Linux-Misc Digest #101, Volume #25 Mon, 10 Jul 00 21:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: the "i hate it when that happens" dept. (Robert Heller)
Re: the "i hate it when that happens" dept. (John Hasler)
Re: PPP dialin with uugetty (Bill Unruh)
View console output while in X? ("Lloyd Llewelyn")
Free VOIP for Linux? (Jason Bond)
Re: uugetty respawning too fast (John Todd)
Re: Looking for the X Servers... (Scott Weber)
Re: Recommend backup method? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Question about ls ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
kdat restore problem (Mark)
Re: mounting a floppy and viewing it's contents - newbie (Dances With Crows)
Re: View console output while in X? (Dances With Crows)
dd command question (David Campbell)
Re: Web Browser (Brett Castleberry)
kdm and redhat 6.1 (Stephen Inkpen)
Re: uugetty respawning too fast (Clifford Kite)
Re: How to run Lview under Wine ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: REPOST: Shared RAID for mail/web server + load balancer? How do I do that?
(Ancipital)
Re: No Carrier - 3Com ISDN TA (Paul Martin)
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the "i hate it when that happens" dept.
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:48:46 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck),
In a message on Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:45:20 GMT, wrote :
BH> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:27:56 GMT, mindglow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BH>
BH> >He said: "if it downs then too bad, but you're not putting that untried,
BH> >untested linux configuration who no one else can administer but yourself
BH> >into production."
BH> >
BH> >And you know what? Even though i hated it when it happened, he's right.
BH>
BH> No, he isn't. You are discounting the possibility that someone else
BH> might be able to learn to admin your server. You aren't _that_ much
BH> smarter than everyone else...if you get my drift. You need to start
BH> training those curious individuals who ask about Linux so that the next
BH> time something like that comes up you can say "but boss, six other
BH> people know how to run it".
Right. And meantime, set up your Linux server as a *backup* CD-ROM
Tower server. *Next* time the windblows server crashes, swap in your
Linux server while you work on the windblows server. Do it
transparently. Then send your boss the timesheet for fixing the
windblows server. When he asks: "But the server was up the whole time!
It was not down! What is this?" You answer: "I swapped in the Linux
server while working on the windblows server..."
BH>
BH> --
BH> -| Bob Hauck
BH> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
BH> -| http://www.codem.com/
BH>
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the "i hate it when that happens" dept.
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:57:57 GMT
mindglow writes:
> And you know what? Even though i hated it when it happened, he's right.
Don't waste time hating it. Get to work on your proposal.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: PPP dialin with uugetty
Date: 10 Jul 2000 21:54:44 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Anurodh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I have Red Hat 6.2 installed in my 12MB RAM, 486 66Mhz. I am trying to
>configure a PPP dial in to my server through an external Hayes 33.6 modem
>on com 2 with uugetty. I have checked my modem and it will dial out in dos
Bad idea. Use mgetty, not uugetty. Everyone (including I believe the
author of uugetty) advises the use of mgetty for answering modems.
>Id S1 respawining too fast. Disabled for 5 minutes
This means that there is something wrong with the command in
/etc/inittab starting with
S1:
Try running the command on the command line exactly as entered in the
inittab file.
(But more particularly, use mgetty instead)
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From: "Lloyd Llewelyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: View console output while in X?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:02:18 GMT
How can I see the output to the console while in X, without logging out of X?
Thanks
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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Free VOIP for Linux?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:41:25 -0700
Does anyone out there know if there is a free PC to phone VOIP
which runs under linux? All of the damn things seem to require
sucky windoze. Thanks,
Jason
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Todd)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: uugetty respawning too fast
Date: 10 Jul 2000 21:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Possibly, you need a term in your uugetty line in inittab
such as -t60 (or 30, or 10), how often respawn occurs.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:55:56 +0530, Anurodh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have Red Hat 6.2 installed in my 12MB RAM, 486 66Mhz. I am trying to
>configure a PPP dial in to my server through an external Hayes 33.6 modem
>on com 2 with uugetty. I have checked my modem and it will dial out in dos
>if i run
>echo at dt 123456 >com2
>When i reboot or type init q, I keep on getting an error saying:
>
>Id S1 respawining too fast. Disabled for 5 minutes
>
>This repeats every 5 min and the modem dial in does not work.
>Can someone tell me what i should do to get rid of this error
>I made the following modifications to my files in /etc/ppp
>
>options:
>lock
>netmask 255.255.255.0
>proxyarp
>ms-dns 192.168.111.10
>
>ttyS1:
>192.168.111.10:192.168.111.55
>
>pap.secrets:
>* jughead.my domain name"" *
>
>in /etc , i added the following line to inittab:
>S1:2345:respawn:/sbin/uugetty -D /etc/conf.uugety.ttyS1 ttyS1 f38400
>
>and made a file in /etc named conf.uugetty.ttyS1 with the following
>contents:
>
># sample uugetty configuration file for a Hayes compatible modem to allow
># incoming modem connections
>#
># alternate lock file to check... if this lock file exists, then uugetty is
># restarted so that the modem is re-initialized
>ALTLOCK=cua3
>ALTLINE=cua3
># line to initialize
>INITLINE=cua3
># timeout to disconnect if idle...
>TIMEOUT=60
># modem initialization string...
># format: <expect> <send> ... (chat sequence)
>INIT="" AT\r OK\r\n
>WAITFOR=RING
>CONNECT="" ATA\r CONNECT\s\A
># this line sets the time to delay before sending the login banner
>DELAY=1
>#DEBUG=010
>
>Thanks
>-Anurodh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
_____________________
The lap of Linuxury
|<de in RH6
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From: Scott Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Looking for the X Servers...
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:53:11 GMT
I suspected as much.
That's why I just spent the day downloading Slackware 7.1.
(whine: But I spent Soooooo much time getting me box ready
to be a firewall. I hate to start over...)
-Scotty
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jianxin Xiong wrote:
>
> goto "http://www.slackware.com/packages/index.php3?version=7.0&series=a" and
> get the package "glibcso.tgz".
>
> However, it might still be not enough. I suggest you upgrade to slackware
> 7.0 or 7.1, including X system.
>
> -J.X.
>
> Scott Weber wrote:
>
> > Seems logical...
> >
> > Where can I get the glibc2.1 files? I'd rather upgrade.
> >
> > The older servers don't recognise my VGA card, and go into
> > 320X200 mode (ugh!).
> >
> > This still doesn't explain why the three files of source code
> > (45meg+!!) have not actually built a new XF86_... server. Anywhere.
> > (remember, the older one has the old date on it, circa 1998)
> >
> > -Scotty
> >
> > Jianxin Xiong wrote:
> > >
> > > It seems that youve already got the X server, so no need to build one.
> > > The reason why you got "no such file or directory" is not the server
> > > binary didn't exist, but the required libaries could not be found. You
> > > need the glibc2.1 libraries, which are not included in Slackware 3.5.
> > > You'll have to install these libraries or stick with the X servers from
> > > Slackware 3.5 (at least XF86_VGA16 should work).
> > >
> > > Scott Weber wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm tring to get XWindow working, but I've run into
> > > > some problems. I've all ready searched the archives, so
> > > > I'm getting desperate enough to post my question.
> > > >
> > > > Slackware 3.5, gcc 2.90... I've never ran
> > > > XWindows on it. I've haven't ran it since the
> > > > 1.2.17 kernel! (Yea, it's old. It's just a
> > > > file server/ firewall/ web server, test box...)
> > > >
> > > > The original install didn't recognise my AGP card,
> > > > so I downloaded the new source, and re-built
> > > > everything.
> > > >
> > > > Except, after doing the make install, my XF86_SVGA
> > > > file had the same old date on it, as did SuperProbe,
> > > > and a bunch of others. I can't figure out why only
> > > > some of the 'x...' files were installed.
> > > >
> > > > I downloaded the newer lib 2.1 and lib 2.0 binaries
> > > > XF86_SVGA and XF86_S3, and tried to run either of them,
> > > > but it says "no such file or directory" now
> > > > (yea, I backed up the old ones). I assume
> > > > they are not compatible. Yea, they were from the
> > > > linux x86 dir on the Xfree site.
> > > >
> > > > I did find a newer SuperProbe burried in the
> > > > source tree, and copied it to the XR11 location,
> > > > and it properly detected my video card.
> > > >
> > > > So where can I find/build the XF86_S3 server?
> > > > How come the make file didn't appear to build ANY
> > > > servers?
> > > >
> > > > Please! Any assistance would be appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > --
> > > O - O
> > > (`Q`)
> > > '
>
> --
> O - O
> (`Q`)
> '
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recommend backup method?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:23:39 -0500
Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leonard Evens wrote:
>
> >2. Backup your user files.
>
> Definitely.
>
> >tar with the z option for compression should simplify that. If
> >you can't fit the tar file on a single zip disk then divide up
> >your user directories so that you can do it on several zipdisks
> >separately.
>
> No need. Tar will use multiple disks if you specify the M
> "multi-volume" option.
I think the last time I tried this with my zip drive, it didn't
work.
>
> Or you can use dump/restore. It will also read/write
> multi-volume backup sets. It works best on entire paritions. If
> you just want to do individual sets of files, tar is probably
> the better choice, but if you want to do entire filesystems,
> dump/restore is a good choice.
>
> Some distro's don't install dump/restore by default, but I
> think they all include it as an option.
>
> --
> Grant Edwards grante Yow! Yow! I'm out of
> at work...I could go into
> visi.com shock absorbers...or SCUBA
> GEAR!!
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question about ls
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:12:59 -0500
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
[] On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:25:21 -0500, Andrew N. McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[] >On 8 Jul 2000, Andrew Onifer quoth:
[] >
[] >[] On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:41:27 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[] >[] >Tandem Guy wrote:
[] >[] >> Hello. I'm a pretty new linux user and I'm having trouble using the
[] >[] >> command ls. I would like to search the current directory (or some
[] >[] >> arbitrary directory for that matter) and ALL subdirectories located
[] >[] >> under it for the existence of a given file, but I can't make that
[] >[] >> happen.
[] >[] >Use the "find" command. Do "man find" to learn about it.
[] >[] >The command you want would be something like this:
[] >[] > find . -name *.zip
[] >[]
[] >[] Correction: It should be
[] >[] find . -name "*.zip"
[] >[]
[] >[] Without the quotes, the asterisk will get passed to the shell.
[] >
[] >Correction: no it won't. ( depending on your shell )
[] >
[] >[anm@hawk ~] find . -name *.txt
[] >./docs/ac_dns.txt
[] >./ac_dns.txt
[] >
[] >Works just fine in tcsh anyway.
[] >
[]
[] That is because ac_dns was in the current directory. *.txt
[] got expanded to include all the .txt files in the current directory
[] and then a search was down in all subdirectories for those same files.
[]
[] If ac_dns.txt didn't exist in . then it wouldn't have been found in the
[] docs directory.
Right, see my last post.
anm
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From: Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat.misc,comp.windows.x.kde
Subject: kdat restore problem
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:20:09 GMT
Anyone have problems with recreating tape indexes with kdat? I am
trying to recreate an index for a 4 gig TR-4 tape (using a scsi tape
drive on /dev/st0). It seems to recreates the index, but the console
is full of "QGList::Locate:IndexXXX out of range" errors. All of the
files seem to be listed in the recreated index, but when I go to
restore a file with kdat, it just spins for a minute and then the
restore log pops up without restoring any files.
If no one has seen this, can someone tell me how to just mount the
tape, skip the first record (since it is used by kdat) and restore
using tar?
Thanks in advance!!
Mark
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: mounting a floppy and viewing it's contents - newbie
Date: 10 Jul 2000 19:31:25 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 Jul 2000 20:41:51 GMT, J Bland
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
shouted forth into the ether:
>>With SuSE Linux, I discovered that /dev/fd0 was not pointing to
>>anything particularly useful. I had to replace it with a symbolic
>>link to something like (I'm not at my Linux computer) /dev/fd01440.
>
>Odd, every SuSE I've tried since 6.0 has at least got the floppy devices set
>up ok.
/dev/fd0 is the "autodetecting" floppy device. Ideally, when you mount
/dev/fd0, the floppy driver determines whether the floppy is formatted
360K, 720K, 1440K, 1722K, or whatever, and then accesses the proper
device. In practice, it doesn't work all that well for 1722K
floppies. "man setfdprm" for more details.
And if no one has mentioned the mtools, someone should... mdir, mcopy,
mdel, etc. all give access to DOS floppies with no need to mount/umount
things.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: View console output while in X?
Date: 10 Jul 2000 19:48:26 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:02:18 GMT, Lloyd Llewelyn
<<KJra5.11$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>
>How can I see the output to the console while in X, without logging out of X?
dmesg or xconsole? Or Ctrl-Alt-F10? xconsole must be started as root to
work properly, as it reads /dev/console. If you wish to see the messages
an X program generates as it's running, fire up an xterm and start the X
program with "programname &" from within the xterm.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: David Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.unix.questions
Subject: dd command question
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:18:15 GMT
Hi,
I'm finding that when reading from a socket, the linux
[Redhat 6] dd command sometimes attempts to write data to
the tape device that is not a multiple of the tape block size
specified using bs=. Its happening mid-stream [not at
the end of the stream where you might think that a write
request of less than the block size might happen].
I haven't used the dd sync option because I don't want 0 padding
mid-stream.
Looks like somebody else had something similar reading from
a named pipe: http://plug.skylab.org/199910/msg00592.html
The tape block size is set to 512 bytes, as reported by
mt -f /dev/st0 status. Is that a correct setting?
For instance:
tar -c --exclude=work --use-compress-program=gzip -v -f - . | rsh daves "dd bs=512
of=/dev/st0"
I get spurious messages to this effect:
daves kernel: st0: Write not multiple of tape block size
Now if I put this program into the picture, to re-block the
input to 512 bytes [yes it is over-simplistic]:
#include <stdio.h>
main()
{
char block[512];
for(;;) {
if(fread(block, sizeof(block), 1, stdin) != 1)
{
fprintf(stderr, "fread failed\n");
exit(1);
}
if(fwrite(block, sizeof(block), 1, stdout) != 1) {
fprintf(stderr, "fwrite failed\n");
exit(1);
}
}
}
Using the following command:
tar -c --exclude=work --use-compress-program=gzip -v -f - . | rsh daves "~/blocks
| dd bs=512 of=/dev/st0"
Then the problem seems to go away.
Am I using dd wrongly, or is this some sort of problem?
--
Regards,
-- Dave Campbell
PHONE AUS 07 3216 6015
PHONE INTL +61 7 3216 6015
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From: Brett Castleberry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web Browser
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:11:01 -0400
Dowe Keller wrote:
> eliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Does enayone know where I can get a GOOD web browser for Linux?
> > As much as I dislike Windows, Internet Explorer was the best web browser
> > around.. I don't like Netscape. I've tried several others, and I've had no
> > success in getting Mosaic to run at all..
> > If anyone has any links to GOOD web browsers for Linux I'd appreciate them.
> > fyi - I'm running Redhat 6.2 (2.2.14 kernel) and X, KDE
> > -ej
> I use Netscrape when I must see images, and Lynx at all other times.
>
> BTW: Lynx is an extremely nice little web browser that doesn't crash or
> eat honking great loads of RAM. If you needn't see images (most are just
> annoying adverts anyway) I'd suggest you use Lynx.
There's also Links, much like Lynx, but it supports tables and frames.
Get it at http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links
BC
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From: Stephen Inkpen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kdm and redhat 6.1
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:02:22 -0230
I need to get rid of the redhat logo in the top left corner of the X kdm logon
screen. How would I go about doing this?
please cc any responses to the mailing address..... thank you
Stephen Inkpen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Clifford Kite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: uugetty respawning too fast
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:14:59 -0500
Anurodh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in /etc , i added the following line to inittab:
> S1:2345:respawn:/sbin/uugetty -D /etc/conf.uugety.ttyS1 ttyS1 f38400
Something on this inittab line is wrong.
--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com> Not a guru. (tm)
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to run Lview under Wine
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:52:02 GMT
Karl Garrison wrote:
[...]
> Do you really need to run Lview though? There's a number of fine image
> apps for Linux; you probably already have xv installed. If xv doesn't
> do everything you need, then I'm sure the Gimp will fill in the gaps.
>
> -Karl
In my experience Lview is much better then xv or gimp.
Anyway, I never saw a Linux graphic program that uses
"thumbnails" (very small pictures created from original
pictures, that let us to see to all pictures in one shot).
Zalek
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ancipital)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: REPOST: Shared RAID for mail/web server + load balancer? How do I do that?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:22:10 GMT
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:00:12 -0500, "Doug Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Bert;
>
>You need assistance. Linux is not a clustering solution. A RAID 5
>controller manages a set of 3 disks or more, not 2 servers. I'd suggest
>finding a local reputable network consulting service.
Not 100% true, you can use load balancing/cluster systems with linux,
especially for web servers- have a look on freshmeat, you'll find
loads.
Also, for MXed mail servers, you can use round-robin DNS etc, and of
course, you can build clustered mailservers too, through the magic of
network filesystems etc.
Of course, you're right, a RAID card isn't for clustering, however-
important to nail down conceptual problems before people make
expensive slip-ups!
Ancipital- Inedible Buddhas reality control #1
http://www.buddhas.org is currently tqt- back soon.
To unmung email addr, get rid of "nospam-" and maybe even "-thanks"
"I'm not crying victim, but I am stating that a lot of spammers
are genuine scumbags." -Sanford Wallace
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Martin)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No Carrier - 3Com ISDN TA
Date: 11 Jul 2000 01:09:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JoeB wrote:
>How do you do that?
>What are the AT commands for tha?
>Paul Martin wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> JoeB wrote:
>>
>> >I am using 3COM ISDN Terminal Adaptor (TA), with RH 6.2. I can
>> >communicate with the TA but for some reason I am unable to dial out. I
>> >get an error in /var/log/messages saying "No Carrier". What could
>> >possible be wrong? I can receive calls on the TA and in Windoze I can
>> >make calls. Am I missing something? Any help or pointers will be
>> >appreciated.
>>
>> Just a thought: you may need to tell your card (using AT commands) that
>> you're talking to an ESTI (NET5, EuroISDN) type of exchange, and that
>> you're wanting to call out with a particular protocol type (eg. X.75).
>>
>> NO CARRIER often means that the other end has rejected your call due to
>> some incompatibility.
1) Quote the right way round.
2) RTFM. You did get a FM[1] with the TA card, didn't you?
[1] Nothing to do with Dr. Ruth, sadly.
--
Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
at home, swap dash to dot to email.
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