Linux-Misc Digest #13, Volume #25 Sun, 2 Jul 00 00:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Gnome vs KDE (Roberto Alsina)
Re: gtk (Ian Mortimer)
Re: How to add a tail -f to the window manager? (Ian Mortimer)
normal user Netscape: bus error (Terrio Echavez)
Re: Gnome vs KDE (Roberto Alsina)
Re: VMWare question (Duane)
GNU Autoconf+Automake vs. No linking (Just compile) (Young4ert)
Re: VMWare question
Re: kppp amd redhat (Terrio Echavez)
Re: Linux Server Security (Martin Skj�ldebrand)
Re: Mail and Web server - Any Distributions more secure than others? (Martin
Skj�ldebrand)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome vs KDE
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 02:02:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:58:26 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> >> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:08:51 GMT, Roberto Alsina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >> From: Matthew Matchura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >>
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [deletia]
> >>
> >> No, you're just being willfully misleading.
> >
> >Jedi, you are confusing me with you.
> >
> >> >
> >> >> GNOME is GTK based, entirely GNU.
> >> [deletia]
> >>
> >> The proof is in the ports (and the 3rd party contributions).
> >> If QT is genuinely 'free' then there should be plenty of
> >> developers that share this perception and have been adding
> >> little things to QT like BeOS or MacOS support.
> >
> >Why? Have you seen a XFree port to MacOS? is XFree not free?
>
> Now you are quite willfully indulging in misrepresentation.
I made three simple questions. I asked why what you said implies
Qt is not free. I asked if there is a XFree port to MacOS, and
I asked if XFree is free. I am not representing anything, much
less misrepresenting.
Let me explain in short words what is this technique I am indulging on.
It's called socratic dialog. I ask you questions that should, when you
reply to them, show the obviously wrong nature of your position. The
idea is that you reply, and then everyone sees how stupid your argument
is.
Then again, refusing to reply works just as well.
> So, I can be quite certain I am not confusing you for me.
Well, I hope you don't!
> XFree is just one of many implementations of an open
specification
> including implementations for Win16 & NT as well as the classic
> MacOS.
But there is no port of XFree to MacOS. You say that the lack of
a Qt port to MacOS is evidence of Qt not being free. Explain why
you are applying a double stabdard on what is free software.
> Although Xfree86 itself has been ported to OS/2.
Cool. Qt is partly ported to microwindows.
> >Have you seen a glibc port to Be? is glibc not free?
>
> Yup. You really should get out more. Your blinders are
> quite a handicap.
Are you saying "yup, glibc is not free"? If you are not, learn
to write.
> >> Until that starts happening, what Troll (or you) choose to
> >> label the product is moot.
> >
> >Believe it or not, I don't give a rat's ass about what you think is
> >moot.
> >
> >The product (Qt Free edition) is there for anyone to get, modify,
> >redistribute, port, or sell, without charge, as long as you don't
> >restrict anyone else from those rights.
>
> QT is still owned by Troll.
And glibc is owned by the Free software foundation, and XFree is
owned by the XFree consortium. If you want to say that Qt is not free,
you should say things about Qt that are not shared by ALL OTHER FREE
SOFTWARE. The only software not owned by someone is public domain
software.
> Linux is merely one stop on the road towards standards based
> computing where computers and software are infact perfectly
> replaceable in a genuinely free market.
Pfft. You need to take your medication and stop reading Adam Smith.
> Linux-centric solutions are no less shortsighted than
> Windows-centric ones.
Cool, because Qt (unlike, say, glibc), works on just about every
unix out there, and is technically portable to any OS, as long
as someone bothers porting.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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Before you buy.
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From: Ian Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gtk
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:12:24 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If it's any help, a quick dig around on my system came up with the
> Serial-Programming-HOWTO... That should cover what you need for sending your
> data to the stepper motor.
> --
Did a bit more digging and found this snippet:
#include <stdio.h> /* Standard input/output definitions */
#include <string.h> /* String function definitions */
#include <unistd.h> /* UNIX standard function definitions */
#include <fcntl.h> /* File control definitions */
#include <errno.h> /* Error number definitions */
#include <termios.h> /* POSIX terminal control definitions */
/*
* 'open_port()' - Open serial port 1.
*
* Returns the file descriptor on success or -1 on error.
*/
int
open_port(void)
{
int fd; /* File descriptor for the port */
fd = open("/dev/ttyS1", O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY | O_NDELAY);
if (fd == -1)
{
/*
* Could not open the port.
*/
perror("open_port: Unable to open /dev/ttyS1 - ");
}
else
fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, 0);
return (fd);
}
and this:
n = write(fd, "ATZ\r", 4);
if (n < 0)
fputs("write() of 4 bytes failed!\n", stderr);
and it works fine - whoopee !
I'll work on the C first and then I'll try getting the gtk working.
Rgds,
Ian.
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From: Ian Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to add a tail -f to the window manager?
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:14:35 +0000
Try xrootconsole (search http://www.freshmeat.net) - does everything you
want.
Rgds,
Ian.
-~=Darek M=~- wrote:
>
> How does one add that transparent console box in X that runs a
> tail on whichever log file. I have seen it in most, if not all,
> screenshots and would like to have it tail -f /var/log/messages
> and would like it to start up in a certain position and
> dimensions as the wm starts.
>
> I am currently running BlackBox. I havent seen anything about
> this in the docs, but then again I cant even add docapps and
> monitors...
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: Terrio Echavez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: normal user Netscape: bus error
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:26:03 -0700
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Hello,
I have two Fast-Ethernet cards on my desktop: eth0 (Kingston tulip)
connected to Alcatel SpeedTouch ADSL modem and eth1 connected to
Fast-Ethernet hub going to my IBM Thinkpad. I have the eth1
network working great between my Redhat 6.2 desktop and Mandrake 7.0 IBM
Thinkpad using a
SMC Fast-Ethernet NIC for my Redhat 6.2 eth1 and a AmbiCom 16-bit
Fast-Ethernet PC Card
for my Mandrake 7 eth0. I can play mp3 files resident on my Redhat 6.2
desktop very nicely
on my Manrake 7 IBM Thinkpad Dock2 speakers using NFS through the
Ethernet lines.
Now for the problem: I can do everything fine as Root on the Redhat 6.2
desktop as far
as getting on Netscape and surfing, retrieving email, etc.; however, as
a normal user I
can only surf the web in a KFM window; however, when trying to open
Netscape Communicator 7.2
as a normal user I get a "bus error" when done through a Unix shell
prompt.
Does anyone have any knowledge why in Redhat 6.2 Root can access
Netscape fine but a
normal user receives a "bus error?" I do not necessarily want to load
Mandrake 7.0 or
7.1 on my desktop to solve this problem.
I will appreciate any advise.
Best regards,
Terrio Echavez
--
Email sent from KDE desktop - Redhat Linux 6.2
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<html>
Hello,
<p>I have two Fast-Ethernet cards on my desktop: eth0 (Kingston tulip)
connected to Alcatel SpeedTouch ADSL modem and eth1 connected to Fast-Ethernet
hub going to my IBM Thinkpad. I have the eth1
<br>network working great between my Redhat 6.2 desktop and Mandrake 7.0
IBM Thinkpad using a
<br>SMC Fast-Ethernet NIC for my Redhat 6.2 eth1 and a AmbiCom 16-bit Fast-Ethernet
PC Card
<br>for my Mandrake 7 eth0. I can play mp3 files resident on my Redhat
6.2 desktop very nicely
<br>on my Manrake 7 IBM Thinkpad Dock2 speakers using NFS through the Ethernet
lines.
<p>Now for the problem: I can do everything fine as Root on the Redhat
6.2 desktop as far
<br>as getting on Netscape and surfing, retrieving email, etc.; however,
as a normal user I
<br>can only surf the web in a KFM window; however, when trying to open
Netscape Communicator 7.2
<br>as a normal user I get a "bus error" when done through a Unix shell
prompt.
<br>Does anyone have any knowledge why in Redhat 6.2 Root can access Netscape
fine but a
<br>normal user receives a "bus error?" I do not necessarily want
to load Mandrake 7.0 or
<br>7.1 on my desktop to solve this problem.
<p>I will appreciate any advise.
<p>Best regards,
<p>Terrio Echavez
<br>
<pre>--
Email sent from KDE desktop - Redhat Linux 6.2</pre>
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome vs KDE
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 02:07:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:35:06 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >
> >> > From: Matthew Matchura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > Should I spend time getting used to KDE or Gnome? I tried both
and
> >> > I
> >> > > can't say I developed definite preference. Which desktop most
> >> > people
> >> > > use? I've heard KDE is considered to be more promising (with
KDE2
> >> > to be
> >> > > released soon). How come Gnome is RedHat's default desktop?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > > Wroot
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >> > > Before you buy.
> >> >
> >> > Red Hat wanted to use entirely GNU based software. This includes
> >teh
> >> > underlying libs.
> >> >
> >> Yeah, so Red Hat can avoid any chance of having to pay
> >> forlisencing fees
> >> now or in the future, in case Troll Tech changes its mind
> >> about QT.
> >
> >If Troll Tech stops providing a free edition of Qt, then the last
such
> >thing will be released under a (no-publicity-requirement) BSD
> >license.
>
> So?
So what he says is simply impossible. Is that not important???
The rest of your post can be safely ignored by me, since I see
no connection to what you are replying to.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWare question
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:16:53 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Martin Skj�ldebrand,
>
> After you soundon OSS please firstly try
>
> cat /dev/sndstat
I suspect he meant:
cat /proc/sndstat
or perhaps:
cat /proc/asound/sndstat
--
My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
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From: Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GNU Autoconf+Automake vs. No linking (Just compile)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:23:49 -0400
Hi,
I am trying to write a simple autoconf and automake scripts just to compile a C
program to an object file (or the object module for Linux kernel) without
linking stage. Here is my configure.in and Makefile.am scripts:
configure.in:
AC_INIT(testing.c)
MODFLAGS="-D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DEXPORT_SYMTAB"
AC_SUBST(MODFLAGS)
AC_PROG_CC
AC_PROG_INSTALL
AC_HEADER_STDC
AC_CHECK_HEADERS(fcntl.h sys/ioctl.h)
AC_C_CONST
AC_C_INLINE
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(strerror)
AC_OUTPUT(Makefile)
Makefile.am:
bin_PROGRAMS = testing
testing_SOURCES = testing.c
testing_LDFLAGS = @MODFLAGS@
After running the aclocal, autoconf, and automake, I type "make" and the
process starts to compile the testing.c to testing.o. Then, the linker kicks
in to link the testing.o to a binary testing file. What I want is just to let
the automake compile the source to a Linux module object file.
Any idea on how to do it? TIA.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWare question
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:16:38 +0700
On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Duane wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Dear Martin Skj=F6ldebrand,
> >=20
> > After you soundon OSS please firstly try
> >=20
> > cat /dev/sndstat
>=20
> I suspect he meant:
> cat /proc/sndstat
> or perhaps:
> cat /proc/asound/sndstat
No. I do mean cat /dev/sndstat
NOT cat /proc/sndstat NOT cat /proc/asound/sndstat
Regards,
zxc
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From: Terrio Echavez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: kppp amd redhat
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 20:58:01 -0700
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Hello,
My workaround to this same problem on my desktop was to excute /usr/sbin/kppp
& from a unix shell prompt
which brought the 6.1 way of executing kppp.
Also you can use the 6.2 Redhat ppp dialer for a "normal user" to dial out.
Regards,
Terrio Echavez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all, I just installed RH6.2 update-2 on my machine (KDE option with GUI
> intallation) and the first thing I've noticed is thakppp can only be run by
> root.When I try to run kppp as a user it compalins that the server refuses
> to connect to 0:0 or something to that effect. As far as I can see there is
> no permissions problem kppp is 777.
> Does anyone know how to fix that?
>
> Thanks,
> -----
> Ramin Sina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.concentric.net/~rsina
> The state of education in this country would have been
> in much better shape had we emphasized less prayers in
> schools and taught more mathematics in churches and synagogues.
--
Email sent from KDE desktop - Redhat Linux 6.2
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Hello,
<p>My workaround to this same problem on my desktop was to excute /usr/sbin/kppp
& from a unix shell prompt
<br>which brought the 6.1 way of executing kppp.
<p>Also you can use the 6.2 Redhat ppp dialer for a "normal user" to dial
out.
<p>Regards,
<p>Terrio Echavez
<br>
<br>
<p>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi all, I just installed RH6.2 update-2 on my machine
(KDE option with GUI
<br>intallation) and the first thing I've noticed is thakppp can only be
run by
<br>root.When I try to run kppp as a user it compalins that the server
refuses
<br>to connect to 0:0 or something to that effect. As far as I can see
there is
<br>no permissions problem kppp is 777.
<br>Does anyone know how to fix that?
<p>Thanks,
<br>-----
<br>Ramin Sina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<br><a href="http://www.concentric.net/~rsina">http://www.concentric.net/~rsina</a>
<br>The state of education in this country would have been
<br>in much better shape had we emphasized less prayers in
<br>schools and taught more mathematics in churches and synagogues.</blockquote>
<pre>--
Email sent from KDE desktop - Redhat Linux 6.2</pre>
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Subject: Re: Linux Server Security
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Skj�ldebrand)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:57:23 GMT
"Scippie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
>
> I have a cable-connection to the internet and I installed a computer with
> Redhat Linux 6.2 to make that internet work on more computers. I also share
> some directories and I have a telnet & ftp server running.
> I don't work on that computer, it stands there, alone in a place where even
> I almost never come. So I don't use it to surf or anything, just a server...
>
> Now my question is... can anyone that has my IP number hack the machine ?
> (please don't prove it, you probably already know my IP number), and what
> can he mess up ?
Can it be hacked? Yes - definately. What he/she can do? Just about
anything from looking around to rm -rf *.
If you don't need telnet loose it immediately. Run ssh instead.
Or even better, if you need telnet loose it immediately. Run ssh
instead.
What you should do for starters is
1/ Run a hardening script on the server. D/l Bastille Linux and run
it.
2/ Install some tracking device - e.g. Tripwire.
3/ Keep up with security patches - e.g. do you run BIND? Get the latest patch.
> I never log in on the computer locally, just sometimes (for a couple of
> minutes to manage the shares) via a telnet session.
>
> Anyway, I've run Win2k server on that computer (P200MMX,64Mb) and it sucked
> ! 10 minutes to boot, 3 times a day reboot, ... . Now I run Redhat on that
> computer and guess what ?????
You run Win2K on a that? I'm not surprised it sucks.
NT server would suck. No NT/Win2K server should have less than 128M to
run. To do anything usefull on the other hand .... And a P200MMX?
A bit like reversing the Mindcraft fiasco ....
M.
--
Martin Skj�ldebrand
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sys admin, web designer, tech writer
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Subject: Re: Mail and Web server - Any Distributions more secure than others?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Skj�ldebrand)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:57:24 GMT
"Ashley Heath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Are any Linux distributions more secure than others or better suited for use
> and Web and Mail servers?
> So far I have looked at Suse and Redhat, but any recommendations welcome.
>From my database (soon coming to a web site near you ...)
These distributions market themselves as security concious
Bastille Linux - http://www.bastille-linux.org/
Immunix - http://www.immunix.org/
Kha0s - http://www.kha0s.org/
KRUD - http://www.tummy.com/krud/
nmrcOS - http://www.nmrc.org/nmrcOS/index.html
Trustix - http://www.trustix.com/
CAEN - http://www.engin.umich.edu/caen/systems/Linux/caenlinux/>
Alphanet - http://www.alphanet-linux.com/index2.htm
I use RH 6.1 + Bastille Linux myself.
M.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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