . . . .???. . . .
| . . . . . . . . .???. . . . . .
|. . . . . . . ??????. . . Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| . . . . . . .?????? . . . . . J(tWdy)P
|. . . . . . . ??????. . . . <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
| . . . . . . .?????? . . . . . .
|. . . . . . . ??????. . . . . .
| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
|. . . . . . . .???? . . . . . . T H E
| . . . . . . .?????? . . answers would be easier,
|. . . . . . . .???? . . . . if I'd ask someone
| . . . . . . . . . . . . . the right <censored>
|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q U E S T I O N S
| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?????
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Redhat 5.2 hangs on shutdown.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Feb 1999 03:00:08 GMT
Twice now linux has hung the system while doing shutdown -r now from root.
It hangs after the line "Shutting down gpm mouse services". There doesn't seem
to be any trouble anywhere, but it should be a clean shutdown. Any ideas would
be appreciated.
John
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