Linux-Misc Digest #101, Volume #27 Tue, 13 Feb 01 14:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001 (mc)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (mc)
Re: netcrap locks me up (Stephen Rank)
Corel Linux install Probs ("Dj fire")
Extracting files from rpms (Dag)
Re: Switching off... (Chris Webster)
Re: Compiling a Kernel... (Dedicated to all Manson Fans)
Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001 (Dedicated to all Manson Fans)
Re: Compiling a Kernel... (Dedicated to all Manson Fans)
Re: 2.2.17 kernel and usb ("Jeff Susanj")
Re: /usr/src/linux??? (Christopher Keller)
info in Xemacs broken after upgrade (Stephen Cornell)
Re: O'Reilly: SSH book published (Daniel Barrett)
Re: Linux Sucks... well not really (John Hasler)
Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001 (John Hasler)
jabber CPU load? (Drew Krause)
Re: Linux Sucks... well not really ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: BIND vs MS DNS ("japhilp")
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From: mc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:14:46 -0500
Harlan Grove wrote:
> =
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Harlan Grove wrote:
> >>
> >>I can't wait until Microsoft starts charging by the CPU instruction.
> >
> >Intel will want, and be entitled to, a _big_ cut of that excise.
> =
> In which case who pays AMD? More lawsuits?! Oh boy!!
Microsoft will probably make a deal with Intel and make a future release
of windows incompatable with AMD processors. That would fit their
operating agenda.
-- =
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/ _/ / __/ Martyrs Cannot be Silenced.
/_/ /_/____/ Bill Riker
_____________________________________________________________________
=86 Happy Valentines Day =A4 *+*+*+*+*+ Think Friendship +*+*+*+*+*=
<<==-- Drain the WATER from my email to reply --==>>
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From: mc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:19:10 -0500
filthy-mcnasty wrote:
> =
> Wonderful. I think Billion Dollar Bill may finally have shot himself in=
> both feet
Now if only he'd shoot the company while he's got the gun.
> =
> Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> =
> >G'day
> >
> >I've been following developments closely on this.
> >
> >It appears that sometime this year all new Microsot software will need=
> >to be registered....or it will cease to function.
> >
> >This may offer OS alternatives like Linux a huge toe in the desktop
> >door.
> =
-- =
__ ___ ____
/ _/ / __/ Martyrs Cannot be Silenced.
/_/ /_/____/ Bill Riker
_____________________________________________________________________
=86 Happy Valentines Day =A4 *+*+*+*+*+ Think Friendship +*+*+*+*+*=
<<==-- Drain the WATER from my email to reply --==>>
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From: Stephen Rank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netcrap locks me up
Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:27:18 +0000
The Real Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> alias killnet='rm -f /root/.netscape/lock;killall -9 netscape'
Implying that you're running Netscrape as root...
Erk!
Hint: don't!
Stephen
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From: "Dj fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Corel Linux install Probs
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:36:24 -0000
Hi,
I succesfully installed Corel Linux on my system and on my m8's system
Only problem is on my system i get to the login prompt and the screen
flickers and eventually locks up, i have a strange feeling this maybe my
g/Card (geforce ddr) causing this.
Is anyone able to help on this?
Thanks in advance
--
Recieved from DJ Fire
Digi-Radio
The Internets No 1 Music Station
http://www.digi-radio.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag)
Subject: Extracting files from rpms
Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:29:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anybody know of a way to just extract individual files from rpm's?
I want to look at some of the files, but I don't want to install the rpm
to do it.
Dag
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From: Chris Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Switching off...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:41:12 -0700
> > Hi. I use RH 7.0. When I want to switch off my PC if I use shutdown or
> > halt the system stops but doesn't switch off. While if I use 'Halt
> > System' at login time (runlevel 5) the PC really switches off. Does
> > anybody know why?
>
> tried 'poweroff' ?
Yup, tried poweroff, halt -p, /etc/init.d/halt after modifying that.
Six different computers same problem. How they hell did they botch this
up?
--Chris
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:44:33 +0100
From: Dedicated to all Manson Fans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Compiling a Kernel...
"Nils O. Sel�sdal" schrieb:
> "Dedicated to all Manson Fans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > After two packages of cigarettes, many bottles of beer and no progress I
> > have to to scream for help. I try to compile a new Kernel (2.4.1) and
> > there seems to be no way to get it to an acceptable size. The biggest I
> > got was about 2.2 MB the smallest about 1.4 MB
> > I need Samba, vfat (for Fat32), TCP/IP, PPP, a running X-Server,
> > loopback-devices and my CS4232 ISA-PNP-Sound card (with OPL3 I think).
> > I've no SCSI, all drives are IDE/ATAPIs. There's also a
> > standard-no-name-isa-modem (non-PNP) and a QIC-80 Tape drive I want to
> > use (The modem is a must). The rest is as usual (Floppy, ...)
> > I'd like to have the matrox acceleration for my mystique, the support
> > of the Pentium/MMX and Fat16 support. This should be all now.
> > I'll attach my .config so you probably can tell me what's wrong.
> > If you have a .config, please send it to me.
> and to compile you did the 'make bzImage' to create the kernel?
I did it by the command 'make bzlilo'. This causes lilo to refuse the kernel
registartion because of the size. I already compiled modules as much as
possible (as far I know). I' ve no idea to build a smaller kernel for my
system and the things I do with it. Can anyone tell me which part uses the
most memory. There are about 400 kB too much...
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:50:07 +0100
From: Dedicated to all Manson Fans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001
mc schrieb:
> Harlan Grove wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Harlan Grove wrote:
> > >>
> > >>I can't wait until Microsoft starts charging by the CPU instruction.
> > >
> > >Intel will want, and be entitled to, a _big_ cut of that excise.
> >
> > In which case who pays AMD? More lawsuits?! Oh boy!!
>
> Microsoft will probably make a deal with Intel and make a future release
> of windows incompatable with AMD processors. That would fit their
> operating agenda.
>
> --
> __ ___ ____
> / _/ / __/ Martyrs Cannot be Silenced.
> /_/ /_/____/ Bill Riker
> _____________________________________________________________________
> ? Happy Valentines Day � *+*+*+*+*+ Think Friendship +*+*+*+*+*
>
> <<==-- Drain the WATER from my email to reply --==>>
Then I change from Intel to AMD. I've no time to get punished by any
allures of any manufacturer which cause incompatibilities. A second reason
for a change could be, that the P4 seems to be not as fast as hoped. I
think Intel goes suicide by this politics.
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:54:49 +0100
From: Dedicated to all Manson Fans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling a Kernel...
"Nils O. Sel�sdal" schrieb:
> "Dedicated to all Manson Fans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > After two packages of cigarettes, many bottles of beer and no progress I
> > have to to scream for help. I try to compile a new Kernel (2.4.1) and
> > there seems to be no way to get it to an acceptable size. The biggest I
> > got was about 2.2 MB the smallest about 1.4 MB
> > I need Samba, vfat (for Fat32), TCP/IP, PPP, a running X-Server,
> > loopback-devices and my CS4232 ISA-PNP-Sound card (with OPL3 I think).
> > I've no SCSI, all drives are IDE/ATAPIs. There's also a
> > standard-no-name-isa-modem (non-PNP) and a QIC-80 Tape drive I want to
> > use (The modem is a must). The rest is as usual (Floppy, ...)
> > I'd like to have the matrox acceleration for my mystique, the support
> > of the Pentium/MMX and Fat16 support. This should be all now.
> > I'll attach my .config so you probably can tell me what's wrong.
> > If you have a .config, please send it to me.
> and to compile you did the 'make bzImage' to create the kernel?
I did it by the command 'make bzlilo'. This causes lilo to refuse the
kernel
registartion because of the size. I already compiled modules as much as
possible (as far I know). I' ve no idea to build a smaller kernel for
my
system and the things I do with it. Can anyone tell me which part uses
the
most memory. There are about 400 kB too much...
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From: "Jeff Susanj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.17 kernel and usb
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:33:21 GMT
kernel-2.2.17-14 is the latest kernal for the RedHat 7 distro that replaces
kernel-2.2.16-22 that was found to have a few security holes. The RedHat
ftp site (ftp.redhat.com) would have what you need but I am not sure what
rpm it is in. Maybe someone else knows.
Jeff S.
"Alan Needleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a RH 6.x system and I'd like to add USB support. I found the
> kernel-2.2.17-14 rpm on rpmfind and that seems to work even though on
> installation it complains about a missing cpia_usb.o module. However,
> there is no kernel-header rpm which is needed for VMware to be installed
> on the new kernel. I'd appreciate it if someone could point me to where
> I can find an appropriate header rpm (and also the missing module) and
> to any HOWTO on using USB ZIP drives.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> Alan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Keller)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: /usr/src/linux???
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:07:13 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:35:17 -0600, Richard Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Outside of what everyone else has suggested the only thing I'd add would be
>install the old kernel souce and take a look at the old Makefile using
>Xconfig. That way you'll have a good ideal of what you want in the kernel
>and what you don't. That is unless you've got an ideal already. (I'm making
>an assumption that you haven't upgraded a kernel before. :)
I'm catching the end of this thread, so apologies if this has already
been solved.
When you unpack the new kernel into /usr/src, you'll get something like the
following (this is mine from my laptop):
<ferrari> ckeller $ ls -l /usr/src
total 16
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 25 2000 linux -> linux-2.2.16/
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Jun 25 2000 linux-2.2.14/
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 Feb 8 09:32 linux-2.2.16/
drwxrwxr-x 4 13246 ckeller 4096 Oct 2 20:58 pptp-linux-1.0.2/
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Jul 22 2000 redhat/
Just run "ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.2.16 /usr/src/linux" or whatever kernel
you want to run. Each time you upgrade to a new kernel, just change the link.
Many programs just assume you have /usr/src/linux pointing to your current
kernel code.
--Chris
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: info in Xemacs broken after upgrade
Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:14:21 +0000
I recently upgraded my xemacs installation, in accordance with the
security advisery about Gnuserv. I used the RPM for Red Hat 6.2, from
an FTP mirror site. Unfortunately, the built in info browser now
seems to be broken. When I try to access it (either from menus or
from C-h i) I get the error message
(info/warning) directory `/usr/share/info/' error: (file-error Opening
directory No such file or directory /usr/share/info/)
All my info files live in /usr/info. Using the
Help->Basics-Installation menu, I get the list of configuration
options under which Xemacs was compiled, which includes
--infodir=/usr/info . Moreover, my .xemacs file contains no
references to info; neither do I have any suspicious environment
variables. Under these circumstances, I have absolutely no clue why
xemacs can't find the info. Anyone know?
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: Re: O'Reilly: SSH book published
Date: 13 Feb 2001 12:46:48 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Please don't spam Usenet with commercial announcements of new book
>publications.
I can understand your concern. I posted the announcement here in
c.o.l.misc because people have been asking SSH questions here that are
covered in the book. Some recent threads were:
Backing up to a remote machine using ssh
CVS access from behind firewall ???
imap and ssh
Scripting SSH
ssh problems
ssh rsa fails?
ssh, scp and batch mode
sshd authorized_keys
starting ssh-agent as parent of X session for SSH
...
I thought the announcement would be helpful. Apologies for missing the
boat on comp.os.linux.announce.
Dan
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks... well not really
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:45:51 GMT
Peter writes:
> What is all this about speed? A browser doesn't take time!
Well, when you are incautious enough to turn on JavaScript and then forget
to turn it off, and Netscape eats all of 384MB of RAM and chews 200MB into
swap, it takes time.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:52:16 GMT
Bill Riker writes:
> Microsoft will probably make a deal with Intel and make a future release
> of windows incompatable with AMD processors. That would fit their
> operating agenda.
That would place them utterly at the mercy of Intel.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Drew Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: jabber CPU load?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:22:44 -0800
This may seem like an odd question, but here goes: we'd like to use
Jabber for client support and wanted to get a feel for the load on the
server. In short, given a small number of simultaneous open transactions
at any given time (20 tops), would it be possible to run the Jabber
server from a shell account on a linux box? Also, are root privileges
necessary for install etc?
All advice welcome!
Thanks,
Drew Krause
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks... well not really
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:18:03 +0100
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter writes:
>> What is all this about speed? A browser doesn't take time!
> Well, when you are incautious enough to turn on JavaScript and then forget
> to turn it off, and Netscape eats all of 384MB of RAM and chews 200MB into
> swap, it takes time.
Yes, that would take time normally. Maybe my 512MB, dual processors, and
udma disks help. Mind you, I've not seen netscape chew ram like that. It
has gone into an internal loop, requiring a kill -9, but nothing more.
Peter
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From: "japhilp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BIND vs MS DNS
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:38:06 GMT
i've never really compared notes on DNS servers, since to me they just seem
to work . Here's my $0.02 on this subject.
On a linux machine, the per process overhead is very low, as compared to
win32 ( note that microsoft reccomends using several threads instead of
several processes ).
The graphical user interface is not "tightly" integrated into the operating
system, hence by not starting X, one can free up massive amounts of memory
that can be put to better use on a server : disk cache, buffers, etc.
Microsoft code seems to absolutely like the idea of " binary data formats "
, hence the support for "object serialization" and the like , that dump a
half- meg Word file when all you had was a page of text taking about
1KBytes. Compare this with loading a text document using html formatting.
The MS DNS server may be using some such structures that seem easy for
programming, but tend to require more powerfull hardware .
The target platforms of both systems are different. Linux was meant to run
on quite slow hardware comparatively, hence the developers had to make every
clock cycle count. Try coding an MS application and that approach is usually
regarded as "obsolete" . Who cares if the table look up takes 5 or 45 clock
cycles on a processor that's running at 500 Megahertz ??
One other thing:
Here I am using a 700 mhz amd processor with 256 MB or ram .win2k tells me
that just over 100 mb of memory is being used, and the rest are free.
When I boot into linux, it always tells me that it's using the whole of the
available memory . About 40 megs is the OS( 1 meg kernel and some modules )
+ X ( using Gnome) + Applications ( kmail, pan, netscape, gedit, terminal
widndow that runs jdk ) .Tthe rest are disk caches and read/write buffers.
If I run a DNS server , chances are that the first time the DNS records
file is read, it is placed in the disk cache . The next hit onwards, the
system provides the copy that is in memory , and does not hit the hard disk.
If you want to , have a look at apache , which , if I recall correctly,
seemed to hold its own or outperform an IIS/win2k combo during a test
sometime last year.
hth.
"Leigh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KAQh6.36$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am investigating replacing MS DNS at a customer's site with BIND on
Redhat
> and have discovered a benefit that I wasn't realliy expecting - that is
the
> BIND box massively outperforms the MS DNS on DNS lookups.
>
> Without the obvious MS slagging, does anyone have any hard evidence to
> explain and prove that this is the case. The customer is open to
suggestions
> about changing OS but I need to back this up with solid evidence.
>
> Thanks
>
> Leigh
>
>
>
>
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